Zenith DVB318 Upscaling DVD player info thread

[PJO1966]

Gochnauer's is shipping... tracking number has arrived...

[rdwalt]

originally posted by Gray Davis
I'll get up, drink a cup of coffee, stretch, walk into the bathroom to brush my teeth, and when I look in the mirror ... there's no one there.

LOL :p

[drjlo]

I like to add some sweet 'n low and creamer to my coffee.

My wife only adds milk

Others prefer black

We all think this is how coffee is "supposed" to taste, and nobody is going to convince others this way is the correct coffee taste.

If measurements, graphs could accurately represent people's preferences, there would be no such things as vacuum-tube amplifiers, Van Gogh paintings, Bach's cello suites, and Krispy Kreme.

I'd also like to point out I like to change my TV's settings depending on room light conditions. Unless you have a room with zero light variance, I don't see how one setting fits all.

AVS forum member: "There, Joe. I've used AVIA and DVE as well as my seasoned eyes to calibrate your TV to perfection. Black level might be 0.0013% off from God-like perfection, but that's all I can do with only 20 man-hours."

Average Joe: "Thanks, dude." Joe walks to the TV after his friend leaves, turns up contrast a couple clicks as well as brightness. "Now, that's better."

[Gummi]

Quick question. If I'm going to use the componenet connections for this player.....are there any component cable suggestions? I know Monster has some amazing ones that are like $100 or something, but are there any good-great quality cables cheaper? Any really cheap for like $30 or something that are any good?

I read that the ones that come with it are horrible, I just wanted to get some opinions on that.

[Gray Davis]

Don't buy Monster. You're paying more for a "big" brand name, like buying designer jeans or something. There are plenty of existing threads on high quality, affordable component cables. I'd tell you where I bought mine but I can't find the link. Time to hit the search engine, buddy.

[Gummi]

Further question then, what's high quality? Are all cables the same basically, or is there something to "look" for.

[Gray Davis]

Originally posted by drjlo

We all think this is how coffee is "supposed" to taste, and nobody is going to convince others this way is the correct coffee taste.


Coffee is supposed to be consumed without additives. No sugar, no cream, no nothing. Just black. Anyone who says otherwise is beyond contempt. End of story.

[greeno]

Originally posted by jcord51
I have read quite a number of post explaining green undersaturation when the player is in 1080i mode and the recommended fixes for Sony rear projection tvs such as mine, 61hs30. I'm a little confused since what I have observed is that the overall picture displayed during dark sceanes is mostly green, as if the green tint was being applied. Once I adjusted the tv's service HD area from 1 to 0, I did note a reduction of green but there still was some. I then had to raise the TV mode setting from warm to cool. That made the picture similar in overall appearance to what is viewed at 480p. I just want to know if this is what you guys observed, or maybe I have to change the composite wires which came with the 318.

Observing a green cast to your picture (particularly dark scenes) means that your grayscale is off. the green is out of balance with red and blue at low ire's. Only a grayscale calibration can fix this.

jeff

[easylistener]

IT IS TRUE!

A friend of mine that is an authrized dealer told me today that they are going to be disabling compent upscale. This is what he wrote: Yep, everything you've heard on other forums is true. In August, Zenith will be "upgrading" the software on the DVB-318 player to disable the 720p/1080i via component video.

[Q of BanditZ]

Horrible decision. Very disappointed to hear that.

[Gray Davis]

easy, how did the rep say he knew this? Did he say someone at Zenith told him?


Anyway, can you IMAGINE how many pissed of HT consumers there are going to be if they really do that?

They should just cancel the model altogether. What's the point? It will go from being the most sought after player to the most hated over night.

[Gummi]

Well, I guess we don't have to upgrade our software......hopefully the problems that are apparent now will be fixed and we won't need a new firmware version in August.

[Gray Davis]

I should add that another distributor suggested more or less the same thing to me. BUT when I asked if this was 100 percent true, the distributor hedged a little bit. Still, I don't know why they would suggest it if it weren't true.

[Patrick TX]

These players we have that upconvert over component are gonna be worth some change if they do disable them. I'm keeping my G-Unit 318.

[easylistener]

I was thinking of gettting a couple of more just to sell on ebay. They will be the player that will sell off the shelfs.

The big Z told him. He also said that they were realy pushed into it. I am sure the movie companies had somthing to do with it. This is why they are getting hard to get.

[Q of BanditZ]

This news makes me sad.. :(

[dpippel]

A friend of mine that is an authrized dealer told me today that they are going to be disabling compent upscale.
No offense, but until this information can be verified by multiple sources with Zenith, or Zentih issues a press release, it's all just hearsay. "My friend who's an authorized dealer...". People in this forum have heard similiar claims over the years how many times? I'm taking this "news" with a very large grain of salt.

[sonick182]

Yeah, i agree with dpippel.

[Steve S]

Well I think those of us who already have one should fire up the cigars and pour the brandies, disappear into a cloud of smoke and congratulate ourselves on being masters of the universe, to paraphrase the one movie this player did the most for.

I too will only believe it when I actually hear of someone getting one with component upconvert disabled.

I'm not buying any extras, just hope mine holds up until my next display purchase at which time I'll get a set with DVI or whatever suits the Hollywood biggies.

I really was hoping the 318 would open the door to true HD players that would pass 1080i via component, alas.

[odinala]

I have it straight from the horse's mouth, Zenith is going to disable 1080i THROUGH DVI, component will still be 1080i. How do I know this? Go to the Zenith web site and look up the 318 and read the specs.:D

Bottom line is none of us know what the next release of the 318 will be until someone gets one. Let's wait and see...

[Gray Davis]

I think this topic deserves its own thread.

[JerMe]

Originally posted by odinala
I have it straight from the horse's mouth, Zenith is going to disable 1080i THROUGH DVI, component will still be 1080i. How do I know this? Go to the Zenith web site and look up the 318 and read the specs.:D

Bottom line is none of us know what the next release of the 318 will be until someone gets one. Let's wait and see...

Although I'm weary about how often and thorough Zenith is with their webpage information on the 318 (http://www.zenith.com/sub_prod/product_Display.asp?cat=15&id=178), I'm a little concerned about this disabling of the 1080i via component/DVI.

If you look closely at the "additional information" section (http://www.zenith.com/sub_prod/product_DisplaySpecs.asp?id=178#473), you'll notice that the UPC number that they post on the website, 04464230053 1, is different than that of the March 2004 build of the DVB318 (at least different from my "G" order). Perhaps those of you who already own this player can confirm this?

The player's mainpage describes the available jacks as "Jacks Include: Component Video Out, Digital Audio Out, S-Video Out, Composite Video Out, Audio Out". The website's description of the 318's "jack pack" is as follows:

Component Video Out 1 (1080i)
Digital Audio Out 1 (Optical), 1 (Coaxial)
S-Video Out 1
Composite Video Out 1
Audio Out 1 (L/R)

... which makes no mention of DVI? Maybe I'm missing something. It mentions "progressive scan video", but that might be describing 480p?

BLAH. I'll assume that the website is missing information. After all, we have the players here in front of us, doing 1080i via component, and it has DVI. The UPC thing is bugging me, though.

[Mark Lopez]

Well, I finally sat down to watch some movies with my 318 and experienced lockup after lockup. :( When it would lockup the only thing thing that would work was tray open/close. It did this on multiple titles. I tried powering it off and unplugging it for a while and no luck (and even that factory reset posted earlier). The same titles play fine in my Pioneer player. The 318 was connected via component and running 720p, not that that should matter. I did notice from the start that it would take a long time to initially read a disc although all of the lockups occurred late in the movie probably after the layer change.

Oh well, at least since I bought it at BB (on-line), I can just return it tomorrow.

[Gray Davis]

Ouch. That's terrible, Mark. I asked Jennifer at WWE if they'd gotten a lot dead units returned, and she said there were some, but not an unusual amount...I'm waiting on mine to get here (it is sitting in a UPS warehouse in my city, gathering dust as we speak) and when it does I'll put it through its paces and post about it here.

[CarlG]

Mark:

Sorry to hear of your problems. Like I've said, it appears that out of three 318s so far, two of them were defective in some fashion. Remind me, where is the info about the factory reset? In the Q&A? Is this the "1397139" reset talked about?

I may try that as one last thing before sending my latest 318 back. Thanks.

[abarsami]

It doesn't make sense to not have dvi ... no way.

[Mark Lopez]

Originally posted by CarlG
Remind me, where is the info about the factory reset? Is this the "1397139" reset talked about?

I may try that as one last thing before sending my latest 318 back. Thanks.

Yes, that's the one. Apparently it doesn't reset everything though because it still remembered where I was on the disc when it tried to start playing again (even after unplugging after the reset).

Also it did not always lock up in the same place. After I would get it working again, and played the same section over it would play fine but then lock up again later.

[abarsami]

I just emailed Zenith, let's see what they say about no dvi listed on their site.

[JeronimoColon]

Originally posted by JeronimoColon
Steve S (or anyone for that matter),

Could you tell me exactly how does one test for "white levels" i.e. 100ire?

I own both DVE and Avia and would love to know if my current DVD player (Toshiba) is "Crushing Whites."

I know it passes below black.


On another note, on Monday I ordered a 318 from "G" and am waiting for confirmation. I too sent them an email about the August delay and am awaiting their reply. If I hear anything I'll post back.

jc3

"G" didn't respond directly to my inquiries about the August delay or the circumstances surrounding it, but they did, finally, send me a tracking number! :D

Also, no one responded to my latter question about white levels. :(

Oh well...

jc3

[nat76ev]

For those that don't know, the Zenith website is worthless if you want current information on the dvb318. Do not form conclusions based on its information!! I have checked their site since December and it has not changed.

[CJayB]

I seriously doubt that the 318 will ever disable 1080i over component, but unfortunately they more than likely will disable copyprotected DVDs from using component. This way, Zenith can still claim 1080i capability, without really having it.

I also wouldn't be a bit surprised that if component 1080i is diabled, there will be a hack to inable it within a few weeks, likely through a hidden menu being revealed (like the Momitsu V880), or else a simple download off the web.

If not, Zenith can kiss this baby goodbye unless they plan on lowering the price substantially to sell to a different market.

[Q of BanditZ]

Originally posted by nat76ev
For those that don't know, the Zenith website is worthless if you want current information on the dvb318. Do not form conclusions based on its information!! I have checked their site since December and it has not changed.

Winner.

Seriously, their website is utterly worthless. They never update that damned thing.

If not, Zenith can kiss this baby goodbye unless they plan on lowering the price substantially to sell to a different market.

Winner ++.

I think that, officially, they may blow a lot of smoke on this, but unofficially...I wouldn't worry too much. This is called CYA to the max. Cover Your A$$.

If they really go through with this, they're going to be losing a nice niche in this marketplace very quickly.

[aydu]

Originally posted by Mark Lopez
Well, I finally sat down to watch some movies with my 318 and experienced lockup after lockup. :( When it would lockup the only thing thing that would work was tray open/close. It did this on multiple titles. I tried powering it off and unplugging it for a while and no luck (and even that factory reset posted earlier). The same titles play fine in my Pioneer player. The 318 was connected via component and running 720p, not that that should matter. I did notice from the start that it would take a long time to initially read a disc although all of the lockups occurred late in the movie probably after the layer change.

Oh well, at least since I bought it at BB (on-line), I can just return it tomorrow.

Sounds like heat buildup in the unit. I'd check to make sure the player is getting plenty of ventelation and try it again, after it has an extended cool down.

[aydu]

I have been following the concern expressed about Zenith possibly changing the firmware of the 318 to eliminate the upscaling capability of the player thru the component outputs.

I have a 318 and think this is a great feature of the player - one of the reasons I bought it, in fact.

In looking at the manual that came with my Zenith, it clearly states that the upscaling through component is available only for non copy protected DVDs.

We all know that this is not how the player works, but it might be how Zenith intended the unit to work from the beginning.

The current version of the 318 may have defective firnware that does not catch the copy protection flag on DVDs. If this is the case, revising the firmware to eliminate this "error" would make the product both in line with industry standards (no upscaled output in analog form) and make their product function as the documentation says it is supposed to.

If they do disable the player's component upscaling, as feared, it just might be that they are "fixing" an error.

Might be one of those rare situations where people who got the "defective" products, are the lucky ones.

[Q of BanditZ]

Originally posted by aydu
I have been following the concern expressed about Zenith possibly changing the firmware of the 318 to eliminate the upscaling capability of the player thru the component outputs.

I have a 318 and think this is a great feature of the player - one of the reasons I bought it, in fact.

In looking at the manual that came with my Zenith, it clearly states that the upscaling through component is available only for non copy protected DVDs.

We all know that this is not how the player works, but it might be how Zenith intended the unit to work from the beginning.

Sure it is! They put that disclaimer in there for PR and to cover their butts with the law. It's a broad wink to the customer base. Don't ask, don't tell. ;)



The current version of the 318 may have defective firnware that does not catch the copy protection flag on DVDs.

It's not defective. ;)


If this is the case, revising the firmware to eliminate this "error" would make the product both in line with industry standards (no upscaled output in analog form) and make their product function as the documentation says it is supposed to.

If they do disable the player's component upscaling, as feared, it just might be that they are "fixing" an error.

They won't be touching my unit, I can tell ya that.



Might be one of those rare situations where people who got the "defective" products, are the lucky ones.

:p

[Darrel McBane]

How's this for a conspiracy theory.

Now, if I were a company like Zenith/LG and I was getting heat from some cartel concerning breaking the covenant as to "not allowing a 1080i upconverted signal via a component connection". And I wanted to created a fix for know problems on a player like "White Crush" via DVI or lockup problem etc. And also disable a 1080i output via component. But, not slow down sale of my hot little DVD player. I think I'd place a tag in the software fix that would work with a players bios clock. (Of course I'm assuming the player has some sort of internal clock feature). And it may kick in a disabling feature for the component output, say in about 30 hours of player use time after a software "fix" update. That way people would install the fix and post positive results on forums and from sales people. And people would jump at getting all the issues of a player taken care of at one time. And in a few days or weeks. What do you know. Players all over the place would be disabled using the component cable to upconvert.

I just hope that there are some hacker to come to the rescue of use poor smucks! :)

[Q of BanditZ]

Right. Until then, I don't care what they promise. I will be installing no firmware of any kind.

[aydu]

I just don't think Zenith is doing much "wink wink" stuff for the benefits of peddling a few units to consumers.

I'd bet on corporate incompetence anyday over a planned consiracy to circumvent anti piracy agreements. The $ earned on 318 sales would be eaten up quickly with one lawsuit.

I'd guess that the firmware that was used for the Canadian version of the player, under the LG name, was inadvertently used in the American Zenith version. A few production runs later, Zenith got wise to their error and will likely fix this in future runs of the player.

The fact that this player was never made available at retail locations, despite being a hot seller, tells me that Zenith worked out an agreement with the DVD licensing cops to sell their existing warehouse supply of non comlliant players through secondary channels and fix the firmware before marketing them through the main B&M channels.

I acknowledge that this is just a guess. Some here post personal theory as fact, which I don't want to do.

In any event, those who currently have 318s, or get orders from the current production batches will be in possession of a very special DVD player.

No telling for certain how future production runs of this product will vary from today's 318. Only time will tell for sure.

[Mark Lopez]

Originally posted by aydu
Sounds like heat buildup in the unit. I'd check to make sure the player is getting plenty of ventelation and try it again, after it has an extended cool down.

Nope. The player is on it's own shelf and was cool to the touch. Plus I let it sit unplugged for about 15 minutes and it did it again shortly after I started watching again.

In any case it was returned to BB this morning and I should have a replacement by Tuesday (damn holidays :) ).

[aydu]

Originally posted by Mark Lopez
Nope. The player is on it's own shelf and was cool to the touch. Plus I let it sit unplugged for about 15 minutes and it did it again shortly after I started watching again.

In any case it was returned to BB this morning and I should have a replacement by Tuesday (damn holidays :) ).

Good luck with the replacement player. I've had mine for a couple of weeks and it amazes me everytime I use it. Great PQ on everything I've watched, no problem discs or operating irregularities.

And please don't give anyone any ideas about discontinuing holidays!!!

I'm off on Monday and will likely watch a DVD or two!

[zoro]

Originally posted by Mark Lopez
Nope. The player is on it's own shelf and was cool to the touch. Plus I let it sit unplugged for about 15 minutes and it did it again shortly after I started watching again.

In any case it was returned to BB this morning and I should have a replacement by Tuesday (damn holidays :) ).

i excatly had same prob, so with no responce to remote s u cant play any thing as controls r not laid down on player it self..terrible

[samone]

Well, this product has been out awhile and it's no secret to anyone that follows this forum this is a popular machine. Anyhow, I recent hooked the 318 to my GWIII via the dvi input. Wow!

[Steve S]

"Also, no one responded to my latter question about white levels.

Oh well...

jc3"


I have no idea how Secrets tested for white levels and came up with that 102 or 103 instead of 100. All it means is that the whitest white is 2 or 3% brighter than it should be--big whoop!

[Itzbinnice]

Help me out here please.
Can someone explain to me why it's not permitted for a DVD player to give you better resolution. Does DVI and Component at 1080 bypass the copyright protection on DVD's?

I bought this unit last month from G's and hooked it up to my Sony 50" Grand Vega LCD. I think the unit is great and I like it's simplicity. No issues whatsoever and am thrilled with my purchase.
I initially hooked it up through the DVI, then tried component, didn't see any difference so I left it on component.

Now back to my question, If I buy a DVD or rent one, then play it at 1080, why should the motion picture industry dictate I can't watch it in a higher resolution, I'm not stealing anything so what's all the commotion about. Obviously I’m missing something here, but I’ll be dammed if I know what it is.

[Gummi]

Someone help me out here. What are some really good (inexpensive) component cables to hook this awesome DVD player up with? The problem is, I don't know what to look for in a cable, are they all the same, or is there something special to look for? What are some good brands and types?

[Darrel McBane]

Gummi,

Check out NXG component cables on E-Bay or google search. For the money they are a real bargain.

[steph280]

The component cable that came with the 318 are thicker than the ones normally included in consumer products, and it actually works well. I did get some Acoustic Research component cable to replace it, they cost no more than the price of a DVD on Ebay.

If you have DVI input on your display then use the included DVI cable.

[weetoots]

Darrel,
Try these guys (http://www.pacificcable.com) .
Go to "componenet cables" and scroll down to "python".
Works for me.

[Darrel McBane]

weetoots,
I ran across their site a few months ago. They are located very close to where I live. I see they sell Avia and VE at a great price. Anyone who doesn't own either should take a look at the site as well.

[Gowry]

I just got one of these. Mine has a March 2004 build
date. I'm using it with a 60" GWIII.

I connected it up via component cables, set it up for
1080i, put in X-Men 2, and was instantly horrified.

There was tons of dithering and black splotches...
My set has been ISF calibrated and was setup to use
a Pioneer 563A before. I instantly figured that the
problem was the brightness on my set, since I've
read many posts saying this player's output is too high,
but I'd never heard of it looking so horrible to begin
with.

--EDIT--
I didn't make it clear here, but after turning
the brightness down the splotches are completely
gone. I love the picture from this unit. Anime looks
much better than on my 563a. I just wish they'd
fix a couple of things to make it perfect :)
--END EDIT--

I didn't want to change the brightness setting on
the component input because it would affect too many
other devices connected via component, so I moved
the player over to DVI. I ended up reducing brightness
by 9 presses. On many widescreen movies movies I still
notice a sorta greenish-black border that extends above
and below the picture. :( It's very slight since I turned
the brightness down--it was very prominent before, but
it's still there.

I ran Avia. White crush smushes together the top end
of all grey ramps, but black crush seems non existant.
The geometry settings were all perfect and the resolution
charts were stunning as well--no moire. I'd previously
optimized DVI using an HTPC and made service menu
changes using some 2-pixel test patterns. It looked
extremely good when looking at the 5th Element where
Li-Lu jumps off of the building.

I had several problems with lock-ups. X2 locked up when
I re-inserted the disc once, and Avia locked up everytime
I put the disc in until I turned off auto start.

The player came with DRC and voice turned on by default.
I thought this was very strange and immediately turned
them both off.

In summary, I love the player but have 2 big problems
(possibly 3) with it:
1. White crush on DVI
2. It's too bright for a calibrated set.
3. Green undersaturation...I've read about his but don't know how to
verify it. Flesh tones looked very good to me.

Any comments on green undersaturation or the extended borders
along the top and bottom?

Gowry

[aydu]

I'm using the 318 with an uncalibrated (set by eye) 42" GWIII and the PQ through DVI or component is stunning.

I'm using the default "STANDARD" mode for most of my DVD viewing and flesh tones are dead on.

I have not messed with the service menu on my set.

[jcg]

This may have been asked before but too many pages to look through. I'm considering this player and have followed some posts on and off and have a couple questions.

1. Are any B&M stores selling it yet or is online the only option?

2. Is there going to be any new firmware to fix some of the problems (like white crush on DVI)?

Thanks.

John

[mallu2u]

Some BBs carry this player now, but at a much higher price. BB online definitely carries it. Zenith supposed has not been sending new ones out right now and they are bringing out a new version of the player. That might contain the new firmware.

[AFH]

Originally posted by Gowry
I just got one of these. Mine has a March 2004 build
date. I'm using it with a 60" GWIII.

I connected it up via component cables, set it up for
1080i, put in X-Men 2, and was instantly horrified.

There was tons of dithering and black splotches...
My set has been ISF calibrated and was setup to use
a Pioneer 563A before. I instantly figured that the
problem was the brightness on my set, since I've
read many posts saying this player's output is too high,
but I'd never heard of it looking so horrible to begin
with.

I didn't want to change the brightness setting on
the component input because it would affect too many
other devices connected via component, so I moved
the player over to DVI. I ended up reducing brightness
by 9 presses. On many widescreen movies movies I still
notice a sorta greenish-black border that extends above
and below the picture. :( It's very slight since I turned
the brightness down--it was very prominent before, but
it's still there.

I ran Avia. White crush smushes together the top end
of all grey ramps, but black crush seems non existant.
The geometry settings were all perfect and the resolution
charts were stunning as well--no moire. I'd previously
optimized DVI using an HTPC and made service menu
changes using some 2-pixel test patterns. It looked
extremely good when looking at the 5th Element where
Li-Lu jumps off of the building.

I had several problems with lock-ups. X2 locked up when
I re-inserted the disc once, and Avia locked up everytime
I put the disc in until I turned off auto start.

The player came with DRC and voice turned on by default.
I thought this was very strange and immediately turned
them both off.

In summary, I love the player but have 2 big problems
(possibly 3) with it:
1. White crush on DVI
2. It's too bright for a calibrated set.
3. Green undersaturation...I've read about his but don't know how to
verify it. Flesh tones looked very good to me.

Any comments on green undersaturation or the extended borders
along the top and bottom?

Gowry

I agree with you in one respect. The player is a bit bright and that caused me to turn down my brightness, but I haven't seen any dithering and blacks are purely black without the sploches on my Panasonic 47in CRT. It has been calibrated to perfection. Watch Dark City, the opening scene of Lost in Space, and certain scenes in Bring it on and if there is a issue you will differently see it with these movies. I have a link at the bottom of my sig (the Guy Kuo post - Creator of Avia and Avia pro) that explains what you should see in terms of black reproduction using discs that are have very good black level scenes. As you know not all dvds have the same characteristics, so one my have good blacks while the other has so-so blacks. I did watch part of X-2 on Friday night and it looked fabulous. As far as green undersaturation, I didn't notice it on the SMPTE color patter using VE. When I watched part of all three of the Matrix films, that green tint that we have come to know and love is still there and as strong as it was on my last dvd player.

[zoro]

if someone just wana feel of it and play around, BB online, best option, for returns etc!

[Gummi]

What are the DRC and voice settings?

[Steve S]

The DRC is dynamic range compression, reduces highs and lows to make dialogue more intelligible at low volume settings. This only affects the left and right analog audio output jacks, NOT the digital audio output.

Voice setting also works only on analog audio outs and is supposed to also make voices more intelligible.

Niether is of any concern if you're using the digital audio output to a receiver or processor.

[kwikrx7]

I got my dvb318 about a month ago and finally got everything hooked up to test tonight. I have it hooked up to a Sony KDP51WS550 over Bettercables Reference SS component cables. First movie was "You Got Served"...I know kinda lame but it's a new movie. Picture didn't blow me away - it was marginally better than my old Toshiba progressive scan - colors were brighter but the movie seemed somewhat grainy all-around. Switched to DVI and it looked worse. Went back to components and put in Jurassic Park...W O W!!! I've never seen a picture like this before. This is as close to HD as you'll get. I see now that it depends on the movie. Excellent sound out of digital coaxial. I'm noticing certain objects have a 3D look to them (not everything) but very impressive and I'll be satisfied with this player for many years to come - definitely worth $160 shipped from Gs. I'm sure the component cables helped but either way this is an awesome player for the money.

[Gray Davis]

Originally posted by kwikrx7
I'm sure the component cables helped but either way this is an awesome player for the money.

Don't want to hijack this thread but you should get someone to swap those babies out (or pretend to) and see if you can tell the difference ...


My Zenith should be arriving today. UPS let it sit in their warehouse in my city gathering dust for a full day on Friday, but they're supposed to drop it off today. I can't wait. I'm really hoping I see a visual improvement, but at the same time I'm half way expecting not to notice ANY difference...Wish me luck!

[slobizman]

Can anyone help me make this decision?

I am getting a new Samsung 50: 5063W DLP TV and have been told to buy either the Samsung HD841 or the HD931 (or wait for the 941, but I don't want to wait).

Then, I heard about the DBV318....

Which is the best choice for the 5063W DLP? I plan on connecting via DVI and I hear upconverting to the native 720p on that TV gives the best picture. I want ease of operation, reliability and the best picture.

(Is having both the TV and DVD player made by Samsung an advantage in any way?)

[Don Atwell]

Hi guys, Just got mine. Can anyone tell me if I just need a cable, (RCA to VGA), or do I need a transcoder to get to VGA? I use an Extron switch to feed my front PJ, (VGA to 5 BNCs), to make my life a little easier.
Thanks, Don

[zoro]

Originally posted by slobizman
Can anyone help me make this decision?

I am getting a new Samsung 50: 5063W DLP TV and have been told to buy either the Samsung HD841 or the HD931 (or wait for the 941, but I don't want to wait).

Then, I heard about the DBV318....

Which is the best choice for the 5063W DLP? I plan on connecting via DVI and I hear upconverting to the native 720p on that TV gives the best picture. I want ease of operation, reliability and the best picture.

(Is having both the TV and DVD player made by Samsung an advantage in any way?)

If u ASK ME?

I would hang on till END OF YEAR! get SAMSUNG with DIRECT HDMI and POSSIBLE 1080P, SONY's NEW PRODUCTS should have HDMI too!!

[slobizman]

Originally posted by zoro
If u ASK ME?

I would hang on till END OF YEAR! get SAMSUNG with DIRECT HDMI and POSSIBLE 1080P, SONY's NEW PRODUCTS should have HDMI too!!

That would be a looong time to go without a good DVD picture on my DLP!

[Gray Davis]

Originally posted by slobizman


(Is having both the TV and DVD player made by Samsung an advantage in any way?)


No. Though this seems to be a common assumption. I once answered a newspaper ad for a big ol' 25-inch Sony console TV (it would have looked great marooned in a sea of shag carpeting). I just wanted to buy the TV, but the guy selling it insisted I had to buy the Sony VCR he was selling too. Why? "Because they're both made by Sony," he insisted. "They're a pair. They go together." I wasn't swayed by his logic.

The same brand of display and player MAY go together, but some other brand may go just as well with either one.

[Dah-Dee]

Assuming I can get one with 1080i over component, would the DVB318 qualify as an upgrade over my Panasonic RP-56 for use with a Panasonic 53WX42 HDTV?

Thanks for any input.

[slobizman]

Hey, I noticed on the specs for the Samsung DLP 5063W TV it says:

"1280 x 720 Digital Format Converter for All Inputs"

Doesn't that mean that it will convert any DVD player signal into 720? If so, why the need for a "HD compatible" DVD player?

[PJO1966]

Originally posted by Gray Davis
No. Though this seems to be a common assumption. I once answered a newspaper ad for a big ol' 25-inch Sony console TV (it would have looked great marooned in a sea of shag carpeting). I just wanted to buy the TV, but the guy selling it insisted I had to buy the Sony VCR he was selling too. Why? "Because they're both made by Sony," he insisted. "They're a pair. They go together." I wasn't swayed by his logic.

The same brand of display and player MAY go together, but some other brand may go just as well with either one.

There actually was something to that same brand theory. Back in the mid 80's, I had an RCA TV and my roommate had a JVC VCR. There would be a discolored banding at the top of the screen. A repairman said there was nothing wrong with either, but if the two were from the same brand it would help. It did make a difference.

[Q of BanditZ]

Always been one of my personal quirks. If I have a certain brand TV, I like my video components to be the same brand.

Audio? Same idea. I am weird that way, I guess...

[Gray Davis]

Originally posted by PJO1966
There actually was something to that same brand theory. Back in the mid 80's, I had an RCA TV and my roommate had a JVC VCR. There would be a discolored banding at the top of the screen. A repairman said there was nothing wrong with either, but if the two were from the same brand it would help. It did make a difference.



And you tested this ... how? You made one switch, and it worked, right? And this proves ... ?


Just think about it. It's basic logic. A JVC/RCA/Pansonic/Sony/whatever DVD player all follow the same essential formats. S-video out or component out on any of those players should work with S-video in or component in on any suitable display - NO MATTER WHAT BRAND...Do some players or displays have weird little quirks? Sure they do. Are they caused by being used with different brands than the players themselves? No. They may or may not show up with this or that display or player, but for most players/displays, s-video out is s-video out and component out is component out, etc etc. Though I'm sure the companies involved would like you to think otherwise.

[Dah-Dee]

Originally posted by Gray Davis
Just think about it. It's basic logic.


Yes, yes....but is DVB318+PT-53WX42 > RP-56+PT-53WX42 ???? :(

[PJO1966]

Originally posted by Gray Davis
And you tested this ... how? You made one switch, and it worked, right? And this proves ... ?

We tested it by getting a JVC VCR for his TV and an RCA VCR for mine. Both worked perfectly. Any other combination did not. It proves that in our case, it helped to have components from the same brand.

... and the suggestion came from a repair man who didn't charge us because there was nothing wrong with our TV or VCR. he had nothing to gain.

[Mark Lopez]

Originally posted by slobizman
Hey, I noticed on the specs for the Samsung DLP 5063W TV it says:

"1280 x 720 Digital Format Converter for All Inputs"

Doesn't that mean that it will convert any DVD player signal into 720? If so, why the need for a "HD compatible" DVD player?

Well, technically you don't need a progressive or an upconverting player with your DLP. However, many believe that doing the doubling and scaling within the player while it is still in digital format is best. Additionally, I (from my own tests) have had better results with an upconverting player than letting the TV do it (tested on an HLN & HLP series DLP).

[aydu]

Originally posted by Gray Davis
And you tested this ... how? You made one switch, and it worked, right? And this proves ... ?


Just think about it. It's basic logic. A JVC/RCA/Pansonic/Sony/whatever DVD player all follow the same essential formats. S-video out or component out on any of those players should work with S-video in or component in on any suitable display - NO MATTER WHAT BRAND...Do some players or displays have weird little quirks? Sure they do. Are they caused by being used with different brands than the players themselves? No. They may or may not show up with this or that display or player, but for most players/displays, s-video out is s-video out and component out is component out, etc etc. Though I'm sure the companies involved would like you to think otherwise.

I would say that not producing a watchable picture would qualify as a "little quirk".

[tsteves]

I got one for my Sony KP-51HW40. I have not tried it on my x1 yet, but love it for my Sony. I don't feel like the upconversion is all that impressive, the faroudja DCDi is what makes this a nice player for the price.

[Kid Red]

Well, I've had mine for a couple of weeks and the last few DVDs I've watched leaves me puzzled. They were 2:35:1 and on my 4:3 set, the picture was very thin, meaning black bars inside my black bars. My question is, is that the actual way the movie is intended to be viewed-the way the film was shot? If so, then anamorphic DVDs simple stretch that image to fill in more? The good thing is that the D18 has a zoom option, however, my Pioneer Elite 45a never displayed those DVDs like that. I;m not sure if that's a good thing or not.

Can someone clarify this for me?

[Gray Davis]

Originally posted by PJO1966
We tested it by getting a JVC VCR for his TV and an RCA VCR for mine. Both worked perfectly. Any other combination did not. It proves that in our case, it helped to have components from the same brand.

... and the suggestion came from a repair man who didn't charge us because there was nothing wrong with our TV or VCR. he had nothing to gain.

I should have been more specific: I meant, did you test EACH with multiple brands?
Here's how I see it: you have a JVC VCR and an RCA TV. You are getting picture distortion. There are several different potential causes. The repairman suggests the problem is that the two brands are incompatible with each other...You pair the JVC VCR with a JVC TV and the RCA VCR with an RCA TV and the problem goes away....So you conclude that the repairman was correct.
But it STILL could have been any number of things that caused the picture distortion.
Maybe the problem was just with that ONE JVC VCR period. Maybe the RCA TV actually works fine with other brand VCRs - there was just a problem with that VCR (or vice versa) and the brand name had nothing to do with it.
Do you see what I'm getting at? Unless you tested both with several different brands, and found a pattern where they BOTH would not work right UNLESS paired with the same brand, then you can't definitively say mis-matched brands were the problem.
Have you ever had a problem with your car and you thought it was, say, because it didn't have enough oil, so you put more oil in and the problem goes away? But then the problem comes back again? Meaning it just happened to go away when you put more oil in and there was no connection? I know this is a dumb example, but I think most of us have had some sort of experience that falls along those lines...
At the time, I'm sure you were just happy to have your TV/VCR problem fixed, period. And I don't blame you. And maybe it WAS because they were different brands. But I've had many different TVs and VCRs and never experienced nor heard of a brand-incompatibility problem with any of them. The S-video and RCA outputs on VCRs work the same way across the board, no matter what brand name is on the outside of the box. Again, perhaps in your particular instance, this really WAS the problem, but in general, it just doesn't make sense from a technical standpoint.
Don't take offense from my skeptical approach. I don't mean anything personal by it. And again, even though I don't understand how, maybe the repairman WAS right...I just think there might have been other, possible explanations.

[tsteves]

Kid Red
You are using this on a 4:3 set?

[dragonbud0]

I'm trying to use this link and download the region free hack:

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks.php?select=LG+LH-D6230

but the stuffit stand editon 8.5 trial did not work with my windows xp, so I tried the other LG 6000 series link. there is only 2 files when I unzip, kpjc19_1.dvd and the size is only 4k and the readme file. Is this the right one? I did not see anything about rmtm1000.

If I'm violating forum rule, please email me at lennyeng1@yahoo.com

Please advise.

lenny

[Cricricri]

Originally posted by dragonbud0
I'm trying to use this link and download the region free hack:

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks.php?select=LG+LH-D6230

but the stuffit stand editon 8.5 trial did not work with my windows xp, so I tried the other LG 6000 series link. there is only 2 files when I unzip, kpjc19_1.dvd and the size is only 4k and the readme file. Is this the right one? I did not see anything about rmtm1000.

If I'm violating forum rule, please email me at lennyeng1@yahoo.com

Please advise.

lenny

I do see the rmtm1000 after decompressing with Winzip and it contains a Scarlet folder that contains that same kpjc19_1.dvd I tried to use burnatonce but it just won't read any image file in this folder.............

How do you guys achieved with Burnatonce ??? I don't have Nero or any other burning tools that do ISO files.

HELPPPPPP

[sonick182]

Well, I've had mine for a couple of weeks and the last few DVDs I've watched leaves me puzzled. They were 2:35:1 and on my 4:3 set, the picture was very thin, meaning black bars inside my black bars. My question is, is that the actual way the movie is intended to be viewed-the way the film was shot? If so, then anamorphic DVDs simple stretch that image to fill in more? The good thing is that the D18 has a zoom option, however, my Pioneer Elite 45a never displayed those DVDs like that. I;m not sure if that's a good thing or not.
Yes, with 2.35:1 DVDs, there will be two sets of black bars. The outermost set is display generated (for 16:9). The inner two are from the DVD itself. THe reason you see two sets on the Zenith and not on your old DVD player is mainly because your set is not calibrated to the zenith yet. THe brightness is set too high. Because of this, the black bars coming from the source will be brighter than the other black bars.

Its easier to visualize by setting the DVD player (and/or TV, if your display does anamorphic squeeze) to 16:9 mode. You see that even in 16:9 mode there are black bars. Those black bars are from the DVD itself. those are the bars that are more visible when you are watching it normally. When you set the DVD player to 4:3 mode (or doing 16:9 vertical squeeze on your 4:3 display) you create another set of bars.

hope this made sense.

[BK EH]

Originally posted by Gray Davis
I should have been more specific: I meant, did you test EACH with multiple brands?
Here's how I see it: you have a JVC VCR and an RCA TV. You are getting picture distortion. There are several different potential causes. The repairman suggests the..........................with a JVC TV and the RCA VCR with an RCA TV and the problem goes away....So you conclude that the repairman was correct.
But it STILL could have been any number of things that caused the picture distortion.......................................................
Maybe the problem was just with that ONE JVC VCR period. Maybe the RCA TV actually works fine with other brand VCRs - there was just a problem with that VCR (or vice versa) and the brand name had nothing to do with it. ...................................................
Do you see what I'm getting at? Unless you tested both with several different brands, and found a pattern where they BOTH would not work ...................
......................experienced nor heard of a brand-incompatibility problem with any of them. The S-video and RCA outputs on VCRs work the same way across the board, no matter what brand name is on the outside of the box. ......................
mean anything personal by it. And again, even though I don't understand how, maybe the repairman WAS right...I just think there might have been other, possible explanations.
Uuuummmm... this is why you were defeated, Gray... an inability to stick to the issue at hand... this is not a VCR/RCA/s-vid/1990 thread. No quadraphonic via L-R either... :p

Dah-Dee: What Mark Lopez said is essentially spot on! Happy shopping.

[Cricricri]

Region-free hack problem

When I try to burn the RMTM0000 folder using Nero or Burnatonce, both ask me to OPEN the folder, which contains NO image, so I'm stuck in a loop.

What do I do wrong and what should I do instead ?

[whizzer929]

Well, I just got a new 318 and I have a BIG problem with it. At 1080i, there is a verticle greyish bar that scrolls across the screen from left to right about twice a second. It's faint, you can only see it with dark scenes, but you can see it and it's annoying as hell. This only happens with the rez set at 1080i. My monitor (Toshiba 51H93) upconverts all signals to 1080i, so I can't see any value with leaving the 318 output at 480p or 720p. Besides 1080i looks very crisp and detailed.

Anyone else have this problem? I haven't tried the DVI connection yet. I will do that next.

[mbaker12]

Whizzer,

Are you using the component video outputs? I have seen similar artifacts on other DVD players using a composite connection.

[whizzer929]

Yep, using component. I have good cables. Spent $140 on them. I haven't tried DVI yet. To me it looks likes a phase problem. Or maybe it's interference from the AC? I need to spend some time and try switching things around to see if I can make it go away.

Please help if you can. I'm really disappointed with this problem.

[mddillon]

Originally posted by whizzer929
At 1080i, there is a verticle greyish bar that scrolls across the screen from left to right about twice a second.

And I thought this component problem, at 1080i, was with my Zenitih C32V37, not my Zenith DVB318. Anyway, I switched to DVI and the problem disappeared. It would have been nice to have reserved my C32V37's DVI port for future use, but that's okay.

[pvanosta]

Cricricri:
These are the instructions for the regionfree hack. You need to follow them to the letter, using Nero.
1) Unzip the folders and files to the hard drive in exactly the same order.
2) Burn the folder "RMT000" (including sub files and/or folders) to a blank CDR
3) Make sure you set; 'close' disc and session
4) Make sure you burn the disc in ISO mode (not joliet)

Insert the disc in the player and follow the screen instructions

In other words: you just drag the RMT000 folder onto the CD and adjust your expert settings to not use Joliet.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by tsteves
Kid Red
You are using this on a 4:3 set?

Yes. I never saw this occurrence using my Pioneer Elite. So I don't know if the Pioneer was stretching everything to fit or what.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by sonick182
Yes, with 2.35:1 DVDs, there will be two sets of black bars. The outermost set is display generated (for 16:9). The inner two are from the DVD itself. THe reason you see two sets on the Zenith and not on your old DVD player is mainly because your set is not calibrated to the zenith yet. THe brightness is set too high. Because of this, the black bars coming from the source will be brighter than the other black bars.

Its easier to visualize by setting the DVD player (and/or TV, if your display does anamorphic squeeze) to 16:9 mode. You see that even in 16:9 mode there are black bars. Those black bars are from the DVD itself. those are the bars that are more visible when you are watching it normally. When you set the DVD player to 4:3 mode (or doing 16:9 vertical squeeze on your 4:3 display) you create another set of bars.

hope this made sense.

I have to disagree with you. On my Pioneer Elite, it must have stretched the image because the reason I notice it on the Zenith is not because I see the second set of black bar (I kinda do, but not by much-I have calibrated) it's because the picture is so tiny. I remember thinking, wow, this is a really tiny picture. Then I saw the same with a DVD i've watched on my Pioneer and new something was flaky. So, I noticed to zoom on the Zenith remote and used it to fill in the space.

Now, I will say, on my Pioneer, there were some DVDs that did have it's own set of black bars in my TVs black bars, however, the gap was small. However, using the Zenith, that gap between the DVDs black bars and the TVs is much bigger making the picture very short height wise. DVD is set to TV as 16:9, same as it was with the Pioneer.

[whizzer929]

Originally posted by mddillon
And I thought this component problem, at 1080i, was with my Zenitih C32V37, not my Zenith DVB318. Anyway, I switched to DVI and the problem disappeared. It would have been nice to have reserved my C32V37's DVI port for future use, but that's okay.

I tried it through the DVI and it's still there. But not as bad. I can't believe my bad luck. This sucks.

Anyone want to buy a slighlty used 318?

[rlam01]

Anyone else having this issue? I was going to place an order today for a 318 but an issue like this is making me think twice about buying.

[dragonbud0]

pvanosta,

I got the zip file from the videohelp site. when I unzip, got only kpjc19_1.dvd (the size is only 4k) and the readme file, not the RTMT0000 file. What did I do wrong? I've a copy of Nero for burning.

thanks.

lenny

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by Cricricri
Region-free hack problem

When I try to burn the RMTM0000 folder using Nero or Burnatonce, both ask me to OPEN the folder, which contains NO image, so I'm stuck in a loop.

What do I do wrong and what should I do instead ? You don't need to burn it as an image, just burn it as data. But you need to copy the whole RMTM0000 folder (RMTM0000->SCARLET and kpjc19_1.dvd file)

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by dragonbud0
pvanosta,

I got the zip file from the videohelp site. when I unzip, got only kpjc19_1.dvd (the size is only 4k) and the readme file, not the RTMT0000 file. What did I do wrong? I've a copy of Nero for burning.

thanks.

lenny The file kpjc19_1.dvd should be 4 bytes long. You can manually create a folder in your harddisk called RMTM0000, then under RMTM0000 create another folder (subfolder) called SCARLET, then put kpjc19_1.dvd into SCARLET subfolder. Copy the whole RMTM0000 folder and burn it as data.

EDIT: If you have a hex editor, you can create kpjc19_1.dvd yourself. Just write 4 bytes (0x17, 0x17, 0x8C and 0x00) into a file and name the file as kpjc19_1.dvd

[bub]

Howdy Kid Red,
Could this be a setting issue? I've wondered about this sort of thing myself and is one of the reasons I've purchased the 318.

I have a JVC DVD player and in the video settings, it has 3 choices; 16:9, 16:9 Auto and 4:3 (maybe a couple of options for 4:3 but not important here). I have a Mits 55 HDTV, which is widescreen. When I try to select 16:9 in the DVD Video Options, I will get a letterboxed widescreen picture INSIDE of a 4:3 display on my TV. So, I have black bars on top for the widescreen aspect ratio and black bars on the sides for the 4:3 display (which isn't right).

I am forced to select 16:9 Auto in the DVD Video Options to remove the 4:3 display area on the TV. My concern is that the DVD player is manipulating the image at this setting for some DVD's (depending on the aspect ratio I believe). When the DVD is set to 16:9 Auto, all my 4:3 DVD's (namely one, Season 1 of Survivor) display filling my TV's 16:9 screen. When I set my DVD Video Options to 16:9, the Survivor 4:3 DVD displays in a 4:3 manner, as it should.

Perhaps you are seeing some form of this problem in your situation? A DVD setting that isn't behaving properly, maybe something to do with that particular DVD player and your particular TV. I'm not sure.

When I get the 318 (tomorrow hopefully), I will do some comparisons to see if the JVC has been manipulating the image of my DVD's incorrectly when set to 16:9 Auto (which is the only setting I can use because the 16:9 setting incorrectly forces the widescreen image to be displayed in a 4:3 'window' on my TV), which I believe it has been doing.

I will report back with my findings.

George Fitting -bub

[rlam01]

What are these files for? Can it be undone or uninstalled at a later time?

[pvanosta]

cricricri:
CY is right.
Put the kpjc19_1.dvd file in a folder called SCARLET and then put SCARLET in a folder called RMTM0000.
Burn the folder using drag and drop in Nero and play the CD in the Zenith.

When you see the onscreen prompt, change the setting to 0 and you're done. Your player is now region-free.

[Kingston]

CY or pvanosta,
would any of you be willing to send me a copy of the disk...
I would return it or if you like I would pay for it..
Many thanks

Kingston

[pvanosta]

Kingston,
You have PM.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by bub
Howdy Kid Red,
Could this be a setting issue? I've wondered about this sort of thing myself and is one of the reasons I've purchased the 318.

I have a JVC DVD player and in the video settings, it has 3 choices; 16:9, 16:9 Auto and 4:3 (maybe a couple of options for 4:3 but not important here). I have a Mits 55 HDTV, which is widescreen. When I try to select 16:9 in the DVD Video Options, I will get a letterboxed widescreen picture INSIDE of a 4:3 display on my TV. So, I have black bars on top for the widescreen aspect ratio and black bars on the sides for the 4:3 display (which isn't right).

I am forced to select 16:9 Auto in the DVD Video Options to remove the 4:3 display area on the TV. My concern is that the DVD player is manipulating the image at this setting for some DVD's (depending on the aspect ratio I believe). When the DVD is set to 16:9 Auto, all my 4:3 DVD's (namely one, Season 1 of Survivor) display filling my TV's 16:9 screen. When I set my DVD Video Options to 16:9, the Survivor 4:3 DVD displays in a 4:3 manner, as it should.

Perhaps you are seeing some form of this problem in your situation? A DVD setting that isn't behaving properly, maybe something to do with that particular DVD player and your particular TV. I'm not sure.

When I get the 318 (tomorrow hopefully), I will do some comparisons to see if the JVC has been manipulating the image of my DVD's incorrectly when set to 16:9 Auto (which is the only setting I can use because the 16:9 setting incorrectly forces the widescreen image to be displayed in a 4:3 'window' on my TV), which I believe it has been doing.

I will report back with my findings.

George Fitting -bub

I just went and check and my player was set to 4:3. Which my set is a 4:3. However, I usually set it to 16:9 but after watching Final Impact (the first movie to be really small with black bars inside black bars) I switched to 4:3 mode to see if a difference was made. That made no difference for that movie and I had to settle using the zoom. However, the second movie 13th Warrior, displayed the same black bar inside black bar really small. I just changed the DVD back to 16:9 and 13th Warrior is bigger, not the full 16:9, but not reall small either. I guess it's the right size. So I guess, Final Impact is a flaky DVD, and feel better now. I will keep my eyes open. I was mostly curious if the really small picture was the way the film was intended to be viewed and if my Pioneer was stretching DVDs this whole time.

I still like the Zenith, and I'll re-give my assessment as it's quite a few pages back.

-It produces no more detail then my Pioneer Elite.
-It's colors are more saturated and brilliant compared to my Pioneer.
-White detail and shadow detail are more prevalent then compared to my Pioneer. Almost makes me think the Pioneer has a little bit of white crush.
-Is a little slow sometimes, but layer change is faster.

Overall, mostly color brilliance, shadow and hilite detail is revealed more so then my Pioneer elite, however, it's not any crisper. So it's a tad better, but I still use my Pioneer for DVD-A and SACDs.

[rlam01]

What is white crush?

[daFlave]

Originally posted by whizzer929
Well, I just got a new 318 and I have a BIG problem with it. At 1080i, there is a verticle greyish bar that scrolls across the screen from left to right about twice a second. It's faint, you can only see it with dark scenes, but you can see it and it's annoying as hell. This only happens with the rez set at 1080i. My monitor (Toshiba 51H93) upconverts all signals to 1080i, so I can't see any value with leaving the 318 output at 480p or 720p. Besides 1080i looks very crisp and detailed.

Anyone else have this problem? I haven't tried the DVI connection yet. I will do that next.

I have thesame problem wit my JVC AV48WP74 RP but only with 1080I component, but oh mama....what a PQ!!!

[DPowers]

Has anyone experienced any overheating problems? I have had my 318 for a little over a month now and it worked perfect. I was watching Butterfly Effect tonight and late in the movie it started skipping and locking up. It is a two sided disk (directer's cut/theatrical cut), so I flipped it over. It started skipping in a different spot. I put in Spiderman and what little bit I saw worked fine. Could it be possible that a two sided disk could have bad sections on both sides? Seems strange and it never happened before. Maybe just a bum disk.

[aboom]

Originally posted by rlam01
Anyone else having this issue? I was going to place an order today for a 318 but an issue like this is making me think twice about buying.

I haven't heard any others with this issue. I think it may be individual.

[dragonbud0]

pvanosta and C.Y.

Worked like a charm. Thank you for the detailed instructions.

Lenny

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by rlam01
What is white crush?

I'm not sure if I'm right, but in my case, it's detail surrounding a white area is lost. There's no middle ground between pure white and detail next to it. My Pioneer seemed to lose detail near pure white, while the Zenith showed it. There's a sky scene in AOTC that has near white (from sun maybe) and the clouds and sky colors blend away from it. Th Zenith showed the detail and I noticed that the Pioneer did not. So it's like the white area crushed detail next to it.

[Cricricri]

Originally posted by C.Y.
You don't need to burn it as an image, just burn it as data. But you need to copy the whole RMTM0000 folder (RMTM0000->SCARLET and kpjc19_1.dvd file)

Thank you, it worked ! You just put the finger on my problem. It's why Burnatonce won't work for this because it only search for an ISO image to copy.

For others in trouble, I used this free to try Sateira software to burn not as an image.

http://www.download.com/Sateira-CD-DVD-Burner/3000-2646-10300312.html?tag=lst-0-8

Good luck and thanks to pvanosta also ! Now I'll be able to watch Delicatessen !

[Mark Lopez]

Originally posted by DPowers
Has anyone experienced any overheating problems? I have had my 318 for a little over a month now and it worked perfect. I was watching Butterfly Effect tonight and late in the movie it started skipping and locking up.

My first 318 was constantly locking up. It seemed to only happen after the layer change. I got my replacement yesterday and this one appears to work ok (so far). I'm pretty sure it wasn't an overheat problem with mine as I let it sit unplugged for over 15 minutes and as soon as it resumed playing (where it had left off) it started locking up again. The original one also took a long time to initially read a disc and bring up the menu (nearly a minute). The replacement takes about 15 seconds.

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by rlam01
What are these files for? Can it be undone or uninstalled at a later time? This is used to set region code. The default region code is 1 and you can change it to any region code you want with this CD. This file seems like a password file to get to the region code setting screen. There is no need to uninstall it since it does not install anything to the DVD player.

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by Kingston
CY or pvanosta,
would any of you be willing to send me a copy of the disk...
I would return it or if you like I would pay for it..
Many thanks

Kingston Just follow the instruction. If you have a CD burner (everyone should have one now), it is very easy to make this CD yourself.

[Reeltrooper]

Hi all,
Just got my 318 from "G's" and wanted to pass along the following:

Build date: March 2004

Inside the box is a "SPECIAL NOTICE" stating (in part) : "Failure to be equipped with such receptacle (DVI), this LG product was also designed to deliver the equivalent higher grade picture quality (720p or 1080i) through the wideband component video inputs (YPrPb) of your television set, which all HDTV monitors and HDTV compatible televisions sets have."

As I'm still waiting for my new PJ to arrive, I can't confirm the component upconversion yet but thought some might be interested to know these bits of info.

Ben

[sonick182]

I'm not sure if I'm right, but in my case, it's detail surrounding a white area is lost
Not really... there are many shades of white, going from slightly grey to PURE white... in calibration tests, the white crush tests has different shades of white going up by intervals of 10 (i dont know the units being measured), 100 being pure white. Anyways, with white crush, where normall you'd see a '90' white a distinctly slightly darker shade than a 100 white, with the Zenith via DVI, there is no discernable difference between a '90' white and '100' white. Thus, a slight loss in white detail, called White Crush.

[Darrel McBane]

DPowers, I also watched The Butterfly Effect last night using the Zenith and it played fine. My copy was a rental and looked like someone had used it before me. It had finger prints and a few marks on both sides.

[CaspianM]

Originally posted by sonick182
Not really... there are many shades of white, going from slightly grey to PURE white... in calibration tests, the white crush tests has different shades of white going up by intervals of 10 (i dont know the units being measured), 100 being pure white. Anyways, with white crush, where normall you'd see a '90' white a distinctly slightly darker shade than a 100 white, with the Zenith via DVI, there is no discernable difference between a '90' white and '100' white. Thus, a slight loss in white detail, called White Crush.

Actually as the test by the Secrets indicated that 100 IRE pattern was actually putting out about 104 IRE instead.
The crush is refereed to the top end of the signal as being clipped which is where the detail loss come from.

[steph280]

I was also watching butterfly effect (EXCELLENT MOVIE by the way) last night. My DVD looks to be single sided from Netflix, and it lets me choose director cut or theoretical release. While watching the director cut, I noticed audio/video synch problem around halfway through the movie. I tried pausing, stopping, etc and it didn't help. But eventually it cleared itself up near the end.

Also noticed image retention from bright to dark screen and visible steps of blacks (instead of smooth gradients, dont know what thats called) in dark scenes. It could be my Panny 6U since I am still waiting for DVE to do calibration.

[DPowers]

It got locked up so bad that I couldn't use any functions (<<,>>,pause, Stop) or power down the unit. I had to unplug it and plug it back in to remove the disk. If you want to really confuse the 318. Take a two sided disk that has two different versions of a movie on it. Play one side for a couple minutes, eject it, flip it over and when it tries to find where you left off it will lock up. It thinks it's the same movie but it can't find where it left off.

I think I got a bad disk. There were no visible markings on either side so I thought the 318 might have overheated. Maybe it was warped. The 318 has never done this with any other disk.

Strange

[wblynch]

Originally posted by steph280
I and it lets me choose director cut or theoretical release.

theoretical release? :)

[wmallory]

Originally posted by wblynch
theoretical release? :)
Must have been a Duke Nuk'em movie.

[steph280]

What you didn't know? Theoretical release is the one which in theory should do well in box office. :)

Yeah it's been a busy morning... I meant theatrical but finger didn't follow. Or maybe I was having one of those blackout eposides like the character in the movie.

[walkman666]

Originally posted by weetoots
Darrel,
Try these guys (http://www.pacificcable.com) .
Go to "componenet cables" and scroll down to "python".
Works for me.

I know all things break, but I got these relatively inexpensive component cables from Pacific Cables, and one of the connections broke off the very first time I used them. I ordered and used a set of much sturdier (and more expensive, but not killer, about $35) component cables from RAM Electronics, and have had no problems.

- walkman

[BodegaBay]

I received my unit from Best Buy (.com) yesterday and reviewed it last night for ~ 1hr. For sources, I used a 50in Pioneer 503CMX plasma monitor coupled with my trusty Panasonic RP91 (480i/480p DVD player). I have not yet upgraded the Pio's card lot to a DVI/HDCP card (and I will not until this HDCP issue is forced) so my preferred method is HD through component connections. Of note, the initital impressions below were straight from the box with no DVE or Avia calibrations. While I feel some performance can be gained by calibration, I don't think it will sway me that much from my iniitial notations.

From the limited time I spent with it, my initial impression of the player is that it is a very good unit for it's price point (especially @ $160 shipped with certain e-tailers such as Gochnauers). That said, I do not feel the Zenith to be the "end all" for 720p/1080i upconvert DVD players.

What was I expecting? While certainly upconvert HD movies from HBO and HDNet were my reference points, I honestly did not think I woud get that type of resolution. As many members alluded in previous posts, the upconverted picture looked somewhere to be between a good 480p progressive DVD player and 1080i HBO/HDNet upconvert movie.

In comparing it to my previous reference DVD player -the Panasonic RP91- the Zenith performed exceptionally well. Even with all the new crop of DVD players (under $1K that is), I still prefer the RP91 -- for it's MPEG decoder/picture quality. However, I finally had to see what one of these 1080i players could do.

The Zenith displayed a "better" picture vs. the RP91, albeith not so big a margin as people would think. On the best mastered DVDs I can see it come close to HD movies on HBO or HDNet but not quite there; I only sampled Super Speedway, Men in Black II, James Taylor-Live at the Beacon Theater, and Monsters Inc. last night. One perception I had was that the picture sometimes looked soft -- which was odd and somewhat distrubing. Additionally, the colors seemed just a tad muted vs. the RP91. This can be corrected with DVE/Avia calibrated video signals.

On the plus side and as expected, interlacing performance was excellent. Much better versus the RP91! And believe it or not, my perception of "better" digital sound came out of the Zenith; movies and DVD concerts seemed much more opened than the Panasonic. Yes I know digital is digital but my ears heard different.

I am sure I will have additional comments as spend more time with the Zenith. I was happy with my Panasonic but itched to try a HD component upconvert player and thought the Zenith was a good bet. I could still keep the Panasonic and be very happy, but for the small upgrade cost, I intend to keep the Zenith.

At this point, unless something comes along that WOWs me with video, I don't feel any further need to upgrade than this Zenith. I do however look forward when HD-DVD comes to the marketplace -- which will be take some time.

Hoped this help anyone with a similiar setup.

[aydu]

Several comments have been made about the perceived improved audio on the 318 from the digital outputs. Digital is supposed to be digital, but I noticed this also with mine.

I even used the same optical cable - just unhooked it from my old DVD player and plugged it into the 318. Voila, better sound.

[philiprst]

I noticed the exact same thing although it's hard for me to believe.

[BodegaBay]

Originally posted by aydu
Several comments have been made about the perceived improved audio on the 318 from the digital outputs. Digital is supposed to be digital, but I noticed this also with mine.

I even used the same optical cable - just unhooked it from my old DVD player and plugged it into the 318. Voila, better sound.

I did not read beyond page 30 and skipped around on this thread so I must've missed posts regarding the sound quality.

This just confirms that I WAS NOT IMAGINING AFTERALL!

That's good to hear - no pun intended. Like you, I moved my optical cable from my previous DVD player to the Zenith's and couldn't believe how much more opened the sound was -- even at low listening level! It is an unexpected benefit from the Zenith that makes $160 seem all the better.

[mystery]

I may have been the first one to mention this awesome sound from the LG/Zenith. This opened up a can of worms from the 'flat earth society members' which I playfully liked to call them. :) All I know is, there was an immediate and noticeable improvement in the sound quality when I first tried this player in my home and I'd never go back to my older Sony NS700P.

Wayne

[CFL]

Finally got my player from "G"
Plugged in and played fine for about five minute. Turned it off and turned it back on to play another dvd and all I get is line scrolling down from top to the bottom of the screen. I remember reading around 2000 something posts that somemember was having that problem. Any idea might be the cause!?

Thank in advance!!
Cheung

[PJO1966]

I just got mine as well. I did a quick calibration of the 50PHD6UY using "Sound & Vision Home Theater Tune-Up" and tried out a few DVDs. The first one was Lost In Space. I had heard that the opening scene was a good test. If so, it failed. right from the opening logo there was a lot of really bad pixelization and noise. I put in Attack of the Clones and was MUCH happier. The podrace was great. Even the dark scenes were amazing. Next was Spiderman to check flesh tones. Another big thumbs up. Next was Far From Heaven. I highly recommend this one for your testing pleasure. The colors are stunning. My hometown (Bloomfield, NJ) never looked so good as it does in this movie. I'm not biased... it looks amazing. The last test was Finding Nemo. Sadly Nemo failed. There was a lot of pixelization in shady areas, and even in not so shady areas.

I fully intend to get the plasma professionally calibrated. This definitely proves that all DVDs are not created equal. I know I can probably tweak a little more, perhaps with another calibration DVD. Overall, I have to say I am very pleased with the results. For $160 it's a bargain. I'm looking forward to watching a complete movie as opposed to selected scenes.

[CFL]

Finally got my player from "G"
Plugged in and played fine for about five minute. Turned it off and turned it back on to play another dvd and all I get is line scrolling down from top to the bottom of the screen. I remember reading around 2000 something posts that somemember was having that problem. Any idea might be the cause!?

Thank in advance!!
Cheung

[bub]

Ordered from 'G' on the 28th and arrived today.

First off, and in no particular order, this has got to be one of the worst engineered remotes ever offered with a 'high end' product. This remote sucks, no other way to put it. Fortunately, I have the MX500.

The picture, well not sure. Some DVD's look awesome and some don't look so good. I only checked out maybe half a dozen later releases, Star Wars, Monsters Inc., Big Fish, Talented Mr. Ripley, Good Will Hunting, Signs. The pod race in SW really was stunning as were the opening credits. Good Will Hunting, I'm not sure I saw any difference in the scenes I watched. Monsters Inc seemed ok, wasn't blown away. Signs seemed to have some artifacts I never noticed before in a few viewings. All in all, somewhat impressed but not awed as some have reported. I did calibrate my 55 inch Mits 55411 with Avia first off. The 318 is hooked up via components and all DVD's were viewed at 1080i.

Didn't notice any difference in sound hooked up via Digital Coax.

Load times and transitions were fine, very responsive via remote. Someone said in an earlier post that MX500 users could use the LG DVD code? Could someone point that post out to me, if you know.

Bottom line, happy but not ecstatic. I guess my expectations were very high considering some of the posts about this DVD player I've been reading lately. I'm glad I didn't pay retail because I would not be happy. $250 plus 9% tax here in Arkansas would be over $100 more than I spent.

Good luck all,
George -bub

Oh yea, I didn't notice any difference in aspects between the 318 and my JVC. The JVC wouldn't allow me to select 16:9 without putting the widescreen image into a 4:3 window on my TV. Weird.

[Gray Davis]

Several DVB318 owners have stated in no uncertain terms that it produces better sound than other DVD players they've heard.

As a new DVB318 owner myself, I have been unable to detect much of a difference between it and my last player while listening to 5.1 and DTS.

However, I DID make an interesting discovery while reading the manual from cover to cover as I stood in line in my bank today.

On the top right-hand side of page 14 there is a section titled "Dynamic Range Control (DRC)." This is the standard compression feature that many DVD players offer, which flattens the dynamic range of sound for those wanting to watch movies late at night without waking anyone else up - it is supposed to leave dialogue audible while toning down loud sound effects like gunshots, explosions, etc.

The section ends by stating "Set DRC to On for this effect." In the photo illustrating the menu option, DRC is listed as On. This got me thinking: They wouldn't ship these from the factory with this setting already ENABLED, would they?

So when I got home, I checked: Sure enough, DRC was set to "On."

It's hard to believe they would actually ship every player with compression enabled, and I don't know if they in fact did. But on MY player, that was the default setting.

So, is it possible that some of the people reporting an improvement in sound are listening with DRC enabled?
That would certainly make it sound "different," but I'm not sure it would be an improvement ... I'm curious to know if anyone else recieved a player that had DRC set to on. Maybe that ISN'T the default setting, which would put an end to my theory, but if it isn't, I'm also curious to know why mine came that way - it looked brand new to me and the box did not appear to have been opened previously, so I doubt it was a return.

[eaglengraver]

Originally posted by Gray Davis
Several DVB318 owners have stated in no uncertain terms that it produces better sound than other DVD players they've heard.

As a new DVB318 owner myself, I have been unable to detect much of a difference between it and my last player while listening to 5.1 and DTS.

However, I DID make an interesting discovery while reading the manual from cover to cover as I stood in line in my bank today.

On the top right-hand side of page 14 there is a section titled "Dynamic Range Control (DRC)." This is the standard compression feature that many DVD players offer, which flattens the dynamic range of sound for those wanting to watch movies late at night without waking anyone else up - it is supposed to leave dialogue audible while toning down loud sound effects like gunshots, explosions, etc.

The section ends by stating "Set DRC to On for this effect." In the photo illustrating the menu option, DRC is listed as On. This got me thinking: They wouldn't ship these from the factory with this setting already ENABLED, would they?

So when I got home, I checked: Sure enough, DRC was set to "On."

It's hard to believe they would actually ship every player with compression enabled, and I don't know if they in fact did. But on MY player, that was the default setting.

So, is it possible that some of the people reporting an improvement in sound are listening with DRC enabled? That would certainly make it sound different, but I'm not sure it would be an improvement ... I'm curious to know if anyone else recieved a player that had DRC set to on. Maybe that ISN'T the default setting, which would put an end to my theory, but if it isn't, I'm also curious to know why mine came that way - it looked brand new to me and the box did not appear to have been opened previously, so I doubt it was a return.

Got mine today from BB (wanted to be able to return if I did not like). DRC was set to ON. I quickly removed it.

I have a Panasonic PT-50LCX63 with native resolution of 720p. Should I set Zenith to 720p to match or use 1080i? I have tried to compare the two but it is late and my eyes are deceiving me.

[hottyson]

[COLOR=orange]Does the Zenith DVB318 produce a better picture than a Philips DVD963SA with an Infocus X1 projector?[/COLOR]
:)

[TonyS]

Orginally Posted by bub
This remote sucks, no other way to put it. Fortunately, I have the MX500... Someone said in an earlier post that MX500 users could use the LG DVD code? Could someone point that post out to me, if you know. I too would be very interested in knowing whether or not the LG codes work. I learned all the important buttons to my MX500 but have been stumped in getting the FF and REW to work since it is a jog dial on the Zenith remote and regular buttons on the MX500.

[Gray Davis]

Originally posted by eaglengraver
Got mine today from BB (wanted to be able to return if I did not like). DRC was set to ON. I quickly removed it.



So that's it then. I think I'll put this in its own thread since it might be missed here.

[controller2k]

Finally, I got to hook mine up.

Same problems. Locks up so hard that even unplugging it doesn't fix it. (It seems to be connected to a DVI problem - when I turn the projector back on the thing comes to life.)

But there are other problems. It sometimes doesn't handshake correctly with the projector. Sometimes, it can't read a disc.

This thing is a POS. I am probably going to return it and try another model.

-P

Originally posted by Mark Lopez
Well, I finally sat down to watch some movies with my 318 and experienced lockup after lockup. :( When it would lockup the only thing thing that would work was tray open/close. It did this on multiple titles. I tried powering it off and unplugging it for a while and no luck (and even that factory reset posted earlier). The same titles play fine in my Pioneer player. The 318 was connected via component and running 720p, not that that should matter. I did notice from the start that it would take a long time to initially read a disc although all of the lockups occurred late in the movie probably after the layer change.

Oh well, at least since I bought it at BB (on-line), I can just return it tomorrow.

[Gray Davis]

Those of you experiencing locks up might want to make sure you disable Auto Play (I think this may default to on as well.) When I put AVIA in my player immediately locked up. I disabled Auto Play and this problem hasn't happened since.

[philiprst]

First thing I did when setting up this player was to turn the DRC off. Yet I still notice a significant difference. Personally, I would be suprised if the bitstream coming out of the SPDIF was subject to equalization as I always imagined that it operated as a "pass thru". Anyone have any ideas if this is true or not?

[Reeltrooper]

Got mine yesterday and sure enough DRC was on.

Ben

[Ricfutures]

Mine should be waiting for me when I get home. I have a 42" GWIII and I jsut want to run a quick check list of things to do.

1. Disable DRC
2. Disable Auto Play
3. Calibrate using Avia
4. Roll up a phatty and enjoy

Please chime in if I missed anything please. I am upgrading from my Sony 725, which I have been happy with, and I hear that this Zenith blows the Sony away. Thanks...

[aydu]

Originally posted by Ricfutures
Mine should be waiting for me when I get home. I have a 42" GWIII and I jsut want to run a quick check list of things to do.

1. Disable DRC
2. Disable Auto Play
3. Calibrate using Avia
4. Roll up a phatty and enjoy

Please chime in if I missed anything please. I am upgrading from my Sony 725, which I have been happy with, and I hear that this Zenith blows the Sony away. Thanks...

Plug it in - both to the wall and the tv/audio system.

I have this exact equipment and have really been blown away by the PQ the 318 gives.

Just for fun, hook up the s-video feed to an input on the GWIII. That way you can use split screen to compare the upconverted and 480 or just flip between inputs to see the difference the upscaling provides.

I use DVI for my connection using the cable that comes with the 318. Works fine.

[Ricfutures]

Originally posted by aydu
Plug it in - both to the wall and the tv/audio system.

I have this exact equipment and have really been blown away by the PQ the 318 gives.

Just for fun, hook up the s-video feed to an input on the GWIII. That way you can use split screen to compare the upconverted and 480 or just flip between inputs to see the difference the upscaling provides.

I use DVI for my connection using the cable that comes with the 318. Works fine.

Great to hear, thanks for the input. I will be using it through component though because I have my Time Warner HD box going in through DVI. I understand that between DVI and component, there isn't too great of a difference.

[phenolite]

Got a 318 from G's and it's amazing

going from PS2 to this, for this price is just awesome.

very VERY satisfied woo!

ps: the remote is in fact pretty crappy :)

[mallu2u]

When does the new updated version of the player come out...with new firmware...

[doggiedog]

I got my 318 yesterday and finally had a chance to hook it up.

PQ under 1080i DVI seems nice but 1080i component didn't seem as clear for some reason. It was a bit washed out and I got alot of aliasing compared to 1080i DVI and 480p component.

Below is 1080i DVI on my Panasonic 50LC13

1080i on DVI (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=8572&size=big&sort=1&cat=508)

[doggiedog]

1080i on component on 50LC13 (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=8570&size=big&sort=1&cat=508)

[doggiedog]

480p on Panasonic XP30 on Panasonic 50LC13 (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=8569&size=big&sort=1&cat=508)

[doggiedog]

Not sure what to make of it.

I will need to tweak some more when the kids are asleep.

These pictures were taken on a Canon S60 with no flash, some ambient lighting at f8.0 1/5 sec shutter.

[Steve S]

I always thought Dynamic Range Compression was a function of Digital-to-analog conversion chips and the setting should have no effect if you're using a digital connection from the player to the reciever. I turned mine off first thing before ever playing a disc, even though I'm only using digital connection. Will try it with DRC turned on and see if there's any audible difference with only digital audio connection to my receiver.

[Gray Davis]

Originally posted by Steve S
I always thought Dynamic Range Compression was a function of Digital-to-analog conversion chips and the setting should have no effect if you're using a digital connection from the player to the reciever.

Steve, that seems to be the consensus, meaning I probably raised a false alarm. However, there is certainly no harm in disabling DRC just to be sure.

[timatraw]

I have the 318 hooked up to a panny plasma via component and seem to get that "green unsaturation" color. Anybody know how to fix this?
Thanks.
Tim

[HoustonGuy]

Yes the DRC was "ON" -318 from box as well.
BTW I have compared my XP-30 to the 318 extensively and the 318 beats it on some DVDs but definitely not all . I think this proves how good the xp-30 is at 480p- Incredible. It is Still the reference quality player for ALL display devices and many DVDs. BTW XP-30 is superior no doubt on reproduction of burned DVD-R's.

[Gray Davis]

I'll be posting my mini-review of this player soon - hopefully tomorrow. I have completely recalibrated my display several times trying to get the picture as good as it can be ... With my set up, at least, there is no way I could just plug this thing in and leave everything the way it had been. Recalibrating with AVIA was a definite must, much more so than with any other player I've used.

[odinala]

I've had my 318 for a couple of months, tried optical for the first time yesterday and get nothing. Checked all audio setting and everything is ok; digital coax works like a charm. Appears that the optical cable doesn't sit well in the 318 jack; opened 318 and applied pressure behind jack to make a decent connection, still nothing. Any ideas?

[aydu]

Originally posted by odinala
I've had my 318 for a couple of months, tried optical for the first time yesterday and get nothing. Checked all audio setting and everything is ok; digital coax works like a charm. Appears that the optical cable doesn't sit well in the 318 jack; opened 318 and applied pressure behind jack to make a decent connection, still nothing. Any ideas?

Checking to make sure the optical cable you are using is good on another player or trying another optical cable is all I can think of.

I unhooked my optical cable from my old Toshiba player and put it into the 318 and got sound immediately. Connection seemed solid at the DVD player.

If you are getting coax output your player settings appear correct to give a digital output.

[DevoX]

Originally posted by bodegabay
I received my unit from Best Buy (.com) yesterday and reviewed it last night for ~ 1hr. For sources, I used a 50in Pioneer 503CMX plasma monitor coupled with my trusty Panasonic RP91 (480i/480p DVD player).

Thanks for this info! I was considering giving the Zenith a try. I was one of the early adopters of the RP91 and it has served me well over the years. I don't think it's time to retire it yet based on your review. If I switch, I need a spectacular difference... and even then the RP91 wont be leaving my setup anytime soon. It's just too damn good of a player. :)

[Q of BanditZ]

The only way you will have "spectacular" will be HD-DVD in a few years, then, at that rate...

[stevemilleresq]

Any word on whether the most recently shipped models have hdcp/1080i restrictions on component output?

[wblynch]

HoustonGuy:
"I have compared my XP-30 to the 318 extensively and the 318 beats it on some DVDs but definitely not all . I think this proves how good the xp-30 is at 480p- Incredible. It is Still the reference quality player for ALL display devices and many DVDs. BTW XP-30 is superior no doubt on reproduction of burned DVD-R's"

DevoX:
"I was one of the early adopters of the RP91 and it has served me well over the years. I don't think it's time to retire it yet based on your review. If I switch, I need a spectacular difference... "

---------------------
We tried my 318 on a friend's Sony 50" GWIII rptv. Compared to his RP-91, the Zenith blew it away.

As I have said before, there are so many combinations of equipment and cables that no one can make a blanket judgement about these players.

Some work better on some setups than the others. Many variables guarantee only variable results.

Enough people have reported significantly spectacular results with these upscaling players to convince me. I'm one of them.

[PJO1966]

Originally posted by stevemilleresq
Any word on whether the most recently shipped models have hdcp/1080i restrictions on component output?

I just got mine on Thursday from G. and I've been viewing 1080i on component.

[phenolite]

Bit of confusion here - I assume that if my TV (57S500) can play dvd's over DVI using the 318, then My tv is HDCP compliant?

thanks!

if this is the case, then my cable box is lying to me - saying my tv is NOT hdcp compliant! :grr:

[mimason]

Originally posted by DevoX
Thanks for this info! I was considering giving the Zenith a try. I was one of the early adopters of the RP91 and it has served me well over the years. I don't think it's time to retire it yet based on your review. If I switch, I need a spectacular difference... and even then the RP91 wont be leaving my setup anytime soon. It's just too damn good of a player. :)


I sold my RP91(which I loved) as fast as I could. Unless you are using an external scaler/deinterlacing solution I don't know what you are waiting for. The RP91 deinterlacer SUCKS BAD in comparison. If you compare Titan A.E. you will throw the RP91 out the window.

IMO the only reason you should wait is if you have DVI capability and want to give the new Panny a try, otherwise, it's a no brainer.

Also, on my display the Zenith tops the XP30. Some discs I call it a draw and a couple goes to the XP30 but overall most of my collection is superior on the 318. Now, the XP30 is an awesome machine..... I made enough money selling them on Audiogon to buy a 6 channel amp.LOL

[hurtz777]

Well like many others I decided to try the Zenith DVB318 out even though I own the Panasonic RP82 which is a reference 480P DVD player. I have been extremely happy with the RP82 with all types of DVDs and transfers, but I wanted to try a good upconverting player with the Faroudja deinterlacer in it. I remember being the first person on the forum to open up and verify that the Panasonic CP72 had the same chipset as the RP82/XP30/XP50. I also found that the XP50 had a noticably softer PQ then the RP82/XP30 and the only explanation for it was probably a firmware change. That is why I decided to stay with the RP82 the whole time. I will give you my opinion on all the features of the Zenithas they looked played back on my good old Toshiba 57H81 RP HDTV via Component input.

1080i Picture Quality
Once I got the Zenith hooked up I definitely needed to calibrate my HDTV with AVIA. I had to lower the contrast 10% or so and that was about all I remember changing. I found the Zenith DVD logo to have razor sharp edges and it had a big 3D look to it. The colors also jumped out of the screen in 1080i on the DVD logo. I tried LOTR:FOTR dvd first and it was so clear that you could see film grain specs. The colors looked very natural and objects and people looked more 3D then my RP82. The PQ is definitely sharper then my RP82 and at this point I am starting to be impressed. I have noticed no over saturation of green in the darker areas either. I don't think LOTR dvds are the sharpest PQ DVDs but they are definitely very smooth and film like. Next dvd I tried was Finding Nemo. I did notice some slight pixelation in darker areas that the RP82 never displayed. I would call it neck and neck on most scenes with the RP82. There might have been some scenes that were slightly sharper on the Zenith, but they were nothing to write home about. Next I tried Ice Age dvd and I was blown away by the PQ on it. The Zenith had much shaprer edges then the RP82, and it was much more 3D looking then the RP82 on this dvd. I then tried Super Troops which I have found to be one of the sharpest PQ film dvds, and the Zenith had a much sharper and life-like PQ compared to the RP82 at 480P. I could see every pore in the guy's faces when they were first getting busted by the cops for weed on the side of the highway. Then I tried The Fifth Element Superbit dvd out and once again the Zenith had a sharper and more 3D PQ then the RP82. Finally I tried my home videos that I made with my Sony TRV22 MiniDv camcorder and encoded at a constant 8Mbs bitrate with Dolby Digital 2.0 sound. I found the PQ to be much more desirable at 480P obviously because the player locks you in at widescreen aspect only at 1080i thus stretching the 4:3 native video and causing artifacts etc. At 480P my home videos looked just as good as they did on the RP82 and I am very happy for that. Overall I feel the Zenith has about a 30% sharper and more HD like PQ then the RP82 on most high quality transfer dvd material. I wouldn't dare say it is HBO-HD quality but it is within 10% of the PQ on better dvd transfers such as Ice Age, Super Troopers, and The Fifth Element that I tried.

480P Picture Quality
The Zenith DVD logo screen had slight ghosting around the edges of objects, but nothing to frown about. I tried LOTR:FOTR dvd it looked slightly softer then the RP82 in 480P, but the colors looked good and the detail was still there. The difference was similar to what I found between the XP50 and being slightly softer then the RP82. I noticed no artifacts or color smearing in the picture at 480P like some users report on their displays. I also tried The Fifth Element Superbit, Ice Age, and Super Troopers(One of the sharpest PQ movies I have seen) and I found them all to display a slightly softer PQ compared to the RP82, but still above par 480P PQ.

Audio Quality
Just like everyone else I found the 5.1DD and DTS, 6.1 DTS sound to be very spacious and accurate through the optical and coaxial connection. The dvd sound is definitely richer and more spacious then my RP82 and the difference was very noticable on all content including my home videos. Even the sound from my MP3's encoded with LAME at 192kbps Stereo were even closer to CD sound then my RP82 played them.

Menu Navigation And Auto Play
I found the menu navigation to be adequate and fairly well laid out. Not too many options to burden the user with and a nice looking UI. I did find the remote to be a little less repsonsive then others, but if you press the buttons harder it seemed to respond better. I absolutely love the Auto play feature that skips all the BS messages at the beginning of dvds and goes straight to the movie feature. It has worked fine for me on all dvds and I highly recommend using it unless you are loading diagnostic dvds such as AVIA and then it will lock up.

MP3, JPG, And DVD-R Playback
The Zenith has an awesome MP3 and JPG playback user interface. It is very windows like and you can setup playlists with MP3 and shuffle them etc. It also displays the full MP3 file name at the bottom of the screen which is awesome. As far as JPG playback it is also A+. Has the the same great user interface and it allows you to do a playlist of JPGs and run a slideshow with different speeds of playback. Ihis player loads raw JPGS or Kodak Photo CD and when it does it displays PIC on the display which is cool. It loaded my 160KB JPGs in 1 second, 600KB JPGs in 2-3 seconds, and my 2MB JPGS in around 7-10 seconds which is outstanding loading times compared to other players I have auditioned such as the JVCs that took up to 1 minute to load the bigger JPGs. This player loves all brands of DVD-R media types that are burnt at any speed between 1X-8X.

I would like to mention that my Panasonic RP82 has been retired to the bedroom, because the Zenith matches or trumps it in every area, and also adds cool bonus features when it comes to MP3 and JPG playback. I found the looks of the player to be decent and not too cheap looking. The LCD display is very easy to read from 10 feet away and the icons on screen are decent also. I also noticed no types of ghosting on on my Toshiba 57H81 in 1080i mode from this player as I did in 480P mode on both this player and the Panasonic RP82. The reason for that is these Toshibas were known to ghost with 480i/480P content because of the upscaling the TV does to all 480 content to bring it up to 540P. That would be another reason to buy this player if you owned a RP HDTv that has that flaw like the Toshibas. The Zenith at 1080i will bypass the upscaling that your TV does and it will therefore get rid of your ghosting on dvds! I would highly recommend the Zenith DVB318 if you have a RP HDTV and want to see an awesome upconverted DVD picture!

[phenolite]

awesome review! thanks so much.

i still have to run avia w/the 318.

Also, folks, I tried lookin through this thread, but I didn't find the answer I was looking for...

I am watching a few 2.35 movies, and notice that the black bars are not as big as they should be. the zenith zoomed in a bit and made a 2.35 movie look like a 1.85. The dvd is running at 1080i, but how do i set it up to run 2.35 movies in 2.35? is the setting on my tv? or dvd?

thanks so much!

[mystery]

hurtz777,
Great review! Thanks. Yes, compared to my old Sony NS700P player which I still have sitting in a box, this LG/Zenith player is fantastic. Very close to HD and it's also like sitting in a concert hall listening to the sound.

phenolite,
I can't imagine your problem being the player. Try confirming whether your TV is configured to show full for DVD and not zoom.

Wayne

[phenolite]

i set the TV size to 4:3 on the zenith, and that displays 2.35:1 normally

odd....

[mystery]

phenolite,

Sounds like you've got some sort of letterboxing thing going on with your Hitachi. It seems like both the player and TV are communicating with each other with 4:3 parameters. I'm not even sure the 2.35:1 you're now seeing isn't 4:3 letterboxing and not true enhanced 2.35:1 widescreen. I'd play with the Hitachi settings with your player set for 16:9 to see if you can't get a proper widescreen configuration.

Wayne

[stevemilleresq]

Originally posted by PJO1966
I just got mine on Thursday from G. and I've been viewing 1080i on component.

Thanks.... I have one coming from "G"'s and after I placed the order I saw some stuff about a possible firmware upgrade that wouldn't permit it on newer units and that might have been a problem because I only have HD component inputs on my RPTV.

[Gray Davis]

While some dealers HAVE suggested that Zenith may disable upconversion, THERE IS NO HARD EVIDENCE one way or the other. Until I learn otherwise, I take such talk as speculation.

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by timatraw
I have the 318 hooked up to a panny plasma via component and seem to get that "green unsaturation" color. Anybody know how to fix this?
Thanks.
Tim You need to know how to change to SD color matrix from HD color matrix for your panny set (for component input and 1080i scanrate).

[timatraw]

How do I change to SD color matrix?
Thanks.
Tim

[Gray Davis]

I've been trying to figure out how - or IF - I can do the exact same thing with my LCD Z1 ... Anyone know?

[EMahn]

Originally posted by C.Y.
You need to know how to change to SD color matrix from HD color matrix for your panny set (for component input and 1080i scanrate).

On my Hitachi 50V500, there is a user menu for setting "Color System" for the component inputs. According to the manual, this switches between "HDTV - Use for High Vision Signal Y-PBPR from HDTV" and "SDTV/DVD - Y-CBCR."

Is Y-PBPR vs. Y-CBCR the same distinction as HD color matrix vs. SD color matrix?

-E

[NorthJersey]

I've had the 318 for a little over a week now, watched several movies since, ran into first problem last night. Me and the wife were watching Xmen 1.5, and in the middle of chapter 12 the movie just stopped, such that the front panel read 00:00:00 on the player, and the screen just showed the Zenith splash screen. The player wasn't frozen, I was able to hit play, but it started from the beginning, so I just advanced to chapter 13 (I should have tried to replay ch 12) and the movie played out just fine. I didn't check to see if the disk was scratched or dirty, but anyone see this yet ?

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by EMahn
On my Hitachi 50V500, there is a user menu for setting "Color System" for the component inputs. According to the manual, this switches between "HDTV - Use for High Vision Signal Y-PBPR from HDTV" and "SDTV/DVD - Y-CBCR."

Is Y-PBPR vs. Y-CBCR the same distinction as HD color matrix vs. SD color matrix?

-E It looks like it is, why not give it a try and check with the color decoder test patten?

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by timatraw
How do I change to SD color matrix?
Thanks.
Tim Usually it is a TV service menu option and every brand is different, you should ask people in TV forum.

[EMahn]

Originally posted by C.Y.
It looks like it is, why not give it a try and check with the color decoder test patten?
Thanks. I will do so when my 318 arrives later this week. I was hoping to educate myself on the terminology. I am still trying to learn the language (as in DVD, not English :-).

[hurtz777]

Well, I have now noticed a cropping issue in 1080i mode. The player actually cuts off around 5% of the top of the picture on 1:85:1 aspect movies in 1080i mode. The picture is perfectly centered in 480p mode though so it is an issue with upconversion between the player and my Toshiba 57H81 HDTV. In 2:35:1 movies the top bar is smaller then the bottom in 1080i mode. Has anyone else noticed this problem on a RP HDTV? Please lost your model if you have. I am hoping firmware can fix this issue and that it isn't an issue with model of HDTV.

[greeno]

I have a 50hx81 and am a bit puzzled by your cropping post. Have you set-up geometry using a template? If so, they you have 4% (or so) overscan all the way around. The issue then is a centering issue. You use HPOS/VPOS to re-center the image. This should correct what you call cropping. Note that the amount of overscan will vary by input. It's been awhile since I looked at mine, but I recall that 480i had the least and 1080i had the most.

Also why would you be using 480p? I only feed my display 480i (cable) and 1080i (DVD and OTA HD)

Best,
jeff

[hurtz777]

I just used the 480p to see what the properly centered image looked like compared to the improperly centered 1080i image.

[riccar]

I noticed that on 1080i my picture size is smaller by 2-4% when using rgb cables. The image is centered though.

[hurtz777]

Greeno, how much would I adjust those variables that you listed in service mode? Could I really botch the TV up if I adjusted too much? Is there a cold reset for the TV if I botch it up?

[kevlo9]

Are there any NEW sites that carry this player? Where's the BEST place to pick this up?

Also can this player play VCD/SVCD discs and will it also upconvert them?

THANKS.

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by kevlo9
Are there any NEW sites that carry this player? Where's the BEST place to pick this up?

Also can this player play VCD/SVCD discs and will it also upconvert them?

THANKS. Please read Zenith 318 FAQ thread.

[greeno]

hurtz777,
with vpos/hpos, you can't really botch things up too bad as they do not affect convergence, just centering of image. so if your overscan/geometry are correct, then the issue is just a centering (re-centering) one. write down the parameters before you change them, then see what recentering looks like on all scan rates.

Best,
jeff

[Steve S]

Most crt based HD-ready rptvs have more overscan in 1080i than they do in 480p. I've noticed when watching an OAR 2:35 movie from Showtime HD vs the dvd in 480p that the black bars are usually smaller from the HD source and there's a bit more overscan on the sides.

As for either the top or bottom bar being larger or smaller than the other, this can and does vary from one 2:35 dvd to another, I wouldn't mess with the set just because of this.

I verified this by placing masking tape on the right side screen frame of my set at the bar positions for Gladiator, then playing some other 2:35 movies.

Bar sizes varied by as much as an inch from one movie to another, some high some low in comparison to Gladiator.

[Haight]

Originally posted by kevlo9
Are there any NEW sites that carry this player? Where's the BEST place to pick this up?

Also can this player play VCD/SVCD discs and will it also upconvert them?

THANKS.

Kevlo9,

Out of the box the player can play VCD's. In order to play SvCD's, you will need to edit the Options area and change a value in order for it to recognize and play SvCD's. The procedure is buried somewhere in this thread. Use the "Search Thread" box and type in "55 53 00 47 14 55 FE FF" without the quotes and select the 2nd POST titled "Hello All, This is an awesome thread and shows..." to find the step by step instructions.

And yes, it will upconvert them as well, even though they are pretty low-resolution.

[Mikey_C]

Where can I buy one of these Zenith DVB318's? I checked the two sites listed in the FAQ, one of them doesn't even have it listed and the other doesn't have a price listed.

[PJO1966]

Gochnauer's doesn't list their price. You may have to jump through a few hoops to buy from them but their price is the best. Give them a call.

[bruman]

why is it they are the only reseller to have these in stock ?

[Mikey_C]

[list=1]
I've scanned several thousand messages on this DVD player, and it seems to me that a majority of people are using component instead of DVI. Is the component better than DVI or will I get the most "bang for the buck" with DVI? (I'm trying to avoid the cost of a DVI switch since my RPTV only has one DVI input and I already have an HD Tuner for that one).

Does this player have Faroudja? If it does....does it work on both the DVI and component outputs?

Where can I find a .pdf copy of the user manual?
[/list=1]

Thanks in advance.

[lirong]

I keep reading reviews of this player that discuss output at 1080i (generally people say its excellent) as well as at 480p (mixed with some being less impressed).

Quick question: Why would anyone want to output at 480p with this player anyway? Wouldnt you always leave it set for 1080i?

Thanks if anyone can help me understand this...

By the way I am about to order one from Gochnauer - has anyone had any trouble at all with them?

[jbird04]

1) The majority of people use component b/c upconversion works on component and they don't have a DVI connection. There are possible issues with both. DVI has white crush (90% white = 100%) and sounds like is more unforgiving on some displays as compared to others. Personally, I use DVI. Also, the SD color matrix is used over component while the HD matrix is used on DVI. Depending on which your display is expecting, this could be an issue for either.

2) Yes, and Yes.

3) I think there is a link for the manual somewhere in this thread, I downloaded it somewhere...

[JFerg]

Would someone that is seeing drastic White Crush on DVI please pm me.

Note: I need someone with the ability to burn a CD-R.

[Mikey_C]

Pardon my ignorance....but what exactly is white crush?

[phenolite]

from what i understand, whites are REAL white. The whites tend to bleed out - sorta like red push - i could easily be wrong :/

on to my original question....

I hate the remote for this player with all my heart. For me, i have to have it lined up exactly, in order to make the damn thing function. using the remote from an angle is not an option at times, as it just doesn't respond.

So I am considering the MX500 as a universal remote, or something similar. I am concerned with a few things...

Is the IR receiver of the Zenith really crappy? I mean, if i get a new remote, will it not matter, as the receiver on the dvd player is just not responsive?

Also, this is a relatively new player, I am not sure how old the MX500 is, but will older remotes have codes for the zenith?

if this is not on topic, i'm sorry

[aydu]

Might try a fresh set of batteries in the remote, just to rule out the possibility that you got a weak set with the unit.

My remote has to be aimed in the general direction of the player, but I haven't noticed it being any more sensitive to direction than any of my other remotes.

I'm about 10-12 feet from the unit and it sits about 12 " off the floor. Clear line of sight to the player and no glass doors between the player and the remote signal.

[NorthJersey]

Originally posted by Mikey_C
Pardon my ignorance....but what exactly is white crush?

I believe it was hometheater magazine where I read a good description, it was about black crush, in which they decribe a part in the film Training Day with Denzel Washington. He's wearing a black shirt, without black crush the author of the article was able to see creases in the shirt; with black crush you won't see any details. Same goes for white crush, pick a movie where there is a detailed white object, with white crush it'll look like one big white blob, without white crush you would see small details in it

[wmallory]

Originally posted by phenolite
So I am considering the MX500 as a universal remote, or something similar. I am concerned with a few things...

Is the IR receiver of the Zenith really crappy? I mean, if i get a new remote, will it not matter, as the receiver on the dvd player is just not responsive?

Also, this is a relatively new player, I am not sure how old the MX500 is, but will older remotes have codes for the zenith?
I have not noticed the IR receiver being any worse than on other equipment. I have a Sony RM-AV3000 universal remote and IIRC, there was only one Zenith preset DVD setting. It worked for most of the DVB318 functions, and then a quick learn session with the Zenith Remote filled in the rest. Getting FF and REW to work right can be a bit of a pain because of the jog dial on the Zenith remote: but it's not insurmountable.

[Mark Lopez]

Originally posted by phenolite
So I am considering the MX500 as a universal remote, or something similar. I am concerned with a few things...

Is the IR receiver of the Zenith really crappy? I mean, if i get a new remote, will it not matter, as the receiver on the dvd player is just not responsive?

Also, this is a relatively new player, I am not sure how old the MX500 is, but will older remotes have codes for the zenith?



The MX-500 works great with this player (as well as for controlling other equipment)

I just taught my MX-500 all of the commands directly from the Zenith remote, so you don't really need a pre-set code.

[Q of BanditZ]

I have DVI and have used it since getting this player almost what...two months ago now or so? Now, in my case, since I am using a 32 inch HD tube from Zenith, also, my white crush issues are probably a lot less noticeable than on some 40+ inch television of various technologies.

That being said, there have been a handful of incidents (Master and Commander on ship day scenes in rooms) where that light has been so bright I thought maybe that was the white crush. But for me, personally, whatever white crush there may be has been so negligible that I have yet to feel compelled to switch to component.

I should get my lazy butt to actually pull out the components and do an A-B test. Any real easy, agreed upon white crush scenes in certain movies I can try?

[BK EH]

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ

I should get my lazy butt to actually pull out the components and do an A-B test. Any real easy, agreed upon white crush scenes in certain movies I can try?

You have to use a calibration DVD like Avia, VE or DVE to readily see it -- spectrum is spectrum there! Otherwise it becomes eyes and scenes dependant.

[Michael TLV]

Greetings

Use the grayscale step pattern sweeps in AVIA and DVE to see the level of the white crush going on.

Another real DVD test scene that is used by the calibrators to demonstrate white crush is the "waiter" scene from 5th Element. The scene where he enters the room with the other creatures ... and says "it's show time." Look at the level of detail on his white jacket ...

Regards

[TonyS]

Originally Posted by Mark Lopez
I just taught my MX-500 all of the commands directly from the Zenith remote, so you don't really need a pre-set code. Mark - were you able to properly teach the FF/REW from the jog dial to the buttons on the MX500? If so, can you tell me how? I have been unsuccesful to date with these two buttons. Thanks in advance!

[Joxer]

Originally posted by lirong

Quick question: Why would anyone want to output at 480p with this player anyway? Wouldnt you always leave it set for 1080i?


You need 480p output mode for 4:3 titles since it will be displayed stretched out in 1080i mode with most HDTVs that lock in FULL mode with an HD signal. Using 480p output mode allows for pillar-boxed or non-linear stretch modes available in most HDTVs with 480i and 480p signals. Unfortunately the extra Y/C delay in 480p mode can cause color-bleeding in that mode. For those with a lot of 4:3 TV episode DVD box sets or 1930s and 1940s classic movies this can be a big issue.

[mallu2u]

Who has received the player within the last/this week? Can you still upconvert on component? Also any news on when the new 'updated' Zenith player with new firmware is going to be released?

[steph280]

I received mine a week prior, March built date, still upconverts AFAIK.

[PJO1966]

I got mine last week and 1080i works fine on component

[mallu2u]

This is good news. Q of BanditZ: Do u know when the updated version of this player is supposed to be released?

[stevemilleresq]

Originally posted by mallu2u
Who has received the player within the last/this week? Can you still upconvert on component? Also any news on when the new 'updated' Zenith player with new firmware is going to be released?

Mine came last friday with a March/04 build date and it upconverts to 1080i without a problem.

[Q of BanditZ]

Originally posted by mallu2u
This is good news. Q of BanditZ: Do u know when the updated version of this player is supposed to be released?

No idea. March and now June are the latest months I have heard thrown around on editions of this unit.

VE, DVE, or Avia. It's a tough choice. Would someone mind breaking these down for me, strengths and weaknesses, and so forth? I probably do need to get one of these eventually.

[mystery]

Echo, echo, echo.....:D

[wmallory]

I think Q might have a lead mouse finger. :)

[bruman]

can anyone still confirm these units from gochnauer are still upconverting over component ? also include your build date if possible ?

[dty]

I got mine from G about a week ago. upconverts no problem.

Im running an x1 ver 4.2 and also dont notice anysync isssues with voice.

not sure about the pic moving to the right, im ceiling mounted but when I shut the projector off I move it

it doesnt move when switching from 480-1080 though.

not sure of build date

[Q of BanditZ]

Originally posted by wmallory
I think Q might have a lead mouse finger. :)

Fixed. Sorry! :D

For some reason, the website really slugged on me when I posted that and I hit the mouse button a few times.

[Q of BanditZ]

Originally posted by dty


not sure of build date

Should say somewhere either on the back or underneath the unit.

[aydu]

Just for the record, I don't believe there has been a DVB produced that doesn't upconvert through the component as well as the DVI outputs.

[mallu2u]

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
No idea. March and now June are the latest months I have heard thrown around on editions of this unit.

VE, DVE, or Avia. It's a tough choice. Would someone mind breaking these down for me, strengths and weaknesses, and so forth? I probably do need to get one of these eventually.

Depends how techical u are Q of BanditZ. Avia is supposed to be the most friendly of them all, has good explaination for each step. It however few lacks 16:9 tests. Avia is also one of the most expensive ones out there, comparitively. but I have heard its worth the investment.

DVE jumps straight to the tests and is harder to understand without good knowledge. DVE contains 16:9 tests as well. Almost everyone recommended AVIA to me. I am looking for a good deal on Avia...as I am sure of buying Avia. Perhaps DVE down in the future when I truly understand calibration.

[b-mill]

Bruman, I received my 318 from G's last week and it upconverts just fine over component. Build date was March 04.

[DHT]

Hi,
I've been researching to try and find a decent dvd player to go with my dlp t.v. that I'm waiting on. The dvb318 sounds promising but I'm almost sure I saw a post from Kris Deering (Secrets) where he said the upconverting over component would only work for non copyrighted material. Since most dvds are copyrighted it seems that the component upconverting wouldn't work. Do you know for a fact that the component upconverting works with most dvds? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[jflegert]

Originally posted by aydu
Just for the record, I don't believe there has been a DVB produced that doesn't upconvert through the component as well as the DVI outputs.
I don't believe there has been a DVB produced that does upconvert through the DVI output for a "DVD that is copy protected". I believe they will upconvert using DVI/HDCP, but not just DVI.

[bowguy]

I received my dvb318 last evening and watched my first movie. I was greatly disappointed. My PJ is an IF5700.

I watched finding nemo and cold mountain. The colors on nemo were bright, but not sharp, the contrast seemed off. I tried adjusting the PJ but no luck. Cold Mountain movie had a green hue, not vivid at all.

Also via the DVI I could only get 480p, the manual states that if the dvd has "copy protection signals" then the DVI output will change automatically to 480P even though the selected upconversion resolution is 1080i. This feature also changes to 480P when I've slected 720P.

Comcast HD has a better clarity and PQ than this player. When I tried the Samsung 931 earlier this year, I was blown away by the PQ and in the dirt with lip sync.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

[Michael TLV]

Greetings

So you are saying that a picture made up of 350000 pixels of information does not look as good as a 1.3 million pixel image which is HD on your set?

Last time I looked, 350K was much less than 1.3 million. Of course HD looks better and a lot better ... it's supposed to.

Regards

[bowguy]

I didn't finish my thought process, sorry.

I ended up watching the movies via component set at 720P, the same as Comcast.

later,

[b-mill]

I would highly recommend giving 1080i over component a try. From my personal experience, and what seems to be everybody elses experience, 1080i over component is the absolute best feature on this player. I indeed noticed a big jump in PQ going from 480p to 1080i, and I'm highly skeptical of things that offer so much for so little. You owe it to yourself to at least see what everyone else is raving about. Good luck!

[mallu2u]

Originally posted by bowguy
I received my dvb318 last evening and watched my first movie. I was greatly disappointed. My PJ is an IF5700.


Also via the DVI I could only get 480p, the manual states that if the dvd has "copy protection signals" then the DVI output will change automatically to 480P even though the selected upconversion resolution is 1080i. This feature also changes to 480P when I've slected 720P.

Thanks

Folks: Can someone confirm this? I find that hard to believe that player shall not support HDCP on DVI. On the contrary I thought that upconvert is easier with DVI even with copy protection?

[bowguy]

I changed the component output to 1080i and the difference is an eye- opener. The PQ is very good, I guess I'll keep it for a while.

Too bad the dvi connection doesn't have as good a PQ as the component.

later

[jefe noche]

I'm having a problem with 1080i via component to my PJ (Sharp DT-200). 480p and 720p are fine, but for some reason 1080i does not play right for me (the signal drops out and in ....non stop).

The player plays 1080i fine to my Toshiba RPTV.

And the projecter accepts other 1080i signals just fine.

I am confused.

[mystery]

ISFer Michael TLV indicates in another thread that the white crush issue over DVI has been fixed by firmware.
He is beta testing it in his LG7832 unit right now. The firmware has turned his LG into the Zenith 318 model which it basically was anyway.
He confirms that the IRE scale now clearly differentiates 90 from 100.
This is great news!!

QUOTE]Originally posted by Michael TLV
Greetings

The DVI white crush issue is fixed with the most recent firmware. (not released yet ... still testing.)

Regards [/QUOTE]

Wayne

[PJO1966]

can he confirm 1080i & 720p after the upgrade?

[Michael TLV]

Greetings

This is not an "upgrade" ... but merely a side step. :) Trouble shooting the firmware from my end by running the unit on multiple display types and running test patterns to see what is happening in all 6 modes of interest. 3 on component and 3 on DVI. It is sometimes wreaking havoc on my player though. Nothing like using it as the test subject. There have been both positives and negatives so far. This is what beta testing is about and the final release version would be far cleaner than what I have here. As humans though, I can't think of everything ... so I just hope that myself and the small group of friends helping me to evaluate it on my end catch as much as possible. (Just want to do what we can.)

(interestingly ... 720P DVI so far looks the best and most anomoly free while 1080i component is the best on that other side.)

Regards

[gthomas]

Michael TLV - is there any indication that this beta release also fixes the cropping issue, or is it only to fix the DVI white crush?

-Gabe

[Michael TLV]

Greetings

One small step at a time ... the focus is on the white crush issue this time. The cropping is still there ... but varies a bit from 1080 to 720. Less cropping on 720.

Regards

[mallu2u]

Michael TLV: This firmware shall not stop the upconversion on component, right? There were some rumors that Zenith might stop allowing that. Also, once you are done with your testing, please let me know what all this firmware update is supposed to address. Thanks!

[Michael TLV]

Greetings

I can't address future decisions for Zenith, but can say that the current beta continues to support 1080/720 via component. No change there. From what I understand, the current focus is on fixing the white crush issue in the DVI section. This, they are making progress on ... (it's the negative side effects that I/we are also looking for and there have been a few so far. We spot them ... report back ... they try to figure out why ... and then develop a fix.)

Regards

[JeffKiel]

Anyone else having any trouble with their units? I am having consistent lockups where the player freezes and will not respond, must be unplugged.

[mallu2u]

Thanks for the update. Have they set a tentative date for release of the firmware? Also, are you aware if this is going to be made available to customers via Internet?

[clau]

Originally posted by Michael TLV


I(it's the negative side effects that I/we are also looking for and there have been a few so far. We spot them ... report back ... they try to figure out why ... and then develop a fix.)

Regards

There is a problem with the DVI output sent to HDMI inputs via adaptor cables: the unit will freeze up with no video display, at least in the case of the new Panny consumer plasmas. Do you know if the new firmware addresses this issue? Thanks.

[Michael TLV]

Greetings

Unfortunately, no date at all. Troubleshooting takes time and it may take even longer to determine why there are certain side effects and then try to fix them ... hoping not to cause even more side effects ...

A vicious circle indeed.

I'm not on the programming and coding side of things so I have it easy. I just get to point out what appears to be wrong with it or right with it. I don't have the knowledge to "MAKE DVD GO NOW!!"

Eventual distribution might be as simple as just through the net by visiting their site (or mirrors) to download the necessary file. Burn this file onto a CD-R and pop it into the player. 60 sec later .. it is done and the player resets itself.

(Believe me, you would not want to put this beta firmware into your player just yet. Especially without the ability to remove it in place of the original.)

Regards

[Gray Davis]

Originally posted by JeffKiel
Anyone else having any trouble with their units? I am having consistent lockups where the player freezes and will not respond, must be unplugged.

Do you have Auto Play disabled? It defaults to "On." My machine locked up once while using AVIA. Once I disabled Auto Play I had no more problems like this.

[rinse]

Am I better off letting this player do the 3:2 pulldown as opposed to my tv? I have a Hitachi 46F500.

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by rinse
Am I better off letting this player do the 3:2 pulldown as opposed to my tv? I have a Hitachi 46F500. I am confused, if you use 1080i output, why do you need 3:2 pulldown (unless your TV can display 1080p)?

[C.Y.]

Originally posted by Gray Davis
Do you have Auto Play disabled? It defaults to "On." My machine locked up once while using AVIA. Once I disabled Auto Play I had no more problems like this. I think mine defaults to "Off", you can verify yours by doing a factory reset.

[peters62]

I received my DVB318 yesterday and set it up last night Mar 2004 build and the auto play was set to off from the factory. The 1080i looked great over the component connection on my Sony 40XBR800 I watched StarWar II ATOC last night and I could see a difference between the 480p and 1080i when I checked a couple of scenes. Much better picture vs my JVC SA70 which is a few years old. Have not tried the DVI connection yet with the white crush problem I think I will wait till the firmware update that fixes that problem assuming that they do not disable the component upconversion.

[Gray Davis]

Originally posted by C.Y.
I think mine defaults to "Off", you can verify yours by doing a factory reset.

Whoops. Looks like I may be putting out some mis-information. I thought it defaulted to on but sounds like I was wrong. Sorry about that.

[Figgie]

I just placed my order for the 318 from "G"

Can't wait to try this on the Barco G 801 :)

[Paul Bigelow]

Time to "recall" that posting!

[bdavidson]

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
VE, DVE, or Avia. It's a tough choice. Would someone mind breaking these down for me, strengths and weaknesses, and so forth? I probably do need to get one of these eventually.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348959

I use Avia (the original cheaper one: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/630551982X/qid=1083779832/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl74/104-3971735-5697501?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846) for grayscale calibration. Always remembering to reduce the sets color/saturation to 0 to negate the red color bleed on avia's grayscale patterns. And I use "Sound And Vision Home Theater Tune-Up" (made by the Avia people I think: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000CGECF/ref=pd_cpt_gw_1/104-3971735-5697501) disc for quick contrast, brightness, color, and hue settings.

I recommend the Sound and Vision disc to anyone who is looking for a great cheap solution for quick tune ups. At 16.39 its a no-brainer for anyone with a TV or display device.

[greeno]

DVE is also pretty cheap (around $25 from amazon). It has correct grayscale (as does HTTU). I use it as the reference disc. I also concur that HTTU is quick and dirty and really easy to use.

Best,
jeff

[C.Y.]

I think deepdiscountdvd.com sells DVE for $16 + free shipping. I got mine for $13 (20% discount sale).