AVS Forum Archive 2 - MainLobby Version 2.0

mcascio

10-02-03, 02:14 PM

Hi gtrogue,

MainLobby 2.30b is now available.
Just login and redownload. I would recommend just installing it into a separate folder like CINEMAR TEMP, then drag "mainlobby.exe" into your original Cinemar folder and overwrite the old one. This is the only file that has changed.

Features:
> Support for user definable buttons in DVDLobby Pro 2 (Enlarge your buttons for touch screens)
> Fixed an MLServer Connection issue that was preventing the Client ID from appearing in MLServer

Details on customizing DVDLobby Pro 2:
You can modify the background skin that appears behind the interface panels of DVDLobby. Move your mouse to the top of the screen and from the MainLobby menu bar, select OPTIONS. Press the BROWSE button next to Background Skin and look in your Skins folder for one you prefer.

You also can customize DVDLobby Pro 2 with your own buttons or buttons from the MainLobby graphics Library (Requires MainLobby 2.30b or higher). To hide the current buttons in DVDLobby Pro 2, select the MENU button in DVDLobby Pro and check the Hide Buttons checkbox. Then press the "X" in the upper right corner of the panel. To add buttons, press the ADD button in the MainLobby menu bar. Then select EDIT and the button you've just added to the Stage.

In the text field labeled MLcmd type DVDLobby. All variables are case-sensitive. Then in the var field below type the DVDLobby command you'd like assocated with that particular button. Below is a complete list of commands available:

Var Command Description
DLthumbnail: PageUp Page up through thumbnails.
DLthumbnail: PageDown Page down through thumbnails.
DLoverviewPageUp: Scroll overview text up.
DLoverviewPageDown: Scroll overview text down.
DLnextMovie: View next movie.
DLprevMovie: View previous movie.
DLplayMovie: Play currently selected movie.
DLoverviewMode: Switch to Overview mode.
DLthumbnailMode: Switch to Thumbnail mode.
DLgenreMode: Switch to Genre mode.
DLmenu: Toggle the Menu Panel.
DLautoplay: Toggle Autoplay of DVD Slideshow.
DLsearch: Open Search Panel.
DLtransportControls: Toggle Transport Control Remote Popup.

In the event you press the Hide Buttons checkbox and want to return to the default buttons used in DVDLobby, you may edit the dvdlobby.ini file with Notepad. Change the variable hideButtons=true to hideButtons=false. Then restart MainLobby/DVDLobby. Your default buttons should now be restored.

smoothtlk

10-02-03, 10:15 PM

As an FYI, for the Client name to show up in MLServer with the new 2.30b MainLobby, you also need to make sure you are using the latest MLServer. This one can be identified as the first version with the registration choices under Setup tab.

mcascio

10-06-03, 05:41 AM

Hi Folks,

We've been busy working on quite a few things.

Take a peek at our nearly complete TV Logo graphics library for MainLobby.

This new graphics library contains over 160+ TV Station logos that you can place into your own pages. Drag and drop them anywhere - then assign a command to the button. Great for setting up station favorites. These will be really nice for higher numbered (3 digit stations). Jump to a channel by pressing one button instead of 3 by creating a macro behind the button.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/librarytvlogosus.jpg

Here's a snapshot of the images at full size:

http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/files/samplescreenshot.jpg

mcascio

10-06-03, 05:43 AM

And if that wasn't enough...we're putting the finishing touches on weatherLobby for a release in the next few days. Using weatherLobby, you can easily designate and switch between up to 8 zip codes, switch between 13 different weather maps, and view details for each day of the 10-day forecast. Current conditions are graphically presented for quick glimpses.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/weatherlobby/weatherlobby_main.gif

http://www.cinemaronline.com/weatherlobby/weatherlobby_daydetail.gif

Further information will be available soon.

Funboy

10-06-03, 08:45 PM

Hey Mario.

WeatherLobby looks great. Sign me up...that's IF your weatherlobby is North America friendly.

Are you grabbing weather data from www.weather.com. If so, then there should be no problem getting Canada weather.

mcascio

10-06-03, 09:06 PM

Funboy,

You won't have any problem gathering data for Canada. Dan's been working on making it Globally friendly. :)

WeatherLobby will certainly get your wives really excited and probably be the most used app by them and you. With their buy-in and excitement, you can go out and spend another few hundred dollars on the next toy or even Airpanel. :) "Sure Dear, you can walk around the house control music, movies and check the weather from anywhere." She's gotta love it. :)

I recently connected a computer to our kitchen TV/Monitor and my wife loves it!

mcascio

10-06-03, 09:22 PM

OK everyone,

After many a sleepless night...our first GuiGraphix Library is now available entitled: Network Logos (U.S.)

It contains over 160+ network logos all on matching buttons with rollover/press state perfect for touch screens. You can add a caption below each button and the library also includes some bonus blank buttons so you can label them yourself or create category style buttons.

You'll also receive a free background skin and sample screen layout like the one pictured below. Just replace the icons with the ones you prefer and you are up and running in minutes.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/640x480_networklogos.jpg

For more details and a complete listing of all the network logos included in this library, visit:
http://www.cinemaronline.com/guigraphix.networklogosus.html

KidSquid

10-06-03, 09:46 PM

Mario -

I'm a huge fan of your products and love everything that they can do....

BUT....

80.00 bucks for the logos....that feels a little steep.

I know it took time to assemble and prep all of the logos...but don't you find it a bit odd that the logos cost more than lobby software itself?

I would think 20.00 or so would be more realistic price.

Please don't consider this an attack...just an observation.

Squid

mcascio

10-06-03, 10:12 PM

Hi Squid,

No problem and you have a valid observation that I knew people would make.

But when you do the math, add up the number of potential customers, subtract non-U.S. users who wouldn't buy it, subtract out the users who are not using ML anymore for some reason or another (crazy people), subtract out users who aren't using MainLobby for any type of TV control, subtract out the number of users who aren't even remotely interested and see what you're left with...not too many potential buyers.

Then figure in the time it takes to create the library, market, sell, prepare, cc fees, etc. then the fact that I'll need to redo the entire library prior to ML3 due to significant code changes...believe me it's a lot of work. :)

I don't think it's fair, although I knew people would, to base the price of the graphics library on the price of MainLobby. That price is calulated in a totally different way and can be sold many times over to a larger audience albeit a pretty niche market. For example, an illustrated icon graphics library will run around $150-$200 per icon to have a professional designer create them. With 50 icons in a library that would be very costly to sell for only $20 and would be an unbelievably incredible deal for the end user and an unprofitable product for me.

It's the old story where MainLobby is appealing to so many different markets...some think it's way over priced and others in the industry think it's way under priced. My background comes from developing graphics all my life and I know how much this stuff really gets priced out at.

I knew I'd take some punishment for the pricing, but the fact of the matter is we need to price it to make a profit. While at the same time I realize it's a trade-off, price it lower and you'll sell more. One thing I've learned, it's a lot easier to lower your price than raise it. :)

I remember when MainLobby cost $10. :)

Funboy

10-06-03, 10:35 PM

Mario, I completly understand your pricing model and support it.

When I first saw your post I almost immediatley clicked on the link to go and buy the library. But then...

I am from Canada. So after the currency conversion it becomes even less inticing to buy. However I'm still interested in purchasing.

How about doing a deal for us Canadians? How about the current price but in Canadian dollars for Canadian residents? I know it may seem unfair for US residents, but there are many products that are priced differently for Canada than the US.

How about it?

PabloReiter

10-06-03, 11:44 PM

OK Mario,

Now that the Lobby suite is picking up speed with the addition of Dan (congrats bTW, great combo!), it is becoming increasingly difficult to keep up with the different flavors, licenses, modules, etc. I think the problem with your pricing scheme is not the actual cost of each module, but the way you are charging them.

I come from a software marketing background, having set pricing for different software packages in the industry for a number of years. The way I see it is as follows:

Bought ML 1.0 at around $50
Bought ML 2.0 at around the same
Bought Musiclobby at asking price which I cannot remember
I have a use for Musiclobby PocketPC, TVlobby, tvicons, weblobby, dvdlobby (may be) and weatherlobby but if you start adding up the costs of the upgrades every 6-12 months on each one, it starts getting out of control in terms of cost, all coming at different times, with unscheduled releases popping up every few weeks/months. It definetely feels like I am being 'nickel and dimed'. I am not saying that your work does not have tremendous value, but definetely your business model/release schedule needs a bit of refinement. I can truly imagine how it would be so hard on your side to predict revenues the way you are coming up with pricing for products .

What about licensing the whole suite at a certain price with a yearly maintenance cost that includes the updates to the suite? That way we can 'budget' our Mainlobby expense every year? What about a yearly subscription for all of your products? If you are going to come up with the price of every module the way you are pricing the TVbuttons, you are spreading your costs in a way that is really unpredictable and unfair to your loyal fans. Because a module has less mass appeal it is priced very expensively and another one that has a lot more value it is priced for much less does not seem fair.

If you had a more predictable revenue stream, you would know how much to invest in R&D for new modules/products. New modules would increase your user base due to a larger appeal of the suite, which in turn would increase your recurring revenue, which in turn would increase your R&D budget.

As a user, I can tell you that the way that Cinemar comes up with new versions of existing products and new products in settting their price and version number seems done arbitrarily based on the revenue needed that month. I think the question of 'is the next version going to be free?' comes up every few weeks. This tells you that we dont understand your policy in terms of upgrades.

I dont mean to rant in any way. I am a fan of your software but with the amount of modules/upgrades/fees you are leaving some of us behind. I think you have what it takes to beat out Crestron or any other control system out there, but your marketing strategies are definetely limiting your potential.

Thanks for listening

Pablo
A cinemar fan

huntrm

10-07-03, 12:07 AM

Pablo makes a good point. I'm working in the software industry today. The key for solid revenues/returns is being able to extract $$$ on a recurring and predictable basis, ensuring that product development can continue.

A simple scheme would be to purchase MainLobby for $200, then pay a recurring fee of 20% of that amount ANNUALLY that provides:
- Access to all forums
- 7-day turnaround for technical support via e-mail
- Minor and Major upgrades
- Newsletters
- Organized Local Meetings

Add-on packages can be included or priced on top of the $200, with yearly maintenance going up.

In addition, different flavors of support can be offered. For example,
- Gold Coverage - 25% of fee paid annually - includes everything
- Silver Coverage - 10% - everything but technical support

People will usually step up to Gold.

I think it would be good with your knowledge of who would pay, and who wouldn't to estimate what the $$ return of such an offering would be vs. the way you have it today.

The problem of course is bookeeping/management/billing. So in many respects, you may have it set up just fine today understanding your development resources.

Nevertheless, I'm thoroughly impressed with the product based on all of my readings - I plan on purchasing it in the near future.

Thank you for reading.

dreicher

10-07-03, 12:47 AM

Pablo/Funboy,

You both make very valid points, but let me assure you that pricing is not nearly as arbitrary as it seems.

For some of the products that we're trying to bring to market (TV Station Logos, weatherLobby, TVLobby, etc.) we have to take into consideration licensing/content fees associated with the information and/or graphics we're using. That. of course, plays an important role in pricing.

We're also at a bit of a crossroads in trying to open the Lobby suite to additional markets. One of these obvious markets is the possibility of adding a dealer/integrator base into the mix. You'll see signs in the future (and already) of trying to seperate the Lobby suite as an end-user hobby and a dealer/integrator tool that keeps us from getting screwed. In doing so, there's going to be a couple of bumps in the road.

You're idea of a subscription base is an interesting one, with one caveat - it doesn't protect the end user. Sure, we've been pumping out a steady stream of new products that I (modestly) feel are very well done. But as everyone knows, past performance is no good indication of future results. By locking you to a subscription, your protection is diminished. Also, by pricing things ala carte - it allows people to decide which components they may or may not want.

A couple of other things to keep in mind. TV logos are extremely easy to get for personal use (and completely free) if a user wanted to "roll their own". The idea to make a complete library available was based on user feedback of wanting an easy (time saving) solution to doing it on their own. If one person is willing to pay for the entire cost of development for a single component (plus a modest ROI) and allow us to give it away to everyone else, we would entertain that.

We take very seriously the loyalty of the users who have made Cinemar what it is today, and have and will continue to give back as much as possible to a very supportive and loyal following. There is no plan to "nickel and dime" this thing to death and no "we need revenue" pricing motives based on the month. Mario and I are both independently poor and intend to stay that way for some time until we can bring this thing to a broader market and capitalize on volume. Most upgrades continue to be free of charge, support is definitely free and for the most part very good and development is fairly well-balanced between providing new features to legacy products and releasing new products. Pricing schemes that net the same result, whether it be charging less for the product and charging for support or maintenance, or whatever your particular pricing model - ultimately yield the same result. Some people will say our current model is nickel/dime while others would say that charging for support is nickel/dime or charging a monthly fee for something that yielded no major upgrades or product releases is nickel/dime. While we may need to do a bit more research in final product pricing and positioning to get the maximum volume while still remaining profitable, I would much prefer user pay us when we develop a product that they see a value in - rather than basing it on them seeing value in what we've done in the past.

We do want to be the "poor man's" home automation tool. We want to blow away Crestron and AMX at a price point that is laughable in comparison. Maybe we're on to something, maybe we're just ON something. It's tough to say. We welcome the debate and, as always, take it all into consideration in delivering the product and service we are capable of.

Dan

PabloReiter

10-07-03, 06:49 AM

Dan,

I really did not mean to start a debate on your business model. I just wanted to give you some feedback from a very loyal user. I have so many hours invested in this thing, I could never switch to anything else anyway :)
.
As a very simple statement, I would rather have 2 releases a year for each product, properly scheduled, with visibility to future product plans for both new products and upgrades and a way to pay for it all with a single renewable license. I am not bitching about price at all...

While it is great to see all of the innovations you guys are coming out with, it does seem kind of random what you work on. I am sure it is not random whatsoever, but from the outside it seems that way. Mario spoke about ML3 over 6 months ago as if it was imminent. You guys mentioned that many new features of MusicLobby were coming out VERY soon. Instead we have weatherlobby and the TV GUI buttons which I did not know where in the works at all. Again, not a complaint because they are both great, but a bit more visibility into what's coming would be great and would give me more confidence to keep paying for things that will continue to have support for years to come. And did I mention that I would like to pay once for the year and get all of the upgrades ??? :D

Thanks again for listening

Pablo

Jay Wilson

10-07-03, 07:47 AM

Let me throw in my 1/2 cent :) I have no problem with the pricing...just what it's for. ML et al is already the nicest grpahics interface there is IMO. What I have always complained about is the lack of sustinance (sp?). Mario himself just said that there weren't a whole lot of folks that needed/wanted the logos...so why do them now? IOW, I personally would rather see the foundation of what can be done improved upon instead of the looks. I could (and would) easily add the text "CNN" to a button already in the vast library and accomplish the same thing...or doenload a logo from the web as Dan said and "roll my own" :)

It's just that a lot of releases seem to be gravy instead of meat. I have been a supporter since the very 1st thread about DVDLobby 1.0...at the time, just because I thought it was a good idea. Now I do use the suite, but I haven't followed this thread in a couple weeks simply beacuse those updates don't appeal to me.

Just my thoughts guys...not meant to be offensive or anything, just one opinion. Do keep up the good work, and I will continue to use and support the products. And I (as I'm sure everyone else) know that you can't make everyone happy and it is probably a real chore even making 1 or 2 people happy. so...

BTW Mario, It was good to finally meet you at CEDIA this year...after years of emails a face and "hairy arm" to go with the name... Maybe we can get Alvin, I mean Dan, to go next time around.

Take care guys!

JoshFink

10-07-03, 10:37 AM

As my recent postings will attest, I love the mL Suite and I'll continue to support it. I thought the TV Icons were fantastic. I don't use it to control my TV but with these I might... $80.. Ouch.. A little expensive

I like the yearly subscription model.. No clue on pricing, but look at how Stardock does it.. http://www.stardock.com

Just a suggestion... :D

Josh

gtrogue

10-07-03, 12:57 PM

Forget about subscriptions. The way it is now is fine. I make my own icons and buttons so I know how much work goes into it so $80 doesn't seem extreme to me.
What I would like to know is if there is a published upgrade policy? From my observations it seems that point releases are free to registered users and major releases have an upgrade fee. Thats all good but is there a free upgrade window to the next major release based on how long ago the older release was purchased. I'd be majorly PO'd if I paid $110 for MainLobby 2 and DVDLobby 2 and two or three months later needed to pony up again for ML 3 and DL 3.

dreicher

10-07-03, 01:45 PM

gt,

There is no published upgrade policy and no "set" time between what constitutes an update. Like most software, it is based on the delta of one whole version to the next. As in the past with the Lobby suite, generally the cost of buying in early and upgrading along the way is no more (generally less) expensive than buying at the new version pricing. In that, history is definitely on the side of Cinemar. MusicLobby is a prime example. Go from version 1 to 1.75. That was some major stuff along the way...

There have been historically many free upgrades along the way, but major revisions do necessitate a completely new versioning and pricing discussion.

You have to understand that we are trying to remain at the bleeding edge of technology here (thus the frequent smaller updates), address user concerns/requests as they become known and resolved (thus the frequent smaller updates) and a bit secretive for competitive purposes (thus the "erratic" product launches and no real timetable). In that, we're not wholly different from most software companies.

OT: How many posts do I need to get to before I can be labeled "Enormous Member". Once I get there - I'm stopping! :D

Dan

gtrogue

10-07-03, 02:06 PM

Enormous Member is just my own juvenile play on words. It can have so many meanings. :D

dreicher

10-08-03, 04:29 PM

Cinemar is pleased to announce the release of WeatherLobby as an add-on module to MainLobby.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/weatherlobby/weatherlobby_main.jpg

http://www.cinemaronline.com/weatherlobby/weatherlobby_daydetail.jpg

WeatherLobby allows you to view instant weather information and maps for anywhere in the world. Users can select up to 10 locations for fingertip access to current conditions and 10-day forecast. Get a detailed look at any day and night in the forecast by pressing the weather conditions icon for that day.

Full details and purchase information available at:

WeatherLobby information (http://www.cinemaronline.com/weatherlobby.html)

Dan

huntrm

10-08-03, 04:33 PM

Nice, very nice!!! Bring on TrafficLobby in the future!! :cool:

The less I watch local TV, the better for my HTPC with features like this!

dreicher

10-08-03, 04:57 PM

huntrm,

With the ability to assign custom images, I thought it would be kind of neat to insert a traffic conditions image for a quick peak at the morning commute. Most local news organizations or Dept. of Transportation have a constantly updating image of congestion/avg. speeds.

Dan

dreicher

10-08-03, 04:58 PM

By the way, everyone take notice it was 82 degrees in Minnesota today! :D

stickyfingers

10-08-03, 05:10 PM

Pulled out your thong and worked on your tanlines I imagine...

;)

dreicher

10-08-03, 05:14 PM

Actually, the only way I knew it was 82 degrees is because WeatherLobby told me it was.

Dan

AKA

10-08-03, 05:16 PM

Yeah, then why I am I still at work?

Um, I mean...nevermind.:D

dreicher

10-08-03, 06:26 PM

AKA,

Have heart - it will be back in the 60's by the weekend. :D

Dan

Funboy

10-08-03, 07:08 PM

Dan,

I just finished completing my order for WeatherLobby.

Now I'm sitting here refreshing my InBox waiting for the message from Cinemar telling me that I can download it....

......still waiting... ;-)

Damit, I'm impatient.

mcascio

10-08-03, 07:47 PM

Funboy,

You've got mail. :)

Be sure to read the help file included...you'll need to update MLServer to version 1.03.

Enjoy.

orbitzboy

10-08-03, 10:44 PM

Just checked out Weatherlobby.

Nice.

I own an Oregon Scientific personal weather station and use Ambient Software virtual weather station, including homeseer integration (turns off the sprinklers when it rains, turn's on some lights at dusk, etc...). I spent an outrageous amount of time optimizing the internet edition to combine weather.com data and my own information and getting it to fit into a single weblobby frame.... Where were you two months ago :>

Just thought of an interesting idea. The look and feel of Weatherlobby is much nicer than an imbeded flat webpage, even if it is all graphical. Mario, can I embed flash ino a html document displayed by weblobby flash inside flash?

Funboy

10-09-03, 12:15 AM

Just got WeatherLobby up and running.

Sweet!! I am very impressed. Very easy installation, very clean setup.

One small bug.

I use weather.com quite a bit. And so I have it set to return my temperatures in degrees celsius. And that setting is remembered on my desktop.

So the temperatures that are being returned to WeatherLobby are in degrees celsius, but WeatherLobby is putting a F behind the temperature.

Aside from that, this is a awesome addition. Wife loves it.

dreicher

10-09-03, 12:38 AM

Funboy,

Are you sure the numbers are coming back celsius. The feeds we're using should be independent of any settings you have. Could you possibly give me the location code you are using so I can do some investigation?

Dan

smoothtlk

10-09-03, 06:34 AM

orbitzboy,
I asked the same type flash question a while ago and the answer is that the next major release of MainLobby should be able to do things like that. This would be where the MLServer becomes the central component to serve up the data to ML flash client running in HTML served by a webserver.

You too allude to a tighter integration with all your hard work on Homeseer to be able to be displayed in a ML front end. I wonder how many of us are out there....

Funboy

10-09-03, 10:04 AM

Dan, I compared the numbers to weather.com. And they are indeed in Celcius but have the F displayed.

My location is "Calgary, CANADA".

Jay Wilson

10-09-03, 10:10 AM

To heck with you guys....You stink!!!! I hate you!!!!

Now that I see all the additional things you are heading towards, I can see multiple Progears (or similar) throughout the house. Dam you!!! :D

_K_C_

10-09-03, 10:10 AM

Dan, Mario

WeatherLobby looks fantastic (as usual). Could you clarify the following for me?

I currently have my HTPC set up to be an alarm clock. At a set time, I have a Scheduled Task open an html document. The document
(1) shows the day and date (I need that in the morning)
(2) shows a satellite image from weather.com
and
(3) also starts an internet radio station using a real player embedded in the html.

I already have MainLobby, MusicLobby and WebLobby. If I bought WeatherLobby would I be able to recreate my current alarm clock with Lobby products? I'm not sure I see how at the moment...

_K_C_

dreicher

10-09-03, 10:19 AM

_K_C_,

What are you doing at night that you NEED the day and date in the morning? Right now, the only hangup is the internet radio station; however, we're quickly moving in that direction where you could schedule actions.

Dan

dreicher

10-09-03, 01:58 PM

We have issued an update that adds a few user requested features and fixes a few minor bugs in WeatherLobby. Full details are available here:

http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=661

Dan

boykster

10-09-03, 02:18 PM

Darn you guys for adding so much new stuff to the Lobby suites....(just kidding).

I've ignored these threads for months, busy with work/remodelling/etc telling myself that I don't need to play with more new systems....doh!

Weather lobby is just too cool...add in traffic lobby and I'm all set!

Oh and Dan and Mario, sorry for not being able to come through with the slinke plugin...I got swamped at work and home (lots of remodelling going on at my house - by me) and couldn't find the time to build it. Glad to see that you got it up and running...very cool!

Cheers,

Rich

Jay Wilson

10-09-03, 02:26 PM

I have also been looking for something nice to store my wife's recipes. I can see with a Progear that the WetherLobby and a recipe database would be really cool in the kitchen.

dreicher

10-09-03, 02:41 PM

Jay,

I had mentioned a long time ago about doing RecipeLobby. Mostly as a joke, but for the same reason. I figured my wife would let me install a Progear in the kitchen wall if I did it - she said nope - I stopped thinking about it.

I think it would be really fun to put together an online version that allows wives to view everyones recipes and/or download recipes from others into their local storage. It wouldn't be very difficult to pull off if there is enough interest. :)

Dan

Jay Wilson

10-09-03, 02:47 PM

Now that would be pretty cool! Kind of like "recipeprofiler" but everyone could share the info...I like. That's probably the only way I'd ever get one in the kitchen as well.

Hmmm....mounted in the door of the refridgerator...

mcascio

10-14-03, 02:19 PM

Hi all,

As an extra added bonus value, we'll be including another background skin with the Network Logos graphics library.
It was designed at 1366x768 (16x9) but was also intended for use with 1024x768 by clipping off the left side.

All current users will receive this update for free when it's available.

Here's a screen shot. Notice, you can build a genre category to select the channel logos you desire to appear. This is great for users with children. They press the KIDS button and only the channels they watch appear.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/screenshot_networklogos2.jpg

dreicher

10-17-03, 12:42 AM

Hi all,

I'm looking for some Lobby faithful to help us get interacTrivia/triviaLobby off the ground. Please visit:

http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=39

for full details. It won't cost you anything. :)

http://www.cinemaronline.com/screenshots/trivia_question.gif

Dan

Don Black

10-17-03, 02:47 AM

Hey everyone,

I was curious as to how I get MainLobby/MusicLobby/DVDLobby to control other A/V components? So, when I hit the "Music" button in MainLobby, in addition to launching MusicLobby, the application also changes my receiver to the "CD" input. Do I need an IR transmitter? Another piece of software on top of the transmitter? Thanks!

smoothtlk

10-17-03, 07:31 AM

Don,
With the addition of the MainLobby Server component, you can now do Macros to accomplish multiple tasks with one button push.
Here is the action for my "ON" button:

MLServecmd.Macro|MLHomeseer|ex:C14ON!MLSLinke|dvd1:poweron!MLSLinke|lexicon1:power!MLSLinke|projector1:power

What you see here is a command to turn on the power to my amps (I have an X10 power switch that turns on the "remote power" to my Lexicon processor. That in turn switches on the amps. It is controlled via my home automation software "Homeseer".), turns on my DVD changer, the Lexicon, and my projector (by IR commnds sent via the SLinke hardware).

So yes, you should look into a Slinke device (available via cinemaronline.com) for IR or S-Link control of the theater rack components.

You can then use the MainLobby suite as a "remote control" on steroids. Conditional logic is also supported (If Zoom Player is Open, then the Play button controls Zoom - If Zoom Player is not Open, then control the DVD Changer....)

Don Black

10-17-03, 03:48 PM

Thanks smoothtlk. Does the Slinke have an IR transmitter? Is the Slinke a wise investment given the fact that the latest Sony DVD changers don't support it? Also, how does the Slinke compare to the USB-UIRT? Thanks!

K-Wood

10-17-03, 04:03 PM

The Slinke is both an IR transmitter and receiver, as well as an S-Control and A-1 control transmitter for Sony devices.

I used it all of last year, principally as an IR transmitter.

I'm currently using the USB-UIRT with Girder and MainLobby.

Rumor has it that MainLobby will soon support the USB-UIRT directly.

I frankly prefer the USB-UIRT as a IR transceiver, because it is KISS and the IR blaster is quite powerful.

- Ken

rudolpht

10-17-03, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by K-Wood
Rumor has it that MainLobby will soon support the USB-UIRT directly.

Any confirm or deny?

I am stymied by the sheer flexibility of Main Lobby in trying to do an install during Trial use.

Used Xlobby & myHTPC, left wanting and I admit the slickness of MainLobby has great appeal. Cost isn't really the issue, but time investment is.

dreicher

10-17-03, 11:30 PM

Tim,

There are two individuals currently in a race to finish up a USB-UIRT plug-in for MainLobby Server. So, yes, it is going to happen - just no timeframe yet.

Dan

rudolpht

10-18-03, 06:32 AM

Thanks

mcascio

10-20-03, 05:26 AM

Everyone that's using the Network Logos graphics Library will be happy to know they can redownload the update by logging in to Cinemar's website.

This update includes two new background skins, a complete 16:9 MainLobby Scene and a missing CBS graphic. One is designed at 1024x768 and the other 1366x768.

mcascio

10-27-03, 03:04 PM

Hi Guys,

Sorry for the lack of posting here on the AVSForum...it's difficult to keep up with all the forums including Cinemar's these days.

I didn't want this new feature of MLServer to go un-noticed though - this was posted by Dan on the Cinemar forum and I'd like everyone to be aware of the latest:
MLServer 1.06 released
This is a rollup with a few enhancements.

DVDLobby plug-in has been updated to accept PLAYMOVIE~UPC commands - among other things.

The biggest addition is, MLRedirect. Using the Redirect plug-in you can send commands from a central copy of MainLobby Server to copies of MainLobby Server running on different machines. The syntax is:

MLServeCmd.MLRedirect|<<DOMAIN>>::<<PORT>>::<<COMMAND>>

An example:

MLServeCmd.MLRedirect|HTPC::5004::MLServeCmd.MLFileOpen|notepad.exe

Would accept the command into your central MLServer and redirect it to MLServer running on HTPC at port 5004. This should accomodate 90% of users who need multiple instances of MainLobby Server on different computers.

----
There's more discussion on how you can use it in this thread:
Click here for thread (http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=748)

This command breaks the barrier and allows control of multiple computers throughout the home without the need to have multiple copies/licenses.

mcascio

10-27-03, 03:04 PM

PabloReiter

11-05-03, 06:41 AM

Mario, Dan

Have you been able to chase down why ML takes 10-20% of a 3ghz CPU while idle? when it spikes to 20%, I start getting a few dropped frames from the Holo3d card. Certainly very annoying.

Any help is appreciated. I am willing to do any debugging for u. Otherwise I am forced to install on another PC altogether.

Thanks

Pablo

mcascio

11-16-03, 01:13 PM

If you've purchased and downloaded the Network Logo Library prior to 11/15/03 - please login and redownload the zip and re-extract the file: LibraryNetworkLogosUS.swf to your Library folder.

This Library now includes the UPN network logo.

Hi Pablo,

Have you been able to track when the spike occurs or what activity causes it? Does it occur when you do a complete restart of MainLobby without ever entering into Design mode?

PabloReiter

11-16-03, 03:37 PM

Mario,

ML takes 10-20% CPU when restarting the computer without doing anything at all. Can anybody else verify this?

Thanks

Pablo

mcascio

11-23-03, 06:29 PM

Hi everyone.

Cinemar is proud to release an update to the GuiGraphix Network Logo Library.

This update includes over 30 additional station logos rounding out the collection to over 200+ station logos:
America's Store
BBC America
BET on Jazz
Black Starz!
Boomerang
Cinemax West
CNBC World
CNN Financial News
CNN Interactive
CNN International
Discovery Times
Disney Channel 2
Empire Sports Network
Encore West
ESPN News
FLIX
Fox Movie Channel
Fox Sports Espanol
Fox Sports World
HBO Family West
HBO Latino
HBO West
HBO Zone
HBO2 West
Lifetime Movie Network
Lifetime Real Women
Music Choice
Outdoor Channel
Ovation
Showtime West
Starz! West
The Movie Channel West
Toon Disney
Tri

Many of these were special requests from users.

This update also fixes a bug related to the Lifetime and Nickelodeon logos not displaying properly.

For more information on the Network Logo GuiGraphix Library and a complete station listing, stop by:
http://www.cinemaronline.com/guigraphix.networklogosus.html

mcascio

12-01-03, 05:52 PM

Some pretty powerful improvements have been added for the latest release of MainLobby Server, mostly dealing with the ability to manipulate user-defined variables. Here is the update log:

Added ability to store dynamic variables in MainLobby Server
Added command for setting dynamic variable in MainLobby Server: MLServeCmd.SetVariable|<<NAME>>~<<VALUE>>
Added ability to substitute any dynamic variable into MLServeCmd's by using a placeholder in the command, ie: MLServeCmd.MLFileOpen|{{source}} will substitute the current value of "source" into the command in place of {{source}}
(MLTVLobby) Significant updates in anticipation of TVLobby release
(MLDVDLobby) Added sending of changer location/changer number with movie details for display in TV display version of DVDLobby

Obviously, the biggest part of the upgrade is the ability to set variables in MainLobby Server from a button, macro, or plug-in. Users can substitute variables into any MLServeCmd for generating dynamic commands by using: {{variable name}} in the command.

We are in the process of updating the libraries to allow users to assign a variable to a text box that can be displayed inside MainLobby. I don't know all the implications of this right now, but I know it will allow the motivated among you to build some pretty spectacular scenes and control solutions, including the ability to create buttons that toggle a variable and/or execute commands based on the state of that variable. Or building "source select" switches. I think your imagination is the only limitation.

Plug-in writers will be able to populate variables in MainLobby Server that can be viewed in MainLobby, so if you write a plug-in that communicates bidirectionally with a receiver - you could populate the currently selected source, volume level whatever into MainLobby Server and display those values anywhere in MainLobby.

Update is available from the login page, or http://www.cinemaronline.com/mlserver.html

I've also added the necessary code to send the Changer Number and Changer Location to DVDLobby (tv version).

PabloReiter

12-01-03, 06:55 PM

Guys,

Hate to be a pain, but I am having the CPU high usage problem, it is making all of my dvd pans very rough and I am not getting any answers here or your forum... WHAT GIVES GUYS??? I waited 7-10 days for a response patiently on both forums. What more information do you need to give me an answer? Should I remove ML from my video and audio servers like other users have suggested? If this is the case and ML requires its own server, I need to add that to the equation.

Thanks in advance

Pablo

dreicher

12-01-03, 07:06 PM

Pablo,

Can you give me some more information, because it seems very peculiar. What CPU usage are you getting when MainLobby is minimized? Are you getting the same usage on all scenes or what scene are you getting it on? We'll be putting out an update in the not too distant future that scales back the frame rate of MainLobby, which should help considerably, but something odd is going on, because the computer you've spec'd should not be having that much of an issue.

Dan

midi-guy

12-01-03, 07:40 PM

FWIW,
When I checked CPU utilization on my HTPC, the 'culprit' was MLServer, not ML/DVDLobby. PC is a P4 2.8G ASUS P4P800/512mb/Radeon9700.

schud

12-01-03, 07:50 PM

Added ability to store dynamic variables in MainLobby Server
Added command for setting dynamic variable in MainLobby Server: MLServeCmd.SetVariable|<<NAME>>~<<VALUE>>
Added ability to substitute any dynamic variable into MLServeCmd's by using a placeholder in the command, ie: MLServeCmd.MLFileOpen|{{source}} will substitute the current value of "source" into the command in place of {{source

OK, I'm dense, I admit it! :o

Can you please explain in laymans terms what this will allow you to do? Would this somehow allow me, for example, to somehow have MLServer on the server pc be able to use the MLRedirect command to either of two other PC's running DVDLobby?

Or is this just for ML users with touchpanels?

I'm confused :confused:

dreicher

12-01-03, 07:57 PM

You could setup 2 or 3 buttons in MainLobby and assign keyboard shortcuts 1,2,3 to them. Then you could assign commands to each of the buttons: MLServeCmd.SetVariable|DVDLobbyRedirectTo~HTPC1, MLServeCmd.SetVariable|DVDLobbyRedirectTo~HTPC2, MLServeCmd.SetVariable|DVDLobbyRedirectTo~HTPC3.

Pressing 1, 2, or 3 on your remote would then set the redirect variable to the HTPC you'd like. Now, setup your movie database with a default command of MLServeCmd.MLRedirect|{{DVDLobbyRedirectTo}}::5004::MLFileOpen|<<FILE>> or something similar. Soon you'll be able to add a textfield that will tell you what the current value of DVDLobbyRedirectTo is from MainLobby, but here's a case where it would work quite nicely.

Dan

midi-guy

12-01-03, 08:11 PM

I guess I was little bit terse in my previous post :)

If it's any help...

I 've noticed that MLServer will sometimes cause the CPU to peg @ 100%.

This would happen when running MLServer by itself and w/o ML/DVD/MuL running. Running TT was obviously problemmatic.

This condition does not happen on 2 other PCs that I am running MLServer on.
The only thing different about this PC is that it was the first one to get MLServer installed on it (1.05?). I have been installing the subsequent updates on the PC. The other installations of MLServerstarted out with very current versions (>1.2).

PabloReiter

12-02-03, 09:28 PM

Dan,

I have tried minimizing ML and CPU usage goes from 15-30% to 0-2%. When I maximize it goes back up. I have attached the scene I am loading with the ini. Hope this helps.

Pablo

smoothtlk

12-02-03, 09:29 PM

Here is an example of how to use the new Variable commands:

Button named "Theater": MLServeCmd.SetVariable|location~Theater
Button named "Study": MLServeCmd.SetVariable|location~Study

Action Conditional in DVDLobby plugin Default Cmd Line:

MLServeCmd.MLConditional|IsEqual##{{Location}}##Theater##MLRedirect|HTPC::5004::MLServeCmd.Macro|MLFileOpen|subst~Z: /D~0!MLFileOpen|subst~Z: "N:\Video\<<TITLE>>\Video_TS"~0!MLPause|.5!MLFileOpen|C:\Program Files\Zoom Player\zplayer.exe~/DVD /PLAY##MLRedirect|StudyPC::5004::MLServeCmd.Macro|MLFileOpen|subst~Z: /D~0!MLFileOpen|subst~Z: "N:\Video\<<TITLE>>\Video_TS"~0!MLPause|.5!MLFileOpen|C:\Program Files\Zoom Player\zplayer.exe~/DVD /PLAY

So, when clicking button "Theater", and then clicking a movie on DVDLobby, Zoom Player opens playing that movie on PC HTPC. When clicking button "Study", and then selecting a movie in DVDLobby, Zoom Player opens playing the chosen movie on PC "StudyPC" (in the Study).

BTW, note the case of "location" and "Location". small possible bug. Seems that the variable can only be lower case.

Now your wireless tablet is now proximate to the location you are in!! Lots of possibilities here...

Dan - thanx as usual. Another new level for MainLobby! Zoned commands!

ccclapp

12-04-03, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by mcascio

Plug-in writers will be able to populate variables in MainLobby Server that can be viewed in MainLobby, so if you write a plug-in that communicates bidirectionally with a receiver - you could populate the currently selected source, volume level whatever into MainLobby Server and display those values anywhere in MainLobby.

...on this note: Does/will ML DVD lobby have the ability to display the "State" of a playing movie in any of several zones controlled by DVDLobby? In other words, I want to "see" that the movie is actually playing in a remote zone via ML/DVDL by seeing some kind of feedback like the chapter and time of the playing movie. By seeing the time advance, I would KNOW for sure my commands have been executed in the remote zone.

...on a related note: It sure would be great if 2-way serial communication was easy to achieve via ML/DVDL. I would really like to control my Lexicon MC12 Pre/pre. I have this set up as a multizone Pre/pro. My Setup is too complex to rely only on IR (I do not know what is actually going on in remote zones).

Thanks

Caleb

dreicher

12-04-03, 08:41 AM

PabloReiter

12-04-03, 08:46 AM

ccclap,

I have the MC12 working with Girder and rs232 talking to Mainlobby with 2 way communications if you are interested. I dont have the zone commands as I dont use the MC12 for multizone...

Pablo

ccclapp

12-04-03, 07:52 PM

Caleb,

You could probably setup Girder using DVDSpy to populate variables in MainLobby Server using command line. We'll be working to integrate two-way communication with the various software players in the future directly.

Writing a 2-way plug-in for a serial device is not a difficult undertaking and the MC12 has a well-documented communication protocol. Any volunteers?

Dan

...Dan: I am not that good. I will need to wait for you to incorporate it.

Originally posted by PabloReiter
ccclap,

I have the MC12 working with Girder and rs232 talking to Mainlobby with 2 way communications if you are interested. I dont have the zone commands as I dont use the MC12 for multizone...

Pablo

..Pablo, this sounds fantastic! Can I hit you up further? Care to sent your whole control package, meaning your ML/DVDL, Girder (if used), etc
files/panels? The point is I have my system working well...but with no central control interface. That is to say, everything looks/sounds great; everything can be controlled remotely via a COMBINATION OF IR, REMOTE DESKTOP, DVDSarter, Net Remote, etc. I DO NOT have the central control interface in place. That will/should be ML/DVDL, but I can't write the required scripts. Seeing a working sample of someone else's whole-system control interface would be invaluable.

Thanks for your help!

--Caleb

PabloReiter

12-05-03, 06:43 AM

Caleb

Just to clarify, I use Girder for everything. I dont use MLServer or anything else like DVDL (what is that???). I dont have any ML scripts either. Girder receives all of the feedback from the MC12 and Proceed PMDT and does screen popups on top of ML. Also, I only control the theater with this, Multizone audio is not done through Mediacenter or Musiclobby.

Let me know if you are still interested.

Pablo

ccclapp

12-05-03, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by PabloReiter
Caleb

Just to clarify, I use Girder for everything. I dont use MLServer or anything else like DVDL (what is that???). I dont have any ML scripts either. Girder receives all of the feedback from the MC12 and Proceed PMDT and does screen popups on top of ML. Also, I only control the theater with this, Multizone audio is not done through Mediacenter or Musiclobby.

Let me know if you are still interested.

Pablo

...DVDL = DVD Lobby

..any working prototypes would be an improvement over mt control interface.

--Caleb

PabloReiter

12-05-03, 06:58 AM

Dan,

Any luck on the CPU issue?

Pablo

mcascio

12-05-03, 10:40 AM

Pablo,

I'm working on some minor updates to MainLobby and will look into the issue.

IMPORTANT REMINDER FOR SLINKE & GIRDER USERS:

This is just a reminder, we will be removing the configuration panels found within MainLobby for both Girder and the Slinke. This does not mean that we won't support Girder or the Slinke. It just means that you'll want to start switching to using MLServer's plugins to send Girder and Slinke commands.

So if you had a Slinke command assigned to your button that looked like:
cd:play

It would now be assigned to the MLServeCmd line found within MainLobby 2.30+ Button Properties panel and look like:
MLServeCmd.MLSlinke|cd:play

You can send multiple commands by separating each complete command with a space. You can also sent the command wait:nnnn where nnnn is the number of milliseconds to pause between commands. If no value in milliseconds is specified the default of 500ms is used.

For Girder, the syntax is as follows:
MLServeCmd.MLGirder|<<event>>~<<Opt: payload1>>~<<Opt: payload2>>~<<Opt: payload3>>

NOTE: You must have the path to gireventlib.dll in your system path directory for this to work correctly. This is accomplished by adding the path to the System PATH variable in Control Panel -> System -> Advanced -> Environment Variables and editing, or moving girdereventlib.dll to your system directory (ie, C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32). This plug-in only works on Girder 3.26+. GIRDER EVENTS ARE CASE SENSITIVE. You must have Internet Event Server enabled in Girder for this plug-in to communicate with Girder.

Example:

MLServeCmd.MLGirder|Notepad~text.txt

PabloReiter

12-05-03, 01:38 PM

Mario,

Can I aske you to leave the Girder commands there for backwards compatibility? I have tens of screens with tens of buttons each and I hate to have to be forced to change all buttons now. There may be a very valid reason to do so, but if there is a way you can keep it, I would greatly apreciate it.

Pabllo

orbitzboy

12-05-03, 03:46 PM

Pablo,

In the cinemaronline forums, there is a program you can download called "ml_conv.exe". it's basically a test editor for MLS files.

I was in the same situation you were. I used this program to do a global search & replace for slinke & girder commands. Only takes two search/replace commands for each MLS - maybe 1 minute per MLS.

It's the best way to go. I couldn't imagine having to edit every button on every screen. Just imagine trying to track down the buttons with a typo....

Here's a link to the thread: http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=121

mcascio

12-08-03, 11:23 AM

Pablo,

Did you get a chance to play with the utility orbitzboy mentioned?

While removing the Girder/Slinke directly from MainLobby and utilizing it's features within MLServer is not critical with this next update, as we work our way towards a thin client, it will be impossible to leave that functionality in there - so we're trying to push our users there sooner than later. :)

PabloReiter

12-08-03, 03:55 PM

Mario,

While I have not had a chance to play with the utility, I trust that it works and I will use it when the time comes. I do have to chuckle at the term "thin client" when it takes a 2ghz machine to run ML efficiently :-)

If you want us to move towards the MLServer, you guys need to look at the performance of both. I still dont have an answer on the cpu usage issue!!! (what a pain i can be...:-)

Pablo

mcascio

12-08-03, 04:12 PM

Hi Pablo,

After reviewing your scene for the second time, I realized you are using the Time objects to display local time. I didn't see them the first time since the background was black.

Take those out and you'll see your Processor go down to 0-1%.

It's been a while since I created those objects and there may be a better way to improve their efficiency and CPU usage.

Let me know if that works.

One of the reasons we are taking Girder/Slinke out of the actual application is to improve load time - especially with the Slinke. It should also slightly speed up the time it takes a command to be sent, but probably not noticable to the user.

Wysocki

12-08-03, 04:54 PM

FYI - the ml_conv utility has been updated to fix two bugs:
1. Leading spaces are no longer removed from text labels.
2. The last button Vpos value is no longer reset to 0.
Get a fresh copy if you downloaded it before 12/08/03.

http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=121

PabloReiter

12-08-03, 07:27 PM

Mario,

I will try tonite and let u know

thx!!!

p

PabloReiter

12-09-03, 01:15 PM

Mario!!!!

It worked!!! Mainlobby at 0-2% CPU usage at last! Thanks a bunch! I am going to try to run it on the Progear now with MLServer to see if I can get it to work fast enough

Memory usage is almost at 43MB though. Not an issue since I have plenty o' memory, but I dont know it this is normal or there is a memory leak that makes it grow after loading/unloading scenes.

Thanks

Pablo

Funboy

12-09-03, 03:30 PM

Pablo I'm also experiencing the same memory problem. And I do not have any time controls on my scenes.

I do notice that when I don't have MainLobby running, everything is good. When I start it up, memory usage is around 30-40% (of a 1.8GHz system). But in general this doesn't cause too much slow down.

However after a couple of days of running, I notice that memory usage goes up to 70% (even spking to 80%). I think it occurs after going back-and-forth between different scenes.

And then after a few more days I end up needing to reboot the server because it just becomes too slow.

I'll be doing a serious of tests tonight to isolate the problem. I'm thinking the MusicLobby scene is the culprit - it's the original one provided in the package.

Funboy

12-09-03, 10:59 PM

Ok, here are the results of my test:

- Windows 2003 Server, 1.8 GHz system, 256 MB RAM

- MediaCenter running playing music
- ML Server running in background
- MainLobby is NOT running
- Status: ~0% CPU usage

- Same as above except Mainlobby is now running at sitting at my main (homepage) scene
- Status: 2%-5% CPU

- Same as above except Mainlobby is sitting at MusicLobby scene
- Status: 33% - 45% CPU

- Same as original except MainLobby is sitting at lighting scene (contains the .swf X10 switches)
- Status: 40% - 60%

- Returning to the main scene brings CPU back to 2%

What's interesting is that if you leave the MainLobby sitting at the MusicLobby scene, I notice that slowly CPU usage & memory usage increases.

Mario, hopefully that provides enough information for you guys to hunt down the problem. If you need me to do other tests let me know.

longing

12-10-03, 12:07 AM

Anyone else having trouble with Mainloby 2.30b trial? I installed it and it brings up a 30day screen then goes to a gold 800x600ish window with the buttons movies, tv, music , and web. when you click a button the just refreshes to the same image, click the same button again and all the buttons go away, and your left with just the window w/ the background picture on it and nothing ever happens after that. Have tried uninstalling and reinstalling and rebooting stuff over and over again.

Xp.
default installation directory
piii 800, 512m, 80g
nvidia.

Thanks,
Mason

mcascio

12-10-03, 12:23 AM

It worked!!! Mainlobby at 0-2% CPU usage at last! Thanks a bunch! I am going to try to run it on the Progear now with MLServer to see if I can get it to work fast enough

Pablo - I thought that would do it. :)

Keep the feedback coming in guys on extended usage so we can track down the possible problem.

Mason,
The default scene is just a sample of what you can create. The buttons are linked if you downloaded the other trials and extract them to the Cinemar folder where mainlobby.exe resides. Don't create subfolders for the other lobby trials.

When you move your mouse to the top of the screen, a hidden menu will reveal. Select EDIT then select a button. You will see the button is linked to another scene. These scenes are found within the other trials.

Hope this helps.

weldon

12-10-03, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by longing
when you click a button the just refreshes to the same image, click the same button again and all the buttons go away, and your left with just the window w/ the background picture on it and nothing ever happens after that.

That happened to me too. It took me a few tries to realize that the "movie" button on the main scene is linked to "dvdlobby.mls" when the dvdlobby trial comes with "dvdlobby3.mls"

Just edit this link for the button following the directions that Mario gave and all will work. I don't know about musiclobby and the rest because I didn't download those for the trial.

mcascio

12-10-03, 10:43 AM

Thanks Weldon,

I had a hunch that the link was off. I forgot we changed it with DVDLobby 3's release recently.

mcascio

12-10-03, 10:57 AM

For those interested, we've created some modified screen savers that autoscale to your display - this was a special request by DVDlobby users now utilizing the 16:9 TV/Remote version.

To download, click here. (http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/download.php?id=215)

You'll find the ever popular 4 corner spotlight effect, rain on the window effect and a snowflake effect.

Perfect for the holiday season. :)

mcascio

12-12-03, 01:40 AM

Hi Folks,

We're working on some MainLobby updates. We have the opportunity to reinstate the arrow key functionality (using yellow outlines) but it would require temporarily giving up the ability to move buttons using the arrow keys while in navigation mode.

My guess is that the arrow key functionality would be more popular than the arrow key usage during DESIGN mode. But I thought I'd like to hear from the users first.

I'm also expecting to see better system performance on all machines.

Other inclusions are more buttons, additional fonts, and many bug fixes.

I'd also like to hear some more feature requests specifically relating to MainLobby and not necessarily MLServer. If they are easy enough to add, we'll try and squeeze them into the update.

Oliver Klohs

12-12-03, 01:42 AM

Hi Mario,
my vote would be for arrow key functionality.
Oliver

PabloReiter

12-12-03, 07:15 AM

Mario,

what about a time control that works better than the old one? BTW I was able to now run ML directly on the Progear with acceptable performance. The time control was killing the Progear. It is not the speediest, but it runs pretty god.

Also, popu windows would be nice. A 'back' button with more than one memory (maybe a stack of 20?) would be great!

Thnx

Pablo

schud

12-12-03, 07:57 AM

Another vote for arrow key functionality in LAUNCH mode.

Just out of curiosity, how come you can't make it work both ways, using the "Use Keyboard Arrows" check box as a switch, so to speak, to select between arrow key functionality in design mode and launch mode? In other words, ML works one way with the box checked, and the other way with the box unchecked.

jwaters

12-12-03, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by mcascio
My guess is that the arrow key functionality would be more popular than the arrow key usage during DESIGN mode. But I thought I'd like to hear from the users first.

Yes! Please give all of us non-tablet users keyboard control! The yellow outlines are fine - just use square-ish buttons, and all is well.

There must be a ton of potential users wanting to use MainLobby on TV, and navigate it with a remote.

I attempted using this feature in a much earlier release, but I could never get it to work consistently. Sometimes when a scene was loaded, there would be no button in focus, so you had to press tab to get the highlight to show up. Other times it seemed to work, and I could never figure out any consistency. However, I look forward to getting the feature back.

BTW - the keyboard controlled TV Scene in DVDLobby 3 works great!

JW

gtrogue

12-12-03, 08:52 AM

Mario, How about being able to sort your movies in the TV version of DVDLobby?

cmcjo

12-12-03, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by gtrogue
Mario, How about being able to sort your movies in the TV version of DVDLobby?

They are already sorted alphabetically, and you can sort them by Genre.
What other sorting should there be?

gtrogue

12-12-03, 09:50 AM

How about all the old ways you can sort the non-TV version of DL: Sort title, alphabetically, genre, production year, rating, changer location, collection number.

I would really like the changer location sorting because it makes finding empty slots in your changers easier. It would be especially useful when you are adding movies and need to know where an empty slot is. Right now you have to actually go around the carousel to find an empty slot and sometimes that is problematic because a slot may be empty because you loaned a movie to someone. Maybe it could sort by changer number and then location.

schud

12-12-03, 09:57 AM

Guys.... OT!

Maybe you should take your discussion to the DVDLOBBY thread. This thread is discussing MAINLOBBY.

mcascio

12-12-03, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by PabloReiter
Mario,

what about a time control that works better than the old one? BTW I was able to now run ML directly on the Progear with acceptable performance. The time control was killing the Progear. It is not the speediest, but it runs pretty god.

Also, popu windows would be nice. A 'back' button with more than one memory (maybe a stack of 20?) would be great!

Thnx

Pablo

Hi Pablo,
I've got the framework already created for a better performance clock. It will not display seconds and only update once a minute instead of every second. I think I can wrap it up and include it.

The Back button is already being stacked. I can't recall how many, but I believe it's around 20 if not an infinite number. That's been in there for quite some time. :)

jwaters,
I've modified the timing of the yellow focus so that it should realiably stay focussed on the first button the user places on the stage. As long as the mouse isn't moved, you shouldn't have to ever hit the tab key.

I think we saw a surge of excitement with the TV version of DVDLobby and we'll continue to bring that feature set with the rest of our products.

Just out of curiosity, how come you can't make it work both ways, using the "Use Keyboard Arrows" check box as a switch, so to speak, to select between arrow key functionality in design mode and launch mode? In other words, ML works one way with the box checked, and the other way with the box unchecked.

shud,
Sure - sounds simple enough. Some things are more difficult or require work-arounds than others when using Flash. This just happens to be one of them. :)

Any more feature requests specific to MainLobby?

smoothtlk

12-12-03, 10:47 AM

Mario,
Of course the "Dynamic Text button" that can display text derived from external sources (most notably Homeseer MLServer plugin).

The ability for a two state button (Projector On / Projector Off as one example) that leverages the MLserver variables capability. Two different graphics (selectable from the library) and text for the two different states.

An improved static text "button" that even in Design / Edit mode doesn't have such a large footprint that steps on other buttons.

Thanx!
David

Wysocki

12-12-03, 10:49 AM

arrow key functionality would be more popular than the arrow key usage during DESIGN mode
Don't take away the arrow keys in design mode! It's the only way I can move buttons around on the screen in whole pixel increments. Using the mouse to position items is difficult since the coordinates are down to the tenth of a pixel(?) and my hand is not that steady. I'd actually like to see a "snap to grid" or else get rid of the tenths positioning (maybe a checkbox to round to nearest integer position?).

Also, I'm still waiting/wishing/hoping for some buttons that could be used for light controls. A nice up/down/bright/dim icon or two. I only have the cheap x10 controllers so the slider is a fantasy for me, but I can't find a current button shape that looks relevant to an up/down action concept.

Still on the issue of buttons, I'd like to see more buttons with a higher aspect. That is, taller or more square, with the ability to have multiple lines of text on them. It'd be nice if the text were allowed to fill closer to the edges of the buttons too.

mcascio

12-12-03, 12:55 PM

Thanks for the suggestions guys - keep 'em coming.

smoothtlk,
I've reduced the frame rate down to 25fps instead of 60 - so you should be able to integrate more effectively with MainLobby when designing your own flash files.

Wysocki,
I beat you to the punch on the rounding of the numbers. They all round off to whole numbers which makes it much easier when designing.

midi-guy

12-12-03, 12:57 PM

Mario,

Just an idea,

Instead of using the arrow keys for naviigation, can another set of keys be used?

I think having the arrow keys in design mode would be more ideal. I remember that it was added to allow for the precise placement of items on a scene.

I think the main idea here is to allow easy navigation, possibly through a remote control/wireless keyboard.

That said, how about the user being able to define in the UI or .ini file, which keystroke combinations map to which function, i.e.

KeyLeft = Left arrow or A or Ctrl-Shift-A etc
KeyRight =Right arrow or S
KeyUp = Up arrow or W
KeyDown =Down arrow or Z
KeyGo = Enter or X
KeyPageDown - Page Down or R
KeyPageUp - Page Up or F
KeyButton 1 = U
KeyButton 2 = I
KeyButton 3 = O
KeyButton 4 = P
KeyHelp = H

for ML/DVDL/MuL etc.
These basic keystrokes should allow one to navigate and use any functionality in ML suite.

This would be ideal for somthing like the Imon remote control which can map these kinds of keystroke combinations to an IR command.

smoothtlk

12-12-03, 01:13 PM

Mario,
Thanx for the FPS change! that opens up some doors for some neat stuff which I will post on Cinemar forum when they work.

I forgot to add this to the wish list - glad you didn't!

David

midi-guy

12-12-03, 01:16 PM

Actually, this brings up the issue of one of my pet peeves:) : the handling of the escape key.
Right now, the escape key quits ML/MuL etc. I think it would be far better to have the user define which key or key combination tells ML to quit.

I mistakenly press this key at least once in every session of ML that I run.

mcascio

12-12-03, 01:31 PM

Andrew,
Thanks for the suggestions. I'd thought about using other keys but I'm concerned with not breaking existing users Scenes who may already be using those shortcuts for other things.
I'm still looking into it though.

I'll see if I can add an option to select the Exit key for MainLobby.

Wysocki,
One feature that I've added to the design mode that I think speeds up button layout tremendously is that when you start dragging a button, it shows you in real-time the X Y Position of the button...before it used to show the X Y Mouse position which really doesn't help you when dropping the button.

So say you have two buttons on the Stage...you rollover one to see that it's position at a Y value of 400, just select the other button and drag it to 400. Before you could inch it there with the arrow keys but now you won't have to. With the numbers now rounded off, it's even better. I'm going to see if I can implement a multi drag. I was saving that for ML3, but it may be a quick update.

Hopefully this makes sense.

LastChoice,
We are actually splitting the Edit/Design from Launch mode for Version 3 like you've suggested - basically a MainLobby player if you will. It will make for a lighter client and allow much more flexibility.

LastChoice

12-12-03, 01:39 PM

Mario wrote:
We're working on some MainLobby updates. We have the opportunity to reinstate the arrow key functionality (using yellow outlines) but it would require temporarily giving up the ability to move buttons using the arrow keys while in navigation mode.

My guess is that the arrow key functionality would be more popular than the arrow key usage during DESIGN mode. But I thought I'd like to hear from the users first.
I've never understood why you don't just split out the Design, build, and configuration functionality from the runtime functionality and have two applications -- 1 for creating your scenes (an editor) and 1 for executing them. I've always speculated that this would solve the arrow key issues and some of the other quirks.

Many other applications work this way and I assume that you would then end up with a much "lighter" application at runtime.

Just my 2 cents :)

mcascio

12-12-03, 04:01 PM

Hi All,

Well - I've added the option to select and drag multiple buttons which makes the issue of making the keyboard to position buttons less important in my mind.

I think most were using it to get buttons to align properly and move multiple buttons all at once.

Now you just hold the control key down and select multiple buttons and drag and drop. :)

weldon

12-12-03, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by smoothtlk
Mario,
Of course the "Dynamic Text button" that can display text derived from external sources (most notably Homeseer MLServer plugin).

The ability for a two state button (Projector On / Projector Off as one example) that leverages the MLserver variables capability. Two different graphics (selectable from the library) and text for the two different states.
I don't even have MainLobby running on my TV (I'm playing with the demo) but I started to think about how I would want to use it so I could respond to your question about how to improve it. I came up with the two items that smoothtlk posted.

I'd like to have a multizone audio system running someday and it would be cool to display what each zone is playing in Mainlobby. To do that I'd need to grab the info from each client. If I start doing multiple HTPC's each capable of playing back ripped DVD's from a central server then I would like to get the movie info from each client for display in ML. I could create a screen that would display what is happening in each zone or on each client. Selecting the client would allow me to then control that client and tell it to play a different movie, album, etc.

The two-state buttons would be really nice for on/off or similar buttons. Again, with multi-zone audio or multi-client HTPC it would be nice to know the state of the components in the other room. It could also tie in really well with Home Automation.

kelliot

12-12-03, 11:11 PM

mcascio

12-13-03, 03:39 PM

Hi Weldon,

Thanks for your suggestions - some are definitely more complicated than others.

As far as music control, I think MusicLobby can handle your needs and on the fly switching of zones will allow you to see what's playing in each.

Everyone,
I've just about completed a much better and more efficient way to display the Clock now.

And there is a new textfield object that is much much better than the old...this one auto expands as you add text. It currently only supports one line of text, but I think that will cover most individuals who just want to quickly pop a label near a button. No more large box on top of your other buttons. :)

mcascio

12-15-03, 07:08 PM

Hi everyone,

Dan and I wanted to do a little something special for all of our users for the holidays. While it's not much, we've created an animation that can go into one of your FX layers in MainLobby and autoscales to your display settings.

Display it on your TV's while your entertaining during the holidays. Throw in a little background music (Bing Crosby) ala MusicLobby and you'll be the envy of all your guests.

Snow falls in a winter wonderland scene while displaying Happy Holidays!

http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/fxlayer_happyholidays.jpg

I've attached the SWF file here so everyone can download it.

Wishing everyone a safe and happy holiday season.

Funboy

12-15-03, 08:44 PM

Bing Crosby, chestnuts, tinsel and MainLobby....what a combination.

Mario, you are my God.

Can I please get a picture of you so that I can create a shrine and pray to you each and every day :-)

mcascio

12-16-03, 12:35 AM

Funboy,

Don't worry - every user will be receiving an 8x10 glossy of both Dan and I this holiday season. :)

mcascio

12-16-03, 12:51 AM

BTW, for those of you using WebLobby, a user recently requested the ability to add a button and scroll the Internet Explorer window up/down. I created a Girder GML file for this and it is available for download from the following url:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1102

mcascio

12-16-03, 01:22 PM

This latest update to MainLobby is quickly escalating to contain much more than we originally intended - but when you're on a roll - sometimes it's best to keep rolling while the momentum is there.

Here's a screenshot of a new MLServeCmd panel that will make the entry and creation of commands much easier for the novice user.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/mlservecmd.panel.jpg

Just select a command from the drop down and it will help to populate the command as well as provide sample syntax.

Funboy

12-16-03, 02:19 PM

Mario, just make sure that with all this rolling you don't roll into a pile of cow dung. We need you and the next release - not quite sure which one is more important though ;-)

BTW...any status on RecipeLobby? My wife won't let me buy another touchscreen web panel until RecipeLobby is available.

cmcjo

12-16-03, 03:49 PM

Is recipelobby for real? or was that a joke. Because it sounds like a good idea.

Hopefully recipielobby will interact with my internet refrigerator and keep an inventory of my groceries. Recipielobby can than order my groceries with my local online grocer for pickup or delivery.

mcascio

12-16-03, 04:30 PM

Hey Guys,

RecipeLobby is very real. I've got some pretty polished screenshots that still need tweaking, but the programming still needs a lot more work at this point.

We definitely will be doing this along with alot of other great ideas your ladies are gonna love.

Some of them you guys might not like as much though - post it note reminders - "HONEY - take out the trash!","Pick up the kids","Your mother-in-law is moving in" ;)

weldon

12-16-03, 05:13 PM

RecipeLobby needs to integrate with the program guide so it will record food network and Emeril when it finds a match between the program description and the contents of the fridge. TiVo doesn't have that!!!

schud

12-16-03, 05:26 PM

After RecipeLobby is integrated with RefridgeratorLobby (of course the the Networkable Fridge will also have security features such as time release locks) then you can integrate both with DietLobby, so when I step on the scale in the morning, it will lock down all compartments except for the compartments allowing me access to the "approved" menu items and ingrediants as specified within my dietary profile.

That could be a problem if the butter slot (for the popcorn, of course) is under the control of DietLobby. Of course, I am the admin, so I could have access to all food compartments anyway. :)

Maybe DietLobby isn't such a good idea after all! :D

Sorry for going too OT! ;)

smoothtlk

12-16-03, 06:02 PM

Ok, I am now ready for RecipeLobby (KitchenLobby I think is a better name). Mount pivots up undercounter when not in use. Also rotates when down for better viewing. Wife likes it for controlling MusicLobby so far. Still building her other stuff for WAF (like a flash countdown food timer).

There is also some neat "RecipeLobby" stuff going on over at the Homeseer forums.

For the folks looking at software to help make grocery lists, check out this Bluetooth laser scanner: www.flickscanner.com. I met with the company today. Works very well. If you already have a bluetooth access point or bluetooth PC adapter, then you won't need the base. $200 retail. A cabled version is $100. Cheap for a laser scanner. Very wide barcodes were an issue to scan when over 5" or so. Great majority of consumer products have smaller footprint barcodes.

schud

12-16-03, 06:10 PM

WOW! You guys are serious about this!

cmcjo

12-16-03, 06:38 PM

David, I just laughed for about 10 minutes reading your post!

smoothtlk

12-16-03, 06:46 PM

cmcjo,
Where in totowa do u live? I am originally from off Valley rd. Wayne. Now in Michigan.

BTW - u don't think I am kidding about KitchenLobby do u? ;)

EDIT: Oh - U mean Shuds (David) message. :)

David

cmcjo

12-16-03, 07:42 PM

I live about 1 mile west of Union Blvd. Stanford Court is my Street.
I was in MIchigan not too long ago to buy my car.

And no, I know you are serious about Kitchenlobby, but dietlobby is a bit off.

mcascio

12-19-03, 11:00 PM

Any one throwing a party this year for New Years?

I've started putting together a free Countdown Timer for New Years, but just want to see if anyone would use it before spending any more time on it.

I thought it might be a good screensaver on a display in the home during the party.

Here's a snapshot...if anyone is interested - just post to this thread and I'll wrap it up. :)

http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/countdown2004.jpg

neils

12-19-03, 11:02 PM

Hi folks,

I am having problems with the communication between ML and the Slinke. The only devices for which ML works with Slinke (meaning IR is sent properly) is Dishnetwork Sat receiver, and Sony DVD player (using DL). For some reason, I can’t get ML to interface and use my Slinke IR command files for my Yamaha receiver and my X10 IR543. I am able to fire off the commands through EZLearn (Slinke sw), so I know that the commands and the Slinke hookup to those devices work. So why won’t ML recognize those IR device files while it does recognize the others??
It can't be SlinkeServ because my other 2 components work fine in ML.

Is there a way that I can create a batch file to access those IR device files without using the Slinke interface in ML? If so, what would that batch file look like.

Thanks for your time,

Neil

mcascio

12-19-03, 11:06 PM

Neil,

Are you using MLServer's MLSlinke plugin to send the codes?

Have you added those devices into the MLSlinke plugin?

You shouldn't have to use a batch file at all.

Can you post the command you are trying to send?

Is it showing up in MLServer's output window log?

neils

12-19-03, 11:08 PM

I could use your help with another problem in DVDLobby.

When I installed ML & DL, I had a 640X480 monitor, now I am running a 1024X768 monitor. The problem is, when I setup the DISPLAY option properly in ML, all of my ML scenes are scaled properly except for DL. For some reason, DL scene goes beyond the display area. Then if I try to shrink it by going from 100% to 125%, it appears right aligned, with a blank space on the left. I know the problem has to be with DL because your hidden menu at the top appears scaled as well as all of my other scenes. I tried unzipping and extracting and resaving the DL files again, but that didn’t help. What do you think could be the problem?? If I X-Shift from my default scale -80 to -165 to scale DL, then everything else appears shifted.

Thanks again for your time,

Neil

mcascio

12-19-03, 11:25 PM

Neil,

Can you post all of your display settings from the Display menu?

neils

12-19-03, 11:25 PM

Hi Mario,

Wow, I get the designer himself at these late hours. Cool. Just want to be sure I understand your question. When you asked if I was using MLServer Slinke plugin and if the devices were defined in the plugin, are you refering to the OPTIONS/SLINKE screen in ML where you identify the devices and location on the SLINKE device files?? If so, then yes, they are defined, and I can see the command names from the drop down lists at the bottom in the EDIT windows, yet when I try to test the command in ML, it doesn't work. Yet, if I test the device files and commands in EZLearn, then they work. As I mentioned before, the device file you included for Sony changers works fine in ML/DL, as well as the DishNetwork device file, so I know that there is some communication happening between ML & SlinkeServ, just not for the other device files (Yamaha receiver & X10 IR543).

What log window are you referring to, the one in SlinkeServ?? I am not aware of a log window in ML.

Thanks a lot Mario, I really appreciate you taking your time to help me get this up and working!!! This has been a problem that has been lurking around for a while and now I'd like to get it resolved so that I can show off the touchscreen system and Lobby software suite over the holidays.

mcascio

12-19-03, 11:34 PM

Hi neils,

No problem...let's get you rolling before the holidays. :)

We are shifting to utilizing our software called MLServer which is different from MainLobby.

Stop by the following thread for more details:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=482

It will start to make sense once you install it. I'd recommend utilizing this for communicating with the Slinke connected devices. We will be removing the Slinke ActiveX which you are currently using from future versions.

I'd rather help you troubleshoot something that will get you headed in the right direction. :)

The log window is located in MLServer.

There's a line item just above the Slinke dropdowns you've been using called MLServeCmd.

When installing MLServer, make sure you check to install the Slinke plugin.

Once MLServer is installed, start the Server by check the start checkbox, then select MLSlinke from the plugin window and select settings. Then enter in your Devices like you did within MainLobby and configure the proper ports.

Then in a button in MainLobby you can assign the appropriate MLServeCmd:
MLServeCmd.MLSlinke|devicename:command

Using MLServer instead of MainLobby to perform this task will allow us to make MainLobby more efficient and run on thin clients as well as allow you to take advantage of all the other features/macros that MLServer offers.

neils

12-19-03, 11:41 PM

Hi again Mario,

For the scaling issue in DL, just to let you know that the top left corner is where it's suppose to be, it's the bottom right corner (bottom and right borders) that are off the screen. I need to find a way to bring the right corner of DL in without affecting the other scenes, in other words, try not to touch the settings in the DISPLAY window. By shrinking the DL scene (from 100% to 125%), that brings the right corner in but also right shifts the scene.

X Res: 1024
Y Res: 768
X Move: 0
Y Move: 0
X Scale: 80
Y Scale: 80
X Shift: -80
Y Shift: 0
DL scene: 100%

Thanks

Neil

mcascio

12-20-03, 01:07 AM

Neil,

ANy reason why you have the X Scale and Y Scale set to 80 instead of the default 62.5?

Can you post a screenshot?

mcascio

12-20-03, 01:25 AM

Well - we've been cranking out some major updates.
For those of you that have emailed with questions and support - I'll try to respond over the weekend.

Here's the current list of updates/changes that have been made and will be included in the next free upgrade of MainLobby - hopefully I haven't left too much out of the list:
> Added: Arrow Key functionality using yellow highlights (Select Highlight Button 1 and Use KBD Arrow Keys)
> Changed: Frame Rate to 25 instead of 60
> Bug Fix: MLFunction was loosing it's commands when going into the OPTIONS Panel
> Changed: Mousepointer used to hide automatically after 10 seconds, you must now check hide mouse pointer and then it will disappear after 10 seconds instead of instantly
> Added NewsGotTDEM font
> Fixed: Sorting order for Button Library (Changed to sort instead of sortOn)
> Removed: textfield Object (Didn't do anything)
> Added: Button0089a,b,c,d,e (Arrow Navigation & Enter Button)
> RemoveHighlight object (used to remove highlights when editing around buttons) is no longer tabEnabled for tab key users
> Removed: MLSeerCmd from launching process (unknown to user)
> Bug Fix: Highlight focus on the first button doesn't occur until all buttons are loaded on the stage (yellow outline)
> Moved Library and Align Panel to frame 2 (it was showing up when selecting highlight1st button from DISPLAY panel otherwise)
> Bug Fix: If the last button entered had an alpha less than 100%, the next scenes first button would retain that same level of transparency
> Added: LibraryFlags.swf graphics library
> Changed: Display Coordinates round to the nearest whole number (Modified actiondata.as)>Math.round()
> Changed: Copyright in ABOUT US to 2002-2004
> Removed: Tabbing Arrow key navigation in the Main Menu Bar that slides down
> Removed: MLSeerCmds references when saving to MLS files
> Added: Toggle Preview Button On/Off option
> Changed: Enlarged font beneath Library Thumbnail Icons
> Changed: Modified font labels in the Button Properties Panel
> Bug Fix: Arrow keys work when editing text fields in Button Properties Panel
> Added: _root.MLlockOutUsers feature which prevents users from accessing Design/Edit mode of MainLobby
> Added: Multi Drag functionality
> Added: New Library Objects: Date.Date, Date.Day, Date.Month, Date.Year, Date.MonthDate, Date.MonthDateYear, Time.HoursMinutes, Text.SingleLine (LibraryMainlobby.swf)
> Removed: the following MainLobby Library Objects:Time.Seconds, Time.Hour, Time.Minutes, Time.:, Time.Year
> Added: Faster Initial Load time on MainLobby
> Added: Masking to Library Graphics to prevent text labels from extending beyond thumbnail box
> Added: New MLServeCmd Panel
> Modified keyboard shortcuts to prevent caching and duplicate listeners (Should improve performance during extended usage)
> Added: New Startup Options Panel
> Added: MLServer Domain and Port configuration to Startup Options Panel
> Added: Option to disable ESC key for exiting MainLobby
> Added: Configure MLServer serverDomain and serverPort (writes to mlserverconnect.ini)
> Added: Comment regarding deprecation of Girder Events through command lines (ieventc.exe)
> Added: Reload FX Layer Button on Scene Panel
> Added: x and y positioning for BackgroundFX layer
> Added: Option to select current scene as Startup Scene
> Added: Brought back arrow key functionality while in design mode to move buttons around the stage

I'm going to give everything a once over to make sure there are no blairing errors and also need to add a few things for dynamic variables yet.

Some of the major updates include arrow key functionality while in Launch mode (and I was able to keep the arrow key for use within Design mode for moving buttons). Also a multi drag feature while in design mode is very nice. A lot of fixes were made which should hopefully improve the performance and processor usage during short and long periods of time.

The Library also has a new Text.SingleLine object which is so much better than the old Textfield object. Just type in the text and it autoscales to the length of your text.

Users can now lock out friends/family/customers from changing scenes by preventing them from accessing the design/edit screens and locking them into Launch mode only.

boykster

12-20-03, 02:49 AM

go to bed...it's friday nite...

Rich

Funboy

12-20-03, 10:27 AM

Hey Mario.

In regards to the New Years Countdown, I'd love to get it. But instead of a screensaver I would prefer it to be an actual scene that I can keep loaded.

Thanks.

mcascio

12-20-03, 12:26 PM

Rich,
Punch out time 'round here is about 4am. ;)

Funboy,
The countdown timer is not really a screensaver. It can be loaded into any FX layer and will autoscale to your display settings in MainLobby.

At midnight, it flashes Happy New Year & then 2004 in big bold 3D letters.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/countdown2004.jpg

Users can download this freebie for a limited time from the following url:
http://www.cinemaronline.com/downloads/fx_newyearcountdown.zip

It will probably be taken off the server after New Years.

I'm thinking of setting it up in the foyer on my ProGear as visitors arrive. :)

neils

12-20-03, 07:13 PM

Hi Mario,

I finally got the scaling thing sorted out with DL. When I had my 640X480 monitor, I had the X & Y scale set to 80 and then scaled down the scenes (OPTIONS) to 80%. When you mentioned the default X & Y scale was 62.5, that got me thinking, so I set it to default, brought all of my ML scenes up to 100%, and voila, now my DL scene is scaled and centered, along with all of my other ML scenes.

Thanks for the tip, everything looks great now!!!!

Neil

neils

12-20-03, 07:41 PM

I'm half way there, display scaling issue solved, now to work out my final problem. I installed MLserver, enabled the Slinke plugin, started the server at the top, and went to define my Slinke device files. I noticed something that may cause a problem for me:

For the Slinke port, I noticed that you only have a choice of IR ports 0-7 and S-Link ports 0-3, what about port 4080?? I am using the hardwired solution out of my Slinke going to a Xantech bus of IR emitters (labelled IR Zone 1). What's even more strange is that if I assign the default port 0, then when I go to test an IR command, the log file shows that my first device is sending on Port 0 and the next 3 devices are sending on Port 16, even though I have them set to default Port 0. Why the change in ports in the log??

I have tried all of the IR and S ports in the Slinke device setup and none of the IR tests pass. Is this because I cannot define port 4080?? If that's the case, is there a way for me to jump a wire from IR zone 0 (IR emmiter port) into the IR Zone 1 bus?? I shouldn't have to though, since I am able to send all of my IR commands successfully over IR Zone 1 through EZLearn (Slinke).

I'll assume that the server port (on top) has nothing to do with all of this, that's it's simply a generic number used to sychronize with clients when they are connected. I have it set to 5004.

Thanks

Neil

mcascio

12-20-03, 08:06 PM

Hi Neil,

I've asked the author of the slinke plugin to add this, but he's been pretty busy.

In order to define port 4080, just edit the mlserver.ini file located at:
c:\program files\mlserver

You'll see a line item:
DevicePort003=4080

The DevicePort # will vary depending upon the number of devices you've added.

Then save the file. That should do the trick for you. I fumbled around with it too and then just manually did the steps above.

Glad to hear your scaling issues are now fixed.

mcascio

12-20-03, 08:10 PM

Can anyone who has tested the Countdown timer let me know if the LCD font is displaying correctly? It's possible that it might be using a substitute. I just want to make sure it's displaying on user systems without that font. :)

Funboy

12-20-03, 08:12 PM

Mario, the new years countdown seems to be working beautifully.

I notice no problems with the LED countdown.

My wife loves it.

Thanks.

mcascio

12-20-03, 08:16 PM

Funboy,

Thanks for the feedback.

I don't know if your wife will still like it when she finds out that at midnight on New Years I come out on the screen dressed as Baby New Year in my birthday suit. :)

Funboy

12-20-03, 08:19 PM

Holy Cr*p!!!

I'm removing that dang thing right now!! ;-)

mcascio

12-20-03, 08:21 PM

OK - I was just kidding...it's not me in the birthday suit...it's Dan. :)

PabloReiter

12-21-03, 09:46 AM

Mario,

Watch out, that can be considered a terrorist act these days!!! Specially on New Year's eve! FBI will be coming for u!

Pablo

mcascio

12-22-03, 03:38 PM

Ok Guys...it's now available for download. Login and grab the latest.

MainLobby 2.50 Released (12/22/03)
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Files that have changed:
updates_to_manual.txt (this file)
mainlobby.exe
mlserverconnect.swf
happyholidays.mls
mainlobby2_skin12.mls
Library\LibraryMainLobby.swf
Library\LibraryComponents.swf
Library\LibraryFlags.swf
Library\LibraryLogos01.swf
BackgroundFX\fxlayer_happyholidays.swf
screensavers\screensaver_raindrops.swf
screensavers\screensaver_snow.swf
screensavers\screensaver_snowflake.swf
screensavers\screensaver_spotlight.swf

MainLobby Version 2.50 Updates/Additions/Changes
=================================================
> Changed: Frame Rate to 25 instead of 60 (increases Performance)
> Bug Fix: MLFunction dropdown was loosing it's commands when going into the OPTIONS Panel
> Changed: Mousepointer used to hide automatically after 10 seconds, you must now check hide mouse pointer and then it will disappear after 10 seconds instead of instantly
> Added NewsGotTDEM font
> Fixed: Sorting order for Button Library (Changed to sort instead of sortOn)
> Removed: textfield Object (Didn't do anything)
> Added: Button0089a,b,c,d,e (Arrow Navigation & Enter Button)
> Changed: RemoveHighlight object (used to remove highlights when editing around buttons) is no longer tabEnabled for tab key users
> Removed: MLSeerCmd from launching process (unknown to user)
> Bug Fix: Highlight focus on the first button doesn't occur until all buttons are loaded on the stage (yellow outline)
> Changed: Moved Library and Align Panel to frame 2 (it was showing up when selecting highlight1st button from DISPLAY panel otherwise)
> Bug Fix: If the last button entered had an alpha less than 100%, the next scenes first button would retain that same level of transparency
> Added: LibraryFlags.swf graphics library
> Changed: Display Coordinates round to the nearest whole number (Modified actiondata.as)>Math.round()
> Changed: Copyright in ABOUT US to 2002-2004
> Removed: Tabbing Arrow key navigation in the Main Menu Bar that slides down
> Removed: MLSeerCmds references when saving to MLS files
> Added: Toggle Preview Button On/Off option
> Changed: Enlarged font beneath Library Thumbnail Icons
> Changed: Modified font labels in the Button Properties Panel
> Bug Fix: Arrow keys work when editing text fields in Button Properties Panel
> Added: Arrow Key functionality using yellow highlights (Select Highlight Button 1 and Use KBD Arrow Keys)
> Added: _root.MLlockOutUsers feature which prevents users from accessing Design/Edit mode of MainLobby
> Added: Multi Drag functionality
> Added: New Library Objects: Date.Date, Date.Day, Date.Month, Date.Year, Date.MonthDate, Date.MonthDateYear, Time.HoursMinutes,
Text.SingleLine (LibraryMainlobby.swf)
> Removed: the following MainLobby Library Objects:Time.Seconds, Time.Hour, Time.Minutes, Time.:, Time.Year
> Added: Faster Initial Load time on MainLobby
> Added: Applied Masking to Library Graphics to prevent text labels from extending beyond thumbnail box
> Added: New MLServeCmd Panel
> Modified keyboard shortcuts to prevent caching and duplicate listeners (Should improve performance during extended usage)
> Added: New Startup Options Panel
> Added: MLServer Domain and Port configuration to Startup Options Panel
> Added: Option to disable ESC key for exiting MainLobby
> Added: Configure MLServer serverDomain and serverPort (writes to mlserverconnect.ini)
> Added: Comment regarding deprecation of Girder Events through command lines (ieventc.exe)
> Added: Reload FX Layer Button on Scene Panel
> Added: x and y positioning for BackgroundFX layer
> Added: Option to select current scene as Startup Scene
> Added: Brought back arrow key functionality while in design mode to move buttons around the stage (DesignListener in HighlightDesign()
> Added: Sony CX777ES DVD Changer to System Components Library
> Changed: Entire Component library to fix for arrow key navigation
> Changed: Following buttons modified to work with Arrow keys (Button0017, Button0018, Button0018b)
> Added: Copy/Paste functionality added to text fields

The easiest way may be to install in another folder and then copy the files that have changed or been updated to your existing Cinemar folder.

mikemav

12-22-03, 03:46 PM

Mario-

I was on a 30-day trial of the Lobby suite, and the good news I am going to buy! I will take care of that on your web-site. I may hold off on music lobby for now, we'll see. Anway, my bad news is a had some unrealted stability problems with my PC, and I had to do a XP restore point for about two weeks ago (about the same time I installed the trials.) I still see most of the Cinemar software on my C drive, but I cannot find MLServer and am not sure if the rest will run since I did the restore. What is my best move forward? I did not have a lot customized in the trial, so if deleting everything and starting fresh from the version I am about to buy is best, let me know. Thanks

smoothtlk

12-22-03, 04:07 PM

mikemav,
Here are the files you put some time into:

For Mainlobby:
mainlobby.ini
copy your .mls scenes you created

For MLServer
mlserverconnect.ini (has your slinke and MlServeCmd settings)

For DVDLobby
dvdlobby3.ini on client
dvdlobbytransportcontrols.ini
dvd.mdb on the mlserver

For MusicLobby
musiclobby.ini

For WebLobby
weblobby.ini

So, back these files up, download the latest and replace these files over the install same files.

You should be back up and running.

mikemav

12-22-03, 06:19 PM

Thanks for the info Smoothtlk.

Anothe question for all: Right now I am running the client and server on the same PC since I only have one modern computer. When I build my HTPC, I will have two, so go to a 2 client/ 1 server setup. Question is, in MLServer, can I have one client PC play DVD files using one method/command, and another client PC play them another way? I have one myHD hi-def card now, which also makes a very nice hardware decoder. My default command in DVD Lobby is to play the file, which is associated with the myHD card. I do not neccessairly want to buy a second card for DVD playback in the second HTPC, so in that one I want to try software DVD player. Can I specify that one client uses the myHD card and another a software player? Are there MLServer DVD lobby plug-in settings for each client indivudually when you have more than one client, or how does this work?

smoothtlk

12-22-03, 08:18 PM

mikemav,
yes, you can.
MLServer supports Conditional commands (If, Then, Else) So, you can send a variable to MLServer ("Theater"). Then the DVDLobby plugin MLServeCmd is coded to say "If "location" = "Theater" then launch ZoomPlayer, otherwise, launch the other player.
MLServer also suports Redirect - so you can send the command to any PC on the network to launch that PCs player (whichever you want).

Currently there is no direct plugin for myHD card. You would have to check if the software that the hardware functions with will accept command line actions. Then it is straightforward.

All of the above takes some funky syntax to get working right. Thankfully for you, I have gotten it to work and it is posted on the Cinemaronline forum. Search for posts by "smoothtlk" and "redirect" in the MLServer thread.

mcascio

01-16-04, 04:30 PM

Date: 01/16/04
Product: WebLobby Version 1.10

Registered WebLobby users can visit the Cinemar login page to download this latest update. Just extract the files to your Cinemar folder. Please back-up the file weblobby.ini to maintain your current settings for

- Added Files: weblobby1.swf, weblobby1.ini, weblobby_cam1.mls, weblobby_cam2.mls, (replace weblobby.swf)
- New Features: You can now have two different browser windows that change size and/or dimension when switching scenes. The variables for weblobby1.swf are contained within weblobby1.ini and need to be edited using notepad.

Load weblobby_cam1.mls and switch back and forth between the different cam 1 and cam 2 buttons to see how it works. You'll notice the scene for Cam 1 has weblobby.swf in the backgroundFX layer, while Cam 2 scene has weblobby1.swf in the backgroundFX layer.

Known Bugs: When entering EDIT mode then selecting a button, a large white square appears on top of the stage and requires exiting MainLobby in order to remove the square. In order to work-around this bug, when using WebLobby, do not EDIT a button and switch scenes. Once you have the scenes designed and saved, restart MainLobby if you enter EDIT mode and the mysterious white box won't appear.

Note: This upgrade does not allow users to display two different browser windows simultaneously.

Wysocki

01-17-04, 12:55 PM

Mario:
I opened weblobby_cam1.mls then switched to CAM2 and the web window size changed as it should have.
If I open weblobby_cam2.mls first then switch to CAM1 the window size remains the same size as weblobby_cam2.mls.

mcascio

01-17-04, 01:00 PM

Terry,

I just tested it...I'm not able to replicate that.

Did you replace weblobby.swf?

Can anyone else confirm if they are able to reproduce the problem?

mikemav

01-17-04, 02:56 PM

Hi-
I am new to this, but love what Main Lobby/ server/ DVD lobby can do for me so far. One question is about Microsoft Remote Desktop connection and how all of this plays into controlling my HTPC from a laptop. I run XP pro and can connect to my main HTPC from any of my other computers, including my wife and my Mac laptops (MS RDC client for Mac works smokin fast....kills Virtual PC)
Anyway, since RDC is serves as kind of my IP based KVM switcher, I often control the PC from the laptop. The only issue I have recently noticed now that I am moving the PC from my office to my theater is that RDC cuts off the monitor connected to the server PC when it is being controlled by the client. Whatever monitor is connected to my PC when I log in from a remote machine goes black. I'm trying to figure otu the best way around this since I now want to use DVD Lobby on this PC. Sometimes I may want to select and start up a movie using my laptop connected via RDC to the HTPC, or sometimes I may want to use the HTPC and a remote or wireless keyboard. Is there a way to use RDC and still be able to see from the monitor connected to the video card of the PC being controlled by RDC? What if I run DVD Lobby and my DVD player on a second montior out or TV out from my video card? I have not tried hooking up to anything but the VGA out. I wonder if I hook up the living room display to one of these aux outs and configure it right, will they still show up when I RDC into the PC? I am using a Radeon 9600 with VGA/ DVI and S-video out.

I suppose another way would be to use MLServer and somehow control DVD lobby from another PC I have (with RDC) and have the main HTPC just show the movies and not DVD lobby itself. Sounds kind of complicated. I have two VGA inputs on my theater display, so I could send a switch to the display to show either PC depending on the needs.

If anyone has any hints or experience using RDC, multi-monitor video cards and Main Lobby I would appreciate tips. Thanks.

jwaters

01-17-04, 04:53 PM

mikemav -

This has been discussed at some length on AVS and on the cinemar forums, but I think the best solution currently is to use ThinSoft's WinConnect Server XP - which will allow multiple RDC connections w/out locking the main console.

There is talk that XP's upcoming SP2 will allow at least one connection w/out locking the console also. I believe some people w/ MSDN subscriptions have confirmed this on the beta release.

I just upgraded my MainLobby setup with a touchscreen, which I'm using as the secondary monitor, displaying MainLobby all the time, while my media is played on the TV.

mcascio

01-19-04, 08:49 AM

mikemav,

Like jwaters suggested, ThinSoft is definitely top choice for what you are trying to do.

If MS does allow multiple connections in the next SP release, that would be great!

mikemav

01-19-04, 09:10 AM

Thanks for the advice guys. I think for now I will just use the MLServer Redirect command to control my HTPC from my office PC. I can RDC into the office PC and not care if the display there gets cut off. If I want to browse/ control DVD Lobby directly from the HTPC sometime, I will just run DVD Lobby on that machine and use a local keyboard or remote. Thanks

Now that I have redirect working, I need to play with MLConditional to tell the office PC if I ever want to play movies locally in the office. I think smoothtlk has a thread on how to do this on the Cinemar board. I will try to follow along.

mikemav

01-19-04, 08:50 PM

I have my DVD Lobby plug-in for Theatertek worrking in MLserver. However, when I am playing a movie file (<<title>>VIDEO_TS.ifo) and I select another movie with a correct file path programmed into DVD Lobby, it will not stop the current movie and play the new movie. I am guessing this is a function of Theatertek and how it loads/ plays files. What is the best workaround? My default movie play command is now MLServeCmd.MLRedirect|htpc::5004::MLServeCmd.MLFileOpen|<<FILE>>

(I use the redirect since I want to play the movies on another PC from the one I am controlling, and that works fine.)

What do I need to do to Theatertek to get it to recognize that I want to play another file while one is currently playing? Even if I hit stop, it will not load the new file when directed by DVD lobby.

Also, what are people using for the Power remote command on Theatertek. I did not see an EXIT or CLOSE on the Theatertek MLServer plug-in command list. How would I get the Power button on the DVD Lobby remote to close Theatertek?

mcascio

01-19-04, 09:02 PM

Hi mikemav,

See the help file on the DVDLobby page:
http://www.cinemaronline.com/dvdlobbypro.html

Look in the play behavior/building commands section for TheaterTek examples.

There is an EXIT Theatertek command which is required when a movie is playing. A macro is prebuilt and can be modified with your redirect command.

Basically you need to exit then pause for about a second before launching the IFO file.

The help file will help spell it out for you.

mcascio

01-19-04, 09:24 PM

mcascio

01-21-04, 04:53 PM

For all those wondering how the Lobby Suite comes together - I've created a diagram that illustrates from the basic software architecture side at least how all the pieces communicate and talk to each other. I'll keep modifying it and maybe eventually put it into a Flash format so users can mouse over areas for more details as well as integrate hardware into the diagram. I just don't want to show too much all at once otherwise people become intimidated.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/cinemarsoftwarearchitecture.jpg

mcascio

02-03-04, 12:11 PM

We've recently opened up a new Product Development area on the Cinemar forum and have had several new drivers popup recently for MLserver and the rest of the Lobby Suite.

For those interested, two of the most recent are for:
> Global Cache (http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1405)
> D.Vine Parallel Port VFD (http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1406)

Dave is looking for beta testers if anyone is anxious to get their hands on them.

Those of you not familiar with the Global Cache, it allows you to connect their hardware device to a network and distribute IR/RS232/Relays. You can cut/paste Pronto CCF codes into the Plugin.

I haven't heard of anyone having problems with the Sony CX777ES driver - so it sounds like it's running smoothly for everyone.

mikemav

02-03-04, 09:25 PM

Mario-

Glad to see the MLServer developement is going well. I am continually amazed at the value of your software for the price!

Could you update us on the USB-UIRT plug-in progress? Those of us newbies that have not dug into Girder are really looking forward to this direct IR approach.

Also, could someone look into the DVD controls for the myHD HDTV tuner card? There have been quite a few active threads here about the quality of the image when watching DVD (files or discs) via the myHD, which scales the output to HD resolutions with hardware decoding, 19 tap filter, etc... Merits of hardware vs. software DVD decoding aside, it would be really nice for those of us who want to play DVDs (or HD files for that matter) via myHD to have transport controlls via DVD Lobby/ MLServer plug-in (ala Theatertek & Zoom player.) I believe there is command line control over the software, and I know there are keyboard shortcuts, as well as the remote the card ships with. The new beta version (see info here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=354760&highlight=myHD+beta) and here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=347087&highlight=myHD+beta) ) has DVD menu control as well as transport controls. Sure would be nice to integrate this into the DVD Lobby on-screen remote via an MLServer plug-in. I have even used DVD Lobby to show "covers" I have created for some of my permanant HDTV archive files. After all, DVD Lobby does not have to be limited to playing VOB and IFO files. If your HTPC can play other items, like HDTV transport streams, there is no reason not to include those in my database of available movies. Just takes a little more work to create a cover art file and databse entry for the HD captures I want to list in DVD Lobby. Now if theLobby suite could eventually sync up to the "file list" of stored captures myHD creates, that would really be cool, but for now they can always be added manually. Transport controls is really the key missing link.

mcascio

02-05-04, 10:18 PM

mikemav,

The original developer that was working on the USBUIRT plugin is currently seeking employment so I he's got some other things on his plate.

I did hear another developer mention he's going to write one - he recently wrote the Global Cache plugin and that didn't take him too long. I believe he's awaiting the arrival of the USB-UIRT and my guess is he'll probably have something ready in about 2 weeks.

mcascio

02-05-04, 10:24 PM

Just so you guys don't think we fell asleep at the wheel. (Excuse the Pun) :)
We still don't get out at night, all our friends stopped calling us now and sleep is still optional. :)

=========================

Cinemar, Inc. is pleased to announce the pending release of a new product aimed at the automotive market - code named "Cruise Control". Designed for use in an automotive setting (7" touch screens), this new system incoporates music, video and XM Radio media players, as well as GPS Navigation support, a built-in Photo Browser, Web Browser, Sports info and weather/information center.

"In designing a system for the vehicle, we were able to deliver a feature-rich software environment built for smaller displays into a well-planned navigation structure." says Mario Cascio. "We're very excited to be offering this product to the public through a network of distribution partners, allowing us to serve this key market while continuing to focus our energies on our existing home integration market."

Daniel Reicher adds "By building an all-in-one solution, we've been able to deliver a consistent look and feel while still allowing the end user to quickly and easily customize the system to their taste and lifestyle.".

Screen shots as well as a list of Network Distribution Partners will be available when the product is officially released.

Features include:
Smart, Ergonomic Design
Consistent look for easy navigation
Music Player
Listen to hard-drive or CD music
Build playlists quickly and easily
Browse music by album, artist, genre, etc.
View music library by album cover
Built-in equalizer

Video Browser
Launch a hard-drive based home movie or DVD
Built-in Media Player with ability to view/hide transport controls

XM Radio Player
Control your XM Radio PCR

Web Browser
Integrated browser for navigating the internet
Ability to add/delete and navigate to your Favorite links quickly

Sports
View the latest sports scores and game schedules

Photo Browser
View photos from your hard drive or connected camera
Support for over 20 image formats; including: .jpg, .tif, .bmp, .gif and many more
Zoom / Rotate

Weather Information
Up to the minute conditions and 10-day forecast information

GPS Navigation Support
Launch any GPS program
Switch between GPS and the system quickly and easily

Setup and Configuration
Many, many settings for adjusting colors and system structure from an intuitive setup interface

Miscellaneous
Built-in "Clean Screen" mode that locks out the interface to allow the user to wipe their touchscreen systems without affecting system operation

Auto-Dim feature allows the user to automatically dim the screen at user-defined times

mikemav

02-06-04, 08:05 AM

WOW MARIO- talk about irony. I have just been really getting into what the Main Lobby Suite can do for me, and wished my car had similar capabilities. I have a 2004 Acura TSX, which has a huge 8" widescreen touch LCD in the dash. The Acura GPS w/ voice navagition (developed w/ Alpine) works great, especially the voice recognition, however...... There are several of us on a TSX forum that have been trying to hack the DVD-Rom based system to be able to show pictures, web content, etc.. on this awesome screen. Is your plan to only work with aftermarket stereo manufacturers, with auto makers, or to have an add-on kit that can work with factory systems such as mine? I know, for example, there are several TSX and Honda drivers with a third-party product that gets video inputs into the screen (as an aux input)...they have then connected a modded Xbox, small PC, or just a mobile DVD player for added content. The issue is that is is a totall yseperate system except for the display. None of the touch screen functions can work with it, etc.. Tying this all together is a much needed solution for us early adotpers.

Wysocki

02-06-04, 11:11 AM

Really cool features, Mario, but how about a couple of details like:

1. Is it hardware, software or both?
2. What kind of hardware environment is needed going in?

I have a Benz coupe with a crappy radio and I'm on the verge of getting something installed. I Was thinking of an Eclipse 8443 receiver with voice commander, gps, and xm. But if I could include a screen with these capabilities, I'd be interested.

mzemina

02-06-04, 11:59 AM

Mario,

After seeing what Andy Forget did with his 55 Buick (http://www.55buick.com/Carputer/carputer.htm) - I'm not surprised. But I would think you need to bundle the hardware to make this effective!

Mike Zemina

dreicher

02-06-04, 12:44 PM

This system will be bundled with hardware by our distribution partners. Currently, the system I'm working on is a:

(1) Via EPIA M1000 / 512MB / 60GB HD / DVD / Windows XP
(1) XM PCR
(1) Xantech 7" Touchscreen monitor
(1) Enfora GSM/GPRS Serial phone
(1) Earthmate USB GPS Antenna

We've designed this system as an integrated system from the ground up, relying only on J. River for music catalogging/playback and Co-Pilot 7 for navigation. Even the video player is home-brewed for the 7" touchscreen.

Look for further details very soon.

Dan

mcascio

02-06-04, 07:14 PM

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for...screenshots. :)

Home Page
http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/carpc_home.jpg

Music (Now Playing)
http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/carpc_music1.jpg

Music (Thumbnails)
http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/carpc_music2.jpg

XM Satellite Radio
http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/carpc_xmradio.jpg

Video/Movie Player
http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/carpc_video.jpg

Browse Photos (Multiple Formats Supported)
http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/carpc_photo.jpg

Navigate the Web
http://www.cinemaronline.com/avsforum/carpc_web.jpg

I didn't include a screen shot of the CoPilot software. You can jump back and forth seamlessly between their software and ours. Also missing are Weather and Sports Scores screenshots.

mikemav

02-06-04, 07:39 PM

Ok, now you're making me crazy. Figure out a way to make this work with my factory Acura 8" touchscreen and the GPS I already have and I'll write you a blank check (almost!)

Wysocki

02-06-04, 08:03 PM

Looks great but I don't know about the web browsing bit: Bandwidth is real narrow and my fingertips are real wide :p

Hey, Mario, how about starting a new thread for this? This one's getting pretty long and broad.

mcascio

02-20-04, 02:11 PM

We've added 7 additional logos to the Network Logo Library as well as fixed a few bugs found in the last version.

Date: 02/20/04
Product: Network Logo Library (US)

Added: UPN 38 Boston
Added: WB56 Boston
Added: WBZ Boston CBS 4
Added: WCVB TV Boston 5
Added: WFXT Boston Fox 25
Added: WGBH Boston
Added: WHDH Boston

Fixed: Fox Sports Espanol
Fixed: NHL Network
Fixed: SportsI ESPN

Users can download the update by logging in to the Cinemar Login page. Just replace the swf library file with the new one then restart MainLobby.

For a complete listing visit: http://www.cinemaronline.com/guigraphix.networklogosus.listing.html

mcascio

02-20-04, 11:58 PM

This was taken from Dave's post at the Cinemar forum and we're still looking for additional beta testers to put the Global Cache through its paces:

Here is the next major update to the Global Cache plugin. The plugin now supports both the IR and serial reports on the network adapters.

This update also includes a new database for storing your commands. The database structure has changed from the previous release. So you'll have to re-enter your commands. Sorry about that.

The plugin supports two commands SENDIR and SENDIO. Use SENDIR to control the IR ports and SENDIO to control the serial ports.

The included database has a special device called CS777EX. This device contains special processing for the Sony DVD changer. The database has entries preloaded that covers all the basic commands to control the changer.

Serial data can be defined as ASCII or Hex. The plugin will convert the data as necessary.

Place the .MDB file in the MLServer data folder and the MLGC100.dll in the plugins folder. You may have the register the dll file prior to using it. See my previous post for registration instructions.

This is a beta release of the plugin. Please post all feedback, bugs, enhancement requests to this forum.

--

The plugin can be downloaded from:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1405

mcascio

03-28-04, 08:22 PM

Hi everyone,

Dave has posted several updates to the Global Cache plugin recently and has also just released a USB-UIRT plugin for MainLobby.

Details follow:
Here is the initial release of the USB-UIRT plugin for MLServer

This version supports the following feature set.

1) IR commands are stored in an internal database. You create device entries with associated IR commands. IR commands can be stored in Pronto or USB-UIRT raw format. IR commands can be learned during the data entry process. You can import and export device command files to share with others.

2) There is a macro facility built into the plug-in. It is possible to build powerful macros and store them as a single plugin command. Macros can contain internal plugin and external MLServer commands. For example consider the following macro named Play DVD defined as:

SendIR~HDTV~Power On
Delay~5
SendIR~HDTV~Input 1
Delay~2
MLServeCmd.MLTheaterTek|Play

Sending the MLServer command MLServeCmd.MLUSBUIRT|DoMacro~Play DVD will execute the macro. All macros are stored in the internal database and you can import and export macros for sharing with others.

3) Event processing. You can assign a macro to a button on your remote control. This is done when you create the macro. All you need to do is press the button on your remote that you want to associate with the macro. Once the macro has been saved pressing the button on the remote will automatically fire the macro.

During data entry devices and macros are shown using an expandable folder list. Right-clicking on elements in the folder list will expose context sensitive commands.

This plugin supports the following commands:

SendIR~<device>~<command>
Delay~<seconds>
DoMacro~<macro name>

To use this plugin place the MLUSBUIRT.dll file in your plugins folder and put the USBUIRT.mdb file in the MLServer data folder.

Don't forget to register this dll with Windows by doing a RegSvr32 "C:\Program Files\MLServer\Plugins\MLUSBUIRT.dll"

This plugin should be considered beta software. To use this plugin you must first install the device drivers supplied with the USB-UIRT.

Girder users please note. You MUST disable the USB-UIRT plugin in Girder before you try using this plugin in MLServer. This plugin DOES NOT support sharing itself with Girder.

Get the plugin from:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1699&highlight=

mcascio

04-01-04, 09:34 PM

Released: 04/01/04

BUG FIX: Function Keys were not working properly

Install the software into a new folder like CinemarInstall.

Then copy mainlobby.exe into your old Cinemar folder.

Also, Dave has created another plugin for the Russound CAV 6.6 Whole House Audio/Video Distribution sytem.

This will allow you to control the Russound just like the UNO keypads.
For more info, visit this thread:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1597

mcascio

04-08-04, 03:02 PM

MainLobby Server v. 1.3.0 is now available for download.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/mlserver.html

Among some pretty significant changes to the server to make bidirectional communication with MainLobby clients possible, some other changes have been implemented - including:

+Added an optional timeout field to the MSG command

Users may now use MLServeCmd.MLCmd|MSG~client~Title~Message~timeout to have the message box disappear automatically after n seconds in your clients (requires MainLobby 2.6 which will be made available shortly).

-Removed registration system

We will be implementing the registration system with the launch of ML3. In the meantime, MLServer will not expire

+Increased max client connections to 10
+Added 2-way communication system
-Removed Global Cache GC-100 plug-in and MLHomeseer plug-in from the installer. We will be creating a page where you can access these and other 3rd party plug-ins.

Instead of waiting for MainLobby 3.0 to be completed, Cinemar has released updates to MainLobby Server (version 1.3.0) and will soon release MainLobby 2.6 with (among other things) basic 2-way communication.

The 2-way communication system works by populating variables and values in MLServer and propagating those values to connected clients. This method allows the user to maintain variable values across clients, scene changes, even exiting and restarting the client. This system allows plug-in writers to populate variables and users to display those variable values in their MainLobby clients in real-time. As changes happen, the information is updated at the server and any connected clients.

Users may also change variable values via http or command-line calls for use in batch files, external programs (ie, Girder, etc.). Syntax:

http://SERVER:6246/command?setVariable|variablename~variablevalue

or

mlserver.exe "MLServeCmd.SetVariable|variablename~variablevalue"

In MainLobby, users will be able to use the values of a variable as the label of any button or text field in the MainLobby library. This requires MainLobby 2.6.

What can you do with it?

Using a plug-in or Girder, users could keep an update of their receiver volume level and show it as a value in MainLobby, along with buttons for changing volume. Using Girder and DVDSpy, users could see status of popular programs like TheaterTek or ZoomPlayer in MainLobby. Cinemar has created a simple plug-in to showcase this new feature that allows the user to enter up to 10 stock symbols that will populate variables for current price and amount of change that a user could utilize to keep track of their portfolio in a MainLobby scene. Plug-ins for home automation systems are currently being written that will allow users to not only change the status of devices, but also view their current status in real-time from their MainLobby scenes. The possibilities are only limited by one's imagination.

Viewing the variable's value in a button or text field is as simple as enterring {{variablename}} as the label for the button or text field. Users can still move the element around the stage, scale it, change it's properties, etc. as if the label was static.

This marshalls in a new and exciting chapter in the evolution of MainLobby and I hope everyone finds this system to be very useful and powerful. As we continue to move toward MainLobby 3 - we will continue to expand the power of this system in many, many ways to allow for graphical representations of variable values (light on/light off). In the meantime, enjoy!

mikemav

04-08-04, 08:19 PM

Can Dan or Mario explain the best upgrade method when these new apps come out? Use this one as an example. I want to upgrade, but I want to make sure I do it in a way that preserves the data I already have entered into MLS, such as my movie database, default commands, host setups, and DVD remote commands, etc..

Same goes for when an improvement comes along like the newer version of the DVD_lobby_TV scene or ML 2.50d a week or two ago. How do I add/upgrade those files without breaking anything?

smoothtlk

04-08-04, 08:50 PM

Mikemav,
I replied to your question in the Cinemar forum:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1779&start=15

Actually, you can just install over the old install with "no fear". Dan advises if he updates a user configured file in the install directions (which this version doesn't apparantly do).

For double safety, copy your MLServer directory to another directory and then do the install and your MainLobby life should be better.

orbitzboy

04-08-04, 09:09 PM

I love you Mario.....

Variable handling is what I've been dying for. I created this complete kludge using Girder & text files that is so complex, everytime I touch it, I break something.

Will the variable retain "state" info upon reboot? If not, I'm sure I can code around using batch files, but that sure would be nice.

mcascio

04-09-04, 01:43 AM

OK Folks - it's finally here. BiDirectional communication in MainLobby. Best of all - it's a free upgrade. ;)

Check the mainlobby2_2way.mls file for a quick sample. Really the possibilities are endless and you'll really start to see some exciting things.

MainLobby 2.60
Features:
> Bidirectional communication with the MLServer (requires MLServer 1.3.0 or higher)
> MLServeCmd's can be issued on Scene startup and Exit (Options > Scene > More)
> In Edit Mode, an option to autopopulate the text "MLServeCmd." in the MLServeCmd field

File Updates/Additions
> Added: mainlobby2_2way.mls
> Added: Library\LibraryCustom02.swf
> Added: Library\LibraryCustom03.swf
> Updated: Entire Library Folder contents
> Updated: Mainlobby.exe
> Updated: mlserverconnect.swf
> Updated: updates_to_manual.txt

Upgrading to Version 2.60
> Backup all MLS files and ini files in your Cinemar folder before
> installing to a separate directory
> Install MainLobby 2.60 by clicking on the setup.exe file overwriting the existing location
> Copy the files from the first step back into the Cinemar folder overwriting the files

mcascio

04-09-04, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by orbitzboy
I love you Mario.....

Variable handling is what I've been dying for. I created this complete kludge using Girder & text files that is so complex, everytime I touch it, I break something.

Will the variable retain "state" info upon reboot? If not, I'm sure I can code around using batch files, but that sure would be nice.

orbitzboy,
Yeah - I think your bandaid solution will be 10x easier now.

We don't have a retain state setup yet - but I love the idea.

I'm really just the messenger - Dan is the one you love. :)

greenday

04-09-04, 06:05 AM

Hi there
It is possible to launch two apps(Dscaler and player of Xcard) pushing just one button?
If yes can someone please explain me how please?
Thanks a lot

Nuno

smoothtlk

04-09-04, 07:04 AM

MainLobby / DVDLobby allows for macros to be built by you that can launch both applications. There is Conditional logic too that can launch one if the movie is, say High Definition, and another app or setting of Standard Def as example. In this example the format of the movie is kept in the DVDLobby access database and the Macro Conditional commands can read that attribute on a per movie basis and do the action specified.

To extend this even a bit further, you now can visually track what you are doing - in the example above, show that the movie is High Definition when you launch it by playing a "Brought to you in High Definition" movie intro that you would produce.

Wysocki

04-09-04, 06:31 PM

We don't have a retain state setup yet -
I have a way that I retain variable states between executions of the server.
Just use MLWriteFile to write a script file that will be executed on Windows startup. The script starts MLServer, pauses, and then does a series of SetVariable commands to reload the variables.

gtrogue

04-09-04, 08:41 PM

Mario,
Is there anything special I have to do to get the message to go away? I added |MLCmd|MSG~MyClient~Wait~Wait a sec~13 to an ML Macro and the message displays fine but it never goes away. Does it not work right when it's in a macro?

Can I leave out the MLCmd part if it's in a macro?

mcascio

04-09-04, 09:37 PM

gtrogue,

Here's a sample macro:
MLServeCmd.Macro|MLPause|2!MLCmd|MSG~All~Wait~Wait a sec~5

I noticed you've got a "|" instead of an "!" in front which is probably the problem. Assuming it's not the first command in your macro.

But I also tried this and it worked fine:
MLServeCmd.Macro|MLCmd|MSG~All~Wait~Wait a sec~5!MLFileOpen|notepad.exe

Hope this helps.

gtrogue

04-09-04, 09:40 PM

Dang, your probably right about the !. I was editing it on my HDTV and the text can be kind of hard to read, especially the pipe and exclamation point. I'll go back and check it out.

mcascio

05-01-04, 12:58 PM

Date: 04/30/04
Network Logo Library (US)

Added: INHD
Added: INHD2

Updates: Entire library recompiled for compatability with MainLobby 2.60's bidirectional communication.

Users can download the update by logging in to the Cinemar Login page. Just replace the swf library file with the new one - then restart MainLobby.

mcascio

05-18-04, 11:58 AM

The long awaited 2 way support for HomeSeer is now available through the HomeSeer updater.

The plugin was written by Marcus Krumpy.

You can find out more information here:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1856&start=60

You'll want to be running HomeSeer 1.7.7, Mainlobby 2.60 and MLServer 1.30.

Description:

If you've been searching for a polished, professional front end for your sophisticated HomeSeer automated home, look no further. MainLobby offers a configurable high-end graphical front end for media library and control software. HomeSeer provides a flexible and powerful back end. Tie the two together with the MLHSPlugin, and you can create awesome, custom looking screens for your sophisticated automated home. You will get much more value out of your HA investment by easily designing user friendly screens that anyone in your home can use. Not to mention the Wows that you will hear by your family and friends!

The MLHSPlugin consists of the following:
Software plugin for HomeSeer

Software plugin for the MainLobby Server.

This architecture allows you the ultimate in flexibility to install HomeSeer and MainLobby Server both on the same computer, or on separate network accessible computers (even separated by the Internet). The MainLobby client software can be available on network connected PC's, wireless touch screen tablets, or even operable using standard remote control devices and a TV.

How it works:

During execution, the MLHSPlugin HomeSeer plugin creates variables within MainLobby's MLServer.

Subscribed HomeSeer device "value" and device "string" status changes are sent by the MLHSPlugin HomeSeer plugin to the MainLobby Server variables - which can then be displayed on MainLobby clients.

MainLobby clients can initiate HomeSeer commands and events to manage lights, thermostats, security system, and audio/video devices already controlled by HomeSeer.

The HomeSeer scripting interface can now initiate MainLobby Server MLServeCmd's. (very powerful)

Wysocki

05-18-04, 03:53 PM

Man, this is great! ML is really moving to the point where I can create screens that are WAF and really usable. Thanks Mario, Dan, et al.
One LITTLE cosmetic thing that would be really appreciated to take advantage of all this feedback capabiliby, would be if the text would center itself on buttons vertically. If I resize a button and change the text size, it sometimes actually appears off of the button.

mcascio

05-18-04, 10:14 PM

Terry,

MainLobby and our Server have definitely come a long way. It's not just a great looking "front-end" anymore. MLServer is extremely powerful.

We are aware that the text is left aligned. It's a little challenging to conquer, but I think with some time we should be able to accomplish a dynamic center text field.

mcascio

05-18-04, 10:28 PM

BTW, here are some other notable mentions as far as new plugins for MainLobby:

AudioTron plugin:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2041&highlight=audiotron

MLRedirect for Linux computers:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2085

MLVolume for controlling Volume / getting status (2way):
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2073

Wysocki

05-18-04, 10:41 PM

We are aware that the text is left aligned
No, Mario, I was refering to the VERTICAL alignment issue with buttons. In many cases the text is way off the button entirely.

mcascio

05-19-04, 10:00 AM

Ahh...sorry 'bout that Terry.

That is another feature that will be introduced in ML3. You'll be able to position the text exactly where you would like relative to the button. Irish accent, "It'll be grrreat!"

Wysocki

05-19-04, 04:12 PM

I'd like to take a few characters out of the string returned by the HS thermostat status to display (just the current temperature). I can't think of any way to do this from the ML side but does HS (or the plugin) provide a way to extract a substring from the status for display?

smoothtlk

05-20-04, 10:34 AM

wysocki,
I am sure you could do this with a script in HS. No way currently to do that within ML (or MLHSPlugin today). What charecter were you thinking of taking out - and why? Was it a degree charecter by chance?

mcascio

05-21-04, 02:35 PM

Hi Folks,

This just hot off the press.

MLServer Scheduler Plugin
This plug-in allows you to schedule MLServeCmd's to be run at designated times/dates/intervals. Schedule a command to run once, hourly, daily, weekly, monthly, every weekday or every weekend.

To download for free, stop by:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2100

Leisure

05-22-04, 09:19 PM

I am new to Mainlobby but I love it! I have the entire system and it is great fun setting it up. Mario are you going to release the something to work for XM for the home system. Also I like the background efx of the screenshots you posted for the new system will we be able to use those at home?

THanks!

mcascio

05-22-04, 11:40 PM

Hi Leisure,

Thanks for the kind words.

XMLobby is nearing completion. Just doing some testing now!
It's really fantastic.

We should have something available to the public fairly soon.

It will blend well into our MusicLobby, DVDLobby, etc. look/feel.

Not sure what you are referencing in your last question. My guess is it may be the CarPC software. This interface does lend itself well to a small inwall touch screen for something like a master bedroom or living room.

We're looking into ways to make it versatile and flexible enough to work in both the car and home - both touch screen and Remote friendly.

Lot's of surprises in store for everyone. Everyone has been very patient with us and we really appreciate that.

EvanB

05-24-04, 06:43 PM

Mario,

Is your website down?

mcascio

05-24-04, 08:22 PM

Hi EvanB,

The server is going through an update that was supposed to just occur yesterday. The order system may still be down - but hopefully back up by tomorrow.

The site and other information should be accessible. Are you having problems accessing the rest of the site?

Thanks.

EvanB

05-25-04, 11:53 AM

Today I'm able to get through!

ccclapp

05-25-04, 01:24 PM

Please pardon this slightly OT solicitation:

Is anyone in the Boston area interested in being hired to program my whole-house/multi HTPC Main-Lobby interface?

Reply here, or PM me.

Thanks

Caleb

Leisure

05-25-04, 06:33 PM

Mario,

I want to purchase XM and have it up and running when you release XMLobby. What hardware do I need to buy to get it to work? The XM PC reciever I would imagine.

Also, I like the Button 0016 series with all the icons for my front page. Do you make custom icons for things lilke ReplayTV or MyHD?

Thanks!

dreicher

05-25-04, 06:39 PM

Leisure,

You'll need an XMPCR, available at www.xmpcr.com for $49.95. If you're looking for a "modded" version with a Toslink Digital output, check http://store.myradiostore.com/xmwitoopdiou.html

Daniel Reicher
Cinemar, Inc.

mcascio

05-25-04, 08:57 PM

If all the products we have, I thought I personally would use XM the least. I was never a big radio listener - I think it was because of all the commercials. Now XMLobby is the most used application of the entire suite and one of my personal favorites.

Here's a snapshot teaser:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/files/800.600.xmlobby01.jpg

mcascio

05-27-04, 01:47 AM

XMLobby is a new module available for Cinemar's MainLobby.

Here's the official AVSForum thread for it:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=406299

Just add an XM PCR hardware device and your monthly subscription to enjoy commercial free music.

XMLobby Features
> Control your XMPCR from any computer on your network
> See what's playing on every channel at all times
> View currently playing song's album cover art (when available)
> Display entire Album info of the currently playing song (when available)
> Never miss a beat - purchase the currently playing Album (requires internet connection)
> Artist Alerts - XMLobby lets you know when your favorite artist is playing
> Most Popular channel list keeps track of the stations you listen to most
> Define up to 4 custom channel lists for different moods or family members
> Define up to 16 favorite artists to be alerted when they are playing on any channel
> View satellite signal strength
> Add your own buttons, backgrounds, graphics using MainLobby's powerful design environment
> Displays channel label in addition to channel number
> Use server variables and commands to build your own "mini-XM" controller anywhere in MainLobby
> Use any MainLobby button to change channels (build a favorites page)
> Customize your own image when cover art is not available (add your own logo)
> Touchscreen friendly

XMLobby requires MainLobby 2 & XMPCR Hardware
For more details: http://www.cinemaronline.com/xmlobby.html

Screenshots
Create your own custom category for each family member. XMLobby also tracks the channels you listen to the most.
http://www.cinemaronline.com/images/800.600.xmlobby01.jpg

Artist alerts (let XMLobby tell you when your favorite artist comes on)
http://www.cinemaronline.com/images/800.600.xmlobby04.jpg

View CD details and add albums to your amazon.com shopping cart
http://www.cinemaronline.com/images/800.600.xmlobby05.jpg

dreicher

05-28-04, 04:08 AM

MainLobby 2.70c Update - 5/28/2004

Cinemar, Inc. is pleased to announce the latest update to it's flagship MainLobby product, Version 2.70c. With many, many exciting new features - we've once again raised the bar. This update is available free of charge to registered MainLobby 2 users and can be downloaded immediately from your Cinemar Members area: http://www.cinemaronline.com/login.html

Watch this space for a full rundown and demo scene files, incorporating this exciting new functionality.

Changes

Added font: NovaUltraCondSSK
Added font: LiquidCrystal
Added font: Big Fish Ensemble
Added font: Bermuda Solid
Added font: Monotype Corsiva

Added button: LightBulb01
Added button: LightField01
Added button: Slider01_cont
Added button: Slider01_release
Added button: StatusLight01

New Feature: 'Z-Order' Design Helper
The Design Helper is available from the menu by pressing the Z-order button. This new tool allows you to change the layering of your buttons and toggle their visibility quickly and easily. Press the label area to see which button corresponds to which slot. Use the arrows (up/down) to change the depth of the selected object.

New Feature: Ability to mix text with a variable on a label
You can now mix text and a variable value on any button label or text field. For example: "Mute {{wavemute}}" becomes "Mute 0". You are limited to one variable placeholder per button label.

New Button Property: Hide Value
Check "Hide Value" in the Button Properties Panel to have your button's label only display the text portion of the label. In the above example, "Mute {{wavemute}}" would show as "Mute". With the ability to change button color or transparency, you can get visual feedback on the variables value without needing to see the actual value.

New Button Property: Repeat
Check 'Repeat' in the Button Properties Panel to have your button repeat it's function continuously while holding the button down.

New Feature: Button-Tinting / Dual-State Button Tinting
You can now adjust the colors of any button in MainLobby or create 2 color settings that change based on the value of the button's variable. Select "states" from the Button Properties Panel. Make your button turn green when your system mute is off and red when it's on. You can select the color and the amount of color on a per button basis. You can also use this feature to adjust the colors of any standard button, it doesn't have to be associated with a variable. Like the silver button, but not the silver color? Tint it to the exact color you want.

New Feature: Dual-State Button Transparency
You can now set varying alpha values (transparency) for your buttons based on the state of their variables value. Hide a lightbulb button when your light is off and show it when it's on. Available in the Button Properties Panel -> states (lower-left corner)

New Feature: Ability to load an .mls file into the RemoteFX layer.
Build a remote control or navigation panel in MainLobby and load it over your scenes. Hide it and show it as needed.

New Feature: Sliders
Sliders allow you to send values from 0-100 via MLServeCmd and update their position based on their variables value. To setup a slider, you need to put it's variable in the Button label area (ie: {{wavevolume}}) The slider will position itself based on the value of your variable. To use a slider to send out commands, simply place {{value}} where you want to substitute the value of the slider (ie: MLServeCmd.MLVolume|SetWaveVolume~{{value}}).

There are two types of slider: cont (Continuous) and Release. Continuous Sliders will execute their command continuous as they are moved (volume controls, etc.). Release Sliders will execute their command once when you release the slider's handle (lighting, etc.). You can also auto-jump by pressing the slider's track; however, you must disable the 'Click' feature in the Button Properties of the slider to enable this functionality.

Cinemar, Inc.

orbitzboy

05-28-04, 11:05 PM

AAAhhhh!

Your killing me!

These are killer features, and means I will now have to modify all of my MLS files to incorporate these new features. My wife and three children will be cursing your name for at least the next week.

Thanks for continuing to support your loyal users with great free updates.

dreicher

05-29-04, 09:06 PM

It's update weekend around here, so - not to be outdone. MainLobby Server v. 1.3.2 is now available. I've addressed a few minor bugs in this release and in some of the plug-ins and made some (what I think are) nice additions.

Command mapping

Click Options->Map Commands to launch the new command mapper. Users can now create simple text-based commands (ie, Volume.Wave.Up) and map them to MLServe commands. Now, instead of having to remember the syntax of the MLServeCmd, you can simply add the command: Volume.Wave.Up to your buttons and it will issue the command you have programmed. Much better for use in Macros as well, even nest macros with these commands. Sky's the limit here folks - try it out - tell me what you think.

Another major feature is the ability to export and import commands and command groups. This will allow plug-in developers to create import files that map all of the plug-in commands to simple human-readable commands.

In the future, we will use this for the basis of building a command wizard into MainLobby and some other features to make MLServer syntax a HELLUVA lot less challenging. Think about being able to peruse your list of commands with a description of what each does from the client - that's where we're headed.

{{CLIENTNAME}}

It's here. Use it - or lose it. :) You can now insert {{CLIENTNAME}} into your MLServe commands and have it substitute the name of the calling client.

Double-click Event Log to re-execute

You can now double-click a command in the Event log to have that command be executed again. That's more for my sanity when testing stuff, but I'm sure a couple people will use it.

Variables Log improved

I've moved the variables log to a seperate window to give them more room, format them better and added sorting by variable name. This also allowed us to shorten the MLServer main window to help out our 480p friends.

Added some plug-ins to the installer

MLHoroscope, MLStockInfo, MLVolume, MLGenericSerial, MLStartup and MLScheduler have all been added into the installer.

Added a button to launch plug-ins forum

Hoping to have auto-update in the near future. In the meantime, you can click the plug-ins button to check and see if there have been new plug-ins posted or updates to your favorites.

Login to your account or visit the MLServer page to download the latest version, or click here (http://www.cinemaronline.com/mlserver_setup_132.zip)

Daniel Reicher
Cinemar, Inc.

mcascio

05-30-04, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by orbitzboy
AAAhhhh!

Your killing me!

These are killer features, and means I will now have to modify all of my MLS files to incorporate these new features. My wife and three children will be cursing your name for at least the next week.

Thanks for continuing to support your loyal users with great free updates.

orbitzboy,

Hopefully they'll thank you after you've modified all your scenes for the increased user experience. :)

Network Logo Library Update

In continuing with more updates...the Network Logo Library has been updated to work properly and support the enhanced features of MainLobby 2.70c. Please login and redownload.

dreicher

05-31-04, 01:53 AM

Orbitz,

My wife and three children will be cursing your name for at least the next week.

They can join my wife and three kids in cursing me! They have jackets and membership cards and everything. They won't tell me the secret knock to get in the club, though.

Thanks for continuing to support your loyal users with great free updates.

So there's no confusion...the updates are free to our not-so-loyal users as well. :)

Some minor wrap up stuff...MainLobby Server has been updated to v. 1.3.3 - http://www.cinemaronline.com/mlserver.html and DVDLobby has had a few minor updates to v. 3.01 - login to your account to get the latest.

Daniel Reicher
Cinemar, Inc.

dreicher

06-04-04, 10:03 PM

After hearing of some users experiencing high CPU usage after upgrading to MainLobby 2.70c, we've decided to issue an patch update to MainLobby 2.70f (that also managed to work in some new features). The update is available via Cinemar Online's login page and is only a patch update (it will only overwrite the files that have been changed). Just unzip the file to your Program Files\Cinemar directory. A full list of updates is included with the patch, but here they are:

MainLobby 2.70f Update Log

Fixed: High CPU usage issues
Fixed: Ability to add + and & to a button's label. % is not possible at this time.
Fixed: Some bugs in loadOverlayScene (buttons were not behaving properly - bad buttons)
Fixed: Library was getting colored/alpha'd based on last button state
Fixed: Buttons changing focus on rollover in edit mode when leaving 'states'
Fixed: Centerred labels on sliders
Added Library: LibraryFlags (Flags of the world)
Added to Library: Progress01 progress bar
Added: Ability to give external .jpg/.swf dual-state properties (tint/alpha)
Added Font: PS2
Added Font: Mobile Man
Added Font: Yahoo
Added to Library: LightField02
Added: mlserverconnect.swf now included in setup
Added: ml270features_demo.mls to setup
Changed: LightField01 to white color to allow tinting (some users wanted yellow for lights, red for motion sensors, blue for TVs, etc.)
Changed: Way variable values are refreshed to lessen CPU usage

Updated Files:
mainlobby.exe
mlserverconnect.swf
ml270features_demo.mls
Library\LibraryFlags.swf
Library\LibraryMainLobby.swf

There is a really neat-o (read: took a lot of time) demonstration scene in there that shows alot of the new tinting/alpha and 2-way capabilities; along with some other new stuff to get your going and for easy reference.

mcascio

06-13-04, 12:18 PM

Folks,

Registered MainLobby users - please log in and redownload the MainLobby 2.70f update.

Then replace LibraryMainLobby.swf with the file in cinemar's Library folder on your system.

This should resolve the Controlicons and Directions MT font problem you were having.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

mcascio

07-18-04, 03:15 PM

Date: 07/17/04

Bonus Canadian Station Logos added:
CBC Television
CityTV
CTV
MuchMusic

To update your Library in MainLobby. Login and redownload the network library file. Replace the file LibraryNetworkLogosUS.swf in your Cinemar\Library folder with the more recent one from the zip file.

mcascio

07-21-04, 12:47 AM

Date: 07/20/04

GuiGraphix: XM Channel Library is now available
http://www.cinemaronline.com/guigraphix.xmlogos.html

For those looking to add even more enhancements and customization to XMLobby or control interface, Cinemar is proud to introduce our latest GuiGraphix Library of XM channels.

Use the library graphics in combination with XMLobby's XM PCR plugin to enable the user to press the XM Channel Logo and have the XM Radio jump right to that station. Or use the graphics and MainLobby to control an external system such as Crestron or AMX.

This library not only includes all of the XM Channels, but also some sample MainLobby Scene files and the background skin pictured below.

This graphics library also allows you to add your own label beneath the button as well as several blank buttons in various styles for creating multi-level menus that blend well together. Each button also has a rollover/depressed state perfect for touch screens.

GuiGraphix load directly into MainLobby.

An update to MainLobby is also available to accomodate this new Library and is available for download.

This update [MainLobby 2.70g] also includes the ability to launch multiple instances of MainLobby on a single computer. This was added to allow some users to have a single computer drive several touchscreens running MainLobby.

dreicher

07-22-04, 12:51 PM

Cinemar releases TVLobby v. 1.00

**** posted with permission of the AVSForum ****

Cinemar is happy to announce the addition of TVLobby to it's suite of Home Automation and Media Management software solutions.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/tvlobby.html

Features
Fully-interactive Electronic Program Guide
View detailed program name, subtitle, description and ratings
Define a custom lineup to include only the channels you want
Specialized guides for actors, sporting events and movies
View the next 9 programs on any channel easily
Launch recorded shows quickly and easily
Automatically download new listing data on a user-defined schedule
Change channels via IR, Serial, software, etc.
Jump ahead up to 7 days at a time
Color-code up to 10 program categories
View TV station logos with Cinemar's Network Logos Library
Add your own buttons, backgrounds, graphics using MainLobby's powerful design environment
Touchscreen friendly

Cinemar's TVLobby provides an attractive user interface for browsing the TV Guide for your local area.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/images/800.600.tvlobby01.jpg

Our movie guide shows you times and dates of upcoming movies along with description, rating and release year.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/images/800.600.tvlobby02.jpg

Sports buffs will love the sport guide to zero in on the big game and other sporting events.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/images/800.600.tvlobby03.jpg

With the actor guide, users can browse by actor's names and see what shows they'll be appearing in next.

http://www.cinemaronline.com/images/800.600.tvlobby04.jpg

Daniel Reicher
Cinemar, Inc.

mikemav

07-22-04, 01:04 PM

TV Lobby- cool. What hardware will it support? Will this hardware support be DIY, or are there drivers for some popular hardware built in? MyHD high definition tuner card? How about non-PC tuners, such as Tivo, etc..?

dreicher

07-22-04, 02:20 PM

mikemav,

There is currently no support "built-in" to TVLobby; however, using MLServer integration to many different hardware and software TV/PVR/DVR systems is possible. Currently, I'm using TVLobby to control my cable box via IR (USB-UIRT) and another copy is controlling a PC system running ATI's TV software.

Tivo can be controlled via IR (or in some cases I believe serial or TCP/IP). We're working on a solution for tighter integration with Tivo boxes for playback of recorded shows. I haven't tried myHD yet; however, support for it should be fairly trivial. As with most of our products, TVLobby will be evolutionary based directly on user feedback and requests along with Cinemar's own brand of "bonus" stuff.

Daniel Reicher
Cinemar, Inc.

PabloReiter

08-03-04, 12:56 PM

Dan, Mario

I have bought tvlobby and with dish network (over 500 channels) I have two problems:

1. Awfully, unusably slow. 100% CPU usage and 15 second refreshes when using tvlobby at all times
2. Dish network uses 4 digit channel numbers for a lot of channels (starting at 9000). Cant switch to any of these channels as tvlobby clips the last digit.

I am trying to run it on a P4 3mhz PC with mlserver and TVlobby running on the same machine. I dont have the graphics library for TVlogos.

One question I have is the tvlobby.ini file has an entry for an imageurl that is pointing to an HTPC2 machine. This is the default coming in the setup and there isnt instructions on what it should be as I dont have an HTPC machine.

HELP!!! 10days of asking for help in the cinemar forum with no luck...

Pablo

orbitzboy

08-03-04, 02:04 PM

Pablo,

your 3mhz machine is slower than the original IBM PC from 1984 which was 3.77mhz :>

Just kidding of course :>

PabloReiter

08-03-04, 05:22 PM

it is actually an UNDERCLOCKED PC XT from 1984 with 8 KB of memory!!! you think it is too slow to run windows? Come to think of it, it takes 38.7hours to boot up...

correction: 3Ghz machine...

Pablo

Johnla

08-03-04, 07:15 PM

Kinda like the old saying...... "640 K, is more than anybody will ever need!"...;)

mcody

08-03-04, 07:42 PM

It Figures!!!!

After struggling fruitlessly with TIVO upgrades and networking I decided to try Replay. Although the interface and searching are not quite up to TIVO's level, it was relatively simple to set up a shared network of Replays to watch any recorded programming from any unit. As an added bonus, DVaRchive allows me to back up programing onto a PC and still watch it from the Replays or a DVD.

What are the chances of Replays being included in TVLobby plugins as well?

slocko

08-04-04, 12:53 PM

Do any of the lobby products integrate with slim devices by any chance?

I am thinking of picking one up, but would like to be able use a pc interface not only for browsing the music, but also make sure my home theater gets set to the right input and probably control volume as well.

thxs.

Don Black

08-04-04, 04:06 PM

I'm a big DVD/Main/Music Lobby fan and customer and will soon purchase TV Lobby as well. However, I'd like to offer some constructive criticism please.

Could you guys maybe stop expanding your product lines so much and instead focus on improving the core applications with better functionality (e.g., Music Lobby)? I think more of your customers would value such improvements over satellite radio options, for example.

Your customer service is always great and I'm a loyal customer but crave a better core set of apps!

As always, thanks....

lobbyfan

08-04-04, 06:28 PM

I am a big fan of the lobby products to. And while I agree with Don Black I feel that another problem is the lack of documentateon. I'm not quite sure what the problem is but there defenitely seems to be a lot of resistence on this issue.

I've noticed that every once and a while a promise is made to deliver it in some form or another. the last one I read about was based on comand maping. but somehow it always gets put on the back burner and it never happens. Then someone new complaines about it again and the cycle repeats itself.

I think its important to acknowlege the fact that users are asking for some form of help........anything........and having paid good money for the product it would be hard to argue that they don't deserve something. I don't think its over reaching.

I love the product. I'm sure you guys are working like crazy and Your doing great things and we all appreceat you effort but when can we expect to see this comand maping documentateon thing I read about?

cmcjo

08-04-04, 07:54 PM

I had problems for a while getting DVD Lobby going. Mario went as far as personally guiding me through the complete setup over the phone, for free.
So, I can't complain about any help documentation.

smoothtlk

08-04-04, 09:04 PM

Joe, I agree. One more time, better docs would help, no doubt. But I haven't seen too many doable wishes (with current software) that haven't been addressed by either the docs (which do exist and are very good to achieve standard functionality), Search, forum help, Dan / Mario emails or phone calls, or via plugin author contributions.

I think the support has been stellar for a very small company's product.
The thing I think keeps getting forgotten about is that MainLobby suite would not be of conversation if the time was invested in documentation instead of product development. The responsiveness to "wish lists" has been exceptional.

With continued market success, maybe Cinemar will be able to hire someone specifically for support and documentation needs. Personally, I would rather them hire another developer to continue the pace of enhancement.

The nature of the product and the best thing about it is how configurable it is for one's hardware environment and desires. This flexibility makes it an absolute bear to write thorough documentation to cover the use cases.

PabloReiter

08-04-04, 09:13 PM

smoothtlk

I somewhat dont agree with you. Support WAS great at some point when Mario used to help everybody around. I have had issues with their latest 3 products and weeks went by without getting any help. I dont feel I should call Mario at home to get support. They have set up forums and emails and they rarely show up or respond anymore. From a product perspective, while there has been a 100% improvement in Mainlobby and MLserver, all other products are BARELY at a beta stage with respect to functionality. There has not been an upgrade to Musiclobby in over 6 months, tvlobby barely works and has not been tested properly (the install is missing files) and ditto for xmlobby. So much potential and talent in Dan and Mario but customers are getting restless... Of course I dont know the econimics of their business and I doubt that either one is getting rich at this point, so may be we should be very thankful for what we are getting. Competitors are coming in strong though...

Pablo

lobbyfan

08-04-04, 11:51 PM

I am not trying to stir up problems. Me and other users are not asking for a complete manual. We recognise that the programs is dynamic. We just want a comprehensive list of common comands, syntax examples, legal charactars, nesting rules ect.. just the basic functionality so we can begin our own journey.

I am not quite sure why this issues always has to be constantly debated. Clearly the very fact that so many users is asking for this is a clear indicateion that it is needed. People are tired of sifting threw hundreds of post to find an answer that should be documented. How can anyone argue this point.

Would this really take so much time? I thinks it could be done in less time then people have spent talking about it. In fact I thinks it could probably be done in a day or two and then we would not have to talk about it anymore.

Is this really to much to ask? Should the people who knows the programs in and out be deciding what the rest of us need? How is this programs ever going to become universal if only 20 peoples know it completely. Teach us to fish and we will feed ourselvs

sorry about my bad english

smoothtlk

08-05-04, 06:58 AM

Have you downloaded the "Cheat Sheet"?
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1434
Or, for a larger picture of the suite:
http://www.caseserve.com/cinemar/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2099

BTW, several have tried to put together documentation. It is a much larger job than it appears...Just this cheat sheet is several days of work over the last year.

Again, no one (including Cinemar) is debating that docs couldn't be better. It's just the reality of where to put the limited resources.

If you have a question, ask it on the Cinemar forum. Someone (including Cinemar) will respond with a capable answer.

PabloReiter

08-05-04, 07:07 AM

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If you have a question, ask it on the Cinemar forum. Someone (including Cinemar) will respond with a capable answer. [/B]

If you are lucky...

smoothtlk

08-05-04, 10:02 PM

Pablo, do you post on Cinemar as "Pablo"? If so, I see you have had two issues. One was the playlist problem with MusicLobby. this is by far the most documented issue I can think of with Cinemar products. JRFuda and I both posted very detailed procedures (including printscreens) regarding this issue, which I agree is not completely straightforward to address. It was probably the hardest to resolve problem I have had with the suite (which ended up being a MediaCenter setup choice).

The second issue I see "Pablo" has inquired on is the amount of CPU that Flash uses. This was responded to by numerous users and Dan and Mario both. Flash requires a "fair" amount of processing power. There have not been many posts of abnormal CPU cycles so I don't believe there is a Cinemar issue with their app with this issue. I run 24x7 on numerous PCs from 233 to 3 ghz with no issue. I would recommend 400mhz or better though.

Do you still use MainLobby suite? Are there open issues that haven't been addressed?

lobbyfan

08-06-04, 12:12 AM

smoothtlk I have seen yoour cheat sheet thank you. You have spent much time on it for sure and you are generouse to share it with others. Unfortunatly it is only a cheat sheet - which I means that it helps users who already know the programs to remember comands. Itdoes not give a new users the backround info they really need to get an understand how to use the comands.

I don't mean any unrespect but if I gave a cheat sheet like that to people that wanted to know what I do - they would all be asking me the same questions over and over and it would take them along time to understand how to use the informations - sound familiar. If it was important for me to have those people understand what I did soon I would give them more informations from the start. Please remember I am not asking for a complet manual rather something that is more than your good cheat sheet.

I dont think the spirit of searching for pablo posts to prove some point is useful or a nice thing/ He has asked for help because he needs it not because he tries to be negative. I ask for help. many many peoples ask for help over and over. If you want I will post all the links when peoples have asked for better documentation. Are they all lying. At some point Cinemar will all have to accept that we need better instuctions help and that giving it to us will be good for us and good for the company.

Unfortunately mostly what we get is resistence or we are told that the adeqate help has already been provided or that Cinemar is to busy to write the help files or that the big users dont care about help because they already know how to use the programs and they care more about new features. Where does that leave the rest of us. Maybe Cinemar does not care about teaching people how to use there softwares maybe they only want a small club of users or maybe they only want professioonal users. If so I wish someone had told me that was the way it is before I spent my money.

I really dont know what the problems is. Why does not Cinemar publish a better version of your cheat sheet to go along with their programs. I read about the comand maping idea thought it was a good one. With all the work you already did it can't be that hard for Cinemar to invest alittle more time to give people what they keep asking for over and over. How long would it take to convert your sheat into comand maps with descriptions-a day maybe two days. Is that to much to ask.

again sorry about my bad enlish

PabloReiter

08-06-04, 06:36 AM

smoothtalk,

since the cinemar forum allows for Guest posting under any name, I have posted under Pablo, PabloR, Pabloreiter and Guest ( I can never remember my username and password). I am not sure why you are defending the undefendable or what you are trying to prove. You even responded to my latest problem with TVlobby which I have sent 2 emails to cinemar, I have posted 4 times in their forum and posted it on this thread as well. TVlobby has been deinstalled and the charges cancelled on the credit card since I cant use it and nobody will help. XMlobby would not install because the MLserver install does not install all of its dll's needed (yes, I posted this in the cinemar forum with the workaround the I found after a week of asking questions). The CPU usage issue that you bring up took way too long for somebody to respond and it turned out to be a bug that I found and Mario fixed. None of them are big issues by themselves but point to a systematic failure of their support system.

I am still using the ML suite. I have bought most of their products and I like Mainlobby a lot. Like I said before, the rest of the products are at a beta stage at best (most beta products install properly). I like Mario and Dan and I think they have some great ideas. Like I said before, I dont know the economics of what they are trying to do, but I suspect that they have not reached the fortunes of Bill G and Steve B. :-) . On the other hand they were known for helping everybody and being very active in these forums. While I would have not expected for that to have continued since they are very busy with new projects, a little bit of support for a brand new product is not too much to expect. I am willing to give them a chance as the investment I have in this thing is huge (not money but time). But I am very busy as well running a large corporation and I only post when I have a problem... Tinkering with ML is not a hobby for me, it is just a tool to get to watch movies and run my housewide system. It gets pretty annoying when you buy a product and it does not install properly, it runs so slow you cant use it and then nobody gives you any support.

I dont beta test sofware for anybody because I dont have the time, but with cinemar I feel that with Musiclobby, XMlobby and TVlobby this is what I have done, but the company is not interested in any of the feedback or in fixing their problems...(the install to xmlobby is still wrong)

Sorry if I offended you, I do appreciate all of the help you give people using the ML suite.

Pablo