View Full Version : New Samsung DVD Players with DVD-A and SACD playback
MikeSRC
01-12-04, 09:46 PM
Here's the press release:
LAS VEGAS, NV - January 8, 2004 - Samsung Electronics America, Inc., an award-winning pioneer in the DVD
category, announces the advent of audio/videophile quality DVD entertainment with the introduction of its
next-generation of up-conversion-DVD players, the DVD-HD841 and the DVD-HD941. Delivering stunning, cinema-quality DVD playback, the players use a fully digital process to provide high-definition resolution such as 1080i, 768p, and 720p signals, making it ideal for consumers who want to get the most out of their HD displays and existing DVD titles. The DVD-HD841 and the DVD-HD941 are the successors to the hugely successful 2003 CES Innovations Award-winning DVD-HD931. Both new models will be on display at the Samsung booth #11027 in the Central Hall of the Las Vegas Convention Center at CES from January 8th - 11th, 2004.
These products have a host of advanced features such as DVI and HDMI outputs for uncompressed digital video, and Faroudja's DCDi™ video de-interlacing technology for even better video performance. Both new models offer increased audio capabilities as well, including Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD-Audio - making it not only the best-performing player, but also the most complete.
"The DVD-HD841 and DVD-HD941 are the perfect solution for anyone who has already invested in a HD Display or is considering making the investment and wants to get the most out of what DVD has to offer," commented Claude Frank, Director of Marketing, Digital Audio/Video Products, Samsung Electronics America. "Samsung has taken a strong position in the DVD category and we plan to maintain that level of commitment with the introduction of innovative new products that meet a broad array of consumer needs. These up-converting DVD Players offer unprecedented DVD video and audio enjoyment."
Currently, consumers who have upgraded their home theaters with HDTVs do not have an abundance of
high-definition programming available. The DVD-HD841 and the DVD-HD941 offer an alternate solution by
up-converting a DVD's native resolution (480p) to output high-definition formats (720p/1080i). The most impressive attribute of this up-converting process is that it takes place completely in the digital domain, which eliminates data loss and other artifacts associated with analog convergence. As a result, the process opens up a vast library of DVD material for consumers who want to watch digitally enhanced movies on their HDTV displays and enjoy the highest quality video and audio available on the DVD market.
The DVD-HD941 additionally features no-compromise video performance enhancements like Faroudja's Directional Correlational De-interlacing (DCDi™) technology, HDMI output, black level adjustment, increased resolution settings and discrete IR codes. Faroudja's DCDi™ eliminates the jagged edges that appear when standard interlaced video is viewed on progressive-scan displays for a smooth and natural picture.
The DVD-HD841 will be available in Q3 '04 at an MSRP of $249.99 and the DVD-HD941 will be available in Q3 '04 for an MSRP of $349.99.
Joe Murphy Jr
01-13-04, 12:29 AM
Here's a picture:
http://www.sonnet.com/arsea/ces/ces2004/day1/IMG_1636.JPG
Does anyone know if Samsung has corrected their faux pas with regards to the type of digital output that is produced (video vs PC) from the HD941?
The video standard is correct.
The x768 resolution is targeted toward plasma owners. However, is this 1366x768 or 1280x768?
There are more 1366x768 plasmas.
As an enthusiastic Samsung DVD-HD931 owner, I have been looking forward to their next release. Thanks for the picture!!!
What faux pas? The 931 DVI output works great; at least with my Samsung HLN467W DLP. [If this comment will open up a topic that has been discussed at length somewhere else, please disregard.]
THANKS FOR THE INFO !!!
frank3si
01-13-04, 10:29 AM
Not always keeping a close eye on the AV world, does Q3 for products shown at CES really mean that late in the year? I was about to buy the Denon DVD2200 (as in today) but this news - DVI/HDMI with SACD and DVD-audio at a considerably lower cost - has me jamming on the brakes for the moment.
Any speculation on when these units would really hit the market?
Frank
Originally posted by frank3si
Any speculation on when these units would really hit the market?
At CES, I was told June or July, which sounds like the same story others were told.
-phil
Bob Michael
01-13-04, 11:21 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe Murphy Jr
[B]Here's a picture:
http://www.sonnet.com/arsea/ces/ces2004/day1/IMG_1636.JPG
Nice looking unit! Hey, where's the bright blue spotlight ring? Looks like they've lost it (the player is obviously turned on). Good!
Omikron
01-13-04, 01:05 PM
With Samsung 941, looks like Panasonic S97 is going to have a stiff competition.
frank3si
01-13-04, 01:16 PM
Did anyone get a look at the back of these players? I take it there's 5.1 analog outputs for multi-channel SACD?
Frank
MikeSRC
01-13-04, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by frank3si
Did anyone get a look at the back of these players? I take it there's 5.1 analog outputs for multi-channel SACD?
Frank
Yes, which is also necessary for DVD-A as well.
MikeSRC
01-13-04, 01:23 PM
Here's the press release picture attached:
Joe Murphy Jr
01-13-04, 10:52 PM
>>>[If this comment will open up a topic that has been discussed at length somewhere else, please disregard.]<<<
Never pass up a chance to beat a dead horse.
:-)
The HD931 outputs the incorrect PC standard (black --> white) via its DVI port, instead of the correct video standard (below black --> above white).
WynsWrld98
01-14-04, 12:28 AM
I had read in the past that the Samsung HD931 wouldn't work with the Sony HS10 projector. I'm not sure if Samsung provided any firmware upgrades to fix that problem and/or if the HD941 will work properly with the Sony HS10. Anyone know?
Joe Murphy Jr
01-14-04, 12:41 AM
>>>Hey, where's the bright blue spotlight ring? Looks like they've lost it (the player is obviously turned on). Good!<<<
Maybe KMart threatened to sue them because of its likeness to their blue light special?
I'm tired of cutting wires and disabling light sources. There should be one switch on every audio and video component that completely turns off every light source in or on that component!
looks like I'll be waiting for this one along with S97.
BruceOmega
01-14-04, 09:38 AM
I thought I read that the new Panasonic S97 will have DVD-A, but not SACD.
Originally posted by Bob Michael
Nice looking unit! Hey, where's the bright blue spotlight ring? Looks like they've lost it (the player is obviously turned on). Good!
Actually, that unit isn't on. They had a mock-up display for the 941 and 2000, only the 841 had a working display. The display is a black LCD with green characters. IIR, there is a blue light around the power button when the unit is on, but it's not nearly as annoying as on the 931.
-phil
shugazer9
01-14-04, 05:29 PM
Wayne-
I demoed the 931 for a couple of weeks with my HS10. It worked fine except for the stretching of non-anamorphic discs. The PQ was very good-better than my RP-82 but not as good as my HTPC-DVI setup. The combination of 1366x768+ SACD&DVD-A + hopefully correct black levels sounds like a winner! (Especially when I was considering the $1000 Pioneer 59av)
Rick.
WynsWrld98
01-14-04, 06:39 PM
shugazer9: the HD931 doesn't allow zooming of non-anamorphic letterboxed DVDs? If so, I wonder if the HD941 does...
From what I've seen with my Bravo you just can't beat 1:1 pixel mapping over DVI(/HDMI) (which your HTPC does, my Bravo does and the HD941 should do).
Will these units output pure Digital DVD-A and SACD? Or will they downconvert to analog first? (Like Pioneer, I think it was?)
Will the 941 be worth an extra $100 over the 841? I'd be using it with a DVI connection to a Samsung DLP 567W, which also has Faroudja's DCDi™ (so maybe I wouldn't need it in the DVD player too?)?
WynsWrld98
01-14-04, 08:09 PM
It's my understanding one of the promises of HDMI is to allow output of DVD-A and SACD over HDMI but the problem is there are no a/v receivers that exist right now that I'm aware of with HDMI inputs so I'm guessing we're stuck with analog audio outputs for DVD-A and SACD to make this setup work today.
If someone knows otherwise please post...
Other players though, like the denon series, are converted digtitally, right? It was my understanding that some players (like Pioneer) take the SACD digital signal, and then downconvert to analog before output.
shugazer9
01-14-04, 09:42 PM
As far as I can recall, the 931 would automatically stretch letterboxed dvds when in 16:9 output mode. You can go into the menu to change the display to 4:3 and just use the PJ to zoom out the letterbox, but that is a pain and a feature I really hope is not present in the 941. It will be interesting to see comparisons between the 941 and the Bravo D3.
WynsWrld98
01-14-04, 11:14 PM
I hope the Samsung HD941 comes out on top because I'd really like to have SACD and DVD-Audio decoding all in one box.
Originally posted by ratboy
Will these units output pure Digital DVD-A and SACD? Or will they downconvert to analog first? (Like Pioneer, I think it was?)
The 841 does not have a hi bandwidth digital output, so it cannot output DVDA or SACD in their native digital format. It may downsample these to 24/96 for output via the SPDIF, but I doubt it.
The 941 may put two channel DVDA and SACD out the HDMI port, I'm not sure. It won't support multichannel hi bandwidth digital audio. Again, it may do the 24/96 down sampling.
Both of these players with output the DVDA and SACD signals out the analog outputs and they both use 24/192 D/A. Outputing these signals in analog is not downconverting, it is simply converting from digital to analog. All of the original info is still in there. If you have a good, noise free audio system you would be able to tell no difference between the analog from the DVD player and the analog from a preamp or reciever. Still, unless you have speakers and amps which have been purchased in the last couple of years and at significant cost, the odds are that your system can't resolve the full bandwidth of DVDA or SACD.
-phil
Unless we have recievers, HDMI with multi channel is mute?
unfortunately, TVS dont have DD/DTS built in either..
I think, UPGRADABILITY, should be name of the game for companies? never saw pioneer upgrading!! marantz r pretty kool abt it..
denon..i dont trust
OK, this is my question about downconversion. This is from the Denon 2900 profile page:
Built-in Dolby Digital, dts, DVD-Audio and discrete SACD decoders with 5.1 analog outputs • DENON designed, Burr-Brown 24-bit, 192-kHz DSD-1790 Audio DACs that decode PCM and DSD signals discretely with no down-conversion of DSD
It was my understanding that some players (like pioneer) do not do what is stated above. What does this mean, and what will the Samsungs do? It seemed to me that when the pioneer universal players came out, everyone was concerned about this.
Joe Murphy Jr
01-15-04, 07:33 PM
Usually, what it means is that if there is no Bass Management, there will be no conversion of DSD to PCM. If you need Bass Management, this is handled by converting the DSD signal to PCM.
Joe -
The same profile says it has "complete bass management " as well.
I thought I saw several audiophiles say that the conversion to pcm compromises the SACD sound.
Originally posted by ratboy
The same profile says it has "complete bass management " as well.
I thought I saw several audiophiles say that the conversion to pcm compromises the SACD sound.
Would these also be audiophiles who believe that speaker cables should be supported by ceramic blocks at least 3" off of the carpet to reduce coupling with the iron fragments in the carpet fibers?
If you haven't heard it for yourself, then don't believe an audiophile. They tend to make decisions based on faulty reasoning and little research.
Like I said before, the odds are that your speakers and amplifier can't fully resolve either the DSD or DVD-A signal.
-phil
Joe Murphy Jr
01-15-04, 11:12 PM
ratboy
They may be using Bass Management for DSD without converting to PCM. That's why I said Usually. There's a DVD2900 thread from way back on this forum. Do a search and you should find the answer.
Thanks for the info guys.
So,, what makes a DVD-A/ SACD player better than another? DAC'S? What makes a difference?
Joe Murphy Jr
01-16-04, 01:32 AM
Quality.
Joe Murphy Jr
01-16-04, 09:50 PM
Quality of: parts, design, execution, understanding, etc.
Quality is a whole package deal. There are compromises present before a product is even on the drawing board. The least amount of compromise in one or all of the above, the better.
However, don't interpret that as high $ equals the best product. There are some high $ products that disappoint. The converse is also true, though not as often.
Here are some examples:
video
Panasonic RP82 (low $) beats the Pioneer DV-47Ai (high $)
audio
Krell KPS-20i (high $) beats the Radio Shack RP8070 (low $)
Originally posted by WynsWrld98
It's my understanding one of the promises of HDMI is to allow output of DVD-A and SACD over HDMI but the problem is there are no a/v receivers that exist right now that I'm aware of with HDMI inputs so I'm guessing we're stuck with analog audio outputs for DVD-A and SACD to make this setup work today.
If someone knows otherwise please post...
Onkyo has announced an Integra receiver with HDMI modules to be available in April for as little as $4,500.
See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=347898
Here is some information I received direct from the product group at Samsung corporate concerning these new players.
Each player will only have one digital output; the HD941 have HDMI and the HD841 will have DVI.
The HD-941 will use Faroujda DCDi processing for digital AND analog outputs.
I asked what chips are doing the de-interlacing and scaling, but they aren't ready to say. We'll have to peel the top off to see.
It is work in progress whether these new units will output pure Digital DVD-A and SACD and do 24/96 down sampling.
There may be a chance we will see WMV9 decoding. It is work in progress.
The first batch of players will be available from similar sales channels as last year in the June/July time frame.
frank3si
02-12-04, 01:36 PM
Thanks for the interesting update - these players sound great. I've definitely cancelled my purchase plans in favor of waiting for the 941.
>>>The first batch of players will be available from similar sales channels as last year in the June/July time frame
What does "similar sales cahnnels" refer to?
Frank
Originally posted by frank3si
What does "similar sales cahnnels" refer to?
The HD-931 was available first from Magnolia Hi-Fi on the West Coast. I can't recall the rest.
It was also carried by Tweeter and Best Buy.
Originally posted by frank3si
What does "similar sales cahnnels" refer to?
I purchased an HD931 from surfremotecontrol.com on May 12. That was one of the first online dealers to carry it.
-phil
Iceblade
02-13-04, 11:30 AM
Hey Phil,
How long did they give you to return that sucker and did they give you any grief when you did? Any problem getting your dinero back?
Later,
Jeff (that upstairs dude)
Originally posted by PhilB
I purchased an HD931 from surfremotecontrol.com on May 12. That was one of the first online dealers to carry it.
-phil
Originally posted by Iceblade
How long did they give you to return that sucker and did they give you any grief when you did? Any problem getting your dinero back?
I don't recall. It was either 14 days or 30 days. No problem getting a refund. They were very easy to deal with. It went so well that I ordered a Kameleon remote from them a couple of months later. They were also one of the first places to carry that remote and had a very good price.
-phil
PhilB,
You've given us some great inside info, and I thank you for that. However, I'm going to have to question some of the comments you've made. What has happened to speaker and amplifier design in the last couple of years that's drastically different? Isn't it true that as long as the eq. can faithfully resolve the 20-20K spectrum of sound without significant distortion, these high resolution sources will come through in all their glory? You are dismissing a multitude of great audio gear when you limit this to the last couple of years. The 20-20K(+/- 3db) standard has been around for a long time. Now, I know it's true that not all surround receivers have 5.1 analog inputs like the ones recently, but adding extra amps takes care of that. Please explain, we'd love to know exactly what you mean.
I must also object to the slandering of "audiophiles". Please don't stereotype people in this way. I consider myself to be an audiophile. I'm proud that I seek to obtain the highest level of musical reproduction in my home, and can say that I have about 10K wrapped up in my speakers, cables, and power amps alone. However, I've heard many systems that cost much less that may not do all of what mine can do, but certainly give a satisfying, accurate listening experience. I, and many others like me, do in fact devote time to research and "field tests" of quality components. Some people are more extreme than others, but it's not really fair to label all audiophiles in such a negative light.
Originally posted by jedi35
Isn't it true that as long as the eq. can faithfully resolve the 20-20K spectrum of sound without significant distortion, these high resolution sources will come through in all their glory?
That's exactly the point. 20-20K is not adequate for SACD or DVD-A. These formats use much higher sampling rates than CD and theoretically provide a much larger frequency response (of course being able to reproduce that all depends on your material, recording equipment and playback equipment) than what human hearing can handle. The theory goes that the human auditory system can use information outside of the audible range to get more pleasure from the exprience. If you're using an amp that has a fast roll-off above 20K, or speakers with similar performance then you are missing a large piece of the DVD-A and SACD puzzle. To be fair, there are other aspectes of DVD-A and SACD that you could enjoy on an "old" system.
Originally posted by jedi35
I must also object to the slandering of "audiophiles". Please don't stereotype people in this way. I consider myself to be an audiophile. I'm proud that I seek to obtain the highest level of musical reproduction in my home, and can say that I have about 10K wrapped up in my speakers, cables, and power amps alone.
Don't confuse spending money on snake-oil with spending money on good equipment. Many of my friends consider me an audiophile, although I do object to that term as it has too much of a snob overtone. I'm afraid that in the equipment pissing match you'd have me beat. I only have $8K tied up in my pre-amp, amps, speakers and cables. It looks like you're the better audiophile.
My point of making the previous statements was that you shouldn't buy into something just because someone said to, or because it looks cool, or because you get some sort of ego lift by spending money on something stupid. You should see the way some people are freaking out in some other threads about how the Silicon Image HDMI transmitter has a bug passing blacker than black and because of that people are balking on buying HD-TIVO. People are actually making a purchasing decision because something that they don't even know if they need isn't working right. Broadcasts don't even transmit blacker than black, so not having that funciton on an HD-TIVO is completely insignificant.
There's been similar threads on ESPN's use of Circle Surround instead of DD 5.1 to transmit audio on their HD channel. People were freaking out becuase they percieved that Circle Surround was inferior without knowing anything about it other than that it didn't have discreet surround encoding. Those are probably the same people who believe that 1080i HD is better than 720P just becuase 1080 is bigger than 720. What they don't know is that several of the TV studios use Circle Surround to switch audio in the mixing rooms and then convert it to DD 5.1 just before it is transmitted OTA. In other words, the DD 5.1 will be no better than the Circle Surround (but actually may be worse).
-phil
Phil,
Not to be wise guy, but how do we benefit from, say speakers or amps that can reproduce sound we can not hear? I know I can not even hear the upper range of the standard now (and it gets worse as I get older -- too much loud music, or distortion in some cases, long ago). Could explain what you mean by "using information outside of the audible range" to gain more pleasure from the experience? What information?
Thanks,
Tim
Let's talk about Samsung players in this thread please.
Let's talk about Samsung players in this thread please.
Exactly. I have started my HD-941 savings fund. This will be the first link in my HT chain.
Jerry
I understand what you other guys are saying, and I apologize. It's not my intention to hijack your thread. However, we are discussing the abilities of the Samsung. It may help someone who is considering purchase to know know more about its high resolution capabilities, and how that relates to audio equipment one has, and what one might need to buy in order to fully realize it's potential. The thread title mentions dvd-a and sacd. Just trying to help share some information, and I will leave this alone if that's what you want.
jimmykce
04-12-04, 09:33 AM
Will the Sammy 843 and 941 be able to do 720p/1080i over component cables, since I am already using my DVI connect on my Sammy DLP.
Originally posted by jimmykce
Will the Sammy 843 and 941 be able to do 720p/1080i over component cables, since I am already using my DVI connect on my Sammy DLP.
It seems unlikely, as both models are updates to the HD-931 and that model does not output those resolutions through component. Not sure what the 831 offers over the 931, but I think the difference between the 931 and 941 is DVD-A/SACD compatability and, I think, HDMI instead of DVI.
jimmykce
04-12-04, 10:41 AM
bferr1,
You are correct in your statement above. I just wasn't sure about doing 720p/1080i over components like the V880.
maxvengeance111
04-21-04, 11:39 AM
Well it seems that if you want the new Samsung players you need to go to the Middle East to get them. They were released there the other day....check out this link....http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/38044.html.
Not to sound too patriotic, and I understand Japan getting stuff even years before us, but the Middle East? With whats going on right now, you would think we would get it before them in the US. Maybe its a test market thing, or maybe its a rich oil baron thing...I just didnt think they hard electricity in those caves...Just kidding.
This may be a newbie question so bare with me...
I looked at the link that you provided maxvengeance111. I noticed the model numbers are different, and I'm guessing its because they are not the US version. Do these players play a different region other than region 1 dvd's? I know that the US dvd's play region 1. Thanks.
htwaits
04-21-04, 01:26 PM
Yes.
As was mentioned earlier, I have the 61HLN617W. I just ordered the 841 with DVI. Will I see a difference in P.Q. between the 841/941?, since my TV already as the Faroudja chipset and the DNIE?
flyguy42
05-16-04, 05:16 AM
Oooh. Is the 841 about to come out!? Thats good... my DVD player finally died. It just blacks out randomly. Oh well. I want a new one anyways. Anybody have any release dates for the 841 by the way? What color is it? Black? Silver?
Was in a Magnolia Hi-Fi that is inside, yes, inside a Best Buy in SF. They show 6/10 arrival of the 841.
I guess 841 will preceed 941
Dan Hitchman
05-16-04, 12:25 PM
Will these players have full x/y scaling so that it can be used in a 2.35:1, constant height setup?
It looks like the new Zenith is the only one so far that I know of that will do this.
Dan
WynsWrld98
05-16-04, 02:57 PM
Dan: what's the model # of the Zenith that does what you describe or can you post a link to info? Sounds intriguing...
Originally posted by bbryce
As was mentioned earlier, I have the 61HLN617W. I just ordered the 841 with DVI. Will I see a difference in P.Q. between the 841/941?, since my TV already as the Faroudja chipset and the DNIE?
The Faroudja chip in the DVD player is used for the upscaling process, so there might be a PQ difference between the 841 and 941 independent of what your TV has (I do not believe the Faroudja chip in the Samsung DLP is active through the DVI input anyway). Obviously impossible to know how much of a difference there will be until they are released and somebody directly compares them.
Dan Hitchman
05-17-04, 04:01 AM
Wayne,
It's the Zenith DVB318.
Dan
Hmmm, the question is should I buy a Bravo D2 or wait a few more weeks and try to get a Sammy 841?
Or a Momitsu. That is what I am getting versus a D2 or 841.
Originally posted by duffin
Or a Momitsu. That is what I am getting versus a D2 or 841.
Which model Momitsu, where, and why? I'm curious.
Beaker1024
05-17-04, 04:32 PM
Momitsu currently has a V880 model and is going to be releasing (~ end June [already delayed from being next week]) their second model, V880N. It's a networked, both WiFi via PCMIA card and RJ-45 jack for streaming musci/video from a (currently only windows server is developed) PC. Check it all out at: www.momitsu.com
www.extremephono.com sells them with great reviews as a online retailer from those how bought the V880 already.
They are DVI upscaling players with Custom resolutions, region free and macrovision off "secret" menus, no Hi-Res audio on either of them though. Plays back DivX (*.avi files, etc...) among others.
I'm currently waiting on the V880N (MSRP at ~$399) but the V880 is quite a bit lower than that... I forget the price.... see links posted above.
BTW just search for Momitsu in this DVD players forum and you will find enough reading for months. Most issues are solved with new firmware. Ye free firmware upgrades that have been out ever couple months. I like that part rather than shipping the player back for something you could download and flash to fix.
Sorry for the rant. Enjoy the info.
WynsWrld98
05-17-04, 04:45 PM
Does anyone know if the Sammy 841's 768p output is compatible with the timings of the Sony HS10/HS20 projectors?
flyguy42
05-17-04, 06:56 PM
Whoh... so if I have a Sammy DLP, the Sammy 941 would be the better player for me to buy? I was planning on getting the 841, as I didnt think I needed the better upscale...
maxvengeance111
05-17-04, 06:59 PM
I think both the 841 and the 941 both have DCDi chips in them, at least the picture of the 841 says it does.
aghusker
05-17-04, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by maxvengeance111
I think both the 841 and the 941 both have DCDi chips in them, at least the picture of the 841 says it does.
Picture says yes, but press release says no; DCDi is only in 941.
Who knows which is accurate?
aghusker
05-17-04, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by zoro
EMAIL, onecall?
I emailed amazon & samsung.
Amazon said we only know what samsung tells us.
Samsung said new models are coming & wait until they come out.
No progress on the email end.
We won't know until someone opens up an 841 box & sees DCDi logo.
In SF, there is a Best Buy with a Magnolia Hi-Fi inside the store. Best Buy now owns Magnolia.
The Magnolia manager there looked up these models and the system shows June 10th for the 841 in stock. He was looking on the Best Buy system.
b curry
05-18-04, 08:21 PM
OneCall catalog came in the mail today... HD841, Find-it-Fast number #23168 @ $199.95. The HD941 was not listed.
Evil-Rage
05-19-04, 12:49 AM
Okay, so if I decide to get one of the new Samsung DLPs that are to be released next month (HLP5063 is what I'm shooting for) I should also wait for their new DVD players? Hopefully they'll be better than the HD-931, which is what I have at the moment, but not able to test the DVI out until I buy the TV... but from reading the forums, tons more problems than is on average. When buying the Samsung DLP, would anyone recommend either the 841 or the 941 for any reason? thanks
Dan Hitchman
05-19-04, 02:07 AM
You'd get better results after tweaking from a HTPC with software scalers, unless you want high rez. audio capabilities.
Dan
BigandLoud1234
05-19-04, 12:13 PM
Whoh... so if I have a Sammy DLP, the Sammy 941 would be the better player for me to buy? I was planning on getting the 841, as I didnt think I needed the better upscale...
The DCDi/deinterlacer on the Sammy is not active on DVI Input. So, you are better served buying the DVD player with better chip. And until 841 is actually released, nobody has of yet given a firm answer as to weather it has DCDi or not.
maxvengeance111
05-19-04, 12:42 PM
Does the press release actually say it doesnt have it or it just doesnt mention it having it?
BigandLoud1234
05-19-04, 01:39 PM
I believe this was posted earlier in this thread, or one of the others......but here is the Samsung press release.
http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/news/b2c_press_detail.jsp?eUser=&oid=68387 (http://http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/news/b2c_press_detail.jsp?eUser=&oid=68387)
Does the Samsung upscale copy protected DVDs? (I presume that is Macrovision). I read, for example, that the Bravo doesn't.
mallu2u
05-19-04, 02:19 PM
Not a direct answer to ur Q but I believe Momitsu V880 does allow that.
WynsWrld98
05-19-04, 02:24 PM
I have a Bravo D1 and it upscales ANYTHING I throw at it to the 1366 x 768 custom resolution I have defined. I am curious about the Sammy 841/941 in this regard though.
have a Bravo D1 and it upscales ANYTHING I throw at it to the 1366 x 768 custom resolution I have defined. I am curious about the Sammy 841/941 in this regard though.
Just do a little reading, and you'll find two opposite answers to everything:) I'll take your comments on the Bravo...you are using it. Hmmm...I wonder if it wasthe D2 I was reading about. But, I would expect it to do it if the D1 does.
Still curious about the Samsung.
Robert Whitehead
05-19-04, 04:40 PM
Yes, both the Samsung 841 and 941 upscale copy protected DVDs over DVI. The 941 definitely uses Faroudja, and it increasingly appears that the 841 uses Faroudja also.
There was an earlier post stating the Samsung 931 did not use Faroudja on DVI out. This is incorrect. The 931 does use Faroudja on the DVI out, but does NOT use Faroudja on component out.
Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
Yes, both the Samsung 841 and 941 upscale copy protected DVDs over DVI. The 941 definitely uses Faroudja, and it increasingly appears that the 841 uses Faroudja also.
There was an earlier post stating the Samsung 941 did not use Faroudja on DVI out. This is incorrect. The 941 does use Faroudja on the DVI out, but does NOT use Faroudja on component out.
Thnx Robert! You seem so CONFIDENT in your statement!! Kool..
Have u seen the units? or any resource?
Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
There was an earlier post stating the Samsung 941 did not use Faroudja on DVI out. This is incorrect. The 941 does use Faroudja on the DVI out, but does NOT use Faroudja on component out.
Robert,
Are you sure about this? I know this is true of the HD-931, but I'm surprised if Samsung carries this"feature" on to the new units.
-phil
BigandLoud1234
05-19-04, 06:13 PM
There was an earlier post stating the Samsung 941 did not use Faroudja on DVI out. This is incorrect. The 941 does use Faroudja on the DVI out, but does NOT use Faroudja on component out
If this is the post you were referring to....let me clarify what I meant:
The DCDi/deinterlacer on the Sammy is not active on DVI Input. So, you are better served buying the DVD player with better chip
I was referring to the Samsung DLP DVI input as that TV has a Faroudja DCDi built into it, and a comment made by Flyguy42 stating he would get the 841 since his DLP already has DCDi. This would not benefit him as DCDi is not active on the DLP DVI input. So, if it turns out only the 941 has Faroudja, then he would be better off getting 941 and not 841.
statman
05-19-04, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by BigandLoud1234
I was referring to the Samsung DLP DVI input as that TV has a Faroudja DCDi built into it, and a comment made by Flyguy42 stating he would get the 841 since his DLP already has DCDi. This would not benefit him as DCDi is not active on the DLP DVI input. So, if it turns out only the 941 has Faroudja, then he would be better off getting 941 and not 841. [/B]
No offense, but are you sure this is true? I'm under the impression that the Sammy DLPs have a native resolution of 720p. If it's not using DCDi to upconvert over DVI, then what is it doing? Thanks in advance to anyone who can clarify/explain.
statman
05-19-04, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
There was an earlier post stating the Samsung 941 did not use Faroudja on DVI out. This is incorrect. The 941 does use Faroudja on the DVI out, but does NOT use Faroudja on component out.
I thought the 941 just had HDMI, and not DVI. Replace DVI w/ HDMI above and it's true.
Robert Whitehead
05-19-04, 07:26 PM
Sorry! I mean to post that the Samsung 931, not 941, used Faroudja on DVI, but not component. I edited the post.
As far as I know, it is unknown whether Faroudja will work on only the DVI/HDMI outputs only in the 841/941, or also component.
Statman- The DVD player uses Faroudja to upconvert to 480p, 720p, or 1080i. If you chose 720p upconverting on the player, then, since the native resolution of the display is 720p, the 720p signal will bypass Faroudja in the display, and directly feed the 720p signal to the projector (so called Native or Pixel to Pixel Mapping).
If you set the player to 480p, or 1080i, the Faroudja chip in the player will upconvert to those resolutions, and, then the Faroudja in the display will convert those signals to 720p for display.
In short, if you feed the display unit a 720p source (upconverted 720p DVD, or 720p HDTV), then you will bypass the Faroudja in the projector.
If you feed the display unit any other resolution (480i/p, 1080 i/p), the Faroudja chip will scale that signal to 720p for display.
And, as described above, you could set the player resolution so you end up using both the Faroudja chip in the player (480i to 480p or 1080i), and the display (480p or 1080i to 720p).
Robert Whitehead
05-19-04, 07:31 PM
zoro-
The Samsung 2004 CES Press Release on the two players states it will upconvert all DVDs (it has HDCP copy protection). Various CES reports reported the same. A Samsung CSR has confirmed this (and was also absolutely positive that the 841 uses Faroudja). And see the other thread in this Forum on the Samsungs for more info.
BigandLoud1234
05-19-04, 10:24 PM
Robert-
And, as described above, you could set the player resolution so you end up using both the Faroudja chip in the player (480i to 480p or 1080i), and the display (480p or 1080i to 720p).
Would there be any benefit to going this route? I thought I read somewhere that having a feed go through Faroujda twice could actually introduce more noise, no?
I own a Sammy DLP and pre-ordered the 941(I need discrete IR Codes)..I planned on setting the 941 to 720p to take advantage of the DLP native resolution and 1:1 pixel mapping, assume this is still the best way for me?
flyguy42
05-20-04, 02:43 AM
Man am I ever confused. I had a Sammy rep tell me that the main diffrence between the two players was the Faroudja chip. But that was some time ago, and I dont know how much he really knew... (probably what he read here!) But lets say they both have it... what would the diffrence be between the two players?
Also, that was a good point.. if my Sammy DLP is not using Faroudja on DVI, what is handling the scaling over DVI?
Also: It would appear my Best Buy is going to recieve the 841 within the next week or so. I think I remember a start date of the 25th, and they were on order from my warehouse.
Originally posted by flyguy42
Man am I ever confused. I had a Sammy rep tell me that the main diffrence between the two players was the Faroudja chip. But that was some time ago, and I dont know how much he really knew... (probably what he read here!) But lets say they both have it... what would the diffrence be between the two players?
Also, that was a good point.. if my Sammy DLP is not using Faroudja on DVI, what is handling the scaling over DVI?
The Faroudja in the DVD player is handling the scaling over DVI/HDMI for 720 or 1080 outout. I preordered the 941 at Amazon, but if the 841 has the Faroudja chip, I don't see that the 941 is really worth $100 more, unless there are better DACs for audio or a better/newer Faroudja chip (and I haven't read anything to support those possibilities).
statman
05-20-04, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by flyguy42
Also, that was a good point.. if my Sammy DLP is not using Faroudja on DVI, what is handling the scaling over DVI?
Maybe we'll find a better answer to this question in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3822112). I'm fairly confident that it would be using Faroudja to upscale inside the TV if you were to pass it 480p from the DVD player via DVI, but that's just what my gut is telling me (I'm no expert).
The Faroudja in the DLP is active for component input, but NOT for DVI input.
BillP,
I'm guessing that the extra $100 for the 941 comes from slightly better build quality/components, as well as SACD/DVD-A capability. Yes?
BigandLoud1234
05-20-04, 03:06 PM
Both 841and 941 will play DVD-A and SACD....I would assume the build quality would be similiar.....and 941 may have better components, such as DAC's like BillP mentioned.
Right now the only differences we are relatively confident about are the 941 has the following which the 841 does not:HDMI in lieu of DVI out, Black level adjustment, discrete IR codes, and one additional resolution with 1366 x 768.
We can rehash this a dozen times of weather one is worth $100 more or not, but IMO, its is up to the individual consumer. And not to mention, until some of us take delivery, nothing is definate.
Either way, this guy is increasingly losing patience waiting for delivery of the 941(Discrete IR codes was kicker for me over 841).....and the good price on Amazon:)
mallu2u
05-20-04, 03:38 PM
What does 'Discrete IR codes' mean? Also, ur right. I am going to hold off until 941 comes out and somebody reviews it and compares it with earlier Samsung players and also with Momitsu.
Originally posted by mallu2u
What does 'Discrete IR codes' mean? Also, ur right. I am going to hold off until 941 comes out and somebody reviews it and compares it with earlier Samsung players and also with Momitsu.
They are for programming a universal remote to do several commands with the touch of one button (for example, to turn on and choose a specific input and setting).
Robert Whitehead
05-20-04, 09:37 PM
staman- No. There would be no advantage to using both Faroudja chips at the same time. The best way to go is to set the player to 720p so that it bypasses the chip in the display.
The Faroudja chip DOES work on the DVI input in the Samsung DLP display. If it didn't, the DVI input could only accept and display a 720p signal. The Faroudja chip works on the DVI input in the display (as well as component in) so that a 480p or 1080i DVI signal can be scaled in the projector to 720p.
htwaits
05-20-04, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
The Faroudja chip DOES work on the DVI input in the Samsung DLP display. If it didn't, the DVI input could only accept and display a 720p signal. The Faroudja chip works on the DVI input in the display (as well as component in) so that a 480p or 1080i DVI signal can be scaled in the projector to 720p.
I'm not disagreeing with you but my impression (which I have little confidence in) is that the Faroudja chip in the Samsung DLP sets is used for de-interlacing but not for scaling. Someday I hope to understand. :rolleyes:
statman
05-20-04, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
staman- No. There would be no advantage to using both Faroudja chips at the same time. The best way to go is to set the player to 720p so that it bypasses the chip in the display.
I think that makes sense. Assuming the Faroudja in the TV is basically the same as the one in the DVD player, then I could see why in theory there really shouldn't be any improvement from allowing the TV to do the upsampling portion of it. Might as well stick to using the one Faroudja chip in the DVD player for both de-interlacing and upsampling rather than making both do work.
Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
The Faroudja chip DOES work on the DVI input in the Samsung DLP display. If it didn't, the DVI input could only accept and display a 720p signal. The Faroudja chip works on the DVI input in the display (as well as component in) so that a 480p or 1080i DVI signal can be scaled in the projector to 720p.
This also makes sense. Those who are claiming that the Sammy DLP Faroudja chip doesn't work over DVI need to provide some evidence of their claims if they really want to convince me otherwise.
WynsWrld98
05-20-04, 10:52 PM
Regarding "Those who are claiming that the Sammy DLP Faroudja chip doesn't work over DVI need to provide some evidence of their claims if they really want to convince me otherwise.", if the Sammy is being fed anything other than its native pixel array then SOMETHING is doing the scaling which is obviously Faroudja since it's the only scaler the Sammy has...
mallu2u
05-20-04, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by BillP
They are for programming a universal remote to do several commands with the touch of one button (for example, to turn on and choose a specific input and setting).
thanks BillP. Now I understand and can relate to the wait associated.
Oops, sorry guys. I should make sure I carefully read the press releases before posting. It might be interesting for someone who winds up with an 841 to get with somewone with a 941, and compare audio/video quality on the same system.
Originally posted by WynsWrld98
Regarding "Those who are claiming that the Sammy DLP Faroudja chip doesn't work over DVI need to provide some evidence of their claims if they really want to convince me otherwise.", if the Sammy is being fed anything other than its native pixel array then SOMETHING is doing the scaling which is obviously Faroudja since it's the only scaler the Sammy has...
WynsWrld98,
This depends. The original Sammy DLP sets only used the Faroudja for it's DCDi capabilies. Scaliing is done by a Genesis chip. This is true of the digital boards at least through the board upgrade that Samsung did for forum members a year or so ago. I haven't seen the inards of the newer sets, so I can't comment on the scaling engine in those.
So, using the method described before, if the 941 output is set to 480P, then the Farodja 2310 in the 941 would do the deinterlacing, and the Sammy DLP would use the Genesis chip for scaling to 720P - thus only one Faroudja is used.
Of course you could say that in this case two Genesis chips are used since Genesis purchased Faroudja a couple of years ago.
-phil
jazzcat
05-21-04, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by PhilB
WynsWrld98,
This depends. The original Sammy DLP sets only used the Faroudja for it's DCDi capabilies. Scaliing is done by a Genesis chip. This is true of the digital boards at least through the board upgrade that Samsung did for forum members a year or so ago. I haven't seen the inards of the newer sets, so I can't comment on the scaling engine in those.
So, using the method described before, if the 941 output is set to 480P, then the Farodja 2310 in the 941 would do the deinterlacing, and the Sammy DLP would use the Genesis chip for scaling to 720P - thus only one Faroudja is used.
Of course you could say that in this case two Genesis chips are used since Genesis purchased Faroudja a couple of years ago.
-phil
Hi Phil, I own one of the original Sammy DLP from the powerbuy but opted not to do do the board upgrade. From what you are saying, the preferred method is to set the output for the 941 (which I ordered) and connect to the 507's DVI input for a 720P resolution? What about using 1080i?
Still trying to sort all this out!
Mark
Originally posted by jazzcat
Hi Phil, I own one of the original Sammy DLP from the powerbuy but opted not to do do the board upgrade. From what you are saying, the preferred method is to set the output for the 941 (which I ordered) and connect to the 507's DVI input for a 720P resolution? What about using 1080i?
Still trying to sort all this out!
Mark
Yes,
Let the the 941 do the deinterlacing and the scaling to 720P. Don't use 1080i as then the TV will have to rescale to the native 720P resolution.
Hopefully, the 941 will properly hand 4:3 aspect ration discs scaled out the HDMI output, otherwise you'll need a component connection also to get the proper AR for those discs.
-phil
Bishamon
05-21-04, 12:33 PM
So, the 941 will support 1366x768, but not 1280x768 which is used by some of their own products (I have the LTN325W).
I believe the Bravo D2 (and perhaps the D1?) will support 1280x768, so I may have to go that route. I still love my HD931, but it was better suited to my HLM437W than the new 32" LCD.
jazzcat
05-21-04, 12:38 PM
Phil, thanks for the info. When the 941 arrives I don't want to waste time figuring out how to set it up. I will probably get the DVI input calibrated when it is set up as I have never used it on the 507.
htwaits
05-21-04, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by PhilB
Hopefully, the 941 will properly hand 4:3 aspect ration discs scaled out the HDMI output, otherwise you'll need a component connection also to get the proper AR for those discs.
-phil
Add Letterbox films to that hope too. :)
Robert Whitehead
05-21-04, 01:59 PM
The Faroudja 2310 chip does BOTH deinterlacing and scaling. It would make little sense for Samsung to use the 2310 just for deinterlacing, so that it could buy and install a different chip for scaling. If the new Samsung DLPs use the 2310, it is performing both functions, as in the HD941/841(?).
You could set the player to 480p so that the 2310 in the player only deinterlaced, and then the 2310 in the DLP would be used only for scaling. But you are then going thru two conversions: 480i to 480p and 480p to 720p. If you set the player to 720p, you only have one conversion: 480i to 720p.
WynsWrld98
05-21-04, 02:03 PM
Robert: I have a Sammy HD941 on order. For my situation with a Sony HS10 which likely won't work with the 768p setting due to the refresh rate, do you feel sending the HS10 a 720p signal or 1080i signal would be best (and why)? Just curious your opinion...
Robert Whitehead
05-21-04, 02:12 PM
Bishamon-
BOTH the HD941 and HD841 DO support 768p. See the Samsung Press Release.
Wayne-
It's too bad the HS10 has refresh problems with 768p because the Samsung has that as a resolution; I'd at least try it. I don't think it will make any difference whether you feed the HS10 a 720p or 1080i signal, but compare them; one just might be better.
Bishamon
05-21-04, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
Bishamon-
BOTH the HD941 and HD841 DO support 768p. See the Samsung Press Release.
Yes, they support 1366x768, not 1280x768.
Robert Whitehead
05-21-04, 03:37 PM
I have closely examined the photos of the 841 and 941 on the web. I now believe that the photos are of preproduction models or mock ups. Further the photos for the two models appear to be consistently reversed.
First, neither machine displays the model number of the unit. Look at your own equipment. It is extraordinarily rare for the face not to display the model numbers. Thus my belief that these photos are of mock ups or preproduction/show pieces.
More telling are the logos on the two machines under the disc drawer.
On the photo of what is supposed to be the 941, there are only three: Dolby Digital; dts; and Progressive.
On the photo of what is supposed to be the 841 there are five: SACD; DCDi; Dolby Digital; dts; and Progressive.
Anyone following this thread knows these logos make no sense. Both should have the SACD logo, but only the 841 photo has it. And the 841 photo has DCDi as a logo, and the 941 does not; if anything it should be reversed. Hence my conclusion that these photos are not only preproduction or mock ups, but also reversed.
Given this, I think one would be ill advised to rely on the 841 photos on the web to conclude that the 841 has DCDi. I personally believe that both almost certainly will have DCDI, simply because it would cost Samsung less to buy large quanties of the Faroudja chip for both players, rather than smaller quantities of the Faroudja chip for the 941 and some other chip to deinterlace/scale for the 841.
The DCDi/841 issue is definitely NOT resolved by the web photos of the 841 showing the DCDi logo. We'll have to see if a production 841 has the DCDi logo, even though that will not be completely dispositive of the issue.
Several players with DCDi have come out without any DCDi logo on the player, e.g Pan RP56, RP82, XP30, XP50. Samsung could choose to use Faroudja in the 841, but not put the DCDi logo on the front in order to increase sales of the 941.
If there is no DCDi logo on the 841, someone is going to have to pop the top to find out if the 841 does use Faroudja or not.
jarednoah
05-21-04, 03:38 PM
I have an XGA projector. Will I benefit from the upconversion of standard dvd and get a sharper more detailed picture? I asked because some owners of projectors like the X1 (SVGA) dont see any significant improvement of the picture quality when upconverted. Others suggest that only projectors with higher resolution will benefit from upconversion. Can someone confirm this?
Thanks
Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
I have closely examined the photos of the 841 and 941 on the web. I now believe that the photos are of preproduction models or mock ups. Further the photos for the two models appear to be consistently reversed.
First, neither machine displays the model number of the unit. Look at your own equipment. It is extraordinarily rare for the face not to display the model numbers. Thus my belief that these photos are of mock ups or preproduction/show pieces.
Robert,
Every picture I have seen on the web (although I haven't looked too much) are pictures of the units at CES in January. There, only one of the units was functioning (I believe it was the 841) the other was only shown in mock-up form.
-phil
rtwaters
06-02-04, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
The Faroudja 2310 chip does BOTH deinterlacing and scaling. It would make little sense for Samsung to use the 2310 just for deinterlacing, so that it could buy and install a different chip for scaling. If the new Samsung DLPs use the 2310, it is performing both functions, as in the HD941/841(?).
You could set the player to 480p so that the 2310 in the player only deinterlaced, and then the 2310 in the DLP would be used only for scaling. But you are then going thru two conversions: 480i to 480p and 480p to 720p. If you set the player to 720p, you only have one conversion: 480i to 720p.
So what if I set the DVD player to output 480i? Then would the DLP do the interlacing and scaling? If it does, and the DVD player and the DLP even use the same chip, then do I get any benefit at all from using an upconverting DVD player?
Rick
htwaits
06-02-04, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by rtwaters
So what if I set the DVD player to output 480i?
Rick
Staying in digital mode avoids errors caused by doing digital to analog to digital conversions. The DVI input on the current HLN and HLM models accept 480p, 1080i and 720p inputs. You would have to use component (analog) input to send 480i to the Samsung DLP sets.
I currently have a JVC HD Set connected to a Samsung DirecTV HD Tuner via the DVI port. So, if I were to get a 941 or 841, I would have to switch out the HD tuner to the component video and connect the 841/941 to the DVI port, right?
I am curious as to why 720p/1080i would not be available via the component video port of the 841/941?
Would the picture quality of the 841/941 come close to HD-DVD? I am completely spoiled with HD and want it in my DVD now!!! :)
Do we have to wait for HD-DVD or are the Samsung models good enough to bridge the gap until HD-DVD arrives (for us mortals)?
Iceblade
06-09-04, 05:48 PM
rlam01,
Short answer to your "HD DVD" question.. depends on who you ask. I just dropped out of a pissing contest in another thread where people insisted that upconverted 480p material from a DVD was at or very near HD quality 1080i or 720p. In case you can't tell my tone from the sentence above, I believe that anyone who thinks that either has never seen a true HD signal... or has less than discerning eyesight. :)
That being said, the mitigating factor in how you feel about the upconverted material being displayed on your JVC would ultimately rest with the quality of the conversion that your tv does internally. For instance, assuming that your set is 1080i native, and that you are currently feeding it 480p from a progressive DVD player... let's say the chip in your JVC sucks at doing 480p to 1080i conversion. Perhaps the chip in the Samsung does a much better job of upconversion and you select to have it output 1080i to your JVC set, effectively bypassing the tv's internal scaler. You could very well notice a nice difference in quality on your tv screen. However, it's also possible that you could see no discernable difference, or even a worsening of the picture if the Samsung conversion chip is inferior to the JVC's internal one.
As for the lack of 720p/1080i upconversion ability on the component outputs, I'm not sure I have an answer for that. I can't even recall reading people's theories on this.
Also, depending on which Samsung STB you have, you may actually get a better picture from the component outputs vs. the DVI output anyway. If you have a TS160, that will be the case since the morons at Samsung continue to impersonate ostriches with their heads in the sand with regards to the black crush issue. The TS160 is a bigtime victim of an overly dark picture. This effect is lessened when using the component outs. Give it a try and see if you notice much of a quality difference. Personally, I didn't see one when connected to my DLP.
Hope that helps,
Jeff
Joe Murphy Jr
06-09-04, 09:10 PM
Here's why there is no upconversion to 1080i or 720p on the analog outputs.
Hollywood has said "no" to resolutions greater than 480p NTSC on the analog video outputs. The DVD Forum is controlled by the Hollywood studios (using "the invisible hand around their balls" technique). The majority of the manufacturers are members of the DVD Forum.
Dots connected?
Iceblade
06-09-04, 10:36 PM
Thanks for the clarification, JM Jr. I figured it was something along those lines. MPAA, RIAA, <insert archaic consortium's acronym of choice here>, ETC... can all kiss my A.S.S.... Not on the right. Not on the left. Just in the groove. ;)
Dots connected (it's a little red one... laser, actually... and it is lined up at the MPAA), finger pointed (it's the middle one... it's directed at the left coast... southern part, actually, Hollyweird specifically) and now.. back to the program. :)
Thanks again,
Jeff
Zodemere
06-09-04, 11:16 PM
I c i c, so we are in the matrix after all.
Joe Murphy Jr
06-10-04, 12:21 AM
Iceblade
Stop it at once! That sense of humor you have almost forced cold liquid out of my nose! :D
Iceblade
06-10-04, 07:54 AM
Sir, yes, SIR! Affirmative on the "no humor", sir!
Like I always say, "better liquid than Captain Crunch". ;)
Oh wait.. I never say that. :D
Regs,
Jeff
iamnotmad
07-12-04, 10:55 PM
Should I be able to do dvi 1:1 with this player connected to my sony HS-10 (res of 1366x768)?
Thanks for info!
WynsWrld98
07-13-04, 01:43 AM
iamnotmad: if you're talking about if you can do 1:1 pixel mapping with your HS10 with the Sammy 841 the answer is "no". The 768p the 841 provides has the incorrect refresh rate to sync with the HS10 which uses an unusual refresh rate of 56Hz.
Your current options for 1:1 pixel mapping with the HS10 are the Bravo D1 (which I use with my HS10), Bravo D2 and Momitsu.
iamnotmad
07-13-04, 07:02 AM
WynsWrld, thanks for the response. That's a bummer. Same go for the samsung 941?
How much quality diff would there be really between dvi with 1:1 pixel mapping and dvi without 1:1 pixel mapping?
Thanks again.
iamnotmad
07-14-04, 11:09 AM
bumpski - any info on my last questions. Thanks very much. Do we know the 941 will not have an adjustable refresh?
WynsWrld98
07-14-04, 09:56 PM
iamnotmad: hard to quantify but definitely worth doing as far as sharpness and reduction of artifacts go... The likelihood the 941 will have adjustable refresh is probably nil.
iamnotmad, it looks like your best bet may be a Bravo D2.
iamnotmad
07-15-04, 12:38 PM
Thanks Gilley, yeah I was looking at that or momitsu, but I want dvda/sacd :( I may sacrifice 1:1 for dvda/sacd and go with the 941.
Kal Rubinson
07-15-04, 01:18 PM
FWIW, I just returned from the Samsung press presentation and here's the latest release on the 841 and the new 941 universal players. The prototype shown of the 941 lacked the promised HDMI jack. BTW, the prices quoted include DVI/HDMI cables!
http://www.hwhpr.com/prclients/samsung/mediaday_0704/index.html
Kal
smitchell24
07-15-04, 01:28 PM
So Mr. Robinson.....did Samsung provide a date for the release of the 941? Thanks!
Kal Rubinson
07-15-04, 01:49 PM
September.
It's RUbinson, BTW.
Kal
Terry.P
07-19-04, 05:16 PM
TV Authority has the 941 listed as a pre order in the AVS powerbuy section for $249.00
http://www.tvauthority.com/AVS-Forum-MEMBERS-ONLY/AVS-Forum-MEMBERS-ONLY.asp
htwaits
07-19-04, 05:54 PM
Now we need a color space detective.
Originally posted by Terry.P
TV Authority has the 941 listed as a pre order in the AVS powerbuy section for $249.00
http://www.tvauthority.com/AVS-Forum-MEMBERS-ONLY/AVS-Forum-MEMBERS-ONLY.asp
At $249 + shipping, same price as my Amazon $255 (free shipping) preorder. Does anyone have experience with TV Authority?
htwaits
07-19-04, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by BillP
At $249 + shipping, same price as my Amazon $255 (free shipping) preorder. Does anyone have experience with TV Authority?
TVA did the original Samsung HLM power-buy in 2002 and they are now doing a HLP power-buy.
Just look at the top of the thread list in the RPTV forum.
Bondmanp
07-20-04, 04:07 PM
Any indication on whether the SACD playback on these players will be bitstream or will they convert to PCM before analog? TIA
jbarbbcuny
07-20-04, 08:37 PM
I'm thinking over the Sammy 941 powe buy vs the Bravo D2. Comperable prices. Could anyone comment on which player might have an edge over the other?
Thanks....
I'm going with the Samsung since I'm interested in audio (SACD) and am concerned regarding the reliability of the Bravo. Nobody can tell you which has the better PQ until the Samsung is available.
Rob Tomlin
07-20-04, 09:54 PM
I think it is relative safe to assume that the Samsung will be more dependable than the Bravo.
Add SACD and DVD-A capability, I would also choose the Samsung.
htwaits
07-20-04, 10:55 PM
Unless Samsung changes their design they will still be using PC Color Space and not Video Color Space like the D1 and D2 DVD players. That will probably mean less detail (black and white crush) in the very dark and very white scenes.
mallu2u
07-21-04, 12:56 AM
does d2 allow upconversion over component?
Jim Noyd
07-21-04, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by mallu2u
does d2 allow upconversion over component? It does, but limited to 480p on DVD's with Macrovision copy protection.
mallu2u
07-21-04, 10:48 AM
is there a way (fix) to override this setting? And to make it region-free?
ntalwar
09-15-04, 09:40 PM
The HD841 appears to use the PC Colorspace- just demo'd one from Best Buy, and my Toshiba HDTV dropped colors again.
Hey guys. I have the new 841 dvd player and it is hooked up through the DVI input (of course). Everyone knows about the black crush that this dvd player has, it is possible to pull this out with the avia discs, or with the DVE DVDs? The blacks are really black, and I was wondering if from a calibration standpoint, can it be a little better? I have a Hitachi 60v500a.
Thanks
Jason
tspaceace68
01-19-05, 01:13 PM
Hello all i am getting the sammy hl-p5063w next week and i am looking at getting the sammy hd-841 does this player play dvd +r its states it does conditionally in the specs has anyone used dvd+ and dvd- media in there player . thanks
Does anyone know if the HD931 has RGB out from the DVI port ? And if so what resolutions are available ?
I tried to search for this but didn’t find anything.
Regards
Originally posted by sdg72
Does anyone know if the HD931 has RGB out from the DVI port ? And if so what resolutions are available ?
I tried to search for this but didn’t find anything.
Regards
The DVI port can output at least 480p, 720p, and 1080i. I'm not sure about 480i.
Ok, so if I use a DVI to RGB adaptor I should get RGB analog output ?
Just to clarify here, I don’t have DVI on my set, but I do have RGBHV analog ( VGA ) input. I now that DVI does digital 480p, 720p & 1080i, BUT, I need the Analog signal that sometimes is available on DVI ports, like DVI-I not DVI-D.
Regards
Guys come on, lets start talking about 745, 945 dudes!
Ok, so if I use a DVI to RGB adaptor I should get RGB analog output ?
Just to clarify here, I don’t have DVI on my set, but I do have RGBHV analog ( VGA ) input. I now that DVI does digital 480p, 720p & 1080i, BUT, I need the Analog signal that sometimes is available on DVI ports, like DVI-I not DVI-D.
Regards
Originally posted by sdg72
Ok, so if I use a DVI to RGB adaptor I should get RGB analog output ?
Just to clarify here, I don’t have DVI on my set, but I do have RGBHV analog ( VGA ) input. I now that DVI does digital 480p, 720p & 1080i, BUT, I need the Analog signal that sometimes is available on DVI ports, like DVI-I not DVI-D.
Regards
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that the DVI signal coming out of the Sammy DVI port is all digital and no analog signal is present to be converted to RGB analog. I don't think a DVI to RGB adapter will work for you.
11001011
04-03-05, 01:34 PM
Heads up! Costco has the 841's for $99!:)
I am getting one today:)
andwhite1
06-15-05, 11:51 PM
[QUOTE=sdg72]Ok, so if I use a DVI to RGB adaptor I should get RGB analog output ?
Just to clarify here, I don’t have DVI on my set, but I do have RGBHV analog ( VGA ) input. I now that DVI does digital 480p, 720p & 1080i, BUT, I need the Analog signal that sometimes is available on DVI ports, like DVI-I not DVI-D.
Regards[/QUOTE]
No. I wanted to do the same thing. DVI input for my HD cable box, RGB input for the DVD player. The DVD player output is strictly DVI-D, not DVI-I. Wouldn't it be great if it was. Then you would just need a simple DVI to RGB cable. I'm sure this is some type of security/copyright protection..I really don't know. I know it can be done because almost all computer video cards are DVI-I and you only need a simple dongle converter to hook it to the RGB input on your monitor. However Samsung seems to have a particular problem with simple decisions and these DVD players. Very bizarre. I did run across a few converters that would convert the digital DVI-D signal to Analog RGB, but the cost was prohibative..I think $300 plus if I remember correctly...
As to which is better...digital or analog signal? I think the RGB output from my computer into my Sammy looked as good or better than DVI input from cable box or dvd player....
ranvarian
06-28-05, 11:59 PM
OK I am very sorry because I am sure that this has been made very clear but I really want to make 100% sure I am reading this correctly. Both this player and the HD941 will not upconvert via component is that correct? I dont have DVI on my set so knowing this would be a big help as amazon has this set for 89.99 with free shipping. Thanks for your help.
HD841, HD850, and HD941 all WILL upconvert via component IF you do the remote hack (angle, 4, 3, 2, 7, angle). HD941 has DCDi or Faroudja (better for video tittles) while the other 2 uses Zoran. HD841 and HD941 supports SACD and DVD-A while HD850 does not. HD841 can be hacked via firmware update to support DivX too, but the other 2 can't (yet). HD841 and HD850 can be hacked to be region free but HD850 requires AIWA remote control (avail. for $10 online).
ranvarian
06-29-05, 01:43 AM
[QUOTE=Huey]HD841, HD850, and HD941 all WILL upconvert via component IF you do the remote hack (angle, 4, 3, 2, 7, angle). HD941 has DCDi or Faroudja (better for video tittles) while the other 2 uses Zoran. HD841 and HD941 supports SACD and DVD-A while HD850 does not. HD841 can be hacked via firmware update to support DivX too, but the other 2 can't (yet). HD841 and HD850 can be hacked to be region free but HD850 requires AIWA remote control (avail. for $10 online).[/QUOTE]
Wow thank you so very much. I am strongly leaning towards the 841 just for the Divx support. Thanks for your help on this.
jcamber
06-29-05, 02:34 PM
[QUOTE=Huey]HD841, HD850, and HD941 all WILL upconvert via component IF you do the remote hack (angle, 4, 3, 2, 7, angle). HD941 has DCDi or Faroudja (better for video tittles) while the other 2 uses Zoran. HD841 and HD941 supports SACD and DVD-A while HD850 does not. HD841 can be hacked via firmware update to support DivX too, but the other 2 can't (yet). HD841 and HD850 can be hacked to be region free but HD850 requires AIWA remote control (avail. for $10 online).[/QUOTE]
Huey, questions for you
1. Do you have a HD941?
2. Did you perform the hack on it...? and
3. Did it work?
I'm interested in hearing if DCDi would work when signal is upconverted to 1080i over component after the hack... I would basically purchase this DVD player today if this is true.
Thanks,
Jorge
I have the HD941, the hack works on it and from what Huey said it seems that 1080i is still using DCDi. The best thing for one to check is the flag test from DVE!
Go to this link for a fault of the Samsung with Overscan:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=549521&page=4
Chad
1080i still use DCDi because the signal is deinterlaced to 480p and then scaled to 1080i. The display then scaled back down to its native resolution (XGA in my case). 1080i signal is cleaner on most upconverting DVD players so it generally looks better than 720p despite the fact that 720p is closer to 768p of XGA.
And yes, I too own HD941 and it's a bargain for $121 with DCDi, component and HDMI upconversion, DVD-A and SACD support, and EzView aspect control which is great for the rare 4:3 or nonanamorphic DVDs.
jcamber
06-30-05, 12:38 PM
Chad and Huey, thanks for your responses.
Sounds like the 941 has the perfect combination for me after it is hacked to upconvert via component (I have a Sanyo PLV-Z1 1/2 HD projector that does not have HDMI).
Huey, after the firmware update, would you say it was worth the results you're getting on the 941? I'm just trying to weight here wether it makes sense to risk having a dead dvd player for little gain. Maybe I can borrow your CD-R? :)
Thanks!
Jorge
Jcamber,
If you have the Z1 you will get an overscan line on the screen like I did if you go with the Samsung.
There is a way to get rid of it by going into the service menu though.
I have been busy this week. I only had it setup for a littel while - enough to do the hack and the firmware upgrade. Next day I quickly did the service menu fix and haven't had time since then.
I want to A/B it to my Pioneer 588 to see if I notice a difference at all.
Probably not until this weekend will I get to that point -
If you have any other questions ask since you have the Z1 as well.
Which dvd player are you using now?
Chad
jcamber
06-30-05, 07:46 PM
Hi Chad,
Cool to know you have the same equipment I do (or will if I get the 941!) . I have a Panny DVD-CP-72, it works well BUT only plays DVD-A and I would like SACD as well. Also, it does not upconvert to 1080i even though it does have DCDi. It doesn't have HDMI but I'm not looking at upgrading my PJ yet (but nice to have in the 941).
I thought the overscan problem was fixed with the firmware... if not, then would you mind providing instructions on how to fix it through the service menu?
Another question on the 941 if you don't mind... does it play mp3? and if so, have you tried burning a DVD-R with mp3s (a ton of them) and tried to play them in the 941? I have a Pioneer 363 and I can do that with this player but can't on the CP72 and this is the best thing next to having a media server...
thanks,
Jorge
Jorge,
Shoot me a PM with your email address and we will take it from there.
Like I said I haven't had tons of time with this player yet.
Chad
Rmassey
06-30-05, 11:14 PM
A few Samsung 941 questions -
How well is the bass managment impemented. Can you adjust large/small speaker settings, distance? Is there a level calibration?
What is the XO for the small speaker setting?
I use an Anthem AVM 30, would I be better off setting the 941 to large and use the analog BM of the AVM for HiRez playback?
Does the remote offer discrete on / off or is there a JP1 device file available to acheive discrete on/off?
Does the display/info show time remaing when playing a movie title?
Will the 941 allow random shuffle play for MP3 playback?
TIA
Have not played much with high-res music yet, but it does let you choose large or small speakers. Not sure what frequency is the cross-over. Can't recall if you can adjust the channel output levels at the DVD player (receiver should do this anyways). I suspect this is an adequate high-res music player but not anything to brag about at this price point.
If you want a my HD941 firmware update CD-R email me at h-u-e-y-n-g-u-y-e-n-@-p-o-l.n-e-t (minus the dashes of course, trying to avoid spam).
Rmassey
07-01-05, 12:52 AM
Thanks for the info and offer Huey, I sent you a PM.
Rmassey
07-05-05, 12:00 PM
FYI, Looks like c-source (http://www.c-source.com/csource/newsite/ttechnote.asp?part_no=DVDHD941) has bumped the price of the Samsung 941 to $126.
Still a great price with free shipping. Ordered mine on a friday and had it monday morning.
Rmassey
07-05-05, 02:21 PM
[QUOTE=cburbs]Still a great price with free shipping. Ordered mine on a friday and had it monday morning.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, you must be closer.... I ordered one on Thursday, scheduled delivery for tomorrow (July 7). How the heck did you get a monday delivery on the 4th of July?
I ordered it on June 24th and had it on Monday the 26th -
Yeah the location is in Ohio so it is closer to me.
I still haven't had tons of time with this player yet. This past weekend was just way to busy and now I am back on crutches so considering everything is in the basement it makes it hard to do any testing.
I want to compare it to my current Pioneer 588 to see if there is a difference........
ogbuehi
07-05-05, 03:53 PM
I currently own the 850. The issue I have with the 850 (and the 2 previous ones I returned) is that the player will freeze or skip on perfectly brand new movies right out of the box (movies like Star Wars Episode I, LOTR the third movie etc). I'm wondering if the 941 has the same issues. It has the DCDi chipset which I've researched and found it doesn't do much more than the Zoran chip when it comes to newer movies (only on old movies and tv shows does it make a difference). Is this skip problem something associated with the samsung players or does the 941 fix this problem?
I am sure you checked but did you verify no scratches on the DVD - Have you checked these DVDs in other players to make sure it isn't the DVD itself.
The only reason I ask is I have bought new dvd's/cds that have had huge scratches on them - How I don't know but they did.
Rmassey
07-05-05, 04:28 PM
[QUOTE=cburbs]I ordered it on June 24th and had it on Monday the 26th -
Yeah the location is in Ohio so it is closer to me.
I still haven't had tons of time with this player yet. This past weekend was just way to busy and now I am back on crutches so considering everything is in the basement it makes it hard to do any testing.
I want to compare it to my current Pioneer 588 to see if there is a difference........[/QUOTE]
Ahh-ha. Gotcha. I thought your purchase was last week like me.
That's funny, I just bought a Pio 588 in May too. Heck these things are so cheap (relatively speaking) you might as well try one of each. :D
I will probably only keep one of them. But yes the price was cheap on both players.
My guess is the Pioneer will have better SACD/DVDA playback.
I need a night alone with my setup to do some comparisons.
Chad
ogbuehi
07-06-05, 08:43 AM
I checked all the discs when I open the package to ensure that they don't have any scratches. That would really suck to have bought 10 new dvd from different stores and all of them have scratches right out of the box. Sorry for the confusion all, I didn't know that the 850 was newer than the 941. I talked to the samsung level 2 tech and samsung is going to send a prepaid shipping label so I can mail the player back. Apparantly the hdmi cable allows the DVD player and tv to communicate with each other (explains why the player doesn't play a dvd until the tv is set to the correct video setting). So apparently the tv isn't telling the player that it can support 768p so the player eliminates it as an option.
TigerAspect
07-07-05, 12:13 AM
HD941 owners:
Is the black crush really that bad in your opinion?
How does the 2 audio formats sound to you?
-A-
NorthJersey
07-07-05, 09:45 AM
huey has posted that the new firmware update for the 941 fixes BTB. Question is, are there any white crush/WTW issues with the 941 before/after the update ?
Do the new players yet support dvd-a or SACD over digital/firewire to a receiver equipped to receive/decode them (like the pioneer elite series)?
Thanks,
Adam
Rmassey
07-07-05, 01:07 PM
[QUOTE=adamf]Do the new players yet support dvd-a or SACD over digital/firewire to a receiver equipped to receive/decode them (like the pioneer elite series)?
[/QUOTE]
These players do not have firewire, only HDMI. It was reported that they pass 2 ch audio via HDMI, but not DVD-A/SACD.
[QUOTE=maxvengeance111]Well it seems that if you want the new Samsung players you need to go to the Middle East to get them. They were released there the other day....check out this link....http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/38044.html.
Not to sound too patriotic, and I understand Japan getting stuff even years before us, but the Middle East? With whats going on right now, you would think we would get it before them in the US. Maybe its a test market thing, or maybe its a rich oil baron thing...I just didnt think they hard electricity in those caves...Just kidding.[/QUOTE]
I've been to the Middle East, the Persian Gulf area in particular, and it's known to be one of the most progressive electronics markets in the world. You get models and variations there that don't exist in the US or Europe - for example, multi-system/multi-voltage audio-visual equipment is the norm there, due to the amount of foreigners that live there and buy electronics and then take them back to their native countries - so it's a market issue. Places like Dubai & Bahrain are electronic hubs and have no sales tax, so they're shopping havens. Dubai re-exports to Central Asia, West Asia, Africa, and much of Europe from the Far East - so it's packed full of the latest stuff. Anyhow, it's funny to see such comments about "oil barons" and "caves"...aren't you from Texas? ;)
ogbuehi
07-08-05, 08:28 AM
I've been to the Middle east a couple of times and I think they are still playing catchup with U.S. technology. When I first went over there about 3 years ago everybody was touting VCD players like they were the best thing since sliced bread. Now they have dvd players and movies touting the DTS and Dolby Digital logo with almost no receivers to decode it. If I were to go anywhere to get electronics it would definitely have to be Japan or Korea. Does anybody know if movies recorded by superbit are any better than the original ones. On another AV forum, people kept recommending buying the Spiderman 2 superbit edition as a good bench mark. I'm wondering if that superbit is for sound or video improvements over the original.
Here is something to read if you haven't already:
http://timefordvd.com/feature/Superbit.shtml
Alot of people like the Fifth Element Superbit!
Jim Noyd
07-08-05, 09:44 AM
[QUOTE=ogbuehi]Now they have dvd players and movies touting the DTS and Dolby Digital logo with almost no receivers to decode it.
Does anybody know if movies recorded by superbit are any better than the original ones. On another AV forum, people kept recommending buying the Spiderman 2 superbit edition as a good bench mark. I'm wondering if that superbit is for sound or video improvements over the original.[/QUOTE]
There are very few receivers sold w/o DTS and DD processing.
Superbit version DVD's offer higher bit-rate video.
ogbuehi
07-08-05, 12:46 PM
Take a trip out to the middle east Jim and you'll see them there. That statement is very true in the U.S.
Hey cburbs,
Thanks for the link. That really renewed my confidence to buy a whole bunch of superbit titles. I am looking forward to watching a superbit edition movie on my set this weekend. I will probably now also relisten to my DTS encoded movies to see if I can hear the difference.
ogbuehi,
If possible go rent one of the superbit titles first...maybe even rent the superbit and the regular dvd and do a comparison for yourself.
Chad
IGN's review of the Spider-Man Superbit has comparison pictures to the standard DVD. The difference is clear. They even look better on standard analog TVs.
http://dvd.ign.com/articles/521/521335p1.html
Rmassey
07-08-05, 03:17 PM
I received a SS 941 yesterday. I first tried out the player and configured it for P-scan using component connections. Then I tried the Upconversion Hack (angle 4327 angle) This worked fine. I then installed the firmware upgrade Heuy found and reapplied the upconverson hack. All went well. After all this I noticed that the picture looks very washed out compared to s-video and my old RP91. I have adjusted the TV settings so I now get a fairly clear picture with good colors. The upconversion to 1080i is nice , but it's not night and day IMO. I see no scan lines in 1080i on my Pio 532 RPTV. I'm still deciding if it beats my RP91 for PQ. I also see that it will correctly display 4:3 material with a Vertical Pciture mode via EZview. This is a must for me, as my TV locks in Full mode when sent a Progressive siginal via component. It's not quite the auto scaling feature of the RP91, but at least it can play 4:3 material in OAR.
I tried some DVD-A and SACDs. When I run the internal test tones, I get no LFE signal at all. Is there something I can do to correct this. I tried both Large and Small settings on the 941. I get plenty of LFE via digial coax for movies, but nada from the internal decoder. Other than that MC music sound fine to me.
I played back some Jpg pictures just to see if it would , works OK, but is very slow. The 941 will not play back mpg files or Divx.
I am still looking for discrete On/Off IR codes to use with MX500/RS 1994/JP1 remotes. If anyone know where I can find these, please let me know. I already tried both the JP1 forums and remotecentral, Discrete Hunter forum, no luck.
Blue ring around power button is annoying as is the very bright front panel display. You can turn it off, but must do so each time you power up the player. I see a macro in my future to cure this 'feature'.
more observations later.....
Do you have the 6 analog cables connected for SACD/DVDA?
Chad
[QUOTE=Huey]Have not played much with high-res music yet, but it does let you choose large or small speakers. Not sure what frequency is the cross-over. Can't recall if you can adjust the channel output levels at the DVD player (receiver should do this anyways). I suspect this is an adequate high-res music player but not anything to brag about at this price point.
If you want a my HD941 firmware update CD-R email me at h-u-e-y-n-g-u-y-e-n-@-p-o-l.n-e-t (minus the dashes of course, trying to avoid spam).[/QUOTE]
re: rmassey's post, can you confirm LFE channel comes thru in MCh audio?
tvyankee
07-08-05, 05:19 PM
hello.
i tried the unit with the multi ch outputs and yes the lfe ch works both with the music and with the test tone on the menu of the player. one thing i was not able to do was make the level of the output of the tone go up or down.with my other players i was able to do this.i think i just haven't figured it out yet.
this player has a nice sound even though its new and is not broken in.i think with some break in this player will sound really good.
thanks
rmassey and huey or anyone else w/ the 941,
Have you noticed any of the issues that a lot of others experienced with the 941:
1. Green flashes during regular dvd playback
2. Audio sync problems
3. "HDMI audio not available/supported" message
4. No memory of settings
5. Failing BTB test for 720 via HDMI to HDMI (1080 passes right?)
I ordered one yesterday, and after reading the 22 page thread about the sammy 941...I'm starting to have second thoughts...although everyone keeps saying the PQ is great - it just has those issues. Thanks!!
Rmassey
07-09-05, 11:28 AM
[QUOTE=cburbs]Do you have the 6 analog cables connected for SACD/DVDA?[/QUOTE]
Yes, of course (I know, you had to ask). I also have the 6 ch input selected on my Anthem AVM.
Rmassey
07-09-05, 11:31 AM
[QUOTE=kmwong]rmassey and huey or anyone else w/ the 941,
Have you noticed any of the issues that a lot of others experienced with the 941:
1. Green flashes during regular dvd playback
2. Audio sync problems
3. "HDMI audio not available/supported" message
4. No memory of settings
5. Failing BTB test for 720 via HDMI to HDMI (1080 passes right?)
[/QUOTE]
1 - No I have not seen any green flashes
2 - No, no problems noticed
3 - I don't have HDMI capable eqipment, so I cannot answer this one
4 - No, it seems to hold the settings fine, except the front panel display off
5 - My RPTV only does 1080i, so I cannot answer this for you.
Rmassey
07-09-05, 11:55 AM
Re: LFE - I have confirmed the LFE works via the 5.1 outs, although it is very low and there is no way to adjust it. Not good for MC music. I tried both the internal tones and I used the THX Optimizer audio test on Monsters Inc. Both have very low LFE compared to using the digital outs (I know apples/oranges)
[Edit] - OK, I have adjusted the Anthem AVM 30 to overcome the low LFE from the 941. The Anthem allows me to adjust the LFE up from -30 to +20 db and it remembers it for each channel. I set it to +3 or +4 db depending on the disc. So I can set it for the 6 ch input only and it remembers it. Problem solved.
Today I watched The Fifth Element (Superbit) and the picture does look very good at 1080i. Other discs have not shown such a dramatic improvment. I have the TV adjusted now to show a good color balance.
Phunktify
07-11-05, 03:42 AM
This maybe a newbie question, but, when you have the multi-channel analogue audio hooked up do superbit dvds and regular dvds still default to the optical/digital connection for audio?
Rmassey,
Some DVD's will show improvement and some won't...I am still trying to find a dvd that does.
Any suggestions on a title that isn't superbit that you might be able to see a difference.
Chad
Rmassey
07-11-05, 11:14 AM
[QUOTE=Phunktify]This maybe a newbie question, but, when you have the multi-channel analogue audio hooked up do superbit dvds and regular dvds still default to the optical/digital connection for audio?[/QUOTE]
The disc you play (superbit dvds and regular dvds) has nothing to do with default connection to the receiver/pre. You select which audio path to take for any/all discs. I only use 6 ch input for DVD-A/SACD. For all movie playback, I use digital coax, which uses the better DACs in my pre.
Rmassey
07-11-05, 11:17 AM
[QUOTE=cburbs]Rmassey,
Some DVD's will show improvement and some won't...I am still trying to find a dvd that does.
Any suggestions on a title that isn't superbit that you might be able to see a difference.
[/QUOTE]
I'll keep looking and let you know. I have not watched many movies on the 941 yet since I only got it thursday of last week. I will review some reference discs (like Diana Krall - Live in Paris) and see what pops up.
Blue ring around power button is annoying as is the very bright front panel display. You can turn it off, but must do so each time you power up the player. I see a macro in my future to cure this 'feature'.
more observations later.....[/QUOTE]
RMassey, you say you can turn off the very bright front panel display--How do you do it?
Phunktify
07-11-05, 04:37 PM
Is it me, or is there some confusion over criticism of the 841, vs. the 931, vs. the 941
Some people in this thread are repeating criticisms they heard of the 841 but saying it was of the 941. From what I've read, no one has had any complaints about the picture of the 941 - those who own it - but like I say, it's possible some are confusing the model numbers since there are several different modesl each offering distincly varying qualities in picture.
[QUOTE=Phunktify]Is it me, or is there some confusion over criticism of the 841, vs. the 931, vs. the 941
Some people in this thread are repeating criticisms they heard of the 841 but saying it was of the 941. From what I've read, no one has had any complaints about the picture of the 941 - those who own it - but like I say, it's possible some are confusing the model numbers since there are several different modesl each offering distincly varying qualities in picture.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it is easy to get them confused especially since they're all somewhat similar. I think most of the problems with 941 were relatively trivial, and the new firmware fixed almost all of them. There's an older thread (I forget which one, might be that 22-page one) where a bunch of people tried out the new firmware and it literally solved the majority of their problems. I still say the 941 is the best Samsung, even moreso than the 950.
Rmassey
07-11-05, 05:32 PM
[QUOTE=Phunktify]Is it me, or is there some confusion over criticism of the 841, vs. the 931, vs. the 941
Some people in this thread are repeating criticisms they heard of the 841 but saying it was of the 941. From what I've read, no one has had any complaints about the picture of the 941 - those who own it - but like I say, it's possible some are confusing the model numbers since there are several different modesl each offering distincly varying qualities in picture.[/QUOTE]
I only have the 941 and have never tried the others. When I first played the 941, it showed a very washed out picture. After some heavy tweeking of my TV settings, I now have a good picture. I don't think it's amazing by any means, but it's at least somewhat beter than my RP91 at 480p.
Rmassey
07-11-05, 05:38 PM
RMassey, you say you can turn off the very bright front panel display--How do you do it?
From memory.... Menu, functions (I think, 3rd one down), last item is front panel display on/off.
Thanks,RMassey, I managed to find my way to the solution but in so doing discovered another problem: I can't make the 941 remember the hdmi setup. I have to go back through the menu each time. I dont know if thats the 941 problem or the samsung slimfit I have it connected to. I've got manuals and remotes for both scattered all over the living room.. I can put the source on dvd hdmi using the menu on the slimfit, put the same setting on the 941 , but When I turn off both sets, then turn them back on, the 941 will not recall the dvd hdmi when scrolling down the source button. Duh?
tivoboy
07-12-05, 04:22 PM
So, here is my update on this player.
I am running this through a panny EDTV, using the DVI blade.
I was really excited to get this player, after all the issues with the 841 and 941, all of which went back. So, I found a nice deal and jumped in.
Normally, I am using an older Toshiba, not even Progressive player, running it through componant. Historically, I have found the componant input for this TV to be excellent, and my HDTIVO runs through that input. I had tried using the DVI input on for the HDTIVO, using an HDMI to DVI cable. I found that the DVI input from the HDTIVO, was NOT as nice as the componant input from the same HDTIVO. So, I have continued to use Componant for the HDTIVO, and was hoping to find a sweet HD upconverting DVD player that could use the DVI blade. ( No more cable swaps)
so, here goes with the HD950.
Plugged into the DVI blade, setup to 720p, or 1080i, there was
NO DIFFERANCE! Actually, there was. The picture was a bit softer, not as contrasty, not as rich as using the Toshiba player over componant.
I tried all settings for the HDMI output, and tried switching the settings (sharpness, contrast, etc.) on the DVD player. nothing really brought out a better picture.
The only thing that seemed to bring the levels up, was switching the funky RBG setting on the DVD player to ENHANCED, from BASIC. I don't really know what this setting is for, but it did do something.
but, back and forth with the older DVD player through componant, and nothing. I mean I REALLY did like the older player better.
About the only thing that I would say for the newer HD950 was that the sound sounded a bit punchyer, a bit more deep and just better. Now, that could have been that the output from the coaxial output on the HD950 was just more, and I was not adjusting the volume at all, or enough. Regardless, I have the feeling that this COULD be a nice SACD or DVD-A player.
So, I thinking it might just go back. I mean, I did get a nice deal on it, 189.00 delivered, but still not that crazy about it.
Maybe, I was just hoping for too much. Having used the HDTIVO for over a year and been SO happy with the HD content from it, even on this lowely EDTV, I was hoping for something to bring up the DVD playback to something CLOSER at least to the HDTIVO quality. I know, I know it is NOT HD, but I thought that we could get a bit of a pop.
Just a LITTLE pop would have been enough to say keep it.
Okay, here is the question. Can anyone recommend any setting adjustments that I may not have done that might bring the PQ up more with this new smokin' player?
thanks
TB
Rmassey
07-12-05, 04:40 PM
You pretty much said it here.....
I know, I know it is NOT HD
I really don't think using an HD upconverting DVD player, sent into an EDTV, is a very valid test. The whole point is you are trying to maximize the PQ, but you are at a disadvantage by using an EDTV. What did you expect?
I know you may be stuck with the EDTV for a while, but you cannot possibly expect a TV with reduced PQ capabilities to really show the full potential of the DVD950.
tivoboy
07-12-05, 04:52 PM
thanks
shouldn't the EDTV display the 720p signal though? And then as well, why would the HDTIVO look so spankin' AWESOME, yet I cannot get an love from an HD upconverting player.
heading over to a friends to try their HD6UY and see if there is a noticeable diff there.
His point is if your display is 853X480 then 480p is just as good or even better on some display than 720p or 1080i as there is less scaling internally. Thus, there is little point in feeding your EDTV 720p or 1080i from HD950 as your display will scale back down to 480p anyways. Both Tosh and HD950 uses Zoran so 480p component is very close. The reason HD 720p or 1080i looks so much better is because the signal is so much cleaner than DVD signal. You may want to try 480p HDMI/DVI of HD950 as it may be a better match to your PJ and should be better than 480p component, provided that it passes Blacker than Black and has correct white balance.
tivoboy
07-12-05, 07:39 PM
thanks
I have tried 480p from the HDTIVO, that picture is noticeably WORSE than the 720p, or 1080i signal from the HDTIVO over componant. I guess I shouldn't say WORSE, it is nice, but 720p is so NOTICEABLY better I could never watch the 480p signal again
Rmassey
07-12-05, 08:39 PM
I don't know the specs on your EDTV, but I thought that most were only 480P capable. I have no idea why you see better PQ from the HDTivo at 720. My understanding is that it would be displaying at 480P also.
[QUOTE=Dan Hitchman]Will these players have full x/y scaling so that it can be used in a 2.35:1, constant height setup?
It looks like the new Zenith is the only one so far that I know of that will do this.
Dan[/QUOTE]
I didn't see this answered yet (but I may have missed)
don't think there is full x/y scaling
But from my 841 manual, discussing 'Adjusting the Aspect Ratio (EZ View)'
If you are using a 16:9 TV
1. For 16:9 aspect ratio discs
...
- Screen Fit
The top and bottom of the screen are cut off. When playing a 2.35:1 aspect ratio disc, the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen will disappear. The picture will look vertically stretched...
...
of interest to me as owner of Zenith and wanting to do constant height
not sure the quality compared to Zenith, but it is much easier to accomplish than the zenith's depends-how-I-press- the-remote's-buttons approach
Phunktify
07-12-05, 10:50 PM
Just got the Samsung DVD-HD941...new Sony 30XS955 coming tomorrow, so I can't say much about the PQ...but W-O-W, the sound is extraordinary. I'm a Juilliard trained pianist and I can honestly say this is the best CD sound I've heard - super clear, refined, and discrete (i.e. voices and sound layers come out clearly). This is my first new DVD player in some time so I'm still a newbie in all this, but no one should doubt the sound from this unit is superb.
rickyricardo
07-15-05, 03:25 PM
I had an odd occurence today with my recently purchased HD841....it now suddenly passes the BTB test on DVE which it didn't pass before! I checked each resolution (480i, 480p, 720p, 1024x768, 1080i) and it passes BTB on all of them.
I don't know how it happened but I originally brought it home and hooked it up via DVI to see how the black crush was (it was pretty bad) so I decided to try component out which wasn't as bad but still had ALOT of clipping. I then moved it out to my other HDTV in the living room and tried it for a few days over component. It never passed BTB on that set either. So just today, I bring it back into the TV I hooked it up to originally and connected the DVI cable and ran some more tests. Still no BTB and still horrible Black crush, but then I hooked it up over component again (the DVI cable was removed from the player) and voila!! The BTB passes over component.
I also noticed that originally in the Basic Adjustment still shots at the beginning of each chapter in DVE Basic calibration were cut off at the sides (The contrast still shot explanation was chopped off at the edges so you couldn't fully read it and I have an LCD with 0% overscan according to DVE and Avia test patterns). Now that problem has also went away. I have made no adjustments to the player other than setting the "DVI Mode" setting to "Mode A." It's also the original firmware from the Samsung website that I installed before ever using it.
I've had numerous DVD players and have been an avid Home Theater follower for awhile and I have never seen a player suddenly change like this before.....any ideas how this could happen?
I guess I'll have to investigate this further and try to retrace my steps because I've noticed that a few people on this board CAN get them to pass the BTB test but most can't.
EDIT: One more question for the fixed pixel display owners out there. My LCD's native res is 1280x768 so I'm not sure if I should use 720p (1280x720) or 768p (1024x768). I know both probably need some kind of interpolation by my TV but does anyone know which one would provide optimum resolution? I know that HDTV resolutions are listed by their horizontal resolution in lines so I would assume that the 768p option would probably be better. Is this correct?
foghorn2
07-15-05, 07:21 PM
There are definitely ghosts in the HD841 machine that seem to mysteriously fix things over time!
huey-
i can't get your hack to work on the 941- my TV still says 480p for the input.
No disc in...from the remote push buttons angle, 4, 3, 2, 7, angle should display no hdcp
Make sure that the player is turned on before you switch the input it's connected to. The player is picky, at least with my TV. No picture will display if I don't do it this way. Once it's started up, put in the hack before doing anything else. It should work.
finally got it. the trick is you have to set the upconvert in "HDMI Sel" even if you don't have HDMI connected. click "HDMI Sel" repeatedly to scroll to what you want.
now i can play around to see which scaler is better.
mdcomdial
07-22-05, 09:24 AM
I just hooked up an 841. I think that it is Dead on arrival.
No matter what DVD that I put in, the display says no disk.
I can't even get the menu to come up on my display to do the initial set up of the DVD player. I tried both DVI and component.
I plan in returning the unit unless anyone has another way to get the player to work.
voodoogmr
07-22-05, 12:12 PM
I was about to purchase the 941, but I have a question about using the HDMI output. Since HDMI carries audio, does that mean that I'll hear audio on the TV speakers as well as my receiver (which will be connected with the coaxial digital output)? If so, that's going to be annoying. Is there a way to disable audio playback out of the HDMI output? I don't want to have to turn the volume down on the TV everytime I watch a DVD. My TV is a Sony 30XS955, which does support 2-channel audio via HDMI.
My first guess would be to simply enable the Bitstream output for DD/DTS. Since my TV's HDMI input only supports 2-channel, I was hoping that no audio would be heard on the TV since it can't decode the bitstream. Will that work?
Phunktify
07-25-05, 04:31 PM
[QUOTE=voodoogmr]I was about to purchase the 941, but I have a question about using the HDMI output. Since HDMI carries audio, does that mean that I'll hear audio on the TV speakers as well as my receiver (which will be connected with the coaxial digital output)? If so, that's going to be annoying. Is there a way to disable audio playback out of the HDMI output? I don't want to have to turn the volume down on the TV everytime I watch a DVD. My TV is a Sony 30XS955, which does support 2-channel audio via HDMI.
My first guess would be to simply enable the Bitstream output for DD/DTS. Since my TV's HDMI input only supports 2-channel, I was hoping that no audio would be heard on the TV since it can't decode the bitstream. Will that work?[/QUOTE]I have the 941 + the Sony 30xs955. If you set your 941 to output bitstream audio and hook it up via the digital audio output directly to your receiver, no audio is passed through to your TV so it's not an issue. The only thing that is an issue is that for like 1 second at the opening credits it will say "HDMI audio not supported", but it's very brief, like I say, about 1 second and it's gonwe. Even after upgrading the firmware mine still displays the same message. But the PQ is really outstanding and for the $150 including tax and shipping I paid for mine plus the absolutely stellar sound and video quality I can live with it.
You can use a hack entered via the remote and oputput upconverted video through your component cables, but I' ve read that the video quality is not quite up to the level of the HDMI output. In short, there are some minor issues, probably unnoticable to most people, with the hack and upconverting thru component. Anyway, that would likely solve the "HDMI not supported" message.
jcamber
08-01-05, 03:43 PM
Hi All,
I thought I'd give you an update on my HD941 experience. A friend from Mexico had me buy one for him and while on shipping, c-source messed up and the DVD player ended up showing up at my doorstep. This actually turned out better than expected as my buddy let me audition the DVD player prior to buying one. I A/B tested with my Panasonic DVD-CP72. The panny is supposed to have all the inner guts the legendary RP82 had (DCDi for one). The limitation is obviously that I can only get 480p with the Panny where the Sammy would provide 1080i via component after the remote hack.
I unpacked it, proceeded to hook up via component and then did the remote hack. I got the message on the screen and then on my PLV-Z1 projector changed the input to 1080i. The first thing that jumped at me was a blue bar on the bottom. Topic that has been discussed here and that can be fixed via the Z1 service menu. HOWEVER, even after fixing it, although the screen looked sharper than the Panny, the colors were not as good as the Panny. Everything looked dim and not as life-like as the Panny.
The audio also was bad. I setup the 941 to bitstream but for some reason my receiver was only playing 2 channels instead of 5.1. But even those two speakers the sound was weak. Not sure what was wrong with that.
In conclusion, I'm keeping my panny and holding out for now as I'd rather have good colors and sound than 1080i.
Jorge
Interesting Jorge.....
I still haven't had tons of time with mine with the new baby and all. Maybe this weekend I can finally give it a whirl and decide on the Samsung 941 or Pioneer 588 that I have.
Need to decide soon so I can get rid of one or the other.
Did you rerun avia/dve after installing the Samsung? If not that might have been the issue.
Phunktify
08-05-05, 01:37 PM
[QUOTE=jcamber]I unpacked it, proceeded to hook up via component and then did the remote hack. I got the message on the screen and then on my PLV-Z1 projector changed the input to 1080i. The first thing that jumped at me was a blue bar on the bottom. Topic that has been discussed here and that can be fixed via the Z1 service menu. HOWEVER, even after fixing it, although the screen looked sharper than the Panny, the colors were not as good as the Panny. Everything looked dim and not as life-like as the Panny.
The audio also was bad. I setup the 941 to bitstream but for some reason my receiver was only playing 2 channels instead of 5.1. But even those two speakers the sound was weak. Not sure what was wrong with that.
In conclusion, I'm keeping my panny and holding out for now as I'd rather have good colors and sound than 1080i.
Jorge[/QUOTE]Interesting...I have the same Sammy 941 dvd player and haven't noticed these problems. Blue bar, stereo output? Were you using digital audio out? Also, HDMI output for video is the way to go with this player. Use the digital audio out and connect it directly to your amp. There are no problems with this setup and the PQ and audio are superb.
It seems to me that you most likely have this unit improperly setup.
beluczywo
11-30-05, 08:08 AM
I have an RCA HDTV that is capable of 480p, 768p, and 1080i. I have digital cable with a Motorola dual tuner DVR that definitely puts out 1080i and it POPS! The contrast between normal broadcast TV and the Digital 1080i signal is amazing. After a lot of reading and considering my budget, I just purchased a Samsung HD841 and spent an hour and a half yesterday hooking it up. I specifically bought this unit since my TV was first generation HD and only has component inputs -- no DVI. I input the proper codes over the remote, correctly saw the DVD player indicate "HDCP Free!", I set the player to "SCAN-P/DVI", and using "DVI Select" on the remote, I can toggle among the modes.
Here's my problem: I don't pretend to be a videophile, but the best way I can describe what I see is as follows: I can discern no difference to my eye from 10 feet away between 480p and 768p. 1080i is about half the color saturation and brightness of the other 2, but resolution doesn't seem to be different. I tried using a copy of Moulin Rouge since it was filmed in THX (better suggestions for test sources?) I also have a copy of "Digital Video Essentials" and tried various test patterns.
Shouldn't I be able to see the results of the upconversion? Shouldn't it be noticeable going from 480 to 1080i? The picture is certainly better than broadcast TV, but normal DVD players have that going for them. I don't think it is as good as a true HD signal from the DVR. I was hoping for a noticeable improvement. The unit is a refurb (the only HD841's I could find), so it is theoretically possible that upconvert might not work, but being in the electronics industry myself that would be an astounding failure mode -- everything works BUT upconvert? Not likely since the code is built into the same chips driving everything else in the player.
Help please on how to test if I got what I paid for or am I expecting the impossible? Thanks a bunch!
DidHeFocus
11-30-05, 10:29 AM
I notice differences on my 841 and my Pioneer plasma. 1080i looks sharpest to me.
Trevor03
12-24-05, 06:11 PM
Alright, I've never posted here before, but I have the typical question of "which upconverting DVD player should I get?"
I just recently purchased a 44" Toshiba DLP TV. Our current DVD player sucks and doesn't even support progressive scan, so I'm wondering what kind to upgrade to. If it matters, I currently have a Kenwood receiver model number VR-707 (part of a 'home theatre in a box' package).
The Toshiba DLP TV can support 720p, but not 1080i.
Ummm...anything else important to know?
Suggestions would be MUCH appreciated, as I've been searching for awhile now and can't seem to find consistent answers...bah!
[QUOTE=Trevor03]Alright, I've never posted here before, but I have the typical question of "which upconverting DVD player should I get?"
I just recently purchased a 44" Toshiba DLP TV. Our current DVD player sucks and doesn't even support progressive scan, so I'm wondering what kind to upgrade to. If it matters, I currently have a Kenwood receiver model number VR-707 (part of a 'home theatre in a box' package).
The Toshiba DLP TV can support 720p, but not 1080i.
Ummm...anything else important to know?
Suggestions would be MUCH appreciated, as I've been searching for awhile now and can't seem to find consistent answers...bah![/QUOTE]
Here is a set of reviews that I did on the four most popular upshifting DVD players:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5892463&&#post5892463
Someone posted that they are clearing out the discountinued Sony NS975V for $150 ... I DO think that would be a great unit and a great deal (make sure firmware is 1.90 or above). If you can afford a more expensive unit, I like the Sony NS3100ES.
Trevor03
12-25-05, 02:07 AM
Well first of all I'd just like to say I'm a dumbass, since I clearly posted this in the wrong thread (I meant to post it in the main upconverting dvd players thread, stupid me) but thanks for the reply.
So I have two options now...
Buy the Oppo from their website for $200 American plus shipping...
Or...
Buy the Sony DVPNS70H from Futureshop for $170 Canadian...BUT, since it doesn't include a HDMI cable (to the best of my knowledge) I would have to buy one of those as well.
Or wait...I just noticed the Samsung DVD-HD850 for $150 Canadian at Futureshop, and it includes a cable. Great reviews, cheapest price, includes cable...I'm leaning HEAVILY towards this one now.
Though after reading your thoughts on the HD950 (I assume similar to 850) maybe I shouldn't.
Please keep in mind I'm absolutely NOT a videophile, I'm an average joe who happens to have a nice TV and needs a better DVD player. Will I really notice the difference between this and the Oppo or Sony models? Considering the price difference, will the quality really be worth the extra bucks I'd have to spend (especially on the HDMI cord?).
[QUOTE=Trevor03]Well first of all I'd just like to say I'm a dumbass, since I clearly posted this in the wrong thread (I meant to post it in the main upconverting dvd players thread, stupid me) but thanks for the reply.
So I have two options now...
Buy the Oppo from their website for $200 American plus shipping...
Or...
Buy the Sony DVPNS70H from Futureshop for $170 Canadian...BUT, since it doesn't include a HDMI cable (to the best of my knowledge) I would have to buy one of those as well.
Or wait...I just noticed the Samsung DVD-HD850 for $150 Canadian at Futureshop, and it includes a cable. Great reviews, cheapest price, includes cable...I'm leaning HEAVILY towards this one now.
Though after reading your thoughts on the HD950 (I assume similar to 850) maybe I shouldn't.
Please keep in mind I'm absolutely NOT a videophile, I'm an average joe who happens to have a nice TV and needs a better DVD player. Will I really notice the difference between this and the Oppo or Sony models? Considering the price difference, will the quality really be worth the extra bucks I'd have to spend (especially on the HDMI cord?).[/QUOTE]
I've corrected my original post ... I meant to say that I thought the NS975V on closeout was a great deal. There are threads on the Sony 70 and 90, and even though I haven't personally tested them, I think there are problems with them. The NS975V is a better unit in the low end Sony line. The Oppo is a nice unit, but may exhibit macroblocking on some monitors. The Samsung 850 is not as good as the Oppo or Sony units that we are discussing. The Panasonic S97 is also a nice player with a picture that is very similar to the Oppo.
Based on your comments, I would rank the options that I am familar with in this order: Sony NS975V, Panasonic S97, Oppo 971, Sony 70/90, Samsung 850/950. My advice don't worry about a cable or $50 or $100 on this purchase.
Trevor03
12-25-05, 03:49 PM
Hmm, interesting.
Unfortunately, the Sony NS975V and Panasonic S97 are too expensive for my tastes. With the DVD player, taxes, and HDMI cable purchase, I'm looking at well over $300 CAD, which is not what I wanna spend for a DVD player right now.
Even the Oppo will come out to around $300 after taxes, shipping, and duties (I live in Canada).
So for the price, and considering the fact that I'm just an average joe who is even impressed with uncalibrated non-progressive scan movies on my TV, the Samsung will more than fulfill my needs, since I'm looking at about $125 savings.
Sorry to disappoint. :p
shadowhawk2020
12-26-05, 12:07 PM
I am thinking of ordering the Samsung DVD-HD841, what should I know before I buy? I know there have been alot of problems with it, so if I order it what should I expect? I really will only be watching movies (no dvd music) and would like to hook it up through the DVI cable. Maybe there is a master list of problems/solutions for people thinking of ordering...
Thanks in advance,
Shadow
JeffD2.
12-26-05, 12:13 PM
Ditto on the list.
I just got the Sammy DVD-HD845. I put in couple hours reading here last night. Can anyone give a summary and help a brotha out? ;)
Thanks! :)
moxie1617
12-26-05, 12:35 PM
[QUOTE=shadowhawk2020]I am thinking of ordering the Samsung DVD-HD841, what should I know before I buy? I know there have been alot of problems with it, so if I order it what should I expect? I really will only be watching movies (no dvd music) and would like to hook it up through the DVI cable. Maybe there is a master list of problems/solutions for people thinking of ordering...
Thanks in advance,
Shadow[/QUOTE]
As soon as you get your player, download the firmware upgrade from Samsung's site and do the upgrade. That should eliminate most problems.
Apply the HDCP hack that allows you to upscale over component. Also, consider using component for your hookup if possible. It passes BTB over component but not over DVI.
One weird quirk is the players resume play memory. The easiest way to resume a movie is to just power off the player, don't press stop, don't eject the disk.
There is only one title that I have that it will not play - Lost in Space.
Otherwise you should be good to go.
Last, don't spend more than $100 for the player.
shadowhawk2020
12-26-05, 12:40 PM
[QUOTE=moxie1617]As soon as you get your player, download the firmware upgrade from Samsung's site and do the upgrade. That should eliminate most problems.
Apply the HDCP hack that allows you to upscale over component. Also, consider using component for your hookup if possible. It passes BTB over component but not over DVI.
One weird quirk is the players resume play memory. The easiest way to resume a movie is to just power off the player, don't press stop, don't eject the disk.
There is only one title that I have that it will not play - Lost in Space.
Otherwise you should be good to go.
Last, don't spend more than $100 for the player.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the quick response! I will order it today! Any other impressions of the player?
I apreciate the quick response.
thewall
12-26-05, 01:11 PM
I have an ancient Sony 10HT proj. and was wondeing if a HD950 would fit my needs. My proj. is 768P native. Will the component hack give me 768P? I also require a player that does Hi Res audio.
moxie1617
12-26-05, 01:53 PM
I can't speak with absolute certainty about the other Samsung models, but the 841 does not pass 768p over component after the hack is applied. When the 841 display indicates 768p, it is passing 480p.
JeffD2.
12-26-05, 05:09 PM
Component output on the HD845 does not work. It was connected to a Sony KV-36HS510 HDTV (4:3) with a native res of 1080i or so I've read.
I would get of couple of blips but that's it. I don't have a HDMI cable so I can't check that. The composite connection did work. Have to wonder if it's a compatibility issue or a bad player. There was no firmware update for this model on the Samsung website.
Chris Gerhard
12-26-05, 06:43 PM
[QUOTE=moxie1617]I can't speak with absolute certainty about the other Samsung models, but the 841 does not pass 768p over component after the hack is applied. When the 841 display indicates 768p, it is passing 480p.[/QUOTE]
The DVD-HD950 does not output 768p over component either.
Chris
asagarra
12-26-05, 06:58 PM
I've asked this in another post but..
Which of these 'new' Sammy players actually do output PAL 576i over HDMI?
I've read that DCDi enabled players can't and since it seems that different models have different upscaling chips....
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