New Momitsu firmware imminent!

[zAndy12]

I've just spoken to Fred at manowa and he advised me that there will be some new firmware available very shortly (i.e. next week at the latest) that will provide for better plasma support and hopefully sort out the distorted video problem on my Pioneer 433MXE! Good news if true!

Cheers,
Andy.

[coma]

[SIZE=3]IT`S OUT![/SIZE]

Can´t insert link because my first post,weird!
But... manowa.com.tw/dvdplayer880FWDL.html

I´ll have my v880 in 2 days so i can´t try this yet.
Ordered mine after Manowa e-mailed me that they will fix customres for my AE300E.

[SamCK]

Has Manowa mentioned that the persistence video out signal (even when the unit is shutdown) will also be fixed with the upcoming firmware patch?

[coma]

Tis is from the readme.txt :

1. Updated 09-12-03beta.

2. Match more CD/DVD media.

3. Improve DivX MP4 play back quality.

4. Support DivX 5.1

5. Change ISO file reading mode => Folder mode

6. Improve plasma compatibility

7. Add Firmware Version Display

8. Fixed Zoom In mode.

Hoping that #6 is customresolutions-fix!

[Yates]

That readme is for the firmware upgrade for older units. The readme for the newer units contains only:

1. Updated 09-12-03alpha.

2. Match more CD/DVD media.

3. Improve DivX MP4 play back quality.

4. Add firmware information Display in "INFO"

I've also just tried it out and don't see any new selections for the DVI out. I also still can't get custom resolutions to work. Although, as I've said before tech support claims the custom resolution menu has always worked. I would recommend that anyone who contacts tech support complain that the custom resolution menu does nothing. Maybe we can get them to realize this and fix it.

The only way I can see that custom resolutions work is if the DVI signal goes back to the player telling it that its not syncing with the projector and the player switches to a preset. Is this possible? I have mostly ruled it out since no one seems to have had success with the menu.

Man, every day I get more upset with Momitsu.

[zAndy12]

Ok, can someone help me out here, when I unzip the zip file I see a .iso file and a readme.txt file but the .iso file is described as a winrar archive (I'm using winrar btw). What exaclty do I burn on a CD to load this firmware as I can't get it working at the moment. Just the one file (.iso) or do I extract everything in that which consists of 4 folders and some other files and burn them all?

Cheers,
Andy.

[jrosado]

Hi:

Use Nero, and choose the option Burn Image. Then point to the .iso file and just let nero do it work!

Regards,
J. Rosado

[zAndy12]

Got it working, think the problem was I was using the DVI input on my plasma and the output seemed to get switched off so I didn't realise it was sat there waiting for me to press play! Anyway made no difference to the problem with my Pioneer 433MXE so I'm very disappointed

Cheers
Andy

[zAndy12]

You know what, I tried the DVI custom timings menu last night (press 9 7 1 3 when on the video settings menu) and contrary to what other people have said I found I could change values on that menu (I changed the width to 1025 from 1024, wouldn't recommend it cos the picture just went haywire, must have been some of the other values in that menu it didn't like cos I can't believe just changing the width had the effect it did). Anyway, does anyone know how I can work out what the values should be for DVI 768 on the Pioneer 433MXE so I can try them?

Cheers
Andy

[jsjames]

This update doesn't affect or introduce any lip-sync issues does it?
The last update fixed the lip-sync problem and I'd hate to have this bring it or something like it back.

Jeff

[zAndy12]

I haven't noticed any lip sync issues at all. That's all I can say really...

Cheers
Andy

[Yates]

Andy,

When the screen goes haywire, does it look like it has switched to the HD component 480P video output setting? When I try to activate a custom resolution, it either goes to that setting or the setting I was on when I entered the menu.

Jeff,

It affected lip-sync for me. But the only firmware I could get to give me proper lip sync was the 5/5/03. Even the version previous to this new one was out.

[Erik Garci]

Originally posted by zAndy12
You know what, I tried the DVI custom timings menu last night (press 9 7 1 3 when on the video settings menu) and contrary to what other people have said I found I could change values on that menu (I changed the width to 1025 from 1024, wouldn't recommend it cos the picture just went haywire, must have been some of the other values in that menu it didn't like cos I can't believe just changing the width had the effect it did).
I have had my unit since May, and I have always been able to change those values. The problem is that the video signal does not reflect the changes properly.
Originally posted by Yates
It affected lip-sync for me. But the only firmware I could get to give me proper lip sync was the 5/5/03. Even the version previous to this new one was out.
It seems strange that they would fix lip-sync and then break it again. I suppose I will just stick to the 5/5/03 version for now.

[zAndy12]

No it didn't look like it had switched to HD 480p, it went all green and the right hand side of the image was cut off and there were lines all over it, it was horrible! I'm beginning to despair of ever fixing this problem, it's a shame cos I love the PQ of the player , come on Manowa let's have a fix for this eh!

Cheers,
Andy.

[coma]

Someone told in finnish forum that there are new DVI-resolutions:
L300U wide 480, wide 600 and 768. And that 1024 is fixed. Can someone with L300U try if it work, please?

[PedroV]

Just updated the firmware on my Brainwave with the latest Momitsu firmware (09-12-03). I can confirm there are more options on the DVI resolutions menu:

480p, 720p, 1080i, DVI 768@60Hz, DVI 1024@60Hz, L300U Wide 480, L300U Wide 600 and L300U Wide 768.

The secret region menu still works. I also get the DVI custom settings menu via 9713. I didn't have the time to try them out though to see what changed.

[Juno]

Pedro,
What are you using this unit on digital or CRT Pj?

And what would you compare the performance to?

Thanks in advance :D

[Dave E H]

Does anyone own a Pioneer VSX-49TX receiver and this DVD player? It's really strange - if I hit the volume on my receiver remote a couple of times to get it to step up/down, the Momitsu gets the signal and skips chapters (hit it several more times, and it will interpret that as a stop!)

Truly annoying - I got my player a few weeks ago from Fred, so it should have the most recent firmware before this one that just got released.

[PedroV]

Juno,

I've been using the player mainly with a digital PJ but I've tried it also on a CRT. The best results are on a digital PJ connected through DVI (D). Since the DVI output is DVI-I (analogue and digital) you can also get analogue RGBHV (480p, 720p, 1080i) through the DVI connector on a CRT PJ using a DVI/VGA adapter like those that come with the Radeon cards.

Performance wise I would say (IMHO) that it is almost as good as my HTPC with Holo3d card but much easier to use. This is only true for digital PJ's connected through DVI (D). Using the analogue output, the HTPC is much better.

Haven't got the time to try the new firmware.

[Juno]

Thank you Pedro,
I have a CRT PJ and have been trying to find an easier way to get a decent picture without all the hassle.

One question though, is the player Region Free and what about Macrovision?

Thanks in advance. :D

[Denner]

Yes it is region and macrovision free :D

[Juno]

Denner do you have one as well?
and if so, what do you think of the performance?

Also I haven't heard anything regarding audio performance.
Anyone have any comments there?

[Dave E H]

The audio is fine with this unit. I haven't tried anything other than the digital bitstream of movies and it seems to handle them just fine - no drop outs or anything.

I think, that if you want the best DVI based player out now and just want to watch movies, that this is a great buy.

[jsjames]

Originally posted by Denner
Yes it is region and macrovision free :D

I'm not sure it was clear or not, but is it region and macrovision free?

Just playing with you :D

Jeff

[Denner]

DAMM:rolleyes:

Sorry for the double posts :(

Sometimes this site is wery slow and I forget about it and just hit the "Submit Reply" button in a frenzy :D

[Erik Garci]

Originally posted by Denner
Sorry for the double posts :(
If you want to delete a post...
1. Click the "edit" button
2. Wait for the page to appear
3. Click the "Delete?" checkbox
4. Click the "Delete Now" button

[AtLarge]

Originally posted by Dave E H
The audio is fine with this unit. I haven't tried anything other than the digital bitstream of movies and it seems to handle them just fine - no drop outs or anything.

I think, that if you want the best DVI based player out now and just want to watch movies, that this is a great buy.

What is the purpose of the 2 analog L & R outputs? Why not just provide surround sound outputs?

Is the sound reproduction with the bitstream superior to the analog?

Is the sound quality good enough that I could eliminate my CD player only and use the Momitsu?

[Dave E H]

Originally posted by AtLarge
What is the purpose of the 2 analog L & R outputs? Why not just provide surround sound outputs?

Is the sound reproduction with the bitstream superior to the analog?

Is the sound quality good enough that I could eliminate my CD player only and use the Momitsu?

I don't use the analog outputs so I wouldn't know. It's not my bag. However, IMO the Momitsu is good enough soundwise on movies at least - but it's strong suit is the video playback.

[RayH]

For those that haven't noticed, Hivizone now has a message board dedicated to the Momitsu V880.

http://www1.hivizone.com/forum/display_forum_topics.asp?ForumID=2

[PedroV]

Good link. :)

Thanks RayH.

[Dave E H]

I've made a CCF for my Pronto for this player. I did it via "learning" the commands so it's possible that this is a little buggy, but I can post it for comment. If someone could try it out and let me know what I need to fix (I'll be testing tonight) I can clean it up and post it to remote central.

Can I post it here w/o a problem?

[Grampa]

Can anyone confirm whether the Momitsu will pass 4:3 material and allow aspect control using DVI? I understand that the Samsung 931 will not do this. Thanks.

[audvid]

Can some one suggest connection method for my momitsu 880 to Faroudja NR scaler (I will be using the bypass option of Faroudja and make it output 1080i RGBHV for my CRT - 9500lc).

I wish to use the HDTV input (bypass) of the Faroudja. It has a 15 pin VGA connector and can be set for either RGBHV or Component signal.

I will not be using the Digital DVI path at all. My projector is analog - 9500lc.

I wish to use the 1080i output of momitsu. Does analog 1080i singal come out only from the component out (3 RCA jacks) or would it come out as analog RGBHV/VGA from the DVI output with the DVItoVGA adaptor? I see a picture of this DVI to VGA adaptor on hivizone website. Does it come with the v880 unit or do I have to order it seperately (my unit will be shipped next week)?

Is one method of connection better than the other in the above situation (at 1080i)?

Thank you.

[peter caesar]

Originally posted by audvid


Is one method of connection better than the other in the above situation (at 1080i)?




audvid,

You should try both methods, then you'll find out, I use both methods to two displays respectively.

My situation for your ref.:
1. To 30" 16:9 CRT Monivision, the 1080i component is my choice. 1080i RGBHV fails to Sync. with my Monivision.
2. To Sanyo PLV-Z1 LCD projector, the 1080i RGBHV through VGA adapter is my choice.

BTY, Subtitle texts and Icons are shrunken to a mess under both RGB 1080i and component 1080i, this seems to indicate the internal deinterlacing and scaling of V-880 apply to DVD title's graphic material to render HD formats before Text and Icon (rendered by DVD player) being blended in, IMHO. Can someone more knowdlgeable share his more evidential explanations other than my wild guess?

Most likely, the PQ depends on Native Resolution for fixed pixel display devices, or Optimal Resolution of CRT mainly; and the internal processing circuit of display more or less.

Good luck, Peter

[Carmantom]

Would someone email me the file for the latest firmware. It is the 091203a.zip file I need. carmantom@highstream.net

I don't know if site is down because they are in the process of posting the final one. As I recall they called the last one a beta version.

Seems to me they have all been beta.

Thanks, Tom

[audvid]

Is the DVI connector on the momitsu male or female?

[PedroV]

audvid,

The DVI connector is female. It's a DVI-I connector and passes both analogue RGBHV and digital signals. You can use it with a DVI cable to a digital PJ with DVI connector or to a analogue PJ using a DVI/VGA adapter like those provided with the Radeon cards.

[asagarra]

I have just updated my Brainwave firmware to the latest (12, sept)

Got terrific results:

- Before that, only aboout a 10% of DivX worked. Now it is about a 80%

- Changing media library sw to work through folders. Finally!! Absolutely a must if you use jpeg photo CDs with hundreds of photos inside or MP3.

Let's see what next FW brings.....

[Juno]

Does anyone know what the connections for a 53" RP Pioneer Elite would be and if it would me compatible with the V880 using DVI connector?

I'd like to try this unit on my buddy's HDTV.

[Erik Garci]

Firmware 10-01-03 is out now.

Has anyone tried it yet?

[JimmyBond]

Originally posted by asagarra

- Before that, only aboout a 10% of DivX worked. Now it is about a 80%


What audio codec do you use for your divx files. I have tried ac3 and mp3 (both of which I can play as audio files). With mp3, it plays the vid file but I get no audio. With ac3 it states unsupported audio type.

[Juno]

OK,
I just tried a R2 disc and the V880 told me it was not a correct region disc and ejected it.

Isn't this unit supposed to be Region Free?

Or is there another hidden menu somewhere that needs to be disable or changed or something?

Thanks in advance. :D

[peter caesar]

Originally posted by Erik Garci
Firmware 10-01-03 is out now.

Has anyone tried it yet?


Erik,

My v-880 is one of engineering units with serial # from 100 to 6000, supposed to be an appropriate candidate for the firmware updating. And that what I did.

Adding 3 modes on DVI out:

AE300U W480, AE300U W600 and AE300 W768; under each of the three modes, when I press STOP during DVD playing, v-880 shows a text stated "CUSTOM DVI"; I think v-880 refer these three modes as "CUSTOM DVI''. There must be some kinds of misunderstanding, I guess the "CUSTOM SETTINGS" means EM8500 chip allow SigmaDesigns' customers (DVD manufacturers, i.e., Bravo, Momitsu, Kiss....) to custom their-own DVI-out formats. What we used to think v-880 allow us (end user) to custom our-own DVI-out formats for 1:1 mapping, looks pretty much like a wishful thinking.

Nevertheless, all of the three new DVI modes seem to render some kinds of better picture quality than old DVI modes on my displays (W480 shift to left and W600 shift to right, I have to tweak with V-size and V-position), I am happy with this. I guess V.100103's compatibility with Vesa is better than before.

CUSTOM SETTING:

With DVI-I to VGA adapter, after my punching in the combination "9-7-1-3' then pressing ENTER, instead of being black out (which the screen used to be on my older version of firmware) the screen shows as its original DVI setting. I verified this with both my CRT monitor and Projector, there nothing change on H/F and V/F before and after. CUSTOM SETTING is not enabled on version 100103. And very possible, it will never be. What a shame.

Lip-Synch issue: Better than before, I guess. Maybe I am used to Lip-Synch.
caused by v-880, remain to check it out.

DISC format recognition issue: WORSE than the old version 061403, I have to unplug v-880 almost overtimes I change disc.

I have only watched a few DVD with the ver100103, it's too early to make my conclusion.

Just for your ref. Peter

[Erik Garci]

Originally posted by peter caesar
DISC format recognition issue: WORSE than the old version 061403, I have to unplug v-880 almost overtimes I change disc.
Thanks for the info about the new firmware.

I am still using firmware 050503, and I don't think I have ever seen any disc format recognition issues. Do you see this issue with regular DVD discs, or with burned discs such as CD-R and DVD-R?

[raidbuck]

I hope someone will answer Juno's question because being region-free was one reason I was considering the Momitsu.

Rich N.

[jsjames]

Originally posted by raidbuck
I hope someone will answer Juno's question because being region-free was one reason I was considering the Momitsu.

Rich N.

Yes, it is region and Macrovision free.
Read this review (http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/videodevices/momitsuv880/momitsuv880_impressions.html)
It will show you how to make the changes. The "secret" menu is at the bottom of the page.

Jeff

[peter caesar]

Originally posted by Erik Garci
Thanks for the info about the new firmware.

Do you see this issue with regular DVD discs, or with burned discs such as CD-R and DVD-R?

With both regular video DVD, audio CD, CD-R with MPEG-4, MP3 and JPEG photo. I think it also might caused by the slow reading of the ver.100103; did I mention this before, v100103 make v-880 take more time (perhaps 50% more than ver. 061403) to follow my instructions entered; when I got rushed, v-880 got frozen with my multi-enter. I'll try to treat my v-880 nice and easy like how I treat my girl.

Peter

[satgeek]

Version 101703 firmware has now been relaeased.

English firmware for all Momitsu V880 DVD Players.

---------------------------------------------

1. Updated 10-17-03.
2. Fixed DVI setting issue.
3. Improve DivX MP4 play back quality.
4. Add Panasonic Projector DVI support.
5. Add mpeg4 code compatibility.
6. Add firmware version in setup menu.
----------------------------------------------

[SunTECH]

The download does not work. Did anyone get this before it went off line? Did it work correctly?

Thanks,

Nick

[boik]

I got the upgrade sent to me by e-mail by manowa tech-support.
I can email it to someone who wants to try it, i havent got my player yet.


Bosse

[SunTECH]

Please send it to me, my e-mail is in my signature...

Thanks,

Nick

[boik]

SunTECH: You got mail.

Hope it works.

Bosse

[jsjames]

Is the lip sync issue on extras in the firmware? Or is it fixed. It seems to sneek up in new firmware versions.

[SunTECH]

This upgrade does not load. It gives you a media library screen that does nothing...

[boik]

Did you follow the instruction in the text file??
How to update v880 DVD player?

1. Download firmware zip file.
2. Unzip file.
3. Read Readme.txt first.
4. Burn ISO on CD.
5. Put Update CD in v880.
7. Unplug power cable on v880.
8. Press "STOP" button on DVD player and do not release.
9. Plug power cable.
10. After 2~3 Sec. When VFD screen show "BootCD", release "STOP"
11. Screen show update, then Press "Play" button in DVD player
Wait the display update EEPROM information, Press "Play¡¨ button again to update Flash proceeding.
Wait until it completes from 1 to 100.
12. Wait until update screen show up and follow the instruction.
Do not power off during updating.
13. After updating complete restart your v880 DVD player. Unplug power cable on v880 and plug power cable.
14. Update finished.
=============================================================

Momitsu Technology Inc.

Bosse

[SunTECH]

Yup, did that. I have flashed it a few times already. It did not work...

[RayH]

Is anyone else concerned that this firmware seems to come from a different web address than the others?

[Kysersose]

I'm with Jeff, is the lip synch issue on DVD extras fixed? I won't flash my player unless that's in the fix. It's working too well at the moment and I don't want to mess with it. :)

[Kysersose]

RayH, yes. I agree.

[satgeek]

I just flashed the firmware that was on the site the morning, it loaded fine. Now to do some testing, so far I know that the dvi custom settings are not enabled.

[SunTECH]

Could you email it to me???

Thanks,

Nick

[boik]

satgeek: I sent one question to manowa .

Is it possible to perform custom resolution settings ( for example 1366 x 768. 56hz) on the dvi output on the V880?

The answer was the zip file that i sent to SunTECH and this simple instruktion.


Dear Bo Karlsson:

Please try this update.

To custumize DVI setting :
1) Navigate to video settings, DVI output, but do not hit enter.
2) Press 9713 on the remote. The custom resolution menu comes up.
3) Change settings to whatever you want.
4) Hit enter.

If you have further question please e-mail us.


Thank you
Manowa Techsupport

Please try and change the dvi custom resolution again and tell me if it workes?

Sincerely
Bo Karlsson

[satgeek]

Yes, this is the way I do it, the settings I used were from this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=2527950#post2527950) post. Maybe you got a different iso file?

[boik]

Satgeek: Is the dvi settings enabled or disabled with the upgrade??

Bosse

[satgeek]

Originally posted by boik
Satgeek: Is the dvi settings enabled or disabled with the upgrade??

Bosse

It is still disabled with the 10-17-03 firmware.

[Jacek Karpala]

Hi Guys,
I just updated mine...
I could swore that I had RGB signal on DVI using DVI to VGA adapter and now I do not have signal to projector using RGB input, only DVI...
Can you check and see if that's the case with the latest upgrade...
I'm using 720p on DVI and adapter should convey the analog signal via VGA cable to RGB input, right?

Thanks,

Jacek

[satgeek]

Originally posted by Jacek Karpala
Hi Guys,
I just updated mine...
I could swore that I had RGB signal on DVI using DVI to VGA adapter and now I do not have signal to projector using RGB input, only DVI...
Can you check and see if that's the case with the latest upgrade...
I'm using 720p on DVI and adapter should convey the analog signal via VGA cable to RGB input, right?

Thanks,

Jacek

Is macrovision on in the hidden menu?

[kwokyan]

Hi,

The latest firmware update 101703 is not available from Manowa web site now. They just stated it as 'Coming Soon'. Did they withdraw the file access (because the update has some problem)?

[Grandmaster]

I have the updated file - it was emailed to a poster on another forum who emailed it to me. As far as I can see, custom resolution is *still* disabled. Although this time selecting it makes no difference, as opposed to the mess that happened when you changed the settings in previous firmwares.

The good news for Pioneer plasma owners is that the new 768WIDE DVI setting appears to be a massive improvement with the lower screen distortion much, much improved. Almost totally removed, in fact.

However, I am losing patience with Manowa who keep promising custom DVI settings, but don't deliver...

[boik]

Manowa sent me an dvi uppgrade fix one hour ago.

(1) Is it possible to perform custom resolution settings ( for example 1366 x 768. 56hz) on the dvi output on the V880? Yes

(2) We are sorry that at this moment we found a miner issue on our new firmware.
We aspect that will be fixed in next week.

(3) The attachment file is special version for DVI setting please try this update.
Please notice that this firmware is only for testing your DVI customized setting.

Thank you
Manowa Techsupport

Somebody who wants to try it???
I can e-mail it.


Sincerely
Bo Karlsson

[SunTECH]

Hey Bo,

Send it over! I tried the other one, got it to work, but custom DVI was still not working....

Thanka again,

Nick

[boik]

SunTECH:
There is a problem in your mail server.

The original message was received at Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:20:54 -0400 (EDT) from vmmr1.verisignmail.com [10.166.0.137]

----- The following addresses had permanent delivery errors ----- <nick@suntech-enterprises.com>

Bosse

[Grandmaster]

Could you email it to me too please? Many thanks!

[satgeek]

Originally posted by boik

Somebody who wants to try it???
I can e-mail it.


Thanks again Bo, I just tried it and although the settings are enabled they seem broken, I didn't have any luck getting them to work with the HS10.

[boik]

Satgeek: Did you try the bravo settings??

I got this from the 1:1 on the hs10 tread.

Change the HS10 "Digital Signal Select" from "Video GBR" to "Computer". The HS10 immediately sync'd to the picture and displays in the Info screen preset no. 51 1366x768!



HorizFreq...............45000____________VertFreq.................. 5600
VideoWidth..............1368____________VideoHeight.............0768
HSyncTotal...............1784____________PreHSync.................0056
HSyncActive..............0144____________PostHsync...............0216
VSyncTotal................0803____________PreVSync ................0001
VSyncActive...............0011____________PostVSync.............. 0023
HSyncPol...................0000____________VSyncPol.................0000


Bosse

[satgeek]

Yes, I had tried these as well.

[boik]

Sorry to here that.
Is it possible for you to do a test with another projector??
Shall i mail the tech support on manowa and tell them that we cant get the dvi output to work, or is the problem in the sony hs10??

Bosse

[Grandmaster]

Thanks for update Bo. Unfortunately this file looks identical to one Manowa sent to me two weeks ago...

I entered these settings - they are powerstrip settings from a HTPC designed to run PAL DVDs with no judder on a Pioneer plasma screen with 1:1 pixel mapping. 1024x768 @ 75Hz

Horizontal Frequency: 60525
Vertical Frequency: 7500
Video Width: 1024
Video Height: 768
Hsync Total: 1344
PreHSync: 0040
HSyncActive: 0136
PostHSync: 0144
VSyncTotal: 0810
PreVSync: 0003
VSyncActive: 0006
PostVSync: 0030

Does it work? No!!!! In fact, according to my plasma screen, I'm getting a 640x480 output running at about 59.9hz vertically and 31.4KHz - ie normal VGA output. Have I made a mistake in my settings, I wonder...?

I also tried the HS10 settings above, as my Pioneer seemed to lock onto the Panasonic 1280x768 setting in the new firmware. Same result - 640x480, 59.9hz, 31.4KHz... it MUST be the player's fault, surely??

[boik]

Ok.
I sent the mail to manowa and told them that dvi fix didnt fix anything.

As son as thay give me an answer i post it..

Sincerely
Bosse

[satgeek]

I just flashed firmware verion 10-22-03(on the site now). From the limited testing that I had time for, it looks like we have some good news. DVI custom settings are finally enabled and worked on the HS10 using these (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=2527950#post2527950) settings.

[Grandmaster]

Grrrrrrrrr I have a later machine so I guess I still have to wait!!

[Brian Day]

Hi guys,
been reading this with interest. I have the European version (The Brainwave 880) and am running via component through a Sony HS1. The picture quality in 720p is outstanding - so good in fact, I have tolerated the following problems so far...
The front panel display seems to have a mind of it's own...it comes on and goes off during a movie. And when the movie is finished, I switch the player into stand by mode. However, before I can play another movie, I have to reset the player by unplugging it from the mains and plugging it back in again...:confused:
If I don't reset the player, it only recognises the disc as a CD and outputs terrible white noise through the amp...
Probably not, but is this common practice for these players? Or is mine, as I suspect, faulty and have to go all the way back to Germany...?:mad:

Any help would be brilliant...

[Grandmaster]

Brian - that CD issue has just started with me. I think it is a firmware issue since it only kicked off when I installed a beta firmware Manowa technical support sent me. I'll be waiting until the new firmware for my machine is released (hopefully this week) and hopefully it will clear it up. I'd suggest installing the latest firmware on the site, or going back to the last firmware if that doesn't sort it out.

[Brian Day]

Grandmaster - thanks for the quick reply. I have the latest firmware installed - 102203. Everything seems to work fine axcept being able to switch the player on properly...:( Do you have to reset yours every time as well?
Does anybody know where the old firmware is archived? I only recently got the player (last week) and this is the first time I have updated the firmware so don't have nay old one's on disc...

[raidbuck]

I was thinking that the Momitsu would be a good no-region DVI DVD Player. But it seems from reading these posts that it has significnat problems as the Bravo D1.

I hope that a mature product comes out soon, as I would like to get one without having to continually update firmware to fix existing problems.

Given the problems you have encountered, would you still get the Momitsu, change to the Samsung (whose biggest problem seems to be automatic stretching of 4:3 aspect to widescreen), get the Bravo or wait.

Thanks,

Rich N.

[Grandmaster]

I have to admit, it's an intermittent fault for me. It doesn't happen all the time. The firmware archive is here, but make sure you make a note of your serial number :)

http://www.manowa.com.tw/dvdplayer880FWDL.html

[audvid]

I am using the Momitsu v880: RGHBV 720p output to my christie 9500lc 9" CRT projector.

The momitsu certainly seems to have an excellent picture. I am very impressed that this unit at its price point has such a high quality 720p picture.

How ever, the picture seems to be too dark. I did have to increase the contrast on my CRT projector. When we tried it with my friend's Mitsubishi 7" CRT rear projection TV(ws65712), again, the picture was too dark. What gives? I am wondering about the output voltage of the analog 720p video. I suspect that this problem might be evident only while using RGBHV or YPrPb outputs and not DVI-D output.

Has any one else experienced this problem?

Also, I have not had any problems at all (except that the IR did not work on the 1st day but it works fine now). I did not have to upgrade any firmware. Should I try and upgrade the firmware? When it is not broken....

Thank you.

PS: I had another post on this but was unable to delete it and move it here - hence the duplication.

[Brian Day]

No, it happens every time with me. Thanks for link. I'm gonna "downgrade" my firmware. If there's no difference, I can always re-install the new one...

[Grandmaster]

If you're happy with performance, do not upgrade the firmware.

However, I'm using DVI-D output and really need the custom settings enabled to sync up the Momitsu with my Pioneer 433 MXE plasma. The next firmware should sort out my issues and hopefully clear up some of the glitches (which, as I said, only seem to have been introduced since I last upgraded the firmware)

[TUFU]

There comes the newest firmware 10/31/2003. I just flash the newest firmware to my V880 for hours. Here are something, I just find out.

1. Yes, this new firmware likes the previous firmware for serial number 1-6000 has enabled the custom setting. It works. So, now you can change the custom setting and see its effect. For someone who are intrested to try a 1:1 mapping for projector's native resolution, it is a big step.

2.No more picture of inital start-up after shutting down the power with DVI.

3.After flashing the new firmware and unplug the power,the inital setup is DVI OFF. So, you must use another connector to enable the DVI ON.

4.When you use the down,up,down,up,right,left method ,it shows the region selection and macrovision as before but with a title " special menu" rather than previous firmware date.

5.There is a firmware vesion in the inital setup just below the password option. Because I had changed the loder to LITEON 166S, so, it just shows firmware 1.0.9 and JLMS166S DS19. That means I could not find the firmware number(or date) in this version of firmware which probably due to change of the new loader?(I do'nt know). Anyway, I must remember which version I had upgraded now.

6.By now,I still tried hard to find out the custom setting for my Mitsubishi D1208 which has a native resolution of 1024x576 similar to OPTOMA H56.

7.Yes, this version adds 3 more DVI options for panasonic AE-300 as previously stated.

[Wesley Hester]

With the 10/31/03 firmware showing ALL players, do the serial number specific firmwares need to be used first or can one go directly to 10/31/03?

[Grandmaster]

You can go straight to the new firmware.

Custom DVI works *great* in the new firmware, but my machine produces glitches if you change the DVD for another one. I need to do a hard reset (remove power cable) then put another disc in.

It's a pain in the ass, but I'm *finally* running 1:1 pixel mapping and 75Hz refresh speeds for PAL discs on my Pioneer 433 MXE. Picture quality is absolutely outstanding.

Now if Manowa can just clear up the bugs this would easily be one of THE best DVD players around.

[greg snow]

Old news, I know, but the 880 always locks up when put in standby. I simply leave mine switched on. It's no biggie.

But, out of interest - can ANYBODY put their machine into standby without it locking up? If so, could you post your serial number?

Oh, interestingly, the very latest f/ware (103103) has made the picture brighter and bolder. I thought I was imagining it, but no, it has - and there's a mention of it on the website ("improve color" or something).

[Kysersose]

Mine never locks up while in standby. I have firmware 091203a.zip for s/n MT239A06001 ~ MT239A30000

The ONLY problem I've had is a lip sync issue with 2.0 material while the player is set to digital audio instead of analog. When I switch it to analog, 2.0 seems to work fine.

[Kysersose]

The new firmware states the following:
103103.zip
English firmware for ALL Momitsu V880 DVD Players.

---------------------------------------------

1. Fixed DVI setting issue.
2. Improve DivX MP4 play back quality.
3. Add Panasonic Projector DVI support.
4. Add mpeg4 code compatibility.
5. Add firmware version in setup menu.
6. Enhance color performance for all output.

[Brian Day]

Originally posted by greg snow
[B]But, out of interest - can ANYBODY put their machine into standby without it locking up? If so, could you post your serial number?[/B

Mine locks up when left on with no activity. If I'm playing a disc, the front flourescent panel will simply die which is my signal that if I wanna watch another film, I'm gonna have to unplug it...serial number is 03****

[greg snow]

Blimey O'Reilly. So Brian, your machine locks up if you DON'T put it in standby? My front panel has a mind of its own, too.

Kysersose, my S/N is below 6000 - maybe the later batch is better?

Could all these problems be solved with a really solid f/ware? I guess these small companies can't exactly afford a big wage bill for whoever is programming the f/ware. It's a shame, isn't it? The machine is basically wonderful. But...

[Brian Day]

Just flashed the new firmware. I'll give it a couple of hours and see. Got Indy and the Last Crusade lined up for tonight...here's hoping.
As a matter of interest, and with massive scope to embarrising myself here, I left my player on for 3 hours this afternoon and when I came back, the front panel display was still on. This was before I flashed the firmware. However, what I did do different wa disconnect the coaxial digital cable from the output socket...speculation probably, but could using coaxial digital out short something out within the player?
To put it another way, does anybody who uses the OPTICAL out have any problems with the front panel display or having to unplug the player and reste it before every session.
Personally, I use component out and that's enough to make my jaw drop...this player is worth putting up with for it's niggles. But I to wish a decent version would come out. Shall we pass the hat around...?:)

[sap]

Originally posted by greg snow
the 880 always locks up when put in standby. I simply leave mine switched on. It's no biggie.But, out of interest - can ANYBODY put their machine into standby without it locking up? If so, could you post your serial number?

Mine has never had locking problem in standby. I do not have serial number in hands at the moment, but I think I bought it in June and firmware was as of 5-19-03. Have never updated since.

Oh, interestingly, the very latest f/ware (103103) has made the picture brighter and bolder. I thought I was imagining it, but no, it has - and there's a mention of it on the website ("improve color" or something).

Could you elaborate a bit on how is it "bolder"? What Mom output are you using and display?
Thanks

[Kysersose]

Brian, Greg, I use optical as well! Greg..., what do you use, optical or coax?

[sap]

Has anyone had success in 1:1 pixel mapping of Momitsu with Sharp DT-200 via DVI ?
Do I need to upgrade firmware to do that? My projector is coming in a few days, but I hate to change firmware since I didnÕt have any troubles people described here.

So far only problem was - it does not show 720p signal via DVI/RGB analog output on my CRT- TV (which has 720 native resolution), although it show 720p on projector (800x600 res) without problem. 768p, however, works fine with both PAL and NTSC disks and the picture is just great (no way to go back to 480p). I do not know if 720p would be better than 768p on TV, but it was a bit better on X1 projector.

Now, my new projector is coming equipped with DVI, so I want to try 1:1 pixel mapping. Bravo can do it as it was posted by Tom/ Guitarman in this tread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=317645.
Question is, how Momitsu can do the same and what firmware update should be used?
Any help will be appreciated. Cheers.

[Brian Day]

Anybody here changed the loader in their player? And if so, what difference (if any) did it make? I've got a liteon 166 on order which will arrive tomorrow. I don't seem to have the disc recognition problems anymore (seems to pick up DVD every time now) but would it sort out my resetting woes...?:confused:
Rather save the money and spend it on DVD's TBH...;)

[RayH]

I've put the LiteOn 166 in mine. I'm now able to read some problem dvd's that hung with the original loader and drive commands appear to respond alot quicker. I still occasionally get a dvd recognized as a cd which is solved by a complete power cycle.

I'm currently using the 091203a firmware but will be upgrading to the newest one.

[greg snow]

Kyser, I use optical. The coax output has never worked, no matter what cable I try...

[Carmantom]

I managed to get the last version in Sept. to load and update. I have reviewed all the directions again and still can't get it to load. Any help would be appreciated. Before you ask, Yes! I have followed instructions w/ the pretty pictures on the site already.

Thanks, Tom

[Kysersose]

Greg, both work on my unit (Coax and Optical) but I chose to stick with optical. I'm tempted to test the new firmware to see if it fixes the 2.0 lip synch problem but I'm worried about causing more harm than good. :(

Too many horror stories floating around...

[kwokyan]

Originally posted by Carmantom
I managed to get the last version in Sept. to load and update. I have reviewed all the directions again and still can't get it to load. Any help would be appreciated. Before you ask, Yes! I have followed instructions w/ the pretty pictures on the site already.

Thanks, Tom

Hi, Tom,

Which software did you use to burn the CD-R/RW? I suggest you use 'Easy CD Creator' and open the ISO image file by clicking 'Open CD Project...' under 'File' menu.

[boik]

I used nero express and did a disc image of the file (momitsu_pwr_fix-10-31-03.iso). Then i followed the steps in the instruction for the uppgrade, it worked.

Bosse

[Carmantom]

I'll try those ideas.
Tom

[Taxcheat]

Just a quick note -- flashed successfully, got the custom DVI settings for the Sony HS-10 to work with perfect 1:1 mapping. Wow, Matrix Reloaded looked fantastic.

Despite all its flaws (especially the garbage remote -- my "3" key got stuck yesterday... I thought the reflash disabled the remote until I noticed what happened), this machine rocks. Thanks to everyone here for the info, no way I'd have this great setup without AVS.

[Carmantom]

I'm about to give up on the new update. I even tried the old firmware update to see if it would load and it went to load perfect. Of course, I did not update w/ it. I then compared both new and old files to see if any files might not be there. No problem there. On advice of tech support I burned at my slowest speed (2X). Still would not work.

After several cd burns (7) I've had it. Maybe someone could email me their file, in the event my original got corrupted someway.

Thanks for all the help anyway.
Tom

[Kane D Williams]

So will the latest V880's all be sold with the new firmware? Has anyone else had the issue of having to switch the player off and on between DVD's, that one person reported, or does the new firmware appear to be stable and flawless???

Like many, I am considering getting this player or the Samsung 935, but I can't be doing with a machine that goes 'funny' all the time! I will only be buying one of these two machines if I get enough insurace money for a Sanyo Z2, which may not happen anyway...

[Kysersose]

Carmanton, I used "burnatonce" and it worked great! You can find the freeware here... http://www.dvdrhelp.com/tools?sl=16#16

Use it to open the firmware... then burn to CD.

[Carmantom]

when I get home tonight. I am also using the burner and different cd-r disk from work. that is the same place I burned the last update that worked.

Thanks, Tom

[Brian Robson]

Originally posted by Grandmaster

It's a pain in the ass, but I'm *finally* running 1:1 pixel mapping and 75Hz refresh speeds for PAL discs on my Pioneer 433 MXE. Picture quality is absolutely outstanding.

Now if Manowa can just clear up the bugs this would easily be one of THE best DVD players around. [/B]

Hi Grandmaster,

I too have a Pioneer 433MXE and I agree with what you say; the DVI
picture is superb, I'm running the new firmware at 85Hz Vertical,
68.7kHz horizontal, 1024 X 768 Dot-By-Dot
I do not have any problems though when changing DVD's; I reinstalled
the original loader before installing the new firmware (I had previously
experimented with IDE drives) and so far it has been OK but I'll look out
for any problems that arise.

I notice with some material that black borders are displayed at the sides
of the screen; it's not electronic but looks like the opaque edges of film -
I never had this with my Philips963SA 1080i component output, I guess
it was masked by overscan.
Do you notice similar on your display,

Brian

[Kysersose]

Tom, let me know how it goes!

Mike

[Carmantom]

Originally posted by Kysersose
Tom, let me know how it goes!

Mike

Thanks for the help.

Tom

[Kysersose]

Glad I could help! Did the new firmware clear up all your problems?

[Carmantom]

Originally posted by Kysersose
Glad I could help! Did the new firmware clear up all your problems?

I'm still evaluating it. Already plays some divx files it did not play before. The colors appeared to be much better. Better saturation.

Thanks, Tom

[wilbur]

Hi all,
Sorry to sound silly but I have one on order which is due to arrive any day. When you say a lot of people are having trouble with the loader do you mean the spindle itself or the drawer that takes the disc in? I dont relly understand as I have never heard of such a problem before.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers, Steve.

[Brian Day]

The way I see it, the loader is the the disc drive itself - the whole lot. I changed mine yesterday and made the following obversations...

Good Points:
1. Remote commands are acted upon a LOT quicker than they were before. Press chapter forward and the new chapter is playing before you remove your finger from the button.
2. Loader now recognises 99.9% of discs correctly. I had to reboot my player every time I wanted to play a disc before. Now, even if the front panel display isn't working, the disc will be recognised and played.
3. Feels more like a high end DVD player now. The Liteon 166s I replaced it with is a lot heavier than the one removed. Makes the player a lot heavier in general and feel more sturdy.

Bad Points:
1. Liteon 166s is not really the right size for the player. It has to sit back a bit from the drawer which means that the whole tray is not presented when you press eject.
2. The mounting screws for the original loader are a real pain. They raise the replacement to the point where the disc tray hits the top of the drawer when ejected. It has to be positioned somehow so that the tray can protude through the drawer.

All in all, the job was quite easy to do. Make sure you flash the firmware of the new DVD loader before you fix it in so that it's multi region (RPC1).
Going to give it a real test this weekend...:)

[satgeek]

I'm thinking of trying the Liteon 166, is it noisy? The Pioneer 117 that I had tried worked well but was noisy. The Toshiba 1712 worked even better than the Pioneer but wasn't great with DVD-R discs(had problems reading at the outer edge of the disc).

[RayH]

I'm also using the LiteOn 166. I got around most of the tray height problem by removing the bottom plate from the drive and I was able to move the drive forward a little more by removing the plastic faceplate. I think removing the top of the drive casing would get the drive even more forward but unfortunately this particular model has the disk clamping mechanism integrated into the top of the case. I may look into other drive models which will still work with the top of the case removed.

The drive is also a little noisy during spinup and makes occasional noises while running. The drive uses something in the motor mechanism that sounds a little like sand which I assume dampens vibrations but makes it noisy during spinup.

[Brian Day]

RayH - how did you secure the drive in the body of the player?

[RayH]

Originally posted by Brian Day
RayH - how did you secure the drive in the body of the player?

Single piece of 2" wide duct tape running from the V880 metal support plate just above the front of the drive to the back of the drive. Works fine as long as you're not going to be moving the V880 around.

[luvflix]

I feel really stupid for not being able to update the firmware. My Momitsu shows v1.05 on the firmware menu and I received 3 weeks ago. I downloaded the 103103 file and unzipped it. It then breaks into 2 files: a 'readme' & a 'momitsu_pwr_fix-10-31-03 WinRAR archive 3,542 KB'. I then use WinRAR to unzip the 2nd file and burned all the extracted folders and files onto a disc via Nero. The LCD display shows that it's a boot CD but the TV (or the pj screen) does not show the upgrading firmware page. It shows an orange 'ISO' page. I've tried burning the entire 'momitsu_pwr_fix-10-31-03 WinRAR archive 3,542 KB' file without unzipping it with WinRAR with same unsuccessful result. I followed the instruction to hold the stop button to plug in the unit but it doesn't work. What did I do wrong?

Even without the successful update, I can get into the secret menu to change the custom resolution etc. Is this normal? Help, please! Thanks!

[RayH]

"momitsu_pwr_fix-10-31-03" is actually an iso image file. Using Nero, you should choose File, Burn Image... and select the momitsu_pwr_fix-10-31-03.iso file.

[PedroV]

luvflix,

I updated the firmware on my Brainwave (Momitsu v880 clone) several times without problems. Here is how I've been doing it:

1. Like RayH says: Burn ISO on CD (Use Nero, and choose the option File/Burn Image. Select the ISO file you downloaded)
2. Put Update CD in v880, close drawer.
3. Unplug power cable on v880.
4. Press "STOP" button on DVD player and do not release it.
5. Plug power cable back on.
6. After 2~3 Sec. when VFD screen shows "BootCD", release "STOP"
7. Wait about 30s until your TV screen shows the update EPROM information.
8. Follow the instructions on screen by pressing the "Play" button on the DVD player to continue.
9. Wait until update is complete (from 1 to 100)
10. After updating is complete the drawer opens. Restart your v880 DVD player by unplugging the power cable and plugging it back on after a few seconds.
12. Update finished.

Do not power off during updating.

[H8nXTC]

For those that don't know, the new Yamakawa DVD-365DivX is a Brainwave/Momitsu clone with some additional features.

[luvflix]

Ray & Pedro,

Thanks for the help. I will let you know if it works.

Pete

[jrosado]

Originally posted by H8nXTC
For those that don't know, the new Yamakawa DVD-365DivX is a Brainwave/Momitsu clone with some additional features.

Yup.. And it is less problematic then the Brainwave/Momitsu. I can tell that, because i had a Brainwave and returned it to the store..It was a pain in the a... I'm now the happy owner of the Yamakawa. The only bugs/problems i found are: the custom settings are missing (they removed them) and the divx subtitles are adjusted to the left making some words appear cuted..

Regards,
J. Rosado

[luvflix]

Just updated the 10-31-03 and firmware changed from v 1.0.5 to v 1.0.9. I guess I didn't know to wait that 30 sec for the update screen to come up. I thought the PQ was great and now it's even better. The custom resolution works but the standard 702p looks good for the G70.

Thanks again! Ray & Pedro.

Pete

[audvid]

luvflix:

Just to double check: The picture quality improved after the firmware upgrade?

[jkennedy]

Has anyone managed to get this player working with a JVC G-150 yet? On DVI I am still missing a 10-20% of the right-hand side of the picture. Do you have any suggestions or custom DVI settings that could fix this problem.

[luvflix]

Originally posted by audvid
luvflix:

Just to double check: The picture quality improved after the firmware upgrade?

Yes, it did. Even my wife, who never makes much fuss about the PQ, was impressed. Since the upgrade, I haven't used it enough to judge if the loader problem resolved. Prior to the upgrade, I left it on constantly and it eliminated the lockups or misreading the DVD's as CD's.

Pete

[Wesley Hester]

I've installed the lastest firmware also. The Momitsu's 720p is very good even on my rear projection HDTV. This is good since the LiteOn LVD-2001 I have doesn't output good 720p.
I wish they would add in-player video adjustments like the LiteOn has though.

[noelm]

The new upgrade 10-31-03 version 1.09 seems to have improved the picture quality, among other things. Slightly more color saturation, for example.

I also doubled the main power supply capacitance from 47 mf to 94mf by soldering another capacitor in parallel to the main one. The original drive has no more transport problems and has not frozen up again. I tested the drive by using the remote to repeatedly change from fast forward, slow-motion, fast reverse, chapter skip backward and forward in various combinations - trying to force it to freeze or lock up the way it used to. But now the Momitsu with the OEM loader is behaving like a mechanically good player.

The 10-31-03 firmware upgrade is the best one yet.

Noel

[Lefreck]

I notice with some material that black borders are displayed at the sides...
I got the same here (I also have a Philips 963) and I came to the same conclusion as you. Yesterday I sent back the Brainwave I got to test. But I hope it won't last too long until mine arrives...

[luvflix]

Noel,

Wow! That's great. Could you please post some pic's or tell us where to solder the cap? Where and what cap should I buy? I can solder but have no clue about the inner workings of the player. Thanks!!!

Pete

[PedroV]

Noelm,
I also doubled the main power supply capacitance from 47 mf to 94mf by soldering another capacitor in parallel to the main one.
I would like to do the same on mime so I would appreciate if you could explain in greater detail how you did it. The cap you are referring to is the big one (400V, 47 mf) ? Guidelines on the procedure how to solder the second one would be much appreciated. Have you considered changing the existing one for a bigger 400V, 96 mf cap?
I have disconnected the headphone amp on mine (less demand on the power supply) and put some ferrites on the power supply cables but would be interested in further upgrading. I think the player is worth the effort.

Thanks.

[jsjames]

How is the 10-31 firmware with the lip-snyc issue? Does it exist with the extras like previous firmware released did?

[Muse]

Originally posted by noelm
The new upgrade 10-31-03 version 1.09 seems to have improved the picture quality, among other things. Slightly more color saturation, for example. The 10-31-03 firmware upgrade has fixed all the problems I have had with the Momitsu. Even the transport functions improved with the original loader.

I also doubled the main power supply capacitance from 47 mf to 94mf by soldering another capacitor in parallel to the main one. The original drive has no more transport problems and has not frozen up again. I tested the drive by using the remote to repeatedly change from fast forward, slow-motion, fast reverse, chapter skip backward and forward in various combinations - trying to force it to freeze or lock up the way it used to. But now the Momitsu with the OEM loader is behaving like a mechanically good player.

The 10-31-03 firmware upgrade is the best one yet.

Noel Are you suggesting that the firmware upgrade fixed the freezing problem or the extra capacitor? If not the capacitor, why did you add that?

[Kysersose]

How is the 10-31 firmware with the lip-snyc issue? Does it exist with the extras like previous firmware released did?
This is the only problem that I was having with the Momistsu. The new firmware fixed the 2.0 lip synch issue in my case.
Now I just get a bit of a scrambled signal that restores itself instantly when I hit the stop button. Aside from that... it's perfect! :)

[noelm]

Muse, luvflix,

I am basically following the lead of some AVS members who really know what they are doing when modifying DVD players. I tend to stick to the simple easy modifications that are easy to undo. If a mod works, it stays. If it doesn't, out it goes. Beefing up the power supply in cheap DVD and CD players usually improves overall performance. Putting in small value film capacitors in parallel also helps - especially for sound. For more information about what kind of modifications to try, you might want to check out:

Chili Manora/Alan Maher - Bravo D1 and other equipment at:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38680&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2834448#post2834448

eganz - Philips 963 at:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=320316&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

jrannison - Bravo D1 at:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=284831

As Steve Bruzonsky said: "What Alan Maher does in recommending tweaking a less expensive DVD player is perhaps similar but much lesser magnitude and expense to what both Theta and Ayre do in taking Pioneer chassis and tweaking them and also replacing many parts to have a better performing DVD & CD player; and Camelot re a Panasonic chassis for the Roundtable DVD & CD player."



Pedro,

Rather than buy an expensive Black Gate capacitor for this player, I just used an electrolytic polarized 47mf 400V capacitor left over from an audio project. It is the same value as the big one in the power supply. By connecting it in parallel, the capacitance was doubled. I did not want to remove the original capacitor in case things did not work out.

The new capacitor is an axial lead type - that is, a wire coming out of each end instead of both wires coming out of the same end (radial lead type). You can get them at newark.com Try:
http://www.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/newark/en_US/support/catalog/productDetail.jsp?id=92N5563

Digikey.com also has similar prices and choices of electronic parts.

Radio Shack seems to have vastly reduced their in store selection. Their commercial catalog - if still available - should have the right parts. It is bigger than their regular store catalog. You have to ask for it.

A new or bypass capacitor must be at least the same voltage rating as the original or it could easily fail. The extra capacitor does not have to be the same value in microfarads but it should not be more than the original. Polarized capacitors need to be replaced with polarized capacitors. Yes, a Black Gate would sound better but I just wanted to be cheap.

After unplugging the AC cord and disconnecting the wires to the circuit board, I unscrewed the power supply board and AC plug. Then with needle nose pliers I squeezed the plastic stand offs at the corners to get the board out. I put plastic heat shrink tubing over most of the length of the exposed wires of the new capacitor so that they would not make unnecessary contact with conductive areas of the circuit board. The heat shrink tubing is available at Radio Shack, Newark, and Digikey.

I turned the board upside down and soldered the + and - axial leads of the new capacitor to the original capacitor's corresponding + and - solder points underneath the circuit board. The - end is marked with arrows or dashes along the side of the capacitor. The new capacitor lies horizontally in the player alongside the edge of the circuit board. It fits without any problem.

Make sure you use an anti-static grounding strap to avoid having static electricity fry some sensitive electronic parts in the player. Good luck.

Noel

[boik]

I sent Manowa some questions about the performance in pal.


Q1: I want to ask about the brightness on the component output.

It seems to be a wery dark picture, i have to increase the brigtness on
my projector (sony HS-10) no near maximum to get a decent picture.
480p has the darkestpicture, 720p and 1080i is a bit brighter but feels
a bit soft and washed out.
Is it possible to correkt that in the player?

A1) We are developing new firmware to increase v880's performance.

Q2:The picture becomes washed out and "soft" in 1080i and in 720p, has
that anything to do whith pal material?

A2) Yes it may have some relation with PAL mode.
Also we are trying to add PAL 1080i mode in next firmware.

Q3: Is it possible to get it to support progressiv pal 576p?

A3) Unfortunately, v880 dose not support 576p because of hardware
limitation.
In fact all similar function DVD can not support this mode.

Bosse

[Brian Day]

Originally posted by boik
Q2:The picture becomes washed out and "soft" in 1080i and in 720p, ha
that anything to do whith pal material?

A2) Yes it may have some relation with PAL mode.
Also we are trying to add PAL 1080i mode in next firmware.


Now that would be impressive. When I use 1080i opal material (about 65% of my DVD collection), the picture judders, espicially on long camera pans. I'm assuming this is down to 1080i being 60hz and not 50hz...?

[PedroV]

Noel,

Thank you very much for your detailed explanation.

[Cinefalo]

Originally posted by jrosado
Yup.. And it is less problematic then the Brainwave/Momitsu. I can tell that, because i had a Brainwave and returned it to the store..It was a pain in the a... I'm now the happy owner of the Yamakawa. The only bugs/problems i found are: the custom settings are missing (they removed them) and the divx subtitles are adjusted to the left making some words appear cuted..

Regards,
J. Rosado

Do you know where I can find the Yamakawa?

Do you konow if it is fully compliant with the Panasonic AE300?

I ask this because the tech support from Yamakawa only told the that it work well with a NEC HT1000.

Thanks.

[jrosado]

Hi:

You can find it in the following webstores:

www.computeruniverse.net
www.alternate.es

In ters of compliance, i can't tell you any sure, since i don't own any projector. However i did tested it with some projectors (in my working place) and there was no problem at all.

Regards,
J. Rosado

[audvid]

Originally posted by boik
I sent Manowa some questions about the performance in pal.

Q1: I want to ask about the brightness on the component output.

It seems to be a wery dark picture, i have to increase the brigtness on
my projector (sony HS-10) no near maximum to get a decent picture.
480p has the darkestpicture, 720p and 1080i is a bit brighter but feels
a bit soft and washed out.
Is it possible to correkt that in the player?

A1) We are developing new firmware to increase v880's performance.
Bosse My unit also has the "dark picture" problem - even when using the RGBHV output on NTSC DVDs. I had to raise the contrast on my Christie 9500lc CRT projector. This problem is not as evident on my JVC DILA projector.

Yesterday, I tried switching from RGBHV to component output. Component output was clearly inferior to the RGBHV output on my DILA projector.

Overall, the 720p RGBHV looks fantastic.

I did not upgrade the firmware - because I simply do not seem to have a problem - either in loading or otherwise. I am tempted to upgrade, because of the comments about improved picture quality but I think I will wait to hear from Fred Chen before I update the firmware.

[Cinefalo]

Originally posted by jrosado
In ters of compliance, i can't tell you any sure, since i don't own any projector. However i did tested it with some projectors (in my working place) and there was no problem at all.

Regards,
J. Rosado

Thanks.

[bmwrob]

I’m quite sure the answer is within this thread, but it’s rather big and would take me ages to read through. So anyone knows if the player can output 1024x768p analog (RGB)? A quick search shows that that resolution is only valid for DVI out, is this the case?

[RayH]

Originally posted by bmwrob
I’m quite sure the answer is within this thread, but it’s rather big and would take me ages to read through. So anyone knows if the player can output 1024x768p analog (RGB)? A quick search shows that that resolution is only valid for DVI out, is this the case?

The DVI out contains analog RGB so it does output 1024x768p. All you need is a DVI-VGA adapter for less then $10.

[audvid]

I am upgrading from june 14 2003 to the 10-31-03 firmware.

Unzipped the file and extracted: momitsu_pwr_fix-10-31-03.iso file.
Used Nero to create a Data disc at Lowest (12X) speed.

Was able to see the file on the CD in "My Computer".

Pulled the plug from momitsu.

Held the stop button while putting the a/c plug in continuing to hold the stop button.

Noticed":"800 5cd.." on dvd's display
Waited until Load appeared on dvd display and released stop button.

I get the Message: "No medial files found, insert another disc". I made about 3 coasters till now - Using nero: data disc creation.

What am I missing?

[Wesley Hester]

My HDTV only has component inputs.

Would I get ANY benefit from putting a DVI-to-RGB adapter on the output and then using a RGB-to-Component converter? Would then switching over to DVI mode give me more output setting options?

[luvflix]

audvid,

I'm no expert on this but I had similar problems with my attempt. With the help of the folks here, it was easy sailing.

Before you do the upgrade, connect the Momitsu to a small TV via composite unless your display has composite or S-video input already connected.

Go to File and select 'Image CD' on Nero. Burn a copy of the ISO at whatever speed (I use 24x). Do like what you described. Unplug after you load the CD. Hold the Stop button and plug in the player. The 800.. means BOOT CD. Release the Stop button only after you see LOAD on the lcd display. Wait about 30 sec. The DVI connection is now off and you will not see a picture. However, the picture via the composite (to your display or small tv) will now show a blue screen saying that it’s ready to upgrade the firmware. Push the play button and wait for the lcd display to count from 1 to 100. Then unplug and plug the player again. The picture will reappear on you composite/S-video display only. You will have to go into the setup menu to switch it back to DVI.

It sounds more complicated than it is. Once you do it, it's simple. Hope this helps.

Pete

[audvid]

Originally posted by luvflix
audvid,

I'm no expert on this but I had similar problems with my attempt. With the help of the folks here, it was easy sailing.

Go to File and select 'Image CD' on Nero. Pete Pete, I had spoken "supposedly to an expert" but he could not help. You certainly helped solve the problem. The key word is "image CD". No where did I see that it would not work if we simply copy the momitsu_pwr_fix-10-31-03.iso file onto the CD. If some one wrote it, I might have missed it, considering the length of this thread.

Per your suggestion, I used the "Disc Image or saved project" option. What it seems to do is to open up the .iso file and put several files onto the CD. Perhaps it is obvious to the experts as to what an iso file means and this process might be quite obvious to them. To me it was a very frustrating experience.

Thanks to you, the firmware update was finished before I completed this posting.

[cc2]

I was in the same position. Thanks for the "image CD" hint!

[jkennedy]

audvid,

Which JVC projector are you using it with? are you using DVI? I am having problems on a JVC G-150 with 20% of the right hand side of the image missing.

[audvid]

Originally posted by jkennedy
audvid,
Which JVC projector are you using it with? are you using DVI? I am using a G10. No DVI. Only RGBHV. I tried component out from momitsu to component in on the DILA but the picture was soft and not as good as the RGBHV.

On my 9" CRT:

1. I got the firmware 10-31-03 upgrade done. Due to lack of sufficient evaluation effort, I am unable comment on whether or not the new firmware improved the picture on my projectors.

2. The picture is 20% narrower (as compared to my Sony + Faroudja component connection picture) - It does not fill the screen (with horizontal/width adjustment maxed out). I might have to put the old firmware back to determine if this is related to the firmware upgrade.

While the picture is quite good, this player seems to take a lot of effort. The main and only thing it has proven to me is that the integrated scaling in digital domain is clearly superior and is superb. Only now do I realize as to why so many have spoken for so long about the merits of HTPC.

[bmwrob]

Originally posted by RayH
The DVI out contains analog RGB so it does output 1024x768p. All you need is a DVI-VGA adapter for less then $10.

Ray, thanks for the info. I already have an adapter from my ATI graphic card I can use. Maybe time to get down to my hifi shop and get hold of the machine then…

[satgeek]

BTW, firmware 11-10-03 is available now.

[audvid]

I wonder if a rep of Momitsu is monitoring this post. If so, I would like to post my suggestions/wish list for future firmware update:

1. I was told already that the firmware due in about 2 weeks will allow the user to modify contrast. It would be nice if it would allow us to modify horizontal and vertical sizes too.
2. User operation prohibition (UOP) disable so that we do not get the "invalid 0" message with fast forward. This is not usually an issue for US movies (usually, only Disney prohibits us from forwarding its initial commercials) but it is more so in certain foreign films. I realize I might well be the only person wanting this but I thought I might as well put it in.

[boik]

I installed the new firmware (11-10-03) in my Brainwave V-880 and the dvd movie that was impossible to load before, loaded just fine.
That dvd disc is full of scratches.

Bosse

[Seanrm]

Just a quickie:

A friend had just burnt me the latest firmware onto CD. We're at work now, so I just popped the disk into my PC drive here to see what was on it and my drive won't recognise the disc. I was expecting to at least be able to view a file or folder...

Is this normal (will my Momitsu recognise what my PC cannot) or should I ask him to burn it again for me?

Thanks.

Sean

[MichaelZ]

It should look like this:

Volume in drive D is NEW
Volume Serial Number is A7EF-34EE

Directory of D:\

10/31/2003 07:15p <DIR> bin
10/31/2003 07:15p <DIR> dev
11/10/2003 07:31p 8,222 fipmodule.o
11/10/2003 07:31p 424 flash.fuf
10/31/2003 07:15p <DIR> fonts
11/10/2003 07:31p 346,706 khwl.o
11/10/2003 07:31p 18,931 loader.bin
11/10/2003 07:31p 152,166 logo.png
10/31/2003 07:15p <DIR> proc
11/10/2003 07:31p 2,058,240 romfs.bin
6 File(s) 2,584,689 bytes
4 Dir(s) 0 bytes free

[Seanrm]

Thank you

[Seanrm]

All I have is:

momitsu_pwr_fix-10-31-03.iso

So I guess he has done something wrong?

He's using "Roxio EZ CD-Creator"

Sean

[Brian Day]

Does the new (latest) firmware enable 1080i/50hz via component? Or is it still just 60hz enabled? I don't really want to flash it unless it does this as my player is working just fine and dandy at the moment...:D

[EmuMannen]

Originally posted by Seanrm
All I have is:

momitsu_pwr_fix-10-31-03.iso

So I guess he has done something wrong?

He's using "Roxio EZ CD-Creator"

Sean

The .ISO file is a CD Image. You can burn it as an IMAGE with for example Nero (http://www.nero.com) (the software I use but probably with all other major burning softwares too) or even mount it as an "virtual CD" with a tool like DAEMON Tools (http://www.daemon-tools.cc) (the one I use but you can also use Nero Image Drive etc.).

The .ISO file should NOT be burned as an ordinary file to a CD if you want your V880 to read it. Think of the .ISO file as an archive of a CD (including files and layout etc.). So if I use this analogy then the V880 can read the files within the .ISO archive but not the archive itself (the .ISO file). You have to use a CD burning software to “unpack” the .ISO file and replicate the CD that the V880 is able to read. It would otherwise be like burning a zip file on a CD and give it to someone that can read the files in the zip archive but not the zip file itself!

I hope I managed to explain this in a way that someone not familiar with the ISO Image concept might understand. It might reduce the number of coasters and lower the level of frustration for some... :p

[Seanrm]

Thank you for that!

[Hobart]

Originally posted by audvid
I wonder if a rep of Momitsu is monitoring this post. If so, I would like to post my suggestions/wish list for future firmware update:


I seriously doubt they are reading this. They have pretty bad customer service and I am sure they don't read English very well. At least that is what I gather after my phone conversations with them here in Taiwan. They are just some kind of trading company selling China made crap. China can make low tech things, but not this kind of product.

[Erik Garci]

Originally posted by audvid
I wonder if a rep of Momitsu is monitoring this post.
I think they monitor the Momitsu DVD-V880 forum (http://www1.hivizone%2Ecom/forum/display_forum_topics.asp?ForumID=2).

[luvflix]

If you have updated your firmware from 10-31-03 to 11-10-03, please post your opinion about the difference. The 10-31-03 is working so well that I'm afraid of messing it up.

Pete

[Xander]

I've applied the 11-10-03 firmware (using the player with a Sony HS10 player). The update went smoothly without any problems (as did the 10-31-03 version).

Noticed the following:

- have an increased problem with loading discs where the screen would blank. Sometimes opening and closing the tray works. Other times I have to pull thr power cord out and plug it back in. This is very annoying.

- now I'm not 100% sure about this one, but it appears to me as if the 720P feed over component gives a sharper picture than with the previous firmware. I have no easy way of verifying this, other than to go back to prev firmware and back again (maybe using AVIA or similar) but I'd like to hear whether anyone else notices this - specifically if they could look carefully before applying the firmware. With the previous firmware I could not watch 720Pover component (picture was too soft) and now I can -- maybe my standards have dropped or maybe the picture is really sharper...?

Update: I don't think 720P is actually sharper - comparing the same DVD against DVI from HTPC - the HTPC feed is MUCH sharper.

Oh, btw 1080i is still 60Hz...

Those are the only changes I've noticed.

[Brian Robson]

Originally posted by luvflix
If you have updated your firmware from 10-31-03 to 11-10-03, please post your opinion about the difference. The 10-31-03 is working so well that I'm afraid of messing it up.

Pete

I have noticed that with 11-10-03 firmware, the DVI custom settings are
'remembered' over power off/on, i.e after unplugging the power for whatever reason, then applying power again later, it keeps the same settings, whereas before I am sure the setings were lost and had to be set up again.

Brian

[narrw]

UPDATED TO THE 11-10-03 FIRMWARE.....STARTED HAVING DISC LOADING PROBLEMS, ALSO THE UNIT WOULD FREEZE UP AND WOULD LOSE THE PLAYER DISPLAY!!!! PICTURE SEEMED LESS VIVID. SOOOOO RE-FLASHED BACK TO 10-31-03 FIRMWARE ,PRESTO! EVERYTHING IS WORKING FINE (.BETTER) AN ADDED BONUS----PICTURE IS VIVID AND STABLE AGAIN.AND MY DISPLAY DOESN'T BLANK OUT.. CONCLUSION, THE 10-31-03 IS MUCH FIRMER FIRMWARE:D

[EmuMannen]

Is it possible to still download the 10-31-03 firmware from somewhere? I did't grab it in the first place so I can't compare it to the 11-10-03 that I am running now (without any problems, as long as the disks are clean).

[boik]

Emumannen: You got mail.

Bosse

[luvflix]

With the 10-31-03 firmware (shows as v 1.09 on the setup menu), my loader problem seems to have gone and the colors seem more saturated than the version came with the unit (v 1.05). So far, it seems flawless.

At least 4 people commented that the latest firmware (11-10-03) causes loader issues in various forums. I agree that we may be better off staying with 10-31-03. I do wish the Menowa people watch these threads.

Pete

[Brian Day]

Could someone please e mail me the 103103 version? Be very grateful...

[EmuMannen]

Originally posted by luvflix
With the 10-31-03 firmware (shows as v 1.09 on the setup menu), my loader problem seems to have gone and the colors seem more saturated than the version came with the unit (v 1.05). So far, it seems flawless.

At least 4 people commented that the latest firmware (11-10-03) causes loader issues in various forums. I agree that we may be better off staying with 10-31-03. I do wish the Menowa people watch these threads.

Pete

What about DVI custom settings beeing 'remembered' over power off/on with the 10-31-03 firmware?

[EmuMannen]

Originally posted by EmuMannen
What about DVI custom settings beeing 'remembered' over power off/on with the 10-31-03 firmware?

I answer this my self. I downgraded from 11-10-03 to 10-31-03. I found my custom 720p@50Hz values when I entered the custom settings menu (9-7-1-3)! I then pulled the power plug and found that it remebered my custom settings. I will now run this version for a while and se if I find any differences compared with 11-10-03...

[Brian Day]

Now have the firmware I was looking for...many thanks to Emumannen for this.

[Muse]

Originally posted by Brian Day
Could someone please e mail me the 103103 version? Be very grateful...

Edit: Thanks to Brian Day for relaying that 10/31/03 firmware to me.


Had posted:
I too would appreciate someone sending me the 10/31/03 version of the V880 firmware. Please send it to musicant@pacbell.net

Thanks so much!

I will edit this post saying I've received it when that happens.

Dan

[Brian Day]

You got mail...:)

[greg snow]

Grrr.... I'm about ready to cut my throat.
The sooner we can get our hands on a really solid player that does DVI and 720p the better. I now have TWO 880s. One is hacked up, with a LiteOn 166s sitting on top, the other is my original 880.
I'm almost ashamed of the amount of time and money I've wasted in the past 3 weeks on these friggin machines. I've become obsessed!
After I sent several stinking emails to Manowa, they sent me a replacement 880 from Taiwan. Very decent of them.
There was a sting in the tail, cos they labelled it wrong and I had to pay 75 quid to UK Customs....
So I plug it in, all excited, and surprise, surprise, it's just as flakey as the last one. Except this one is flakey on different discs.
So, like the fool I am, I go get a LIteOn 166, flash it region-free, and hook it up to the 880's m/board.
For about 20 minutes I am in heaven. My tricky discs are all playing fine! I start running around making weird little whimpering noises of pleasure. And then... the damn thing starts freezing on discs that worked PERFECTLY on the other machine.
I really have had it up to here with this machine. I have now spent 599 US dollars (according to xe.com), just because I want to see DVI output on the Marantz S3 that I am still waiting for. It's got to that horrible point where I can't actually enjoy a movie, because I'm on edge the whole time, just waiting for a freeze.
5 years ago, when I first got into this hobby, I had an HTPC with a hardware decoder card. HTPCs are supposedly "difficult", right? Yeah - the only problem it ever gave me was that the SP/DIF output was unreliable, and that was only when I changed regions.
The real irony is that the cheapest, tinniest little DVD player in my house, which cost less than a tank of petrol, plays absolutely everything, PERFECTLY. It now sits at the bottom of a stack: one regular 880 (because that plays SOME discs, better than the hacked one); one hacked 880 with a LiteOn 166 sitting inelegantly on top, and finally my Teknika Cheapo. Fortunately it has component out, and when I get the S3 it'll be there for all those adorable moments yet to come, when the 880 freezes halfway through a movie. When I've got guests.

I've yet to see DVI 720p. All I can say is that it had better be bloody worth it. Oh, no, I can say something else: Manowa, I hate you and your flakey products. I hope you go down a big Taiwanese toilet, RSN.

[Brian Day]

Greg,
when you've calmed down a little, I think you may want to actually have a look at your setup. I've read somewhere (can't remember for the life of me) that these machines are very prone to heat. If you have 3 DVD players stacked, then maybe heat is your problem.
As you know, I replaced the loader with the 166s and my player HAS NEVER froze or refused any disc since I did it. It is on a shelf by itself. It sits on glass. there is a Sky+ PVR beneath it (probably about 6 inches) and nothing above it. It does a lot warmer with the Liteon instaled, but still no freeze.
I have had a problem on 2 occasions since I swapped loaders. One is a persistent one with the region 2 disc of Crimson Tide. It may take 5 or 6 attempts to get it to play. I'm putting that down to a disc problem. The other problem was The Life Of David Gale which I rented. It looked like someone had eaten pizza from the playing surface - it stuck once on the menu and then played fine all the way through without a hitch...
Maybe if you could move your player away from any other equipment or heat sources and give it another go. I think you are probably not unlucky enough to have 2 duff machines and time to move it maybe...?

Edit - do you have it connected to any other source either? (looping it through something...) I tried looping my Brainwave player through my Sky+ box via the RGB scart but it made the picture judder at anything over 480p. Remove the scart lead, no judder!! Just a thought mind...

[greg snow]

Hi Brian,
Thanks for the suggestion. In fact I only put the 3 in a stack at the end of the day. Before then there wasn't a heat issue - in fact, everything was running with the covers off.
I have calmed down a bit. In all honesty, 90% of my commercially-produced discs play okay. But DVD-r is very unpredictable. (And before anyone makes a high and mighty remark, I like to back up my own DVDs to skip the menus, warnings and commercials, okay?).
I know that DVD recordable isn't as solid as Cd-r, but my Dvd-rs play fine in all my machines, except the Momitsu.
I wonder where the fault REALLY lies? My knowledge isn't good enough. The loader? The firmware? Or is there something inherently wrong with the Sigma chipset? Are there any players using the chipset that function perfectly, or at least, very well?

PS: I'll PM you when the S3 arrives. Still no word!

[Kysersose]

I must be really lucky? I have nothing but good things to report about this DVD player. I use Component @ 720P and 1080i and it works like a charm. I had one problem with "Dinosaur" locking up at the exact same place everytime but it turned out that the early version had problems and Disney replaced it, new one works fine.
Maybe it's because I'm not using DVI yet?

Still, I clean EVERY DVD that I own before putting it in the machine and I have never had a lock-up or rejected DVD. I'm now using the newest firmware and this is the second firmware that I've upgraded to without a problem. If I had some of the problems I've been reading... I would lose it too!

Maybe it's my setup or maybe it's the fact that I clean every DVD.
Who knows?

[Brian Day]

My own personal opinion is the fault lies in the power supply. It's rated 100 - 240v. Surely it can't be that stable. Maybe if they produced something foe European owners with a 240v powers supply only, I don't think we'd get half the problems...all other kit that I've had that's multi voltage has had a switch to flick from a to b. Not this though...

[jrosado]

Greg:

You should try the Yamakawa DVD 365divx. It's a momitsu clone, but much more stable! I had a Brainwave before and it was a pain in the a***. I returned it. Now i have this Yamakawa and it's like heaven. Not a single lockup, plays everything a put inside. Dam..i even start to think that if i give him a pizza, he will play!

Regards,
J. Rosado

[audvid]

Originally posted by Kysersose
I use Component @ 720P and 1080i and it works like a charm. I too am using the 10-31-03 firmware. I have not had loading problems and I don't clean the discs.

What I am confused is that not too many seem to have the problems I have:

1. Component output is awful - whether 720p or otherwise. Visibly soft and dull.
2. RGBHV is great at 720p and 1080i - however, I had to raise the contrast on my CRT.

I have tried componen out with both DILA and Christie 9500lc. Picture is noticably very bad. I suppose I could have it replaced but I am wondering if it would be a jump from fire pot into the fire.

Are there any (many?) others with this component out problem?

[Muse]

How do you clean your DVDs? I've never cleaned one. I need to find out how to properly and safely clean DVDs. Thanks.

Dan

Originally posted by Kysersose
I must be really lucky? I have nothing but good things to report about this DVD player. I use Component @ 720P and 1080i and it works like a charm. I had one problem with "Dinosaur" locking up at the exact same place everytime but it turned out that the early version had problems and Disney replaced it, new one works fine.
Maybe it's because I'm not using DVI yet?

Still, I clean EVERY DVD that I own before putting it in the machine and I have never had a lock-up or rejected DVD. I'm now using the newest firmware and this is the second firmware that I've upgraded to without a problem. If I had some of the problems I've been reading... I would lose it too!

Maybe it's my setup or maybe it's the fact that I clean every DVD.
Who knows?

[Kysersose]

I use a mixture of water and isopropyl alcohol. (About 90% water, 10% isopropyl.) Wipe in a straight line from the center out, never in a circular motion.
Works great!

[Rieper]

Does anyone have trouble playing Terminator 3 or Finding Nemo? I live in the US and have both Region 1 DVDs, but the Momitsu is a pain in the butt to load these two titles specifically. They are right out of the shrink wrap and still the Momo does not recognize them.

I have it set to Region 1, and Macrovision off. But it doesn't matter what settings I use. 1 out of every 25 times I load either movie it doesn't recognize the DVD and shows NO CD. My PC DVD player recognizes both DVDs perfectly each and everytime I load them.

What gives? Both titles are new and right out of the shrink wrap...:confused:

[EmuMannen]

Here are my findings when it comes to the 11-10-03 vs. 10-31-03 firmware. I have had no problems with the 11-10-03, except with dirty disks. I only run the 10-31-03 for a short while but it has given me nothing but trouble. It first started to hang when I was playing and browsing an ISO CD full of MP3 files. It then refused to load a Superbit DVD. The very same DVD loaded ok after a reboot and after playing some other disks.

I have now reverted to 11-10-03 and I haven’t had any problems, yet. I also had the chance to hook up my Brainwave V880 with a Marantz S3. Talk about “Lady and the Tramp”! The performance of the V880 was impressive. I can’t tell if it is worth the hassle for everyone, but I will keep mine because the PQ on my TW100 trough DVI is stunning.

I hope Manowa will put a better loader and power supply in the V880N. I also hope that my current V880 wont mess up to much until the V880N hits the market...

[greg snow]

Brian: I have a big transformer that converts 240/50Hz to 110/60Hz, and it makes no difference to the reliability of the 880(s!).

jrosado: Yes, I've followed your posts about the Yamakawa. I have thought about it. Is the DVI picture just as good as it was on the 880? If so, I might just face the music and buy yet another DVD player. This hobby is crazy...

Rieper: One out of 25! I wish I had your luck. But, as it happens, my r1 T3 has never given any problems. Go figger.

[audvid]

I have just received message from momitsu (hivizone forum), which seems to indicate they know that picture quality on RGBHV out is better than that from component out. They claim that this problem is not related just to my machine.

Those of you who seem to like the picture through component output, could you compare it to RGBHV?

Also, have the picture width and contrast become an issue for any of you?

On the positive side, I don't seem to have loading problems (yet.). I have tried only a few DVDs. Nemo and Matrix 2 played fine.

Thank you.

[jrosado]

Greg:

a long time has passed between the two players, in which i had none. But i can say, as far i remember, that the picture quality was equal in the two players.

Regards,
J. Rosado

[greg snow]

Thanks jrosado. I'm putting my "Momitsu stack" on a 2 week probation. If it's a bad, bad boy I'll get a Yamakawa. I see they're now avilable from Germany for e149.

[RayH]

Originally posted by audvid
I have just received message from momitsu (hivizone forum), which seems to indicate they know that picture quality on RGBHV out is better than that from component out. They claim that this problem is not related just to my machine.

Those of you who seem to like the picture through component output, could you compare it to RGBHV?

Also, have the picture width and contrast become an issue for any of you?

On the positive side, I don't seem to have loading problems (yet.). I have tried only a few DVDs. Nemo and Matrix 2 played fine.

Thank you.

Analog RGBHV on mine has always looked better than component at the same resolutions. Component by comparison is darker and softer. Also unless one of the standard component resolutions is 1:1 pixel matched to your display you run the possibility of losing pixels due to overscan. I had loading problems with the 11-10-03 firmware so I back down to 10-31-03 which for me is alot more stable. Also using the LiteOn 166 drive.

[clos]

jrosado, what is the last firmware for Yamakawa 365? its the same that Momitsu.

thanks

[jrosado]

Hi:

The last firmware is the one that comes with the player :). However there will be a release of a new firmware by the end of the month that will allow selection of 576p and 780p in the DVI output. I don't think it's the same as the Momitsu, since there are differences and this player is a lot more stable: no problems recognizing dvd's, no lock up's, etc...

Regards,
J. Rosado

[Gary Gleave]

Does the Yamakawa out put RGB.
The USA rep knew nothing of this machine.

Gary

[jrosado]

Hi:

do you mean RGBVH like in the VGA connection, or only RGB like in the European SCART? Anyway, the RGB component it's available in the SCART. The RGBVH it's available in the DVI output, since it's a DVI-I, which has both analog and digital components.

I also heard that by the end of the year (maybe beginning of next year) Yamakawa will have a new model produced for USA.

Regards,
J. Rosado

[jrosado]

Hi:

I've just be at the Yamakawa web page, and i think the model for the USA it's the 368Divx. You can see the specifications here:

http://www.yamakawa.de/produkte/dvd365_USA.htm

small quote from the text:

"In DivX and DVD mode, the DVD-368DivX offers a special zoom, picture size and positioning function, which makes connection to a projector very simple. You can forget about the normal hustle for picture adjustments."


Regards,
J. Rosado

[Gary Gleave]

Sorry, I should have been more specific, RGBHV.
I pointed that unit out to the rep. over the phone.
He said it was't available yet and was unaware of the unique features, or benifets they bring. Very friendly, but not up to date.
The web site specifies the 386 DVI port as digital. Do you think it supports both analog and digital?

Gary

[jrosado]

Hi:

They say the same at the DVD-365Divx (http://www.yamakawa.de/produkte/dvd365_US.htm) but the true it's that it has got a DVI-I and not a DVI-D like they say. Since the 368 and the 365 are exactly the same model (the 365 as a universal power supply: 100-240V AC), only differing on their name, i'm pretty sure that the 368 output it's a DVI-I.

Regards,
J. Rosado

[tutash]

Just recieved V880 from HK. I was excited to get it set up. I yanked the cord off of my Xbox, plugged in the composite, plugged in the unit, dropped in 5th Element Superbit, and it froze. Dead. "Load" is on the display. I tried unplugging it again. I tried a bunch of times. Nothing. And the DVD still inside the machine. Drat.


So... I'm waiting to hear back from Hivizone. In the mean time, does anyone know if there's some silly, simple fix for this?

I'd like to get the DVD out for starters.

thanks

tutash

[EmuMannen]

Originally posted by tutash
Just recieved V880 from HK. I was excited to get it set up. I yanked the cord off of my Xbox, plugged in the composite, plugged in the unit, dropped in 5th Element Superbit, and it froze. Dead. "Load" is on the display. I tried unplugging it again. I tried a bunch of times. Nothing. And the DVD still inside the machine. Drat.
I had the very same problem with 5th Element Superbit and the 10-31-03 firmware! I pulled the plug a few times but it refused to play. I then tried another DVD first that played and the 5th Element played ok after that!?! Go figure... I am now running the 11-10-03 firmware and I have had no problems with it, yet... :p

[greg snow]

There's no doubt that the 880 behaves better after a hard reset, I think we all agree.
So, I went and bought an inline switch like you use for a tablelamp and put it in the power cord. Now I switch it off after *every* DVD.
I know it's a kludge but it's easier than yanking out the cord every time!

[jrosado]

Originally posted by tutash

I'd like to get the DVD out for starters.

thanks

tutash

Hi:

when i had my Brainwave V880, i got stucked with a cd inside it. Simply there was no way to make it eject the cd! The solution: i pick up a screw driver, opend the player, open the dvd drive and took off the cd. Remounted everything and returned the player! Today i'm a happy owner of a Yamakawa DVD-365Divx player :D. Not a single lookup until now!! :p


Regards,
J. Rosado

[satgeek]

Originally posted by tutash


I'd like to get the DVD out for starters.



Try this, unplug the V880, while keeping the eject pressed, plug it back in. Worked for me in the past.

[wblynch]

I would blame Microsoft....

It must be that Windows-based power cord!! :)

Originally posted by tutash
I yanked the cord off of my Xbox ... and it froze. Dead.

[asagarra]

Originally posted by wblynch
I would blame Microsoft....

It must be that Windows-based power cord!! :)

:-))))))))))))))

[tutash]

No luck with pressing the eject button while powering-up. No buttons make any difference. I'm more than a little dissappointed with the conditions of this DVD player: non-functioning.

Crazy as this sounds though, I now want to buy another Momitsu product, the V880N. (http://211.20.42.147/dvdplayer880N.html) If they can get quality under control, and make this networked, wireless, upgradable (add a hard-drive) uber-DVD player a reality, I'll take a chance on it. The fact that they're going to be offering scaling from 480i s-video sources is an awesome option. This simple-looking DVD player could replace the features of an HTPC.


enjoy

tutash

[Wesley Hester]

You guys have got me thinking seriously about getting a Yamakawa. I'm looking at several Sigma Designs 8500 based players. However, none have the valuable feedback you are providing about the Yamakawa. The NeuNeo from Neodigits has a great FAQ on its webpage but it doesn't have DVI though.

I'm still liking my Momitsu but I'm not able to love it because of all the quirks: not starting a DVD out of the blue at random; pausing during play (just happen with Dare Devil - going to clean the disc, saw a few spects, will try again); etc.
I haven't had major problems like discs stuck in the transport or anything requiring a hard reset.
I do have to do certain things I would never have to even think about with my other players like: totally disconnecting the power when I'm finished using it (have a flip switch like you greg snow) because the unit stays too hot; making sure to press Play instead of Eject to close the tray; pressing Stop twice everytime; etc, etc.
Does it have time remaining? -a feature I've found I like more and more lately with other players.

[jrosado]

Hi:

No, unfortunately it does not have a remaining time feature. However i was told that they are making efforts to include it in the next firmware.

Regards,
J. Rosado

[Xander]

I'd also like it to display the chapter number as you press [next chapter] button.

I wonder whether a firmware update is ever likely to improve the component output signal since it is just way too soft for my liking?

[asagarra]

Originally posted by Wesley Hester
You guys have got me thinking seriously about getting a Yamakawa. I'm looking at several Sigma Designs 8500 based players. However, none have the valuable feedback you are providing about the Yamakawa. The NeuNeo from Neodigits has a great FAQ on its webpage but it doesn't have DVI though.


I think we are all as concerned with these players problems' as convinced that we haven't got the super final universal player.

I see this player as a temporary option before HQ manufacturers deliver DVI equipments at a reasonable price. I believe that today Marantz DV-8400 is the only HQ option and price is still far from what I consider a reasonable price for a DVD player.

DVI is absolutely a must when using digital screens or projectors. My guess is that manufacturers won't take very much time before delivering DVI as a common feature. Then, I believe I won't be the only one replacing these 'electronic toys' for A/V equipments.

[jrosado]

Hi:

there's a new firmware avaible for the yamakawa 365divx dvd player! You can read all about the new features in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=2966541#post2966541

I'm now a very very proud owner of a yamakawa player:D :D


Regards,

J. Rosado

[Contreras]

Hello.

In all the discussions I have seen the praises for the Yamakawa. Unfortunately I have not been able to find a provider that ships this unit to the US. The vendors I have contacted do not ship to the US, one citing export restrictions.

Is there anybody who was able to get a Yamakawa player in the US? I understand that they have made a 368 version for the US, but I have not been able to find that one for sale, and I do not know if, because it is marketed to the US, they have removed the secret menu.

Thanks for helping this clueless novice

[wblynch]

Do I take that to mean you flashed a Momitsu V-880 with the Yamakawa firmware? It that better than the momitsu firmware?

Thanks, Bill

Originally posted by jrosado

I'm now a very very proud owner of a yamakawa player:D :D

[jrosado]

Hi:

No, i did not flashed a momitsu with Yamakawa firmware. The sentence you quoted comes from the sequence of a previous sentence in which i said: " I'm now proud owner of a Yamakawa player", when i delivered my brainwave and had my yamakawa. I'm just re forcing that sentence, in the fact that now i'm even more happy then i was before, with this new firmware!

Don't try to use the yamakawa firmware on your Momitsu/Brainwave!!!
Sorry for the mess!

Regards,
J. Rosado

[asagarra]

Originally posted by jrosado

Don't try to use the yamakawa firmware on your Momitsu/Brainwave!!!
Sorry for the mess!

Regards,
J. Rosado

J.Rosado: I wouldn't even think about that. However... it seems like something as risky as interesting to try. If they're both using the same Sigma Designs kit and the only differences are on the disc tray, the box and the power source.. mmm.. it could work

When you say don't try.. is it because you've already done so at any time with a catastrofic result? or is it just that you consider that they are pretty different machines?

In fact, I am flashing my brainwave with Momitsu firmwares. I know they are exactment the same equipments but I don't know how far yamakawa is from these.

[jrosado]

Hi:

When i say don't try, it's because the end result may be catastrophic! I never tried that and i don't want to encourage anyone to do that! If anyone feels tempted to do that, do it at his(her) own risk! The machines are probably very equal inside (maybe the loader and the power supply are different). Even the setup menus are very close, but not totally equal! I can't say for sure if it's a better firmware that gives the Yamakawa a better stability, or a better selection of components! All i know it's that this player it's much more stable and problem free then the Braiwave/Momitsu players!

Also, when in the few days i had the Brainwave, i done an update to the firmware, using the update provided by Brainwave, the update screen referred to Momitsu player update. In this player (the Yamakawa) there was not such reference!!

Contreras:

try to speak to the yamakawa sales department using the following contacts:

Tel : 800 - 814-9614
Fax: 800 - 814-9613
eMail: sales@yamakawausa.com


Regards,

J. Rosado

[emailists]

I bought the V880 based on post here, and with my Z2 it has a milky quality becuase of the high black levels- - any insight into why this is happening (bumping up RGB values of 0 up to 16?) Yes the image is sharper than my sony progressive player, but honestly right now I am not that impressed with the V880. The Sony image looks corrects, despsite it flaws.

Did I read that the next firmware will fix this?

Also does the D1 exhibit this same bug?


On a positive note, some of the solarazation I see in gradients from the the Sony 715 are not there on V880. I had always assumed this was a product of mpeg 2 compression, but it is not there (or possibly hidden by the higher black levels) with the V-880.

[deweychetham]

Greetings;

Just joined the forum.

I'm also looking for the Momitsu V880 103103 firmware, as I also missed the chance to download it -- could someone please post it or e-mail it to me??

I have the 111003 ready to try, as well as a backup copy of the June 03 firmware that shipped with my unit (in case anything goes horribly wrong.)

And, what's up with Manowa pulling the 103103 firmware from their site when they posted the 111003 version? Older versions are still up...

Thanks!

[smurf5599]

Hi , PM me your email address and I'll send it to you ...

Smurf5599

[Erik Garci]

Since I upgraded to firmware 111003, I have been experimenting with the Custom DVI menu. I created a new setting with a vertical sync of 47.95 Hz, which uses 2:2 pulldown for movies and thus is free of 3:2 pulldown's motion-judder artifacts. Fortunately my display supports this vertical sync. I have noticed that motion is much smoother now, especially during pans, as expected. However, it is not perfect because the player will mistakenly skip or repeat a refresh on rare occasions, but it is very nearly perfect.

By the way, there is a smooth pan at the beginning of the Tin Toy animated short on the Toy Story DVD, and it can be looped easily by pressing the PREV button. It is useful for evaluating the player's performance in terms of motion smoothness. Scrolling credits are also useful.

[deweychetham]

One of the things I'd like to try with my monitor is 1080/24Psf (a SONY band-aid for their monitors that can't do true 1080/24P)

I'm still reading up on it, but it seems that -/24P can be refreshed at 48 or 72 Hz. /24Psf, on the other hand is an interlaces format. Some things I've read suggest that -/24Psf can be at either 48 or 72 fields per second. I'd like to try it to see if it takes out the 3:2 judder, though the inter-field 'combing' would still be there.

Does the new firmware support custom composite output? My monitor, the Sony PVM 20L5/1, doesn't support DVI, although with option cards it will support HDSDI.

Oh, and 720P at 48HZ would also be interesting...

[emailists]

Hey Dewey, I have The PVM20L5 as well for my HD (and STandard Def) edit system. The HDSDI input is like $3500. I havnt' looked at the V800 into the sony, but To me the V88) component looks very soft compared to the DVI. BTW when I bought my PVM SOny was giving away a 16x9 bezel for free. ALso I noticed the HD input was overscanning way too much- so I had them re align it for almost no overscan (since most HD home viewing devices have almost no overscan i.e plasma and PJ's)

[Muse]

Can I update the firmware on my V880 by burning to a CDRW? I'm using Nero and have burned data disks and copied a lot of disks but don't know my way around Nero. Tips appreciated.

Dan

[RayH]

I've been using a fresh CDRW for all my firmware updates. I think I had a problem though with re-written CDRW's. No need to waste a CD.

[Muse]

Originally posted by RayH
I've been using a fresh CDRW for all my firmware updates. I think I had a problem though with re-written CDRW's. No need to waste a CD. Oh, well, I did waste one (I put the ISO in the root directory alongside a couple of directories on a CDRW that was "used", but it didn't work), but I'm having a problem with the CDR I just wrote. I have followed the procedure, but instead of the screen coming up that says Momitsu Firmware Update, I get a screen that looks like this:

Library


...Audio

...Video

...Photo Pictures

...Playlist


I can scroll from one to another with the down arrow, but Enter does nothing. In the Momitsu's front panel display it says "ISOCO". The instructions say to read and interpret the "VFD screen". What's that? What's going on, where am I and what should I do???? Thanks.

Dan:rolleyes:

[deweychetham]

Interesting--

I first updated with 111003. After the update, I ran a safe test disk ("Digital Video Essentials" -- 'safe' because it was region 0.) The disk played with no problem, and I pulled it after the first couple of minutes.

Then I played a Region 2 disk with the player set to Region 2 (one of my superstitions, like waiting for Windows to fully boot and the drive light to stop blinking for 10 seconds before attempting anything on my freshly-booted computer--)

Bad news. The openings played fine in 4:3. But when the feature came up in 16:9, the screen stayed black, black, black -- and the audio had a periodic hiccup in it!

Thank god Smurf5599 supplied me with 103103.

After flashing with that version, I had no problems playing the R2 disk. The picture seems a bit changed from the firmware my machine came with -- more contrasty and a tad less color saturation -- but not in a bad way. I just need to get out the test-signal DVDs and touch up the settings on the monitor.

Whyinth'ell did Manowa jerk the 103103 firmware after releasing the 111003? Right now that seems STOOPID--

[sap]

Update firmware update
Until yesterday I've been using original 5-19-03 firmware that came with the v880. I have had no problems with it, except very rare occasional pause during playback. So I was hesitating of doing any firmware updates. The only real weakness of 5-19-03 was the failure of custom resolution to work in DVI set up.
Since I am using DVI -D output to my FPJ, custom res. feature seems indispensable in order to obtain 1:1 pixel mapping. So I decided to update to 11-10-03 newest version available on manowa web site.
The results are the following:
Old version- when I change custom resolution, screen goes very, very blue in any custom resolution and frequencies combination I was using. Practically unwatchable. I had to go back to preset resolutions to restore picture. Among presets, 720p was giving the best PQ and pretty close to 1024x768 on the PJ, the later, however, was the best for the CRT TV (720 p did not worked on TV, although it has 720p as native res.).
New version- I cannot change custom resolution at all. After going into custom mode, changing numbers, and pressing enter, everything just goes back to the original preset, ignoring all changes.
In old firmware 1080i resolution was not really stable on my Sharp Dt-200 PJ, while working fine with TV.
New firmware gives the same result, no change.
Everything else appears so far as the same, in terms of playback, remote control, ect.

The good news in new firmware is 3 additional sets of resolution called LU300wide within DVI menu. Those include 800x600 res. , the one I was seeking for 1:1 mapping. I tried it, it works pretty well, and the PQ is a notch better than in 720p mode. It is either sharper or somewhat cleaner, I am not sure at this point, needed to do more comparison. Definitely there is an improvement over 720p in previous firmware.

Now I am wondering, why some people report that custom resolution is working with 10-13-03 firmware, while others have no luck with later version. One would assume that the latest firmware should include all updates. May be it is not the case. But than, should I install 10-13-03 first in order for custom resolution to work, and than update to 11-10-03? Any advice would be appreciated.

[Muse]

Sap, are you talking about the 10/13/03 firmware or the 10/31/03 version?

Can anyone reply and help me update my firmware. My V880 is evidently not recognizing the momitsu-11-10-03.iso file I've burned on a CDR and CDRW. I'm burning with Nero 5.5.9.14. The CDR is seen as a media CDR and I'm given the media menu to choose from Video, Audio, Picture, etc. TIA.

Dan

[sap]

Muse,
It must have been mixed in my head. The one I installed is 111003 version, and one I was referring as previous is 100103 version. sorry.

In order to create CD for update, you have to unzip file first, and you'll get 2 files, iso file and readme file. Take your CD burning software and ask to burn CD from the iso file. Most likely it will automatically create disk image and unpack iso file into directories, files , ect. I am using Mac, and cannot help you with Nero. When I used Roxio soft for Mac yesterday, it did not produce correct disk. When I realized it later on, the only option for me at the time was to I ask my friend with PC, so I did, and we used "easy CD creator" or whatever it is called, standard PC soft, and were able to make disk out of iso file, right away.
"Disk copy" seems to work for Mac users, as I found it today.
Good luck.

[RayH]

Originally posted by Muse
Sap, are you talking about the 10/13/03 firmware or the 10/31/03 version?

Can anyone reply and help me update my firmware. My V880 is evidently not recognizing the momitsu-11-10-03.iso file I've burned on a CDR and CDRW. I'm burning with Nero 5.5.9.14. The CDR is seen as a media CDR and I'm given the media menu to choose from Video, Audio, Picture, etc. TIA.

Dan

momitsu-11-10-03.iso is a cd image file which contains the actual files that need to be burned. If you're using Nero, choose File and then Burn Image... and select momitsu-11-10-03.iso

After putting the disk into the player, you'll need to completely power off the player by unplugging the cord. Then plug the cord back in while holding down the Stop button. Wait until "BootCD" shows on the display before releasing the button. It then takes about 10 seconds before the firmware update window appears on your display.

[sap]

Need some clarification. Second to last firmware update on the Manowa web site is version 100103, which contained iso file 10-01-03. Many posts on this thread are talking about 10-31-03 firmware. Is it different from 10-01-03? And is it no longer available on the web site?
If it is the case, can some one send me 10-31-03 by e-mail to: pemoht@hotmail.com
I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

[boik]

sap: I tried to email but..
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

pemoht@hotmail.com

Bosse

[sap]

Thanks for help, boik.
That is strange, never had a problem before.
May I ask you to try email to : persikoff@yahoo.com

Thanks a lot.

[deweychetham]

Originally posted by sap
Muse, <snip>
Take your CD burning software and ask to burn CD from the iso file. Most likely it will automatically create disk image and unpack iso file into directories, files , ect. I am using Mac, and cannot help you with Nero.

I used Nero.

You have to tell it to 'unpack' the .iso file.

Click on [OPEN] in the main Burning Rom window. A file-select window opens. Tell that window to [LOOK IN] the directory you put the .iso file in, and ALSO tell that window to look for [FILES OF TYPE] (the drop down menu at the bottom of the window) {Image Files (*.nrg, *.iso, *.cue)}

Now you should see the .iso file you're trying to unpack and burn. Select it, burn it, update your firmware.

ONE MORE TIP! Rather than unplug/plug the V880, get a power strip with an on/off switch ready and plugged in, but with the switch turned off. Unplug the V880 from the wall and plug it into the turned-off power strip. Now, when you're ready to power the unit on, hit the switch...

[Muse]

Originally posted by RayH
momitsu-11-10-03.iso is a cd image file which contains the actual files that need to be burned. If you're using Nero, choose File and then Burn Image... and select momitsu-11-10-03.iso

After putting the disk into the player, you'll need to completely power off the player by unplugging the cord. Then plug the cord back in while holding down the Stop button. Wait until "BootCD" shows on the display before releasing the button. It then takes about 10 seconds before the firmware update window appears on your display.

This is exactly what I did but I still have a problem. Before, I just had the .iso file on the CDR, which obviously was not going to work. Now, I've created a CD from the image file (per the instructions above), and have a CDR with 6 files in the root directory, and 4 subdirectories (3 of them empty).

When I attempt the update, "LOAD" is displayed in the player's display window and nothing appears on screen. After a minute, the Momitsu turns itself off.

The update CDR is like this:

Root directory files are:

fipmodule.o
flash.fuf
khwl.o
loader.bin
logo.png
romfs.bin

Then there are directories:

bin (with two files)
dev (empty)
fonts (empty)
proc (empty)


Thanks for the help.

Dan

[sap]

Bosse,
you have PM

[RayH]

Muse, a couple other things to try:

hookup and set display for composite or s-video for the firmware update
burn firmware cd at a lower speed

I actually prefer the 10/31 firmware but others have no problems with the 11/10.

[jrosado]

Muse:

Did you press the stop button and keeped it pressed while pluging the player in the energy socket?

Regards,

J. Rosado

[Muse]

Originally posted by jrosado
Muse:

Did you press the stop button and keeped it pressed while pluging the player in the energy socket?

Regards,

J. Rosado What I have been doing is pressing and holding down the Stop button on the player itself while inserting the cord into the back of the player. Is that not right? Will that not work?

Dan