LG DV7832NXC DVI Player

[Dave Biggs]

Just picked up this player today and thought you fellas might be interested in how it performed. Having read through most of the other LG specific threads, I think this player might be a good answer for some who are looking for a DVI solution.

Now, I'm in Canada so as far as this players availability in the USA, I'm not sure so keep this in mind. A well, I'm no expert... so understand that my impressions are strictly novice. As well, all of my initial impressions are being viewed on a Sony KF-42WE610 LCD monitor. The display has been calibrated with AVIA(my Z2 report will follow when I get it). I will be using a fairly wide selection of disc's that will include:

Toy Story 1&2
LOTR
Star Wars Episode II
The Fifth Element Superbit

and a few more.

A little about the player.

The retailer I bought it from had just recieved them yesterday. My reason for even shopping was to look at a Samsung 931 and I just kinda tripped over this machine(literally). The price was VERY good and so I took the chance.

Included in the box was the usual manual(well written I might add) and all the cables you would need for just about any connection scheme one could think of. Composite cables, an S-Video cable, a good quality DVI cable and even component cables were included. First time I've seen that. The case is quite slim and seems to be quite well made. Very light weight but what isn't these days.

I have the machine hooked up through my Yamaha 1300 reciever with an optical cable and I am currently using the DVI connection to the monitor. This player WILL output 480P/720P/1080i through the component connection although I have not tested this as of yet. Through DVI, the player requires a HDCP compliant input. This has been tested and seems to be working flawlessly so far.

I only spent a few minutes looking at "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" Special Edition at all three resolutions and I can say that the picture is very good and will be excellent with a bit of tweaking. I will post a full report once I have a bit more time with the player and see what, if any, problems arise.

Hopefully my follow-on post will be of interest to those looking for a well priced player with DVI/Component upconversion with Faroudja DCDi.

I should be able to complete my report in the next day or so. Busy, busy, busy...

[merc]

Hi Dave,
Thanks for the heads up on this thread in the other thread.

When can you test the component 1080i output and let us all know if this LG-Samsung is the DVD Player for us component HDTV guys/gals?

Thanks!

[Dave Biggs]

I will test the LG through two monitors, a Sony KF-42WE610 through the DVI and component inputs, an XBR-36400 through the component inputs and a Z2 through both. The player initially looks stunningly good through the LCD monitor through DVI but as prior threads have indicated, there seems to be some concern about the component issue with upconversion though the manual states that this will be no problem.

I will endevour to hook and re-hook the player up over the next through days in every which way I can think of in hope of causing the player problems. One can only hope I have no issues:p

Let you know and stay tuned!!

[rickster904]

780p/1080i through component - Is it limited to non-copy-protected DVDs only?

[Mac The Knife]

Originally posted by rickster904
780p/1080i through component - Is it limited to non-copy-protected DVDs only?

Well, my LG 3510a is limited, so the odds are that this player is too.

[merc]

Well, my LG 3510a is limited, so the odds are that this player is too.Well, that will eliminate this player for me too...

[rickyricardo]

So...do the component outputs use the Faroudja de-interlacing chip or is it only used with DVI?

[samgt]

Dave,

How's your review coming along? I am interested in your review as I just bought the unit yesterday and have been pleasantly surprised by the quality of it. It is so good that to my eyes, it beats the Panasonic RP91 which I also own.

I don't have a DVI connection so I don't know the diffence in quality between the two connections (component and DVI) but using the component is already awesome to my eyes, so this makes me even more curious to compare it to DVI. What's your experience on this?

samgt

[jacksonian]

I just started exploring this option since I haven't wanted to run a 10m DVI cable yet, was waiting for HDMI of that length. Wouldn't all movies be copy protected? So, what, I could upconvert my home movies? What's the point?

[samgt]

Originally posted by rickyricardo
So...do the component outputs use the Faroudja de-interlacing chip or is it only used with DVI?

The manual states that the upconversion is through both DVI and component outputs.

samgt

[jacksonian]

samgt,
Does it make any mention of copy-protected stuff? Have you tried it yet with component?

[samgt]

jacksonian,

actually, I'm using it with component as my tv does not have DVI. To my eyes, the quality looks stunning and easily beats RP91. Of course, RP91 can only do 480p, but this one upconverts to 720p or 1080i.

samgt

[jacksonian]

samgt,
Is there any way to know what resolution it's outputting? Do you have it set to upconvert to 1080 or 720 or are you just using it at 480p?

If the latter, can you try setting it to 720 or 1080 and see what happens? Sure would appreciate it.

Brent

[samgt]

Originally posted by jacksonian
samgt,
Is there any way to know what resolution it's outputting? Do you have it set to upconvert to 1080 or 720 or are you just using it at 480p?

If the latter, can you try setting it to 720 or 1080 and see what happens? Sure would appreciate it.

Brent

No, I am using 1080i. there is a button in front of the unit that allows you to choose which upconversion you want - 480p, 720p or 1080i. My TV is not compatible with 720p so I use the 1080. The minor annoyance I find is that you have to stop the dvd disc before you can change the resolution. Of course you can change it before playing the disc.

samgt

[Artwork]

Any chance they will sell this unit in the US?

Sounds good I am very interested in buying one, but I cannot find any info on the unit anywhere.

Does anyone have a link to the specs on this unit?

[samgt]

I find it strange that this unit is not yet available in the US. Even here in Canada only one chain store carries it - 2001 AV. It is a new model mind you. The unit I have was manufactured in Nov. 2003 and made in Korea.

Even LG website in Canada does not have info on this. But for concise description of the unit click here: http://www.2001audiovideo.com

samgt

[jacksonian]

samgt,
Thanks! Just to clarify, you can watch new copy protected movies with it upconverting to 720 or 1080 through the component out?

If that answer is yes, then I've got to find a way to get one.

artwork,
This is the only place I can find any mention of it:
2001 Audio Video in Canada. I can't post a link to a retail site so you'll have to search for it. I've tried all kinds of search engines and that's all I turn up. It comes up with zippo on the LG website.

[samgt]

Originally posted by jacksonian
samgt,
Thanks! Just to clarify, you can watch new copy protected movies with it upconverting to 720 or 1080 through the component out?

If that answer is yes, then I've got to find a way to get one.



I don't know if there's a way for me to verify this. All I can say is that it enables me to choose the upconversion. There is no "error message" to the contrary. In fact, watching the same movie using this unit, and then watch it using RP91, the quality of RP91 looks grainy in comparison while the LG looks so smooth and no combing effect that you sometimes see on RP91. Also RP91 looks more saturated in color while with LG it looks natural.

Again, this is all subjective, and I don't consider myself an expert in judging video quality.

samgt

[samgt]

jacksonian,

do you know of any titles that are not copy-protected? I would be interested in viewing it and see if I can see any difference.

sam

[greeno]

I think that "the matrix" (the first one) is not copy-protected.

No observed combs could be due to one or more reasons - there is Faroudja de-interlacing on upconverted image, the higher number scan lines removes the comb effect, or you are watching film based titles and not video based ones. If you have any video based titles those typically are better for observing de-interlacing artifacts like combing.


jeff

[jacksonian]

samgt,
Can you tell any difference in image quality when you turn the upconversion on or off?

Also, can you look at that list of stores at 2001 and tell me which of those would be closest to the east coast of the US? Maybe they'd ship me one?

[samgt]

jacksonian,
Actually you can't turn the upconversion off. You can only toggle among the three resolutions: 480p, 720p and 1080i. I will try and switch between 480p and 1080i and see if there is a significant difference.

Any of the locations listed should be okay with no material difference in shipping charges. Try the Mississauga location, that's where I purchased mine from.

samgt

[Edmundo Lopez]

Dave/Sam:

How much did it cost? Have you tried to make it region free?

[Tup]

The price is $299 Canadian....so It seems to be a relative deal. I wonder about issues such as black crush that the Samsung931 suffers from.

[rickyricardo]

You could put a lot of questions to rest about the 1080i with copy protected dvd's if you had a digital camera. Just snap a picture showing either the dvd player or the tv stating that the source is 1080i or it is outputting 1080i.

I'm heading out to my local 2001 A/V tomorrow and will see if I can test 720p/1080i via component with a copy protected disc.

If anyone wants me to test anything else, just ask in this thread.

Even then I'd doubt people on this board would believe me if I told them that it does play copy protected discs at 720p/1080i so a pic would surely confirm it.

EDIT: After talking on the phone with 2001 A/V the guy said on the little card that is glued to the top of the player (the one that lists all the features to attract customers) it shows how the upconversion works and it shows the dvd player converting the signal and then how it is outputted through each source (composite, s-video, dvi, component) under DVI in brackets there is a list of resolutions it supports, they are 480p/720p/1080i. Then, under the component there is also 480p/720p/1080i. This could just be for macrovision free titles but the guy mentioned something else that was interesting...he said that the reason the player is not out in the US could be because it has macrovision disabled from the factory and since we don't have very strict copyright laws in Canada, it is legal; but it is illegal in the US. The salesguy said he can't test the component out because the 60" DLP they have it hooked up to is monitored by the manager and nobody can touch anything on the back without his approval.

I guess I'll try and see tomorrow

[rickyricardo]

Found the manual at the Canada support site...

Here's the link to the support site (I can't link to the pdf file directly):

ca.lgservice DOT COM

[jacksonian]

ricky,
It has nothing to do with trusting anyone so a camera isn't necessary. We just wanted someone to try it out and let us know. Please tell us what you find out.

[samgt]

Originally posted by rickyricardo
You could put a lot of questions to rest about the 1080i with copy protected dvd's if you had a digital camera. Just snap a picture showing either the dvd player or the tv stating that the source is 1080i or it is outputting 1080i.

I'm heading out to my local 2001 A/V tomorrow and will see if I can test 720p/1080i via component with a copy protected disc.





rickyricardo,

what copy protected disc are you gonna use? I might have a copy of it, I can test it now, if you tell me.

samgt

[samgt]

Originally posted by Edmundo Lopez
Dave/Sam:

How much did it cost? Have you tried to make it region free?

If you go to the setup menu, there is a choice there where you can change the country code. The manual lists all(practically) the countries in the world. I wonder if that means you can play any region-coded discs by just changing the country code?

No, I haven't tried changing the code because all my discs are region 1 coded.

samgt

[vanisle]

How long is the DVI cable Dave?I need a 3M one for my Z2 and my local AV store has this player,would be nice to kill two birds with one stone...

[zoro]

Does it do, PAL to NTSC conversion?

[rickyricardo]

sam:

I was going to use t2 extreme edition...and maybe also LOTR-FOTR or TTT

Are you 100% sure it outputs 1080i via component. In the manual it says "some copy protected DVD's may not play at the selected resolution eg: it will play at 480p even though 1080i is selected"

This sounds so unspecific it makes me think that they stated this just as a "we don't want to get sued but the feature still works"

Make sure your TV states that it is 1080i....even though I'm not questioning your findings or judgment.

[rickyricardo]

samgt are you still around??

Hoping you could check out the disc and save me an hour drive to the closest 2001 A/V tomorrow....:)

[rickyricardo]

Well...I'm looking out my front door and I'm pretty much snowed in. No work today but no drive to 2001 A/V for now :(

Maybe later on today I'll try....

EDIT: In case you didn't read my post on the other boards...just try any disc that was released in the last 3 months...99% of those are copy protected.

[rickyricardo]

Trying to keep this thread alive...:D

Here's a question for anyone that has or is getting this player:

Does it pass the blacker than black pluge test in Avia or DVE??

I'm getting mine around the end of next week, the 2001 A/V I called doesn't get any in until then...

[cmogman]

Do you know if any retailer/etailer in canada will ship these units to the US?

[robert123]

Originally posted by Artwork
Any chance they will sell this unit in the US?



Yes. See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=328403

I have not checked to see if it is available yet.

Robert

[Edmundo Lopez]

What is the nearest store to Windsor?

[rickyricardo]

The closest one to Windsor is the London location. It's about 2 hours away.

[Tup]

Well, do we have any more info on this player? Will it upconvert copy protected DVD's?

[rickyricardo]

Well, according to samgt, the player does upconvert copy protected discs through component but I believe this has yet to be confirmed because in the manual for the player it states that even if you select 1080i and it appears to be enabled, dvds may still be displayed in 480p...and samgt has no way of telling via his TV whether or not the signal is 1080i.

I'm heading out tonight to 2001 A/V to test a disc (copy protected) on a TV (using component inputs) that tells you what the source is (480i/480p/720p/1080i). I'll be back on between 6-8PM Eastern (It's 3:15 here right now so about 3-5 hours) to report my findings.

[samgt]

Originally posted by rickyricardo
Well, according to samgt, the player does upconvert copy protected discs through component but I believe this has yet to be confirmed because in the manual for the player it states that even if you select 1080i and it appears to be enabled, dvds may still be displayed in 480p...and samgt has no way of telling via his TV whether or not the signal is 1080i.

I'm heading out tonight to 2001 A/V to test a disc (copy protected) on a TV (using component inputs) that tells you what the source is (480i/480p/720p/1080i). I'll be back on between 6-8PM Eastern (It's 3:15 here right now so about 3-5 hours) to report my findings.

hey ricky,

please do ASAP. My TV set has no feature to confirm the resolution, i wish it did. What TV set has that feature? Mine is a Sony XBR 32".

samgt

[rickyricardo]

I checked the manual for your set and there is nothing to find out the resolution but most LCD/DLP sets tell you as do various others. On my Panasonic 47" I can tell somethings 1080i when I can't adjust the picture mode (Full, Zoom, 4:3).

Have you tried turning the 16:9 feature on/off? I think if the source is 1080i your set can't change this feature but if it is 480p you can.

[CaspianM]

I thought Sony shows the resolution for a few seconds. Besides you should be able to see a difference anyway.

[rickyricardo]

Just got back from 2001 A/V and Daredevil DOES work at 1080i through component video. The Hitachi LCD I viewed the disc on also enabled me to see if it works at 720p...which it DOES.

So...unless by some unfortunate event (ie: Daredevil is macrovision free) then I can officially confirm that this player outputs 720p/1080i via component on copy protected dvds.

If anyone from the US is thinking about getting this player...I MIGHT be able to arrange some sort of ebay transactions for anyone who wants one.

[Tup]

So how does the picture look? I'm hoping it's not going to suffer from "black crush" issues like the Samsung HD931. I may just give it a try...my local dealer says he can get it.....may be easier to deal with than a Bravo or Momitsu.

[greeno]

Be aware that if shipping an item, even if it is a gift, from canada to the us or visa versa, to only claim a value of $60. that is the amount that is exempted. I sent a gift to a friend in canada and claimed the $100 that ups allows for free insurance. At his end, he had to pay tax on the $40 (which was around $15) plus brokerage fees of another $40! We could dodge the tax on the $40, but I don't know how to get around brokerage fees. It's part of the import/export issue.

I'd check with different international shippers and see what they say before you just do it to avoid any bad surprises.

jeff

[drjlo]

Originally posted by rickyricardo
Just got back from 2001 A/V and Daredevil DOES work at 1080i through component video. The Hitachi LCD I viewed the disc on also enabled me to see if it works at 720p...which it DOES.

So...unless by some unfortunate event (ie: Daredevil is macrovision free) then I can officially confirm that this player outputs 720p/1080i via component on copy protected dvds.

If anyone from the US is thinking about getting this player...I MIGHT be able to arrange some sort of ebay transactions for anyone who wants one.

I called 2001 AV, and the store clerk had never tried to send something to United States and couldn't do it. He gave me LG Canada phone number, but I keep getting the voicemail.

I WILL get one for my Sony 60WE610 if you can somehow get it to me.

[rickyricardo]

Tup:

The picture looked fantastic in both 720p and 1080i. Better than the xp30 I've seen on a Toshiba 57". I saw no black crush issues but since the set was LCD I'm not sure if I could have seen it.

Time to research more about black crush!....

[Tup]

Well, from what I have read....black crush with the Samsung HD931 results from that DVD player having it's video range set to PC (computer) and not video. The manual for this LG DVD player (found on the net...see post a page back)...indicates that it may not work properly with computer displays. This would seem to indicate that it must be set for video range and therefore should not suffer from black crush.

I think I will order it....to match with my SE2HD (Sanyo Z2) projector.

[zoro]

do they have these stores in Otowa too?

[rickyricardo]

The nearest store to Ottawa is 5 hours away...


Also, can someone confirm that Daredevil on DVD is copy protected. I'm 99% sure but I have seen no hard evidence to prove it.


EDIT: zoro I might be able to ship one to you. We can use Ebay or half.com to insure that I'm not going take the money and run :) I just have to look into a few things before I decide if I could do it.

[zoro]

oh, i c!!

[DavidY]

Samgt,

Couldn't you have tried watching a DVD with the LG player set at 480p and then again at 1080i.....and see (no pun intended) if there are any PQ differences between the two?

Dave

[samgt]

Originally posted by DavidY
Samgt,

Couldn't you have tried watching a DVD with the LG player set at 480p and then again at 1080i.....and see (no pun intended) if there are any PQ differences between the two?

Dave

That I did, Dave. And the difference is significant. Note that my TV set is a Sony XBR which I am happy with. I am simply amazed with the PQ. I'm glad rickyricardo was able to do his test and confirm my subjective opinion about the player.

samgt

[zoro]

sam!! i hope u were using component? how is build quality?

[samgt]

Originally posted by zoro
sam!! i hope u were using component? how is build quality?

zoro,
yes, i am using component as my tv set does not have DVI. Build quality is quite solid.


samgt

[DavidY]

Originally posted by samgt
That I did, Dave. And the difference is significant. Note that my TV set is a Sony XBR which I am happy with. I am simply amazed with the PQ. I'm glad rickyricardo was able to do his test and confirm my subjective opinion about the player.

samgt

Glad to hear it, Samgt. Enjoy your new toy. I might check the local A/V dealers to see if they sell this LG player. However, I don't think that I can get another DVD player....four is enough including one in the bedroom. :D

Dave

[samgt]

DavidY,

Would you believe that this LG player is my fourth as well? Plus a D-VHS machine. I'm afraid I'm on the edge of becoming a "junkie" ;-)

samgt

[katri]

Is there reason to believe that the Zenith LVB318 will not operate the same when it is released in the US?

[jacksonian]

I don't know, the pdf of the manual that's linked to in the other thread shows the "upconversion to 1080 or 720 through DVI/Component" but it sure doesn't talk much about the feature in the manual.

If anyone sees the Zenith for sale in the US, please post it ASAP. I'll buy one.

[katri]

Both manuals are identical on that topic. They both say that copy-protected material will be shown as 480P.

[samgt]

Paging Dave Biggs,

Hey Dave. We are still waiting for your review. Anything coming out soon?

samgt

[zoro]

i think, buying zenith version, locally in US will be better bet?

[rickyricardo]

Just another note:

When I get my player next week I'll make sure to do a thorough analysis of it. Here's what I'm going to look at...I have DVE,VE and Avia and some of the discs used in the Secrets Shootout:

-Open up the player and see what MPEG and De-interlacer chips it is using
-Check for CUE with 3-2 and 2-2 Film flags with Toy Story (Though obviously, Faroudja masks this)
-2-2 Cadence Flags with Avia
-Film Mode - High Detail with Super Speedway
-Bad Edit (Hiccups in 3-2 Cadence) with Big Lebowski
-Per Pixel Motion Adaptive with VE
-Combing in Subtitles with Abyss
-Blacker than Black with VE
-Y/C delay with VE
-Image Cropping with Avia

General:
-Severe EE
-Ringing
-Layer change speed
-PAL-NTSC with a R0 PAL disc

Is there anything else I should test??

[arefog]

Ricky - it sounds like you'll be providing a most comprehensive report. Thanks!

PS: Are you trying to put "Secrets" out of business? :D

Richard Fogg

[majozx3]

Thanks guys for this find!
I hope it passes blacks an whites without crushing.

Again, could someone confirm that it comes witha DVI cable?
And if it does , how long it is
Thanks a bunch
Zed

[Robert Whitehead]

The US Zenith model # is DVB318. The Zenith web site does not say the player uses the Faroudja chip, but is very out of date, e.g. no mention of DVI out.

The player will not work with most computer monitors because they are not HDCP compliant; it is not indicative of use of the DVI Video standard.

[rickyricardo]

Here's a recap of everything so we don't get a lot of repeat questions:

LG DV7832NXC
-Available only at 2001 Audio/Video in Ontario, Canada for $299 CDN ($225 US)

-Supposedly, there is a US equivalent Zenith model DVB318 but this has yet to be confirmed although there is a manual available to download at us.lgservice.com (http://us.lgservice.com) for model DVB318 but the filename is actually DV7832. The manual is practically identical to the LG's but there is a Zenith logo instead.

-The manual for the DV7832 is available online at ca.lgservice.com (http://ca.lgservice.com)

-It uses Faroudja DCDi deinterlacing but no one is sure what Chipset it is or what MPEG decoder it uses (there is no mention of DCDi in the manual but I've personally been to 2001 A/V and have seen the DCDi logo)

-The box contains(unsure of the length of the cables):
1 DVI-D Cable
1 Component Video Cable
1 S-Video Cable
1 Composite Video Cable
1 Pair L/R RCA Audio Cables
1 Digital Coax Cable
Remote
Batteries

-It uses the video standard for DVI which means no black crush like the HD931

-Plays copy protected DVD's at 720p/1080i through BOTH the DVI and component outputs (unless Daredevil on DVD is macrovision free...)

-Does NOT play PAL DVD's

-Is NOT Region Free

That's all I can think of for now...

EDIT: Secrets Shootout will BE MINE!!!

EDIT 2: Thanks samgt for mentioning batteries and coax cable

[samgt]

Originally posted by rickyricardo
Here's a recap of everything so we don't get a lot of repeat questions:

LG DV7832NXC
-Available only at 2001 Audio/Video in Ontario, Canada for $299 CDN ($225 US)


-The manual for the DV7832 is available online at ca.lgservice.com (http://ca.lgservice.com)

-It uses Faroudja DCDi deinterlacing but no one is sure what Chipset it is or what MPEG decoder it uses (there is no mention of DCDi in the manual but I've personally been to 2001 A/V and have seen the DCDi logo)

-The box contains(unsure of the length of the cables):
1 DVI-D Cable
1 Component Video Cable
1 S-Video Cable
1 Composite Video Cable
1 Pair L/R RCA Audio Cables
Remote

-It uses the video standard for DVI which means no black crush like the HD931

-Plays copy protected DVD's at 720/1080i through BOTH the DVI and component outputs (unless Daredevil on DVD is macrovision free...)

-Does NOT play PAL DVD's

-Is NOT Region Free

That's all I can think of for now...

EDIT: Secrets Shootout will BE MINE!!!

In addition to what ricky has enumerated above, the box also includes batteries for remote and a digital audio cable (coax).

samgt

[ZedZ]

Originally posted by rickyricardo
-It uses Faroudja DCDi deinterlacing but no one is sure what Chipset it is or what MPEG decoder it uses (there is no mention of DCDi in the manual

The 2001 website says that the player uses a CDI processing chip.

Either they made a mistake and meant DCDI or maybe you misread CDI as DCDI. Please reconfirm and let us know

Thanks

[rickyricardo]

ZedZ:

It is a typo. I was at 2001 A/V and there was a DCDi logo on the player as well as the little card that is glued to the top of it.

[plevine]

Further confusing the issue: The Zenith website has a model DVB318 listed as a 1080i output dvd player. However, it does not list a DVI output in the specs, rather a 1080i component output. Hmmm, wonder whether the site is wrong or there is a difference between DVB and LBV. For what it's worth, I couldn't find any DVB318's for sale on the net.

[Edmundo Lopez]

Ricky:

Do you plan on trying the region hacks that are available at www.vcdhelp.com for the LG players?

I thought that all the LG players did PAL to NTSC conversions.

[KornerKlub]

At the CES, the Zenith model is DVB318 and comes with the above-mentioned card on top talking about the faroudja chip. It does have DVI.

[rickyricardo]

I have a PAL R0 disc to test on the player when I get it

[Tup]

ordered mine today! Lg canada has them in stock....so any store which sells LG electronics in Canada should be able to get this item for you.

[eujin]

Anyone know if there's a store in Montreal that carries this player? I live in Boston, but I could easily convince my wife that we should drive up there for a "weekend getaway." :D

[samgt]

As far as I know, only 2001AV carries this unit. You could check if they have store outlets in Montreal. I think they do, but I'm not sure.

samgt

[zoro]

How about on WEST COST?

[samgt]

Originally posted by zoro
How about on WEST COST?

they have store locations in the vancouver area.

[Cricricri]

eujin: as Tup said (but didn't check myself), it's possible to order it from any store which sells LG. In the Montreal area, Brault & Martineau could do the job (see their web site to order). Have a nice honeymoon-like trip in Montreal !

Newbie questions:

1. will I take advantage of the 720p upconversion while watching DVD with a 800x480 DLP front projector (soon to be Infocus 4805- both component and DVI capable) ? Will it show ?

2. Terminator 2 extreme edition has a 1080i layer only watchable via HTPC: will this layer be visible with the LG unit (on any HDTV-ready TV) ?

[eujin]

Y'know, if I actually go up to Montreal just to pick this up, it'll be the third year in a row that I've been there in FEBRUARY.

By the way, 2001 AV does NOT have a store in Montreal.

[Ron Castro]

I've been following this thread since it's beginning. I have the Bravo 1 hooked to my 50" Panny via a dvi 4 way splitter shared with my Dish 811 HD satellite receiver. That means one group of settings have to be shared by my dvd player and my satellite receiver.
I don't know where in this thread I got the impression that the LG had it's own brightness/contrast, etc. controls like the Bravo 2 is supposed to have when it is released, but I just hung up with a salesman at a Toronto 2001 a/v store and he checked all available options/controls while I was on the phone.
He said that he had no idea why this very basic player was so much in demand.
This question probably belongs somewhere else, but I think we're all looking for the same thing, a dvd player with dvi out and a bit more punch than the Bravo.
Does anyone know what player will do what I need?
I would really appreciate your help

Thanks,
Ron

[Cricricri]

That's why you should then use the Brault & Martineau alternative.
Don't you like snow, ice and -45C with wind factor ?

[rickyricardo]

I got lucky and 2001 got my player in...I'll be picking it up tonight and reporting the results of some of the tests

[jacksonian]

ricky,
Do you have a display that will tell you what signal it's getting?

That way we could know if a copy-protected DVD is being output at the 720p or 1080 that you've selected or whether it's being output at 480p regardless of the setting because of the copy protection.

That's the key for me. If it's going to output 720p with a copy protected DVD over component, then I want one, desperately.

[Ron Castro]

Cricricei

What is the Brault & Martineau alternative/ and no, I am sick of freezing my ass off! This has been one hell of a winter!

Ron

[samgt]

Originally posted by jacksonian
ricky,
Do you have a display that will tell you what signal it's getting?

That way we could know if a copy-protected DVD is being output at the 720p or 1080 that you've selected or whether it's being output at 480p regardless of the setting because of the copy protection.

That's the key for me. If it's going to output 720p with a copy protected DVD over component, then I want one, desperately.

jacksonian,

go back 2 pages of this thread and ricky already answered this question.

samgt

[zoro]

Which stores in Vancouver area?

[Dewi]

LG Canada's website (http://lg.ca) has a store finder for their various product lines by province/city...it will give you the store locations and phone numbers to call for whatever area is closest to you.

[rickyricardo]

Okay:

I've tried about 40 discs and all output 1080i through component.

Also:

No CUE on the Toy Story menu
passes blacker than black PLUGE with VE
No ringing or EE I could see
layer change is about 1 sec or so

I will do more tests tomorrow...

[HeaTransfer]

Ricky,

You ought to write for Secrets of HT and HiFi (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/call-for-writers.html).

This is a pretty funny line to put as a qualification. :D

[Jeff Gregory]

Originally posted by rickyricardo
Okay:

I've tried about 40 discs and all output 1080i through component.

Also:

No CUE on the Toy Story menu
passes blacker than black PLUGE with VE
No ringing or EE I could see
layer change is about 1 sec or so

I will do more tests tomorrow...

How is the video quality? Is it sharp, soft, grainy etc? Does the upconversion to 1080i help much?

[rickyricardo]

Originally posted by Jeff Gregory
How is the video quality? Is it sharp, soft, grainy etc? Does the upconversion to 1080i help much?

The video quality is actually better than I expected. I used all 3 calibration discs (Avia, VE, DVE) and I found Avia to give the most accurate color and VE was more accurate for contrast/brightness. With Avia and DVE brightness I had to turn my sets setting down two notches of their recommended setting because it was too grey and washed out the color. VE got the brightness setting perfect.

The best example I can use to explain the difference with upconversion is in Attack of the Clones Scene 28. When Jango and Obi's ships come out of hyperspace, the amount of stars you see in the background double and the rings around the planet become much more detailed (at least on my set). The picture looked more "3D" than on any other player I've seen.

I actually like to use Raiders of the Lost Ark (where Indy finds the place to start digging for the ark and then shows the sun setting while they are all digging) to test for grain. On my other players, there was alot of grain around the sun...but on the LG, the grain is minimized quite well (although it's still there, it's not as distracting as other players).

Also in the opening scenes of Raiders there are some fantastic shots which were blurred and lacked detail on my other players when I was comparing them but on the LG, background detail becomes more sharp and defined. When Indy is at that head thing (I forget what it is!) you can see Alfred Molina (Forget his character name) in the background and he is much more detailed and sharp. I've never realized until getting this player how brilliant and amazing some of the shots are.

I've yet to do most of the tests but I will try to make time to do them today.

One question if anyone knows:

I'm going to test the flicker problem in Toy Story when Woody is talking on the can with the red lid, but I'm not sure what the technical term for it is...Is it Color Saturation Suppressor (CSS)? I remember the RP62 and CP67 Panasonics had this setting off so the lid flickered on those players.

[DavidY]

Rickyricardo,

Did you try out your R0 PAL DVD too?

Dave

[Cricricri]

Rickyricardo,

It's called the cross color suppressor and you have to wish it's set to OFF because on the RP62 and RP56 it was ON (and so was the flicker).

You said everything is displayed in 1080i via component: can you make it 720p via DVI also ?

Keep on the good work !

[MikeK78]

Just so all you know..

I got this player and hooked it up to my samsung DLP and it does not work through DVI. Returned it to the store and they also tried and the consencus was that the LG will NOT work on Samsung DLPs through DVI. Works fine through component.

DVI works on the Hitachi and the Sony LCDs though. The salespeople also said the Samsung DVD will not work on the Sonys through DVI. There must be some kind of compatibility issues with the different DVI outputs perhaps. Just a note for those planning future purchases.

This sux. Now I have to buy the Samsung DVD to take advantage of the DVI.

DOH

Mike

[Tup]

OK Ricky....now you have to crack that puppy open and see how the guts look! What's the mpeg decoder? Check out the DCDi chip....the loader.....


right now your the man!

[samgt]

ricky,

please post your findings on the other forum as well. there are those out there who are interested.

thanks.

samgt

[katri]

Ricky - just sent you a PM...

[rickyricardo]

DavidY:

I have yet to try my PAL DVD yet...I knew I forgot something...I'll try it tonight.


Cricricri:

Thanks for the info about the cross color suppressor...and yes it does do both 720p/1080i via DVI. I watched both on a Hitachi LCD.

Tup:

I wish I could open the player now but I think I'd like to make sure everything's in working order before I think about voiding warranties and so-on. Probably in the next 2 or 3 days I'll pop it open.

Samgt:

Thanks for reminding me I'll copy and paste my findings and post them on the other board.

People who have sent me a PM: I'm trying to organize some kind of buying program but the 2001 A/V guy I talked to didn't seem too thrilled about me possibly buying most of the stock at once (they only have 5 or so). The guy seemed like an idiot so I think I'll try another 2001...I think there's another one that's not too much further away than the one I bought mine from. I'll see what I can do tomorrow...

Any other questions??

[Lou Sytsma]

Mine's going back. There is some marginal improvement going component with my NECLT150 but not enough to kick out my RP91. With all the video tweaking features the RP91 has I have managed to get it setup with a pretty decent picture.

The LG unit's picture is a toss up with the RP91. There's just not enough picture improvement for me to justify the switch.

I suspect DVI projector users will get better results.

[Edmundo Lopez]

I decided to buy one too and drove 4.5 hrs total from Rochester Hills, MI. I bought it at the store located in London.

I tried Jurassic Park which I have letterbox and thru DVI it stretches the movie. I cannot change it on my TV to go to normal, it's lock in FULL. I have a Panny PT50LC13. I also changed the setting on the DVD to Letterbox, but it still gives me a stretched image.

I have it connected thru DVI and I tried adding component, but it doesn't show the movie thru component. I unplugged DVI and then I got it thru component.

I called the London store to make sure they had it in stock, and because I was driving from Michigan they gave a 10% discount.

[Don1959]

I too tripped over this player at 2001, wish I had read this thread before I had bought it... I have a Samsung HLN5065 DLP and the DVI will not work... played around with it for a couple of hours but no luck....

Tried it out through the component connection and it worked well... but as the DVI is the reason I bought this thing, I did not give it a real work out...

The Samsung DLP already has DCDi and converts everything to 720p, so I did not notice any great improvement over the 480i from my Panny RV32.

So, I guess it will be returned for credit - 2001 Audio/Video's 30 day return is only for exchange or credit, no refund....

Oh well. this should make me take a little more time and do at least a little research be fore I buy again....

Don

[rickyricardo]

Here's some results of my tests:

PASSED (at both 480p and 1080i):
-Check for CUE with 3-2 and 2-2 Film flags with Toy Story
-Cross color suppressor is off, there was no flicker on the lid in Toy Story
-2-2 Cadence Flags with Avia
-Film Mode - High Detail with Super Speedway
-Image Cropping with Avia
-Per Pixel Motion Adaptive with VE
-Blacker than Black with VE
-Severe EE (NONE)
-Ringing (NONE)
-Layer change speed (~1 sec)
-PAL-NTSC with a R0 PAL disc

FAILED (at both 480p and 1080i):
-Combing in Subtitles with Abyss (couldn't see at 480p but at 1080i it was slightly apparent. Maybe I'm seeing interlacing??)

YET TO TEST:
-Bad Edit (Hiccups in 3-2 Cadence) with Big Lebowski
-Open up the player and see what MPEG and De-interlacer chips it is using

Any tests anyone wants me to do? I have all 3 major calibration discs or just name a movie that has bad flags or something and I can see how the player holds up...

EDIT-Added Cross Color Supressor result

[samgt]

Folks:

Just a reminder. Make sure you plug either DVI or component and not both.
Also, this player had DVI-D output, so I guess it should be connected to a DVI-D input .

samgt

[ARFF]

I wonder if image quality from the 1080i components outs to my Panny PJ which is 960x540. Would the quality be better with the upscaling to 1080 then back down to 540 or go straight from 480p to the 540 res of my PJ?

[Dewi]

Originally posted by rickyricardo
Any tests anyone wants me to do?
How about any chroma delay on the component outputs?

The PAL-to-NTSC results are interesting, since it is a completely undocumented feature. Perhaps you should also post this fact at DHC since there was some discussion about it relating to region changing.

[Edmundo Lopez]

I was able to adjust to normal on my tv by outputting 480P conected through DVI and component; it's not possible at 720P and 1080i.

What are those other forums you guys are talking about? I would like to read the posts about making it region free.

[rickyricardo]

to samgt or others who have the player:

do you guys notice that when a disc is playing and the lcd on the player is displaying the time that sometimes the time flickers just a little bit? It's hard to describe but it's like a few dots of the display just flick off and on for a split second. Does anyone else have this? I wanted to see what it is before I look into opening the player up.

[Edmundo Lopez]

I saw it happen yesterday when I had it set @ 480P, I had the menu screen set for a while and saw it flicker. I changed it to 720P and it went away, both cases connected thru DVI.

[rlindo]

Hopefully someone can test this player with the Sanyo Z2 to see if the Z2 accepts/recognizes the dvi signal and how the image looks.

[rickyricardo]

Edmundo:

I was actually referring to the display on the player itself not the output to the set.

[samgt]

ricky,

I haven't seen the flicker as I have not been looking for it:)

I'll watch out for it and let you know.

samgt

[Don1959]

Just returned my player to 2001 Audio/Video... They were kind enough to give me a refund instead of a credit...

I think I will wait until the new Samsungs hit the stores and see what they can (and can't) do....

Hope this player works out for other people better than for me...

Don

[samgt]

ricky,

could you check this out?

The manual says the connection is a DVI-D, the cable that came with it is a single link DVI-D. The connector at the back of the unit though, looks like a DVI-I dual link. if the unit indeed has a DVI-I dual link, will the cable that came with it still work?

I don't have a DVI monitor so I cannot use this connection, but for my learning purposes and future use, could you please enlighten me, or anyone?

samgt

[jacksonian]

sam,
Somebody posted an explanation of the difference somewhere around here the other day, could have been in a pj forum. I think they will both work.

[eujin]

Hmmm...the PAL-NTSC conversion is a key feature for me. Anyone know how to make this player region-free? Also, if anyone's willing to help me pick up this player in Canada, please send a pm (wife nixed Montreal this year).

[samgt]

Originally posted by rickyricardo
to samgt or others who have the player:

do you guys notice that when a disc is playing and the lcd on the player is displaying the time that sometimes the time flickers just a little bit? It's hard to describe but it's like a few dots of the display just flick off and on for a split second. Does anyone else have this? I wanted to see what it is before I look into opening the player up.

Okay ricky,

I did not observe the behavior you described with my unit. Everything looks normal.

Oh yes, I watched Finding Nemo last night. It was awesome especially after I "calibrated" my TV using Video Essentials. I had to watch Open Range again to enjoy that gorgeous scenery of the open range.

samgt

[rickyricardo]

Originally posted by samgt
Okay ricky,

I did not observe the behavior you described with my unit. Everything looks normal.

Oh yes, I watched Finding Nemo last night. It was awesome especially after I "calibrated" my TV using Video Essentials. I had to watch Open Range again to enjoy that gorgeous scenery of the open range.

samgt

Just to make sure before I look into it...the flicker of the LCD is on the player ITSELF not anything displayed on the TV and a few dots just randomly flicker on it every 30-60 sec or so. It's only the time display that flickers as well...

I'll probably call LG about it but since someone else in this post got confused as to what I was saying I just wanted to make sure...

Thanks for your help.

[samgt]

Yeah, I understood you the first time, ricky. The LCD display of my unit does not flicker like you described.

samgt

[rickyricardo]

Originally posted by samgt
Yeah, I understood you the first time, ricky. The LCD display of my unit does not flicker like you described.

samgt

Thanks

Unfortunately, this has put a delay on my plan to open the player. I don't want to open the player if there's something wrong with it incase I have to take it back because I'd be screwed.

[rickyricardo]

Just got home with another player. I called LG (they were very nice BTW) and explained my problem. The girl told me that it could be nothing but it might also mean something worse could happen down the road. She actually asked me where I bought it and what the phone number was for the store so they can call and arrange the exchange. All I had to do was drive to the store and exchange the player no questions asked.

I still haven't hooked up the player yet to see if the problem is still there but I just wanted to mention how great the tech support was. I was pleasently surprised...especially after a horrible experience with Toshiba.

[aamiic]

Can anyone confirm the quality difference between a component setup and a DVI setup for this DVD player? I've read through the thread but haven't seen anyone comparing the two.

[Edmundo Lopez]

Have any of you experienced flickering using 480P on the player? If I switch to 720P or 1080i I don't see it.

Thanks

[frankhj]

Does anyone have any theories as to why the LG player DVI will not work with the Samsung HLNs?

[sonick182]

Any other places in canada that carry this player besides 2001AV?

[C Schiewek]

Lots of places... Go to lge dot ca and click "where to buy"... Don't call Leons or big chains, they won't carry it, but the smaller shops listed in your area will be able to order it...

I just got quoted a price of 280, so I'm interested... but....

How does it handle non-anamorphic letterbox DVDs? Does it scale? Can you zoom in to manually scale?

[majozx3]

Woudl be nice if it could "loose" the vertical black bars on a 16:9 display when watching letterbox DVDs.

[rlindo]

Zed,

do you have it? If so, does it work well with the Z2?

[majozx3]

no, sorry I don't have it. My wife said no purchases until April. So I better behave :-)
I was just hoping I could do something about letterbox DVDs as I don't think the Z2 has any screen settings specifically for them.
It is on my short list though for DVI.
I will also look into HD in Ontario before I make that purchase.
I hope COGECO will offer HD soon.
I'd like to get HD before the next NFL season.

[maple leafs]

RE;z2

Just opened mine and it comes with a DVI-D cable. My Z2 is DVI-I. Big problem. I will now see if it it can be adapted.

I just telephoned tech support who said it was made to work with their plasmas. Great. He also said i might want to bring it back or use the component but would not get the up-conversion. What a ****** waste of time this was.

The only thing I'm hoping is that an adapter could be found and that there would be no signal degradation. Possible?

[kenhdtv]

Mike & Frank, I'm also surprised it doesn't work with a Sammy DLP using DVI as I have the LG 3510A DVD/OTA combo and it does play DVDs using DVI with my Sammy 56 DLP.

Maybe it has the same firmware problem the 3510 has experienced with some HDCP compatible TVs. I think the 3510 firmware fix has been included in new units.

Ken


Ken

[maple leafs]

CORRECTION

I just opened the cables and realized the only difference between the two interfaces is the dvi-d is missing some of the prongs. I suspect that it is only the analogue prongs. Anyways when one looks at the two they look different but it is not the case, it fits!

I'll let you know how it works later as I have yet to plug in either unit.

LG tech support should brush up on their dvi basics, I was half way out the door to bring it back when a search here at this great forum said it would mate. NOTE: It wouldn't work in reverse if it were the case as the DVI-I prongs would be blocked.

[Tup]

You are correct...a DVI-D cable will work with the Z2!!! let us know how it works as I have one on order and also have a Z2 (SE2HD).

[majozx3]

yeah, maple leaf
the D cable will work.
let us know how it is with the Z2
If you have a chance, check out a Letterboxed DVD to see how it fits on the screen.
thank
Zed

[hstobbe]

I went to 2001Audio in Kitchener the other day. They had the player in stock, $299 CAD. They would only offer an in store credit if I returned it. I am currently using an rp82 with a Toshiba 57dhx82. Any comments as to whether there would be an improvement in pq using the dvi of the LG over the component of the rp82?

[ckeim]

I'm running an RP-91 as well, and would love to try this player out. Sadly, I can't find a way to order one here in the States.

If anyone would be willing to help me get ahold of one, or even bought one, isn't happy with it, and can't return it for a refund, please PM me.

[rlindo]

maples elafs,

I eagerly await your impressions.:) I am itching to buy this thing (been wanting a good dvi player even before i got the z2) but won't until I get some positive feedback with it mated to the z2.

[Edmundo Lopez]

Originally posted by Edmundo Lopez
Have any of you experienced flickering using 480P on the player? If I switch to 720P or 1080i I don't see it.

Thanks

I've only experienced it using DVI, using component it's fine.

[maple leafs]

Okay, i've got some bad news and some really bad news. I should add , don't be hasty in dismissing this player as I only had one disc (Lord of the Rings) for trial this evening and I am somewhat of a novice in this department. I am hoping it has something to do with the disc or maybe it is all this HDCP stuff that is causing the havoc.

Firstly, there is a pamphlet inserted in the box, sort like a last minute correction stating some of the issues others have mentioned such as upscaling is only component or dvi (no big deal but somewhat dubious)

Anyways Problem 1. With component cable( by the way the supplied one does not even have quasi-gold plating) the only signal I can get is 480p and 575p. With zoom on the Z2 it gives me a 36x96 and 31x96 respectively. Kind of small but the real issue is no 720p or 1080i. Normal mode is even smaller white bars under the picture with 575p. By the way it works on the input 1 side only with the y/cr/yb/y (something like that). Maybe those who have a better understanding than I might know what the problem might be in this regard.

Problem 2. With the dvi cable the picture comes on for one second than scrambles for ten. Therefore natta. I have tried every permutation of settings.

Other than than that everything is great. Just kidding.

I'll try another disc tomorrow.

The only positive thing I came away with tonight was that the Z2 is so great even in these lower outputs , I wish I did not take the advice of most including ProjectorCentral who said 90-100 inch diagonal. Mine is 110 and and I am thinking I should of bought a much larger hi-power.

[rlindo]

I tell you one thing...all this dvi crap is pissing me off. It'd be nice if every dvi player worked with every dvi display.

This could be an issue with the z2...I have read its dvi connection might be a little funky with an hdcp compliant signal.

[Tup]

Maple Leafs....are you sure you have the Z2 set up correctly for DVI? I know others have had trouble in this regard. Search for some posts here about that. When outputting DVI....don't have the component cables connected to the DVD player and vs/versa) Also, what version of firmware is your Z2?
It really seems like something is different here. If someone else can output 1080I or 720P over component then either the disks he used were not copy protected(40 of them?!?!) or his DVD player has HDCP disabled and yours has HDCP enabled. I can't see the Z2 being the cause of component issues. As I said...make sure you only connect one thing at a time.

[maple leafs]

Update.

Actually Tup you are partly right in that I did not have the connection for the component set up right. Unfortunately things still don't work.

I'll try to be more clear with the different set ups.

The instructions in the LG box state upscaling is only available with component or dvi (and make sure both are not connected at the same time). Fair enough.

Set-up 1) Component coming out of LG into the component of Z2.This was the one mistake I made yesterday. I should have bought a component/dvi cable to attach it to so that it plugs into the dvi port (input 2)in the Z2. By putting it directly in the component(phono plug like ports) the signal becomes a y-pb/cb-pr/cr signal which as LG states will not up convert.
I got a nice 480p picture. It could also output 575p but there was white bars in the gray bar area and the picture shrunk vertically. I hope this is going to happen even more if I ever get 720p to work.
So I cannot say if it works through component as I don't have the cables.

Set-up 2)Dvi-d out into the DVI-I Z2 port. This set up was correct and gives me the same results today with different dvd's. I have tried it in both the RGB(PC Digital) and RGB(AV(HDCP) source selections.What I get is a picture that comes on for a second, than is totally gone( billion scrambled dots) for ten seconds then will come back again for a second and keep repeating over. The picture when it is there is only 480p. When I check with the AV system menu it shows 480p at the top box and everything else is ------, meaning no signal ( the 480p turns into ---- also as the picture disappears). There is a button on the LG that if you press it it upconverts. However this did nothing. Strangely enough there is no visual indication on the LG when this button is pressed.

I just talked to sanyo and we came to the conclusion the firmware in the LG with respect to HDCP is not going to work with the Z2!!!!! It is going back.

[BobAll]

Don't be too hasty to return your DV7832NXC DVD player.

I have exactly the same problem with the DVI connection and my SE2HD.

I talked to an engineer at LG yesterday and there is a firmware update in the works, he thought it might be released next week.

I'll keep you posted.

[rlindo]

damn. guess i will wait this out a bit longer. No biggie though

[maple leafs]

Great news Bob. How do I get the update?

[zoro]

any input on

LG LST-3510A HDTV Receiver / Hi-Format DVD Player

[Tup]

Well, ok I just cancelled my order...I'll wait to see if they can get this issue worked out with the Z2. I read in another forum that you would have to send the DVD player back to LG to update the firmware. I'm not sure if this is true in Canada as well.

I still can't understand why some people can get the upconverting working via Component and others can't.

[jacksonian]

I've never heard of a component->DVI cable. So you can't do
component -> component and get the upconversion? Where do you get a component->DVI cable?

[1212patatepoil]

I can confirm this unit is available in Quebec.

My boss picked up a few units at a Stereo Plus location in St-Jerome (45 mins. north of Montreal).

I am under the impression that this unit is available at most Stereo Plus locations accross the province (store locations at stereoplus.com).

I also know that Centre HI-FI locations usually carry LG merchandise, but I don't know for sure if they have this DVD player in stock.

-- Patate

[jcg]

What number are you calling to get an LG Engineer? They are having the same problem with the DVD player in the 3510A, and supposedly just started shipping with a new firmware release. Not sure if the new firmware in the 3510A fixes the DVD/Z2 problem or not as it seems strange they wouldn't fix it in both products.

John

Originally posted by BobAll
Don't be too hasty to return your DV7832NXC DVD player.

I have exactly the same problem with the DVI connection and my SE2HD.

I talked to an engineer at LG yesterday and there is a firmware update in the works, he thought it might be released next week.

I'll keep you posted.

[Tup]

Can those who have tried this with the Z2 or SE2HD comment on what firmware version they have? Some have speculated that newer Sanyo Firmware works better for HDCP handshake. Mine is version 1.03....1.01 seems to be the one that has the most issues.

[maple leafs]

I'll check mine.

How do it do it?

[Tup]

How to check Z2 firmware....off the top of my head....press and hold down menu and select on the projector itself.....this should take you into the factory menu......the firmware version should be displayed.

[rlindo]

yeah that's how you check it.

it'll show up in the revision area

[BobAll]

I am not yet certain about whether I will be able to get a disk and do the
firmware upgrade myself or if I will have to take my DVD player to an LG service centre ( a list of which can be found at (ca.lgservice.com)

I'd rather not give out the phone number of the fellow I talked to at LG as I got his number in a rather roundabout fashion and if he is bombarded with phone calls I'm sure he won't be as cooperative with me.

I initially found out about the coming upgrade by calling the Toll Free number (see website above) at their customer support site to ask about the 7832 and DVI issues.

Hopefully I'll know a lot more next week.


Cheers

[maple leafs]

I eagerly await your findings Bob.

Tup, I press down both menu and select at the same time and nothing happens.

[Tup]

maple leafs.....hold them down for 30 sec or so.....on the proj...not the remote.

[maple leafs]

Got it finally. Says version 106. There is no decimal point as others have( like 1.02 or 1.04). I wonder if this is it?

If so then I guess I will have to hound LG.

[vmixer]

I don't suppose anyone's tried this with a DVI-VGA adapter into a display device that has VGA? I'm looking for a DVD player with DVI out that I can use with future diaplys that have DVI and also use today with my NEC LT240 projector (which only has DVD). I know some people are using the Momitsu V880 with these types of projectors, but I don't want all of the hassle/headaches that DVI players like the Momitsu and Bravo seem to have.

Cheers,
--Geoff

[Tup]

Maple leafs:

Your Sanyo must be very new as that's the newest firmware. I guess we'll have to hope for an upgrade from LG.

[maple leafs]

The sanyo arrived last Friday.

I just hope LG will rectify the problem before my return period is up. I wasn't impressed by the tech support guy I talked to as I felt he was trying to get rid of me by ending each sentence with that"OK". Something else that bothered when I called regarding the cable connection was he stated the unit was designed to work with their plasmas. Well if thats the case, why market it for universal usage.

[Tup]

ANy new info on this player? We never heard back from Dave, the original poster. Any more news on firmware updates? Why does this HDCP issue seem so difficult bet. brands?

[Combine]

I'm in central Canada, and bought this player yesterday (from a local B&M that's affiliated with Audiotronic) for my PT-50LC13, hoping to take advantage of the DVI connection (I currently have a Pioneer Elite DV-45a DVD player). I ended up taking it back today. The picture did look very nice, and the price was right, but the player had all sorts of other troubles.

- Every disc I tried on it with a DTS soundtrack would eventually go in and out of lipsync if I paused/ffwd/rewound.. and I experienced several dropouts, as well. This happened with both the coax and optical outs.

- When I set the player to 720p, anything red in color with a different color behind it was plagued with all sorts of strange artifacts, as though the red was 'bleeding' into the other colors. Made it seem like there was red fur on the edges. Setting it to 1080i seemed to get rid of it.. but on closer inspection, I think the multiple up/downconversion was just hiding it.

- Blacks looked great, but whites were incorrigable. The 'white crush' was so bad that (using this as the most familiar example) in the THX Optimode contrast pattern, where you should see 4 different shades of grey, all you see is one huge white box. Same thing on DVE/Avia test patterns. Also, there's no user controls on the DVD player to adjust white level/contrast.

So, in the end, there wasn't much point in keeping it. I'm almost convinced at this point that I got a bum unit, but it didn't instill me with much confidence about the player in general. Since I'm not a big fan of the store I purchased it from, I decided to just get my refund and hold out until someone makes a totally reliable DVI-based player.. everything so far seems to have its fair share of troubles.

[LEVESQUE]

Just bought one for the kids HT to play on the DVI connection of their Toshiba 34HF83. Will compare it with my Denon DVD 5900 on my main set, just for fun.

But hey. 199$ cdn. Could not pass that one up! Can't be worst then the Bravo D1 !!!

[maple leafs]

The m.s.r.p. in Canada is $300. They sold this new unit to you for $199?

[LEVESQUE]

Yes. But I buy alot of stuff there. Was a ''thank you'' price...

Does someone knows if they will post the firmware upgrade on their site, or send it on CD's by mail?

[LEVESQUE]

After doing a fast Avia calibration, I did listen to 2 films in 1080i on my Sony 40XBR800 and my Tosh 34HF83. I know it's not pure digital displays (DLP projector coming next month!), but it's interesting to see this player perform with analog sets.

So for those interested in this player, the DVI connection works pretty well with Sony and Toshiba implementation of the DVI-HDCP connection.

Really easy to use. Plug the DVI cable. Upconversion. Avia. Then play.

Image is surprinsigly smooth and crisp. Color saturation is good. No sign of excessive noise or edge enhancement. Good blacks. White are ok for me.

It's not my Denon 5900, but for 199$ it's definitely a good player. Hope people that are feed-up with the Bravo D1 and trying to do some "exorcist" with it will take note of the LG.

But it was just some first impressions. Nothing serious. More will come later after trying more films.

So far so good!:D

[p@55w0rd]

Is there a place to get this player in the U.S. yet??? I am one of the said people who were fed up with the D1! In fact I have very little faith in any current or announced product from Bravo due to their poor handling of the problems with the D1.

[rrempel]

Early in the thread folks were going to open up the box and see what chipset was used for scaling/deinterlacing. Anything come out of that?

Rod.

[maple leafs]

Aside from the main DVI problem, I have noticed a couple of other problems.

I can't power on and off with the remote.

Also when using the Sanyo with "full through" or "normal through" there is a bright white line running across the left side of the top edge of the picture (connection is through Y/,pb/cb,pr/cr). This does not occur when using the satellite.

Any idea what this might be?

[DavidY]

Rrempel,

Do you know of a store in the GVA that carries this LG player? In stock? Thanks.

Dave

[Robert Whitehead]

For US, the Zenith DVB318 seems to be the identical player, but has not yet been released. Doubt if you can buy the Canada version here.
The LG and Zenith use the Faroudja FLI2310.

[p@55w0rd]

Does any one know of any Canadian importers that might have this player???

[marc999]

BobAll,
Could you ask your contact at LG whether they are considering adding a 540p output in a future firmware release? It may seem reduntant, but the Hitachi/Toshiba's all scale to 1080i/540p and I want to bypass my TVs internal scaler. And I would much rather have a progressive image than an interlaced. Sine they are pretty much the same resolution (1080i is just two 540p fields quickly alternating) it probably wouldn't be too hard to do.

[odinala]

Zenith's website us.lgservice.com has the owners manual for the DVB318, it appears to be the same manual as the LG however badged as Zenith. I sent the following to Zenith: The owners manual title appears to be "DV7832NXS_Zenith". The manual describes this player as having DVI and a DVI accessory cable, however, on your Zenith USA website "zenith.com" the description of the DVB318 makes no mention of a DVI connection or DVI accessory cable. Would please like clarification, and also where I could purchase this player." Received this reply: "Thank you for inquiring of LG Electronics. Your e-mail has been received. The DVB 318 does have a DVI jack and a DVI cable." Now just need to find a dealer that has it.
odinala

[maple leafs]

Spoke to tech support at Lg today.

Said he heard they are working on a firmware upgrade. Speculated these things could take two to three weeks. As far as what it will it fix who knows and I suppose maybe even after this upgrade there will still be problems. My 30 day return period might run up by then so I am nearing returning it.

Strangely he said it won't work with dvi-i as it is a different signal sent. As I mentioned earlier I was under the impression the two differ only in missing analogue prongs on the dvi-d and therefore wouldn't be an issue when trying to use a digital path.

Says it should work with component. I don't know if I want to bother to go out and but a DVI/component cable (for Z2 digital path).

[Tup]

Maple Leafs....you are correct. A DVI-i is carries the same digital signal as a DVI-D plus has the capability to carry an analog signal (those extra pins you mentioned). MAny people have used a DVI-d cable with the Z2.

[BobAll]

Maple Leafs

I just got off the phone with the fellow at LG and he was nice
and apologetic but it looks like the firmware update that he thought was imminent now seems has a rather nebulous time frame ( I believe it is being worked on by LG in Korea)

Very disappointing , I guess I'll be returning the unit as my 30 day return
period is getting close.

I also had to return a Samsung HD-931 as the black crush problem rendered it unviewable with my SE2HD.

The hunt for a decent DVI enabled player that works properly with my
SE2HD (Z2) is now back on.

[majozx3]

this is really pathetic.
not 1 perfect DVI enabled DVD player.
(I'll take "near perfect' too.)

[LEVESQUE]

Strangely, my DV7832NCX performs very well. No audio drop-out (DTS and DD) after 7 complete films. Great blacks, good colors. I miss the adjustement of my 5900, but it gives me a surprisingely good DVI picture. Sharp, good details, good blacks, whites are pretty good after a simple AVIA calibration.

Easy to use. Good picture. Good price. For me it's a nice surprise, and a great second system DVI-player!

For me it's ''near perfect'' (for it's price...). It's not my Denon 5900, but for a good DVI picture, it's doing the job. No freezing, no skipping, after 7 films. Thumbs-up for me for now!

[samgt]

Originally posted by LEVESQUE
Strangely, my DV7832NCX performs very well. No audio drop-out (DTS and DD) after 7 complete films. Great blacks, good colors. I miss the adjustement of my 5900, but it gives me a surprisingely good DVI picture. Sharp, good details, good blacks, whites are pretty good after a simple AVIA calibration.

Easy to use. Good picture. Good price. For me it's a nice surprise, and a great second system DVI-player!

For me it's ''near perfect'' (for it's price...). It's not my Denon 5900, but for a good DVI picture, it's doing the job. No freezing, no skipping, after 7 films. Thumbs-up for me for now!

Levesque,

In terms of PQ what do you think are the differences between DV7832 and Denon 5900? I'd like to know why Denon is superior (although it should for the price you paid for it). I am not necessarily interested in features but only PQ.

It has been my experience that the "lowly" LG 7832 equalled or exceeded the PQ of my RP-91(to my eyes, it exceeded significantly), and mind you I'm only using the component output.

sam

[LEVESQUE]

The Denon 5900 and the LG both use the same Faroudja FLI2310. DVI is only a transport.

To my eyes, the difference are there. The 5900 gives me less noise in the background, better details in the blacks, sharper image. Almost all the picture tweaks on the 5900 are applied over DVI, in the digital domain. You can't tweak anything with the LG, so you have to use your display adjustment.

The 5900 is a ''package''. People buy it because it's a universal player doing everything well. But picture wise, comparing the LG to the 5900 is like comparing the Bravo D1 to the 5900. The difference is not ''night and day'', but it's there.

But for someone only interested in a good DVI picture w/o DVD-A and SACD compatibility, then the LG is doing a fine job.

I just find it sad that people are dismissing this player because LG is not a well-known company. Reading the horror stories about the bravo, I really think this LG player could be a good substitute (if your display is HDCP-compatible... for sure...). So far, I haven't had any lock-up or freezing on any DVD's. So far so good.

I hope it will stay like this, and that it will be reliable. We will see.

[Steve Ruddy]

DVI is only a transport.

So does that mean the only thing it does via DVI is the scaling and your display or some other device has to do the 3/2 pull down.

[samgt]

Levesque,

What display monitor are you using with your LG/Denon players? The reason I ask is because some people are experiencing incompatibility problems with their LG. I would like to be able to exploit its DVI connection in near future so I would like to make sure its DVI works. I am even thinking of taking the LG unit and test-connect it to a monitor I'm interested in. That would save me a lot of trouble I think.

samgt

[LEVESQUE]

I'm using it on my Sony 40XBR800. But I did try it on my Tosh 34HF83 with the same good results. So I think it's compatible with both Sony and Toshiba DVI implementation.

[Robert Whitehead]

I just got an email from LG stating that the DVB318 had been released in the US and was available. LG referred me to its on line dealers J&R, Amazon, and CircuitCity. None of them has the DVB318.

[jacksonian]

Re DVB318

Maybe it's just released and they don't have stock yet? I'll be interested to try this one out. I'll likely get it from CC because of the easy return policy if it doesn't work as planned. I'm debating whether to do the DVI thing right now or just wait for all of this to settle out. If it upconverts well over component, that might be good enough for me.

[Steve Ruddy]

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[duffin]

Originally posted by LEVESQUE
The Denon 5900 and the LG both use the same Faroudja FLI2310.

Is this better than the Faroudja chip in the Samsung HD-931? Anyone?

[duffin]

Originally posted by duffin
Is this better than the Faroudja chip in the Samsung HD-931? Anyone?

My question was answered in this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=359069&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

[majozx3]

Originally posted by LEVESQUE

I just find it sad that people are dismissing this player because LG is not a well-known company. Reading the horror stories about the bravo, I really think this LG player could be a good substitute (if your display is HDCP-compatible... for sure...). So far, I haven't had any lock-up or freezing on any DVD's. So far so good.

I hope it will stay like this, and that it will be reliable. We will see.

Levesque, I don't think anybody is dismissing this DVD player because of the LG name.
I was actually very excited when I heard teh news of its release. BUT:
I need a DVI player that has no loading , reading isssues and is compatible with my SANYO Z2. I don't want to re-seat cables, re-set resolutions, do voodoo dance every time I want to watch a DVD.
I want it to work. EVERY TIME.
Is that too much to ask?
All that said, I hope that we'll get it to work with a Z2 and I will be happy.
Zed

[LEVESQUE]

Originally posted by majozx3
I need a DVI player that has no loading , reading isssues and is compatible with my SANYO Z2.

You know what? That doesn't exist. There not one single player on the planet that is perfect. That doesn't exist, no matter the cost.

Sad but true. :(

Even DVD-player over 5K all have issues.

[jacksonian]

I'm not sure he meant perfect. I think operating normally without some big glitch isn't too much to ask for. My freebie Panasonic RP62 does that. Sure, nothing's perfect, but having to replace the loader or having it stick all the time isn't acceptable to me.

[samgt]

If we are still talking about LG DV7832, I can tell you that I have experienced neither loading nor reading issues. Been using it for about 3 weeks now and so far so good.

[LEVESQUE]

Replacing the loader was for Bravo D1 owners...

No reading nor loading problems with my DV7832 also.

[maple leafs]

I think it all depends what you are hooking it up to . In my case with the Z2 there is a hdcp handshake incompatibility. Although I was told they are working on it.

[dm71]

Anyone know if this player has discrete on/off codes?

Kev

[majozx3]

Originally posted by LEVESQUE
You know what? That doesn't exist. There not one single player on the planet that is perfect. That doesn't exist, no matter the cost.

Sad but true. :(

Even DVD-player over 5K all have issues.

NOt true!
My 5 year old Panasonic has not EVER had a problem loading or reading disks. Has not locked up on me ever.
My newer Pioneer 363 has not had any issues either.

Now all I want is to add DVI to hook it up to my Z2.

I don't think it's too much to ask for.
My car always starts , it also turns right when I want it to. I don't have to open te left door or start the wipers to get the car to turn. It does what it's supposed to.
I expect my electronics equipment to deliver what's promised.
I will NOT pay any money, not even 50 bucks if the player has a single issue.
I am not expecting this LG to have the absolute best picture, but I want to have it glitch free.
Zed

[jcg]

Did they give any estimate on when the fix would be made available for the Z2 hdcp handshake issue?

John

Originally posted by maple leafs
I think it all depends what you are hooking it up to . In my case with the Z2 there is a hdcp handshake incompatibility. Although I was told they are working on it.

[odinala]

Anyone know how to order this player for delivery to the U.S.?

[Robert Whitehead]

The US version, the Zenith DVB318, should be available by the end of this month at BestBuy, Ciruit City, Amazon, J&R.

[jaz50y]

Displaying my ignorance - I would like to hook the component outs to my Barco. I already run a custom VGA to component cable from my Dish 6000. Could run a component to VGA cable from the LG and put it in a switch and still get upconversion? The extra cable and switch cost might be better than using a transcoder.

[Kornbiz247]

I dont see anywhere that the Zenith DVB318 will have DVI. Is it only upconverting via component?

[Robert Whitehead]

The Zenith website is way out of date. At CES the DVB318 was shown w/DVI out, upscaling to 720p/1080i, and Faroudja deinterlacer/scaler (FLI2310) for $200 MSRP. If you read a page back in this thread it tells you how to get to the Owner's Manual for the DVB318. On non-copy protected DVDs it will scale on component; for copy protected you must use the DVI/HDCP output.

[Dave Biggs]

Holy crap! You go outta the country and my thread goes wild!

Sorry not to get back as early as I thought I would be able too. I guess I never really thought this thread would explode and I apologize. Seems some of the original questions have been answered. I have been awaiting a new projector and finishing up my HT so I wanted to finish my review when everything was back to normal in my house but I will continue now.

After using this player with my Sony LCD I can confirm the upconversion through component. I have also hooked it up to my older XBR400 and both the DVI connection and component have worked flawlessly for me. I also use DTS whenever available and have had no synch problems or audio dropouts at all. Guess I've been luckey.

Again, being no expert, my untrained eye sees a very good PQ overall on both the XBR and the LCD with both connections with 720P and 1080i being both a great improvement over 480p. I have watched at least 30 different titles, mostly through DVI on the LCD but will be mating the LG to a 1HD in less than 2 weeks in the new HT. My only option will be through component so we'll see how I fare. I promise I will report back sooner than last time.

BTW, the DVI cable seems between 8-10 feet in length but I will measure next time I have a chance.

Overall, I'm very impressed with the unit especially for the $$. I am loath to crack the case and check out the chipsets but if someone really needs to know what in there I might get brave and do it.

Any questions you have I will try to answer specifically so post them now. I will check this thread nightly and again, sorry for not looking in sooner.

Dave

[jvlgato]

I saw the DVB-318 on the Zenith web site without info on DVI input, and saw no availability on BB, CC or Amazon despite the web site saying it will sell there. I emailed them, and got the following reply:

-----------Reply to Customer Enquiry ------------
Great Company, Great People Dear John, Thank you for inquiring of LG Electronics. Your e-mail has been received. The DVB 318 should be available sometime within the next 2 months. It does have a DVI-D digit out jack for connection to a television with a DVI connector. Please feel free to contact us if you have any additional questions or concerns. Thank you again for contacting LG Electronics. "Think the Best and One Team Spirit" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Ian E-mail Administrator Customer Interactive Center LGEAI

[zoro]

I would recomend to all US customers to watch for zeenath version, at home, to try..

[jacksonian]

Say what?

[Robert Whitehead]

Various people have emailed LG about the availabiliy of the DVB318, and rec'd these answers: 1) it's available now; 2) it will be available the end of Feb; and, now, 3) it will be available in 2 months. LG should get its act together for what seems to be becoming the dreaded vaporware.

[smyth22]

Hey Dave: Have you established the DVI output is HDCP compliant and therefore any projector receiving the signal must also be HDCP compliant to benefit from the upconverting? Or does it work with any DVI imput? Your xbr might predate HDCP so I am just not sure.

Thanks
Peter

[Dave Biggs]

The XBR predates HDCP for sure and does not have a DVI input but the KF-42WE610 I am also using has a HDCP compliant DVI input and the player works just fine through that so I can only vouch that the player works with a HDCP compliant input. I will be feeding a Matinee 1HD an upconverted component signal in two days when I recieve the projector.

Stay tuned...

[smyth22]

OK thanks Dave. Good luck with the Matinee and a nice big picture. That should sort out how good the upconverted signal is through component.

Peter

[maple leafs]

Anyone have any luck with this LG unit using DVI with the Sanyo Z2?

[Apostate]

Would you say that this LG player is better than LiteOn 2001 (and its Norcent clone)? Is DCDi disengaged when the signal is upconverted to 1080i?

[jcg]

Has anyone actually verified that the new firmware allows 720p/1080i over component. There is a thread in HDTV regarding the LG 3510A which is an HDTV receiver / DVD combo, and the latest version of firmware on the 3510A doesn't allow the DVD player to output anything but 480p on copy protected DVDs. I would assume that LG made the same changes for the standalone DVD player, but it would be nice if someone can confirm.

John

Originally posted by Apostate
Would you say that this LG player is better than LiteOn 2001 (and its Norcent clone)? Is DCDi disengaged when the signal is upconverted to 1080i?

[smyth22]

Apostate: There was another thread running here before Christmas that showed the Liteon had some ringing problems; included some screen shots. Havent heard the LG has anything similar. Not sure about DCDI

[sonick182]

I finally found a local retailer who carries this... $300, expecting shipment in a few weeks...

Might give this one a try

[casi36]

Hello everyone,

I´m a new member to this forum. A few words about DVI connections:

It is important to know about DVD-players and PJ´s if the DVI signal is compliant to the DVI-Video standard with digital RGB-levels from 20 to 235 or to the DVI-PC standard with digital RGB-levels from 0 to 255 .

If you connect the two different DVI standards, then the 0 to 20 IRE(blacks) signals and the 80 to 100 IRE signals (whites) aren´t displayed correctly.

Regards
Casi

[jaz50y]

Received this from Zenith today:
"At this time, we still do not have a firm release date on the DVB318. It will upconvert to 1080i through the component/DVI-D outputs. We have an LG model LST-3510A which is currently available and it will also upconvert through the component/DVI-D outputs. The LST-3510A is a satellite receiver/DVD player. I have attached the specifications for your review. Thank you. Kim Email Administrator LG Electronics Alabama, Inc"

[JimSD]

Originally posted by jaz50y
Received this from Zenith today:
"At this time, we still do not have a firm release date on the DVB318. It will upconvert to 1080i through the component/DVI-D outputs. We have an LG model LST-3510A which is currently available and it will also upconvert through the component/DVI-D outputs. The LST-3510A is a satellite receiver/DVD player. I have attached the specifications for your review. Thank you. Kim Email Administrator LG Electronics Alabama, Inc"
For those that don't know, the LST-3510A includes not a satellite receiver but an HDTV receiver. The HDTV receiver is capable of receiving OTA signals or clear QAM signals from a cable provider. This all in addition to the DVD player that is built into it.

[jaz50y]

Also from the LST-3510A thread, it evidently does not upconvert DVD's through component since the last firmware upgrade.

[Steve Ruddy]

Here is some text from the Zenith DVB318 manual.

The selected resolution and output resolution may be different during playing back a DVD which copy protection signals are recorded. e.g., The output resolution is changed to 480p automatically even though the selected resolution is 1080i.

Does this apply to regular store bought DVD's?

Also

The component video output is not available when the DVD player is connected with TV using DVI-D and COMPONENT simultaneously.

This means for me I will have to unplug the DVI connection every time I want to use the component connection. I wish they installed an internal switch that could select the desired output.

[DenisT]

I just spent 3 hours with the LG 7832 DVI-I DVD player and a 2HD (Z2). No luck. As posted on another page of this thread, with DVI input (no other cables connected), I got snow, blue screen and a very occasional glimpse of a great looking picture. I WANT DVI INPUT. It is probably that #$%@# copy protection #$%&*^%. Any 14 year old can crack it, so what good is it??? It wont help prevent piracy but will prevent us from seeing Hi Vi video. $%^&!@ studio ^%%&*. :mad:

I tried everything except the service menu. I got my 2HD 2 weeks ago. The dealer shipped it to me the day after he got it from SE. The LG dealer just got them in as well. So they are both recently built and, one would hope, have the latest firmware.

Theoretically DVI-I should accept DVI-D. See these for an explanation of the flavours of DVI:

http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7666
http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI_monitor_cables.html#pics

On component video, the picture was OK, and upsampled to 720 p, but not to 1080i. It showed 1080i on the LG but the HD2 did not recognizeit. Not much point with 780 lines. There is no real noticable difference between 480p and 720 p on component. I think that my Denon is better. It is not worth getting just for 720 p component. You have to hit stop on the LG, then upsample, leave the 2HD on auto.

as stated above "It is important to know about DVD-players and PJ´s if the DVI signal is compliant to the DVI-Video standard with digital RGB-levels from 20 to 235 or to the DVI-PC standard with digital RGB-levels from 0 to 255 ."

The 2 HD (Z2) accepts DVI Digital Video, DVI Digital PC, SCART and DVI component (Analog)

I really wanted it to work. Anyway, thanks guys. I do not normally insist on a return policy, but after reading the posts in this thread, I insisted on having "if it does not work, I return it for a refund written on the sales slip" and I needed it this time. I don't need a third DVD player in my rack.

[Steve Ruddy]

Dennis,

The Zenith DVB318 manual say's the selected resolution and output resolution may be different during playing back a DVD which copy protection signals are recorded. e.g. The output resolution is changed to 480p automatically even though selected resolution is 1080i or 720p. It seems like the DVI input on the Z2 should work since it's copy protection compliant it should just have to scale the 480p back to 720p. I would call Sanyo and see what they say. I don't know why the DVB318 would do this. What good is having a High Def DVD player if it always defaults to 480p?

[Apostate]

So no 1080i via component? *sigh* At least it will have Faroudja DCDi, right? Oh well. Here I come, Norcent!

[sonick182]

Well, dont give up on the LG/Zenith just yet... they havent even been released yet... Many DVD players that upconvert to HD say they cant do it via component for copyprotected DVDs, but they've been able to ;)

im sure SOMEBODY will get this and report to us the findings, once they get the zenith...

I however, am in canada, so hopefully the new batch of LG's will still upconvert via component :)

[jaz50y]

Apparently the DVD Forum members have agreed on no upscaling thru component which is why these options are vanishing. They also have agreed on no DVI-component transcoding. So if you've got something that scales component output, hang on to it! I don't, and am casting around for what might be a good solution that won't be obsolete next year. I am wondering if this is going to apply to blu-ray and hd-dvd as well, which would really be a killer for CRT folks - it is one thing not to be be able to scale a 480i output but another not to be able to receive native 720p and 1080i.

[DenisT]

ijaz50y
"if you've got something that scales component output, hang on to it! "

I have the LG and in component 720 p the PQ on my 2HD (Z2) was not noticibly different from 480 p. Maybe its because the the Z2 is so good with 480 p. IMO, my Denon produced a better pic at 480p than the LG at component 720 P (Zenith in US? unit).

[plm]

I am totally new in this forum. I just want to share my experience on this LG-DV7832 player.

I had successfully connected this player to my Hitachi 57S500 (CRT RPTV) through both DVI and component without any problem. With component connection, I can switch between 480p, 720p and 1080i (stop the player when I pushed the switch button). Using DVI, only 720p and 1080i are allowed. I confirmed the upconversion by checking the TV status. Since I am not an expert, I can only compare with my old Panny rp62. In general, LG has better picture ( sharper, more details in dark, better color saturation) than RP62. DVI gives a slightly sharper picture than component, but not as color saturated.

May be just for my 57S500 only, I needed to decrease the contrast from 28 to 12 when I used DVI connection.

[DenisT]

I returned the LG and did a straight exchange for a Samsung HD 931 even though he had the Samsung selling at CAN$200 more. I get 480p, 720p and 1080i through DVI (cable supplied in box) . :D . Is this the player that had a black crush problem? I played with contrast and brightnes on my 2HD (Z2) and got good contrast in dark scenes from Spiderman and 5th Element SB that I know well . I think that the 2HD's variable iris may have something to do with this. At some time I'll do a full SMART calibration. An all digital path is great. The differences are subtle, but noticable; no small shadows around objects and people under some circumstances, sharper image, Overall I think it makes the PQ onthe 2HD look more "high end".

Addititon to post

After watching an entire movie with DVI 720p, I have to add that the difference between DVI and component is not subtle. It is an order of magnitude better :D :D :D

[jcg]

There are a few other threads in this forum on players that output 720p/1080i over component. One that's being discussed a lot is the new Norcent player so just search for that.

John

Originally posted by jaz50y
Apparently the DVD Forum members have agreed on no upscaling thru component which is why these options are vanishing. They also have agreed on no DVI-component transcoding. So if you've got something that scales component output, hang on to it! I don't, and am casting around for what might be a good solution that won't be obsolete next year. I am wondering if this is going to apply to blu-ray and hd-dvd as well, which would really be a killer for CRT folks - it is one thing not to be be able to scale a 480i output but another not to be able to receive native 720p and 1080i.

[maple leafs]

Dennis I have had this unit now for nearly one month. I must decide this week to return it.

You may of read some of my past posts here where my experience with this unit is exactly similar to yours.

The lousy no refund policy at the chain that sells them up here is unacceptable (2001audiovideo)

I can't decide if I too should just be content with the component signal to my Z2 or trade up to the samsung. This LG unit cost so little anyways I might just keep it and hope for a firmware fix. I am not sure what the status of that is, as the last time I asked LG about the firmware fix they told me "if it doesn't work get a refund."

Any new findings about the difference using Samsung and DVI helps.

[Spike Forehand]

Has anyone tried this player with a Sony HS20 projector through DVI? Any comments?

Also - everyone seems to be saying that this player will not upconvert to 720p or 1080i via component output. However, I am taking this to mean that it will upconvert via DVI. Am I right in that assumption?

Thanks -

[plm]

Would somebody help me? My 57S500 was showing 1080i when I connected this DVD player through both component and DVI. Since most of the people in this thread said they could not get the up-conversion to 720P and/or 1080i, am I doing something wrong or getting wrong status from my TV?

Thanks in advance.

[samgt]

Somewhere in this thread I have confirmed along with many others that this LG player (7832) upconverts to 480p, 720p and 1080i through component out (my personal experience) and DVI (others have confirmed - see posts by ricky ricardo and Levesque, etc. Others have reported imcompatibiity with their DVI monitors.

[DenisT]

I may be wrong on 1080i between the LG and the Z2 with component. After my experience with the LG and Samsung, I think that I may not have given the Z2 enough time to sync with 1080i component from the LG. I was too exasperated with the LG and did not give it much of a chance through component. I was only interested in DVI.

[plm]

Thanks for all your clarifications.

samgt,

Since I only have my panny rp62 to compare with, Any further comment on this player?

[maple leafs]

I can get 720p and 1080i over component. Just not over dvi. Not even 480p.

For those having a hard time with the component, make sure the unit is in stop mode.

[jacksonian]

maple leafs, can you comment on any difference in pq between the 480/720/1080? Significant? Hard to tell?

[maple leafs]

Actually, no.

As someone else has mentioned, maybe it is not so noticeable because the scaling at 480p is so good. The Z2 is acknowledging the 720p and 1080i signal, so it is not as if it is not working.

You would think with such a large screen you could see a big difference.

[plm]

I got "white crush" through DVI to my TV. No matter how I adjusted the contrast level, the right most 3 sections of the DVE greyscale bar are merged. With the same CUTS and DRIVES settings in the TV, my old panny rp62 shows all the white levels nicely.

Please comment.

[jacksonian]

maple leafs,
Thanks, you just saved me a lot of trouble. Actually I'm not that surprised. I think with our pjs and dvd players that we're reaching a point where any improvements are going to be very small in increment. I went from a Panny 300 to a 500 and could barely tell the difference with HD! It's going to take something phenomenal to make me upgrade now.

[sonick182]

I say even without the 1080i functioning, $300CAD for a faroudja-based progreesive scan player is pretty damn good...

What else is in this price range just for 480p w/ faroudja? Denon 910? Or the elusive buggy players from China...

[geawan]

Well I picked one up today and got them to write on my bill "full refund if returned tomorow" I really dodged the bullet on this one, apart from the usuall handshake problems this unit produces a 2 inch black bar straight down the right side of my screen when in 720p or 1080i over component.
I know that nothing is wrong with my projector since all other sources I have used (RP56, LVD 2001, Rogers HD & HTPC) framed perfectly.
I connected it to my Samsung 30" HD and allthough I did not see the black bar the picture was obviously shifted to the left (shows up clearly with the THX optimizer)
I decided to call a buddy of mine who picked 1 up yesterday and asked him to try the THX optimizer and sure enough he saw the same shift.

Anybody else notice this?

[JimSD]

Originally posted by geawan
Well I picked one up today and got them to write on my bill "full refund if returned tomorow" I really dodged the bullet on this one, apart from the usuall handshake problems this unit produces a 2 inch black bar straight down the right side of my screen when in 720p or 1080i over component.
I know that nothing is wrong with my projector since all other sources I have used (RP56, LVD 2001, Rogers HD & HTPC) framed perfectly.
I connected it to my Samsung 30" HD and allthough I did not see the black bar the picture was obviously shifted to the left (shows up clearly with the THX optimizer)
I decided to call a buddy of mine who picked 1 up yesterday and asked him to try the THX optimizer and sure enough he saw the same shift.

Anybody else notice this?
I have a different LG player (LST-3510a) and a Panasonic plasma and had the same issue at first. In my case at least, the fix was a change to the Panasonic's EEPROM. Several people with the same model plasma (TH-42PA20) had this using the DVI input with different sources. If I recall correctly it had something to do with syncing off the wrong edge of the 1080i signal. I wonder if yours is a similar issue?

Check out this post about DVI-A vs DVI-B mode (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=2668713#post2668713) .

[geawan]

I think this is definitely the LG problem as I noticed this on both the component and DVI inputs of my 2HD and the component inputs of the Samsung 30" WS(does not have DVI).
All other sources that I have used synced properly with the 2HD:

RP56 - Component - 480p
LVD 2001 - Component - 480p, 720p & 1080i
Rogers Cable HD box - Component - 1080i
HTPC - DVI

My buddy is using it on a Toshiba 34" WS

[Tup]

Has anyone tried a different DVI cable with this player with the Z2 (2HD). I'm wondering if the supplied cable may be to blame.

Still no luck with a Z2 anyone?