Just The Pictures w/out The Talk!

[cheridave]

Panasonic 50"-

HD-KCET (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1735297&fullpage=1), HD-CBS (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1735301&fullpage=1), HD-HD NET (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1735316&fullpage=1)

DVD- The Yellow Car (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1743477&fullpage=1), DVD- The Roxbary Pool Party (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1743491&fullpage=1), DVD- GLADIATOR (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1743515&fullpage=1)


Fujitsu 50"

HD- HD NET (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1743523&fullpage=1), HD- HD NET (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1743529&fullpage=1),HD- HD NET (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1739476&fullpage=1), HD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1739488&fullpage=1), HD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1739638&fullpage=1)

SD- DTV/Cable (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1743539&fullpage=1)


Pioneer 50"

HD- HD NET (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?
s=&postid=1742751&fullpage=1),
HD- HD NET -Movie Trailer (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1742761&fullpage=1)

DVD- Attack of Clones (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1742808&fullpage=1), DVD- Attack of Clones 2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1742821&fullpage=1), DVD- Yoda (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1742839&fullpage=1), DVD- SW2 Chamber (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1742900&fullpage=1)

SD- Cable TV Shot (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1742778&fullpage=1), SD- CNN (SAT) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1742795&fullpage=1), SD- Scorpian King (SAT) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1738919&fullpage=1)

Thank you Jim Boden and Ken Ross for your contributions.

Gary will post Pio-433 and Rich will post Panny 42- TBA

Dave

[video1]

Nicely done! Thanks!!!

[R Harkness]

Great job Dave!

It may take me a little longer to produce my shots than I thought. I just re-bought my digital camera and tried a couple screen shots tonight. Unfortunately, this is my first time using a digital camera, and the shots aren't quite working out. I'm getting these awful geometric distortions throughout the picture.

It's a cinch taking these shots on film cameras, but this digital stuff is putting up a few hurdles. I'll get there.
(BTW, I bought the new Canon S45).

Dave, if/when I get these done, in which thread should I post them?



Rich H.

[GGoodrum]

Rich --

Post them here. I'm going to make this "sticky" for now so we'll have a central spot for these screen shots.

-- Gary

[Jim Boden]

cheridave:

Great idea, everything in one place.:D

[pciav]

Nowhere near as good as Ken's shots, but here are 2 HD shots of A Beautiful Mind from HBO-HD and SD shot of TWC's NY-1. Calibrated Pioneer 503. I will also try DVD.

[pciav]

#2

[pciav]

#3

[Niles Overly]

I must admit the Fujitsu SD picture looks very good..is it deemed the best PQ for Cable and DirectTV of the three?? I wish we didn't have to worry about those sources , but I am afraid for a couple more years they will a big part of our viewing lives...Niles

[Ken Ross]

Dave, great job of compiling these pics in a coherent order. I'm not smart enough to know how to do that.

Noverly, the Fujitsu uses AVM technology for scaling as well as other PQ parameters. Some feel this produces the best overall picture out there. Your best bet is to see these units for yourself and compare. They each have their virtues.

[pciav]

Dave,

Sorry I misread the thread and posted here. Good Job, nice comparison. Good info for everybody.

Ken,

You definitely get the photography award. Excellent shots, and that Fuji looks excellent.

Jim,

We need to take photography lessons from Ken :) Looking good!

[editedby]

Jim are the Pioneer shots yours? If so, are they being processed by the NRS?

Jorge

[jacksonian]

Ken,
I'm amazed at how that Fox News Live picture looks. Is it in stretch mode? And that's through a cable signal? TWC or another?

[Jim Boden]

editedby:

The Pio shots are mine and the SD ones are going through the NRS. It actually looks much better in real life than in the photos.

[billeR]

Wow - is it just me or do the pio pictures really pale in comparison to the panny which is eclipsed by the Fujitsu (which looks truly amazing). I've been gearing up towards the 503cmx, but this is going to make me go look at a fujitsu with my own eyes before I pull the trigger. Do you think the different locations and cameras used could account for some of the difference in apparent PQ?

[Ken Ross]

Originally posted by R Harkness
Great job Dave!

I'm getting these awful geometric distortions throughout the picture.

Rich H.

Rich, I got exactly the same thing when I first tried it. In fact, I PM'd Dave that I couldn't get anything worth posting because of the distorition. In my case the trick was finding the right zoom ratio: Too close and I got the geometric distortion, too far and the screen looked too small. Try playing with either the zoom or your distance from the screen and see if that helps elimate this distortion.

Jacksonian, no the SD Fox picture is from good old heavily compressed DirecTV and is in the Panaroma stretch mode of the Sony HD200 upconverted to 1080i by the Sony box. Cable is actually sharper than DirecTV in my area. I tried to give a worst case scenerio.

BilleR, I think part of the problem is the variable of photography. I'm biased and think the Fujitsu's have the best PQ anyway, BUT a relatively poor photo does not do justice to an otherwise fine display. Jim's Pioneer is a great looking display having seen it when I was shopping. His pictures really don't do the Pioneer justice. Part of the problem with Jim's pictures is the fact that there is motion in them that destroys detail. Both Dave and myself used the freeze frame capability of the Sony HD200 to first stop the action and then snap the picture. The best advice as always is to see these displays yourself. When I was shopping, I read the forum, did my research and then most importantly USED MY EYES. To me the Fujitsus looked best.

[billeR]

Jim's Pioneer is a great looking display having seen it when I was shopping. His pictures really don't do the Pioneer justice. Part of the problem with Jim's pictures is the fact that there is motion in them that destroys detail. Both Dave and myself used the freeze frame capability of the Sony HD200 to first stop the action and then snap the picture. The best advice as always is to see these displays yourself. When I was shopping, I read the forum, did my research and then most importantly USED MY EYES. To me the Fujitsus looked best.

Thanks Ken, the idea that Jim's pictures were of a live/moving picture and that the others were of still frames makes alot of sense to me based on the comparison of the pictures. I agree totally with reading the forum for info but buying based on using my eyes....it's just that my eyes haven't seen the fujitsu display and the photo's struck me as noticably better. Having seen Jim's excellent Pioneer in person, your post is very helpful. Thanks.

Bill

[pciav]

Ken,

Your worst case scenario looks pretty damn good. I am impressed by the Sony HD200's ability to stretch and scale. The freeze frame option works very nice indeed.

[R Harkness]

Ken,

Thanks, I figured that out after some trial and error. My pictures will be delayed for a while - life's very busy right now. But for those interested in the Panny 42" "ED" model, I think my pix will be of interest....I'm coming up with some pretty cool stuff :-)

Rich H.

[0x284C]

Originally posted by R Harkness
...But for those interested in the Panny 42" "ED" model, I think my pix will be of interest....I'm coming up with some pretty cool stuff :-)

Rich H.

I'm interested! Eagerly waiting......

[Jim Boden]

The Pioneer DVD pictures are freeze framed, but all the others were taken in real time. One of the problems taking camera shots is being steady enough. I was shooting at about .25 second at roughly f 5, which means a tripod is really required. I’ll try a few more with a tripod.

I have several hundred DVD’s. If anyone has a special request, let me know and I’ll post a picture if I have it.

I have some of the usual suspects, like the Fifth Element.

[bmohar]

Hay guys….

I’m sitting in a hotel room and for whatever reason I can’t DL the .jpgs. However, I’m sure they are STUNNING.
Its fun and all posting pictures of our displays but isn’t it like pulling oneself up by the boot straps? Unless you post a before panel calibration screen shot and an after calibration shot with the exact same camera settings, exposure, ambient lighting, etc. what’s the point of comparison? We talk about various displays having a color push, gray scale, brightness, contrast calibration issues but who has a calibrated digital camera?

I haven’t shot any pictures of my panel yet but my vacation .jpg’s look stunning on my Pioneer.

Cheridave- as an aside, I’d love to have my unit professionally calibrated. I contacted several ISF certified vendors in the San Diego area and none will touch a unit they did not sell. Do you have any “South” Orange County references you could share?

Also, let me know if you want some screen shots of my 503. What res, and size is required for posting?

Bill

[Jim Boden]

bmohar:

You have to shoot at 640 x 480 to keep the image size below 100k.

[jmackie]

cheridave would you be so kind as to post your settings for me so i can test them out on mine with gladiator i guess you are using progressive scan via component
can you list
contrast
brightness
tint
colour
temp
gamma
black extension
sharpness

this would really usefull for me thanks alot for taking the time love looking at the pics

[bmohar]

Jim....

I'm out of town for a couple of days but will shoot some screen snaps later in the week.

Is the 100K file size a hard limit?

Bill

[Jim Boden]

bmohar:

The AVS attachment size limit is about 100k so, if you keep below it, you should be OK.

[jmackie]

can anyone tell me by looking at the photo of mine what sort of adjustments to make i know its a long shot but i will try anything
thanks

[Ken Ross]

Again I'll emphasize that I wouldn't use screen shots as a basis for saying what's wrong or right. With that said, based only on the screenshot, it looks like a bit too much color saturation and a too red hue.

[jmackie]

thanks ken how do i change colour and hue?
contrast -3
brightness -5
colour 5
tint 0
sharpness 4
white balance normal
black extention off
gamma 2.2
these were my settings for the picture what would you suggest?
many thanks

[Ken Ross]

Drop the "color" level and move the "tint" a bit towards the green. Again I'll emphasize that this is not how you should be calibrating your set. First try a test disc such as Avia or Video Essentials. These will walk you through the calibration procedures. If you want to go further, an ISF adjustment could be next.

[atmosfera]

Dave thanks for pictures... Fujitsu ROCKS no doubght...

What was the camera that you've used to take pictures ?

thanx

[Ken Ross]

I took the Fujitsu pictures and it was taken by a Sony digital camera with 3.3 megapixels. However, the picture's resolution was only 640x480 due to server limitation.

[cheridave]

Wow, just like that -gone. Even though it was still getting hits on a daily basis. Had to do a search to find it- I guess I get the Picture!

Dave

[Ken Ross]

How quickly we get turned out to pasture Dave!

[bmohar]

Dave...

Don't feel bad but I think everyone realized that it's futile trying to convey their cool displays with a myriad of differently performing digital cameras at 640x480. Go figure.

PS... Thanks for the calibration reference. It’s a bummer but Craig and Sue are out of state “until late summer or early fall.”
:confused:

[R Harkness]

Darn,

I didn't get my pix in time to the thread. Ah well, I'll post them anyway soon.

bmohar,

Yup, it's veeerry difficult trying to do decent screen-shots. However, some of the screen shots presented by the fellas were quite impressive. In fact, I did a pretty extensive search of people's screen-shots on the web, and I think a couple of the plasma shots in this thread topped any I saw elsewhere.

It can be a bit frustrating on these forums, always trying to discuss images through words. I'm always thinking "Damn I'd like to see that guy's plasma" Or "I wish I could show some other netizens what I'm seeing at home." So, even though it's an elusive goal to try and squeeze the picture quality from a good display through the net, it can be fun trying.
And I love looking at them, no matter what the results. Sort of like a cyber trip to some one else's set-up.

I *think* I've been able to capture some of the plasma magic in my screen shots, which I'm still trying to complete. We'll see.

Rich H.

[Dreamaster]

Rick part of the problem is the photo attachment requirements.
Trying to show the glory of high resolution 50" plasma in an itty
bitty .jpg just doesn't compute.

If you have nicer photos that show the 'magic' send me PM if you
need me to host them temorarily for a while so others can download them.

Dreamaster

[jeffc42]

When I was posting pictures (in the Pio pictures thread), I took the view that I was showing people what they could see on HDTV rather than show how incredible my plasma was. The latter is a lost cause, while the former is informative to those not yet watching HDTV.

BTW, I don't think the AVS jpg limit really matters. Posting a megapixel+ jpg is not going to do a much better job showing the resolution of a plasma. You are taking an image of a fixed-pixel device (plasma) through another fixed-pixel device (digital camera), where the pixels do not line up, may not even have the same shape, and absolutely do not have the same sub-pixel structure. You get serious aliasing problems that destroy the detail you're trying to capture.

[Hacorzo]

Can somebody post pics of the plasma set-up (mounted, tabletop, etc) and how the room looks now. I'm just trying to "borrow" some ideas for my soon to be set-up.

[GlenH]

Originally posted by Hacorzo
Can somebody post pics of the plasma set-up (mounted, tabletop, etc) and how the room looks now. I'm just trying to "borrow" some ideas for my soon to be set-up.

Are you asking for pictures of a specific member's set up or are you looking for just a bunch of pictures to get ideas from? If it is the latter, check out the AVS forum's gallery pictures. There's probably about 1 billion pictures there (OK, maybe a few thousand). Here's the link to the plasma specific pics:

http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=502&thumb=1

Glen

[R Harkness]

Here are screen shots taken from my Panasonic TH-42PWD4UY plasma. It's an "Extended Definition" plasma, pixel res of 852 x 480. The picture quality is basically identical to the current TH-42PWD5UY model.

I created a gallery of screen shots from 14 different films, taken with my digital camera. Below are the links to two galleries: A "QUICK TOUR" gallery, comprising several shots from each film, and the "FULL FILM GALLERIES," which contains many more shots per film title. I advise doing the QUICK TOUR first, and moving on to the FULL FILM GALLERIES if you want to see more from any particular film.

IMPORTANT: When you click on the first screen shot thumbnail and it expands to full size, look below the image and make sure "ORIGINAL" size is chosen. If not, choose ORIGINAL size, so the image will display in it's proper dimensions, without compression. Also, if you are using Internet Explorer I advise pushing your F11 button to open up your screen real estate, as some images a quite big.

LINKS:

Click Here For QUICK TOUR GALLERY (http://www.pbase.com/chunkofunk/quick_tour_gallery)

Click Here For FULL FILM GALLERIES (http://www.pbase.com/chunkofunk/link_to_all_film_galleries)

Click Here For LINK TO GALLERIES HOME PAGE (http://www.pbase.com/chunkofunk/screen_shots_gallery)

- Rich H.

[cheridave]

Thanks for your contribution Rich. Now go and enjoy that Panny- will ya.

Dave

[Mane3215]

This thread should be renamed plasma porn =)....all these great shots!


-Chris

[Pocatello]

Another great AVS plasma thread!

[WTFPPL]

post deleted by Moderator

[wmwilson01]

great choice for a first post WTFPPL. Or do you have a more well-known identity that you're protecting? Regardless of what you think, Dave's contribution was far more meaningful to many more members of this forum than yours was. Contribute something first, then maybe someone will care about your gripes.

[R Harkness]

Darn, missed it by *that* much!

[markrubin]

Originally posted by R Harkness
Darn, missed it by *that* much!

you did not miss a thing: trust me:D

[Moebius]

Originally posted by R Harkness
Darn, missed it by *that* much!

You were thinking the same thing I was. I haven't seen any good posts to laugh at or troll about in a while.

[Chris Loker]

Re: Blurred 503cmx pictures

The 503cmx has the "Freeze Frame" function. I assume it works on HD material - I know it works on SD material running through my 5002 card. The function is not on the factory remote but I have it programmed into my Pronto remote.

[WTFPPL]

For those who missed it, I'll repeat in a tone less ironic that some can apparently take.

Discussing merits and judging quality of a display technology by looking at over compressed jpegs (lossy) taken by digital camera (whatever the resolution) displayed on crt or lcd computer monitor (not that it matters at this point, but a different technology nonetheless) rendered and probably stretched in a browser is, well, just silly.
An analogy to distributing mp3 to demonstrate quality of a sound system was given just to make this point more apparent.
Ordinarily I wouldn't comment or even pay attention but, to a big surprise, this thread is linked to from FAQ! This is not a troll, in fact this is my contribution, a suggestion to remove it from FAQ and save some embarrassment. After all, that is the thing people read first.

[Imageek2]

Originally posted by WTFPPL
Discussing merits and judging quality of a display technology by looking at over compressed jpegs (lossy) taken by digital camera (whatever the resolution) displayed on crt or lcd computer monitor (not that it matters at this point, but a different technology nonetheless) rendered and probably stretched in a browser is, well, just silly. Actually, I didn't find the original posters pictures silly at all, in fact very helpful to me. Try walking into any store and comparing how any kind of widescreen television looks with SD Cable or SD Sat and not just the DVD loop they all show. You can't, it's impossible. So to see the photos even on my computer monitor tells me a lot. Even though they don't come close to replicating the true experience, it is the DIFFERENCE between the screen shots that is telling. As long as all of the photos are taken with the same camera under similar conditions, I can see how much better Sat looks than cable, and how much better HD looks than Sat. The fact that the Sat shot looks so good even in the screen shot gives me more confidence that I will like a widescreen when I eventually get one.

[Moebius]

Originally posted by WTFPPL
For those who missed it, I'll repeat in a tone less ironic that some can apparently take.

Discussing merits and judging quality of a display technology by looking at over compressed jpegs (lossy) taken by digital camera (whatever the resolution) displayed on crt or lcd computer monitor (not that it matters at this point, but a different technology nonetheless) rendered and probably stretched in a browser is, well, just silly.
An analogy to distributing mp3 to demonstrate quality of a sound system was given just to make this point more apparent.
Ordinarily I wouldn't comment or even pay attention but, to a big surprise, this thread is linked to from FAQ! This is not a troll, in fact this is my contribution, a suggestion to remove it from FAQ and save some embarrassment. After all, that is the thing people read first.

There are 2 notes here. First, odds are that no matter how good of a screenshot is taken (and Rich takes excellent ones) odds are that the true picture on the plasma will look much better.

Second, if you take some time to look through, you'll also notice that he puts up some side by side images using different cabling and calibration settings. These shots show a marked difference.

Now, if you take the first note into account, the fact that his screenshot pics look much better than my CRT, or better than some of the plasmas I've seen leaves me to believe that the unit in question must have a pretty darn good picture.

Rich has contributed a great deal of knowledge, help, and experiences to this board, and he put quite a bit of effort into making those screenshots pretty accurate represenations. If you take the fact that his screenshots show some detail level that I can never see on my current set, I believe they have a very good reason to be linked from the FAQ. The same holds true for the calibration suggestions he has posted (which I believe is what's actually linked to begin with).

[R Harkness]

WTFPPL,

You are overreacting a bit, doncha think?

The caveats involved in judging a display via screen shots on a computer are pretty obvious to anyone.

First: We're having fun! Lighten up. The AVS forum has a large gallery devoted to screen shots from people's home theater. I love cruising through that section - we can't be invited over to everyone's pad to see their display, but it's cool to catch a glimpse through the screen shots.

Second: Are screen shots totally useless? Do they tell us nothing about a display? I believe you can get information about a display through screen shots. The ISF comparison shots in my gallery certainly give the gist of how my own calibrations look compared to the ISF calibrations, better than words would describe.

What is interesting to me is that even sub-optimal screen shots carry some information about the display. I've done extensive survey's of people's screen shots and found that there is some consistency: RPTV screen shots generally convey the *look* of an RPTV image (it has the "rear projected" look). Same with shots from a Front Projection set up. There is at least an essence of a screen's quality that can be portrayed via even non-professional screen shots. Before I did my screen shots I noticed that other people's screen shots from plasmas really did capture the essence of "the plasma look." The picture looks more even, more densely illuminated and to my eyes, photographs of plasma images look more like photographs of real objects than those from other technologies (e.g. photographs from most RPTVs/FPs don't strike me as looking like anything other than a projected image - a screen shot).

With that in mind I set out to see just how accurately one could convey a plasma's image via a screen shot. (Mine is a Panasonic 42" plasma). My computer monitor is near my plasma, allowing direct comparisons of my screen shots vs those shots frozen on my plasma. I can tell you that the screen shots really DO look like the real plasma images...to an amazing degree. Some detail gets lost in the screen shots, especially a bit of high-light detail and dark detail, but on the whole the shots replicate the smoothness, clarity and realism of the plasma image to a great degree. I've seen my screen shots on many different computer monitors, and unless the monitor is truly mis-calibrated, the essence of those shots translates very well each time.

As Mobius pointed out, a screen shot is never going to be better than the real image on a display. But looking at my screen shots gallery you can at least draw the conclusion that, given the clarity, smoothness and detail of the pictures, the original plasma image *had* to have been of high quality. Many people who had been skeptical of plasma image quality were converted once they saw this plasma at my house. By the same token, plasma skeptics who have looked at my screen shots have had to admit the images compel them to seek out a well-calibrated plasma to amend their impression. The screen shots really have opened the minds of a great number of people to plasma image quality. In fact, the shots have actually lead directly to purchases plasmas (and not just the Panasonic model I own). I've received emails from people who were compelled by the screen shots to audition and buy the Panasonic plasma, and that they are happy to actually to now own the picture quality they originally saw in my screen shots.

So...even with obvious caveats, screen shots are not as useless as you assert.

[cheridave]

Unfortunately, The point was totally missed!!!!

Dave

[Gator5000e]

Rich, 2 questions if I may. First tye photos look great. If the set looks even better in person, then wow. They blow the you know what out of my Elite 730 picture. Now my questions:

1. Do the pictures on the 50" look as good, if you know? It would be hard for me to go from a 64" to a 42" screen.

2. How much calibration is required to get the picture that good? Is it self calibration with a VE or Avia disc or is it ISF calibrated. I have had AWFUL luck with calibrations on my Elite to the point where the pictures look pretty bad.

Thanks for any information you can supply.

[R Harkness]

Gator,

Look in this thread for my comparisons of the 50" plasmas vs my 42" plasma.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=295385

To my eyes the picture quality of a good 50" plasma is more impressive than any RPTV I've seen. The plasma tends to be cleaner, clearer, more vivid and at the same time more natural and believable. RPTVs attempt to bring the experience of projected film into your home. Plasmas have an intensity that brings the people on screen to life. (That's my take, anyway).
Quite a few people on this forum have gone from larger RPTVs to 50" plasmas (and even 42" plasmas) and are happy they did, as they find the plasma picture quality makes up for the size difference.

As far as calibration goes there are a few different approaches. Many find using AVIA or Video Essentials improves the image of their display. Others really go for it and have a professional ISF certified technician calibrate their display with all the right tools. I'm a bit quirky on this subject. I've done both AVIA and I had my plasma professionally calibrated, yet I ended up preferring my own calibrations. Go to the plasma FAQ (near top of plasma forum page) and follow the link to the "Steaming Rat" method.

Best of luck.

[WTFPPL]

You are right Rich, I need to lighten up. Whatever, why should I care?! You boys have fun staring at the shadows on the wall of the cave. I am climbing up :)

Cheers

[Moebius]

I think most of the folks around here prefer staring at the beautiful images and details of the plasma hanging on the wall of their cave.

[R Harkness]

Darn. WTFPPL's contributions have been so enlightening, yet he's gone and left us when we have so much more to learn. I was gonna ask why Gladiator and all those other movies have those stupid black bars on the screen!

Sheeucks! I guess now we're left to figure stuff out by our i'norant selves.

;)

[saberry]

I have been out of the tv market for awhile, happily enjoying my two 36" Wega's and happened upon a 50" Panasonic LCD yesterday at Best Buy and was AMAZED at the picture quality and decided that it may be time to make the HDTV Widescreen upgrade. Naturally, I came to AV Science for more info. I did a search at this site and this is one of the threads that came up for an LCD mention.

After reading these posts, I cannot understand why everyone was so hostile toward WTFPPL. Granted I was not able to read the post that was deleted but I think he made a valid point. Just like people have said here time and again, be it listening to speakers or comparing displays, you have to take the time and make the comparisons yourself - often in your own home to get the true effect. I don't think making such comments lessens R Harkness efforts or contributions. I find the comparisons interesting myself, but the point about not linking in the FAQ seems valid. The attitude in the thread seems more one of condescension than discussion.

[Hamster]

One reason I could care less about his posts was his nick, "WTFPPL". No need to be so crude. I'm sure the moderators could look at his ip address and match it up to his other nicknames, but that's just stumping to his level.

I found the pictures great and the subject perfect!

[saberry]

Whatever the accronym is supposed to be, I don't know but I don't think that changes his point. The pictures are interesting but putting them on the FAQ seems to hold them up as a true reference. Not trying to re-start an argument - just giving a somewhat outsiders opinion.

[R Harkness]

saberry,

That's cool, and it's nice to have your input.

I'm of the mind that the vast majority of people who find their way here are intelligent enough to know that there is nothing definitive to be learned from any screen shot. I can't imagine anyone looking at a screen shot to decide which display they will lay down a huge wad of cash on. They are going to be intrigued by the discussions, and maybe by some of the shots, and check out their purchase in person (or ask advice if for some reason they can't see them in person). That has been the trend, pretty much without exception.

So I don't see any danger...I'd give people the benefit of the doubt on this one.

The FAQ is a place to go not just for dry information on plasma, but it is a repository for interesting, fun or intriguing threads concerning flat screens/plasma. My non-ISF certified home-brew method for image calibration is in there, as well as a funny poem from rogo.

I'm glad the screen shots are easily accessible in the FAQ - I can see them anytime I want, and newbies who would never know they existed can have tun checking them out. And they do translate the fact that plasmas can put out great images.

No big deal, as I see it.

[cheridave]

The one thing that is missing is how this thread came to be. People would go to the B&Ms and look at the Plasmas and then come back here and say- geesh, there washed out, no color, whats the big deal, etc, etc. So we took some screen shots for reference purposes only. My thing was to show the colors and show that once you got your Plasma home and tweak (Calibrate) it that it will seem to come to life. I took my pictures with a digital camera and loaded them into the computer, I did nothing to enhance or change the pictures in any way. If you look closely you can see some detail and some good color- nothing more, nothing less.

People should reserve comment until they see or hear the whole story. If you do a search dating back to the Dec-Jan time frame I think that you will find the thread about Plasmas and B&Ms and what people were observing.

Dave

[Ken Ross]

I have learned something from WTFPPL... apparently what I thought was a blackout a couple of weeks ago was nothing more than the darkness of my cave! :rolleyes:

[Pocatello]

I enjoyed the pictures and screen shots.

I downloaded many of the images to my computer at work. Kids that see my pictures (as a screensaver in XP) love staring at the images. They don't know it is a plasma picture, but they sure know what they like.

Thanks for the thread.

[cheridave]

Boy, this was a fun thread wasn't it!!!

I wonder what happened to some of these folks????

I wonder how many got their Plasmas!!!!

Life is good!!:)

Dave

[Gator5000e]

While the Plasma look great, I am sticking with my Elite 730 for the time being.

[rmcgirr83]

Originally posted by cheridave
Boy, this was a fun thread wasn't it!!!

I wonder what happened to some of these folks????

I wonder how many got their Plasmas!!!!

Life is good!!:)

Dave

1. Yes

2. Still here

3. I got one

Life is a bowl of "cheris", eh Dave?

Waiting patiently for local HD.......and a 60" plasma for $5,000, then life would be a bowl of "cheris" and "daves".

[cheridave]

You are a funny guy Rich. Thanks :)

Dave

[tomdkat]

Originally posted by cheridave
Gary will post Pio-433 and Rich will post Panny 42- TBA
Have the Pio-433 pics been posted somewhere? I'm really curious about seeing them. :)

Thanks!

Peace...

[a. macree]

Um. Folks.
With all due respect, 6-1/4" X 3-1/16" Plasma screen-shots don't help me a whole lot evaluating PQ. But nice camera-work!
Best,
AMc
(running 1280x1024, 32BPP color LCD...).

[CINERAMAX]

Congrats Ken on the winning setup. May I recommend a Denon DVD5900 1080i dvi with 35 parameter adjustment Faroudja processing, that is the best dvd player for the Fujitsu I have found.

[HuskerHarley]

:cool: LURKING :cool:

Harley

[Dranon]

What is "Faroudja processing" Yes searched nothing in the FAQ or glosaary. Thanks!

[rmcgirr83]

It is also know as DCDi which is
"...Directional Correlational Deinterlacing. What it does is solve nasty noise and artifact problems on digital video sources for live sports and fast action movies. It removes jagged edges that are created by video cameras. For a diehard hockey fan like me, this technology is a good part of what makes the NRS worth the investment."

Link about the NRS Faroudja Processor (http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/faroudjanrs/)

[size=1]Still in my cave watching my plasma.[/size] :)

[cheridave]

You guys remember this thread and the fun we had with it?

Already 2 years ago.

Dave

[BruZZi]

Wow... 2 years already!!!



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[Mike Wolf]

[QUOTE=R Harkness]Here are screen shots taken from my Panasonic TH-42PWD4UY plasma. It's an "Extended Definition" plasma, pixel res of 852 x 480. The picture quality is basically identical to the current TH-42PWD5UY model.

- Rich H.[/QUOTE]


the term is "enhanced definition" not extended definition. There is no such thing as extended definition, and is not an industry known or followed term.

[enigma1406]

[QUOTE=Mike Wolf]the term is "enhanced definition" not extended definition. There is no such thing as extended definition, and is not an industry known or followed term.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing that up. :D

[rmcgirr83]

2 years already...seems like yesterday...give or take a year. :)

[R Harkness]

[QUOTE=Mike Wolf]the term is "enhanced definition" not extended definition. There is no such thing as extended definition, and is not an industry known or followed term.[/QUOTE]

Feeling pedantic today, are we? Me too. ;)

From the ever popular ProjectorCentral.com Glossary of A/V Terms: (http://www.projectorcentral.com/glossary.cfm)

"EDTV: EDTV stands for extended definition television and is a class of digital television (DTV) that refers to the 480p format. 480p is a progressive scan video format that produces a full frame of 480 lines of video."

Note that A/V industry guru Joe Kane uses the term HERE: (http://www.videoessentials.com/resources_DisplayDeviceSpecs.php)

The next step up would be Improved Definition (IDTV). We'd put 480p into that category. The next step up would be Extended Definition (EDTV). It would include a range from 540p, to say 720p, encompassing a progressive version of PAL and 1080i. Near the top quality category would be High Definition (HDTV).

Joe kane not professional enough? How about this definition provided by ATIS (Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions): (http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_extended-definition_television.html)

extended-definition television (EDTV): Television in which (a) improvements are made to the standard National Television System Committee (NTSC) television system, (b) the improvements are receiver-compatible with the standard NTSC television system, and (c) the improvements modify the standard NTSC television system emission standards. Note 1: EDTV improvements may include (a) a wider aspect ratio, (b) a higher picture definition than NTSC definition, and (c) any of the improvements used in improved-definition television (IDTV). Note 2: When EDTV signals are transmitted in the 4:3 aspect ratio, it is referred to as "EDTV." When transmitted in a wider aspect ratio, it is referred to as "EDTV-Wide."

("Over 1,100 industry professionals from more than 350 communications companies actively participate in ATIS’ 22 industry committees.")

Or we could jump over to the on-line encyclopedia resource Wikipedia which starts its article on EDTV with this: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDTV)

Enhanced-definition television, extended-definition television, or EDTV is a CEA marketing shorthand term for certain television formats.

These references (and there are many more) would seem to belie the idea that "There is no such thing as extended definition, and is not an industry known or followed term," wouldn't it? ;)

Anyway, no big deal of course. The terms "enhanced" and "extended" have been used
to describe EDTV for quite a while.

Cheers!

[ear510]

I bought a pioneer PDP-4214HD. I have my settings at 50% and color temp on mid picture looks good, but looking for suggestions on my settings.