Panasonic sa-xr50 owners thread

[gregoryperkins]

I bit the bullet and have things hooked up for the most part. I wanted a panasonic since I figured it would work better with my panasonic tv (pt53tw53), replay tv and rp62 dvd player.

I have a sa-3250hd connected via dvi with coax audio going to one of the coax inputs. The dvd goes into component and the audio to optical. I also have a zenith stb connected to component and to coax, that goes into the tv component inputs.

I'm not sure where I'll connect the replay tv. I thought that there was upconvert to component, but it doesn't seem to.

On a bizarre note, I have a cheapo amw-365 connected to it from another room. It is an av receiver/dvd. I have it set up like this so that I can have the same audio in both rooms. I had the amw connected to tape on the xr50, the amw was off. When I pushed the tape button, the radio came in... WTF! The amw is off. I turn the amw on, the radio goes away, since it defaults to dvd. Turn the radio on and I get radio in both rooms, turn it off, and I get radio on the xr50. Gotta love Chinese engineering.

Please post your experiences!

Greg

[eggman51]

Just finished hooking up my XR50.

I got it at Future Shop in Vancouver, Canada. Not necessarily the place I've bought AV equipment in the past, but I got a great deal on it through a connection.

I am replacing a Kenwood VR 2090 (my first HT receiver). I have 5.1 speakers, all Paradigms with an Infinity sub. I spent about $2000 CDN on the speakers 5 years ago. They still sound great to my ears, though likely I will buy some bigger fronts (which might necessitate replacing the center channel). The room my home theater is in now is a lot bigger than the room I was in when I bought the speakers.

Thus far I am ECSTATIC with the XR50. My Kenwood was dying and was causing a lot of problems with a recently completed HTPC (Home Theater PC).

It took me about 10 minutes to wire up the XR50 and about 10 minutes to get everything working. I only have one input, optical and the HTPC passes all signals (TV, PVR, DVD, Digital Audio) over the optical connection.

Thus far it sounds very good and I've done little tweaking on the config. Just super happy to have good sounding problem free audio from the HTPC. Previously the Kenwood got to the point that 48KHz processing was suffering from frequent audio signal drop outs, so for about a month we couldn't watch DVDs.

That was tough on me lol, I own over 600 DVDs and probably watch 2 or 3 movies a week. Not to mention that the fubar sound was causing the wife to associate all home entertainment problems to the HTPC hehe.

I've heard these receivers require "break in". I dunno if I buy it, but over the next couple of weeks I'll experiment with some of the options and run Video Essentials to get the system configured as best I can.

I've spent more money on a night out drinking beers with mates, so I'm pretty pleased with the XR50 thus far. Once I get it dialled in I am sure it will get better!

Eamonn

[gregoryperkins]

I just can't get anything to come out on the composite inputs... I get audio, but the video does not go through. It works when hooked to the tv directly and it's not a big deal since the xr50 isn't upconverting. I have to use a separate input anyway.

Greg

[hardwired]

The receiver does not require break in unlike a mechanical system (ie new car engine). Although it's possible the additional flexing of your woofers may break them in further mechanically particularly if they are relatively new.

[beowulf7]

Also check out this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=381506).

[gregoryperkins]

Check it for what? The pictures thread has gotten way too big. That's why I started this thread, so that you don't have to look through 20 pages of postings!

Greg

[Grayson73]

I'm loving my SA-XR50 as well.

What remastering effect are you guys using when in DPLII or stereo mode? I've been using effect 4, but can't really tell whether much difference between 1, 2, 3, or 4.

Do you guys even use the remastering?

Also, anyone tried the bass enhancer?

[beowulf7]

Originally posted by gregoryperkins
Check it for what? The pictures thread has gotten way too big. That's why I started this thread, so that you don't have to look through 20 pages of postings!

Greg
No one says you have to read all 19 pages of it. Many posters in that thread have asked something someone asked several pages ago and they didn't get ridiculed or chastised for not reading the prior x pages.

I'm just worried there will be tons of SA-XR50 threads in the same manner there were superfluous SA-XR45 threads late last year and early this year. :(

[gregoryperkins]

I have already read all 19 pages... I bought it around page 14. There's just too much discussion about other models and where to get it, but not much about using it.

What I was asking is if you were trying to point something out in the thread, or just making a general reference to the other post.

Greg

[rcmoto]

On my xr45, I dont use the effects. I'll take either DP II, or Neo 6 for TV, and when watching DVD's, if I have a choice, its either Ex or ES. Still loving it man.

[beowulf7]

Originally posted by gregoryperkins
I have already read all 19 pages... I bought it around page 14. There's just too much discussion about other models and where to get it, but not much about using it.

What I was asking is if you were trying to point something out in the thread, or just making a general reference to the other post.

Greg
I see. I was just making a general reference to that thread in case you did not see it (e.g. was not on page 1) when you started this thread. ;)

I'll take the blame in that thread for liberally mentioning the SA-XR70 in it. :p

[Jazz Khan]

I have a question, If you have choice between a brand new XR50 and a demo XR45 for the same price, which one would you pick?

[Grayson73]

Originally posted by Grayson73
I'm loving my SA-XR50 as well.

What remastering effect are you guys using when in DPLII or stereo mode? I've been using effect 4, but can't really tell whether much difference between 1, 2, 3, or 4.

Do you guys even use the remastering?

Also, anyone tried the bass enhancer?

Anyone?

[eggman51]

GRAYSON:

I am still experimenting with mine. I did try the settings a little bit, but not really had time to configure and tweak and listen enough to decide which, if any, I like the best.

I have my XR50 connected to an HTPC so I was glad to see that the remastering stuff was part of the 50 (previously only on the 45). I am going to experiment with it over the next couple of weeks and see if these modes are useful.

On my 5 year old Kenwood 2090 I found that the DSP modes were not to my liking.

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JAZZ:
The choice between and XR45 and XR50 at the same price is a tough call. A lot of the 45 features that were interesting to me made it into the 50. However I have no idea if the internals are the same.

There is a guy named "Wayne" who was mod'ing the XR45 by replacing some of the internal components. Apparently they got GREAT results by making a $700 mod to the $350 XR45 mostly because a lot of the internal parts were very high quality while at the same time some others were very low quality. By replacing the cheap stuff, they got great sound from the unit. Paying $700 to void the warranty on a $350 receiver is not for everyone, but he does appear to have a very good reputation.

More info here:
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/viewforum.php?f=11

(mostly referencing that because there may be discussion there about XR50 internals).

Myself... it would depend on what if any warranty the demo XR45 might come with and how does that compare to the XR50 warranty.

It would also depend on whether there was any features in the 45 that I wanted that were not available on the 50 (aside from possible internal components I can't think of any that were important to me).

I asked this same question to a connection from whom I ended up buying my XR50 from. He is basically a product manager for a large electronics retailer (so along the lines of a Best Buy sales person who has 15 years of experience...). I mean that sometimes these folks... do not have the most accurate information ;)

Anyways, he said that the XR30, 50 and 70 are second generation digital amplifiers and that Panasonic has made some minor tweaks to the pmanufacturing process that should result in improvements. Theoretically that holds up, but those improvements might mean cheaper components for lower MSRP.

Of note is that the XR50, generally considered the replacement for the XR25, retails for about $30 CDN LESS than the unit it is replacing ($399 CDN for the 50, $429 CDN for the 25). While at the same time adding quite a lot of new functionality. I can't see that being done out of the kindness of Panasonic's hearts... somewhere along the value chain some savings were made.

I think only an examination of the internals would indicate what may have changed and some blind listening tests would determine if those changes had a material impact on the sound quality.

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All that said, I'm really happy with my XR50. I should caveat that by saying my Kenwood 2090 was dying and causing me no end of problems when I connected it to my HTPC. The fact that the XR50 is working problem free is probably clouding my evaluation of the receiver hehe.

I will say that my 5 year old Kenwood appears to have come from Kenwood at a time when they were producing better quality gear than they are today. Although the unit eventually ran into technical problems, the 2 channel sound reproduction is very good .. I expected there to be more of a difference in quality between the XR50 and the 2090.

For 5.1 sound the XR50 is clearly superior, but for 2 channel stereo it's only marginally better (thhough the Kenwood has been tweaked and tuned and the XR50 has had little to no tweaking done as of yet).

Eamonn

[beowulf7]

eggman, you said:
"Of note is that the XR50, generally considered the replacement for the XR25, retails for about $30 CDN LESS than the unit it is replacing ($399 CDN for the 50, $429 CDN for the 25). While at the same time adding quite a lot of new functionality. I can't see that being done out of the kindness of Panasonic's hearts... somewhere along the value chain some savings were made. "

Well, instead of (or maybe in addition to) Panasonic cutting a couple corners to save on cost, they might have produced efficiencies or utilized economies of scale (buying these digital amplifers in more mass quantity than last year) that they wanted to pass the savings along to the customer (and at the same time, sell more units, which increases their bottom line). Maybe it's just wishful thinking :) and sorry for the run-on sentence :p.

[Jazz Khan]

good advices guys, but I am still hesitating to make a decision, what the heck its only couple of hundred $$$ :), I will let you guys know which one I went with

[gregoryperkins]

I keep getting overflow on the display when I am on TV. This occurs even when the volume is quite low. I have it hooked up via standard rca plugs. The stb via coax and the dvd via optical do not do this. Nothing happens, it just keeps flashing.

Has anyone else seen this?

Greg

[eggman51]

Originally posted by gregoryperkins
I keep getting overflow on the display when I am on TV. This occurs even when the volume is quite low. I have it hooked up via standard rca plugs. The stb via coax and the dvd via optical do not do this. Nothing happens, it just keeps flashing.

Has anyone else seen this?

Greg

BY overflow do you mean the unit is displaying "overload" on the LED then shutting down?

If so, then I have also experienced this, but when I set up the XR50 to have more "breathing space" around it .. the problem went away. So it appeared to be heat related. Originally I had my Motorola STB stacked on top of the XR50 and the heat from the Motorola was overheating the XR50.

If that's not it, I don't have any other ideas.

Eamonn aka eggman

[Bear]

Not a owner of XR-50 yet! but I just saw the new XR30 on Panasonic Canada site. It look likes stirped down version of XR50. But for 100 dollar difference, I will pass it and get XR50.

http://www.panasonic.ca/English/audiovideo/audio/hometheatre/saxr30.asp

[DBryant]

I have the Xr-50 coming today. It will be replacing a VSX-41 which I have sold. How do these compare to your previous receivers using AD converters? What are the biggest differences you notice?

Also, i could not find the answer on Pan web site but does it have an on-screen display?

[Grayson73]

No, it does not have on screen display.

[ROB968323]

I've got a quick XR50 question...

Do you have to connect it to a television to be able to control the audio settings or does the front panel display what is set?

I'd rather not send my video through the XR50 if I don't have to or would this create a sych problem?

Thanks,

Rob

[DBryant]

Just got it hooked up. Very nice unit. A tad less power than my VSX-41 but cleaner sound. I was skeptical as I never thought I would own a Panasonic. The imaging is better than the Pioneer. I wish it had an OSD and 6 channel stereo though.

[ABEX]

DBryant
I am in Maine also. I never thought I would get a Panny either. They are great for the $$ ,but I hope to get another reference system up for testing.

I will use Panasonic for an all Digital System for HT.

Great value and great sound for peanuts!

www.nearsota.com

[DBryant]

ABEX,

I live near Augusta (Winthrop). Been hear for most of my life. I compared it (XR-50) directly with a Pioneer VSX-41. Slightly, I mean very slightly less power. Much cleaner sound. To me, much better imaging and detail. Sounded more like the Yamaha 5590 i had but sound is still not as detailed. I paired the 50 with a Panny F87 and the 2 together take up less space than my previous receiver. The wife certainly appreciates that!

[gwlaw99]

Does the xr-50 have the same power cord problem as the old models?

[ABEX]

It seems all Digital Amps that come with the generic cords and even DVDP's will benefit from the use of an aftermarket PC. I think this is due to sheilding as the Digital amps will pick up more interference than other receivers.

The Digi Amps seem to be in a different league then their old A\AB counterparts.

BTW I am in No.Windham DBRYANT and one of the things I liked about these Digi Amps is the space savings also.

I bought a F65 DVDP in order to get rid of remotes and it does not seem to be better for Redbook CD's like my trusted Phillips CD-80 which I have had for 15yrs.. I do like the footprint and lack of using 4 different remotes by changing it out.

Larry

[SoftwireEngineer]

ROB968323,
The XR50 displays everything on the front panel.

BTW, the XR50 surely will perform better with an after-market power cord. I think it is mainly due to the switching power supplies. The power cord should not block the current when it is pulsed out. I have put an Empirical Audio Magnum power cord (used, for $125) on mine and I am enjoying audiophile quality sound. The source is a 963SA sending upsampled 192KHz/24bit data to the Panasonic. The source is very very important for the Panasonic. The digital cable should preferably be a glass toslink (and it is cheap).

[gregoryperkins]

I found some info on the overflow in another thread and in the manual. It has to do with non-digital inputs. I have to turn off the a/d attenuator and it should stop. Here is the text from the manual;

Turn the A/D attenuator on if
“OVERFLOW” lights frequently
when using 2-channel analog
input or DVD ANALOG 6CH input.

Greg

[ABEX]

Sftwr Eng., how you doing.

I used Glass Toslink,an expensive one which has been touted by those that follow them, also with a F65 DVDP and it still does not do as good with Redbook stuff as my other player. Just using a stock 16bit Phillips with COAX sounded better to me. I still like the convenience of the F65 though and it will be used for my HT setup.

I once had a conversation with someone that studied the effects of Glass and they stated that it does not matter weather it is a $5 or $500 cable ,you do not get an improvement. It should sound the same. Have you tried different ones?

I did not test the cables to see so I do not know as far as having a personal opinion.

One of the reasons I do not sell COAX and some other cables is that the differences should not be as great as when using or testing Analog Cables such as Speaker Cables and IC's.


Just thinking!

[Grayson73]

Can someone recommend a good power cord for the SA-XR50 for under $100?

[SoftwireEngineer]

ABEX/NearSota,
I'm fine thank you. It is really frustrating when even digital cables make a difference. I wanted an all digital setup because, the ICs were impacting the sound a lot. One of the reasons, I want an all-in-one like what Alex/APL Hifi is working on.
I do not know much about glass toslink but the one I tried seemed to have an edge over the coax. There was much separation between the male vocals/bass/drums. The coax seems to have more details, but the lack of separation in the frequency spectrum makes me wonder whether it is just noise/jitter or whatever. Moreover, I sending much higher frequencies (192Khz) so I am sticking to the glass toslink. It also, depends how good a transmitter you have on the source.
Maybe you should offer a power cord for devices which do not have a ground. A four-wire star-quad connected cord without shielding would help. Or if you are using a shield, space it away from the conductors. Looks like there would be a good market for this, if you offer it for $75 including the IEC adapter.

Grayson, checkout Flavor 2 from venhaus1.com or talk to ABEX.

I am waiting for the XR70. I will get that modded while I am using the xr50 and then sell the xr50 off. I have efficient speakers and with CDs I am not even into -40db with my xr50. I do like my xr50, but the xr70 is attractive for the digital connection for DVD-A with the matching panasonic dvd player.

[jerndl]

I'm considering a XR50 and am fairly sure that the audio capability will meet my needs. I am more concerned about a few other features and would appreciate any help from XR50 owners:

1. Is anyone using the s-video monitor out? Is there any signal degradation vs. using a direct connection?

2. Does the unit have discrete on/off and discrete source selection capability? I will be using an after market remote (pronto and/or OFA JP1 remote).

3. Are there any other "usability quirks" that I should be aware of?

4. Does the unit have a fan? Is it noisy or does it get unusually hot?

I am also considering a XR25 or XR45. Is there any reason (other than the specific feature differences) to pick one over the other. Thanks in advance for the help.

Jay

[ABEX]

Sftwr Eng
I started to do research into what I would like for a PC last year. For the altermate PC I would use Pure Ag ,but the price for say 10ft. of 10AWG Ag would be quite expensive.
Then there are the Ag connectors I want to use which are rather expensive.
I will cut corners to get the right combo to bring down cost for a Pure Ag PC.

I am against using Sheilding for IC's and Speaker Cables as I have found that it tends to cut the High Freqs which totally degrades the presentation. I like to hear the sparkle of metallic instraments and vocals that are are said to be almost in the room live.

I will be doing research into PC's soon and I will have to bend alittle and offer a PC that is inexpensive ,but which also competes with those that are many times it's price.

Grayson:
Bob Crumps Design which you can find at AA\Cables works well. For a little more you can buy a PC from Wayne at Bolder Cables.
Another option is to buy a generic PC fron Parts Express which works using Carol Cable and good Connectors.

Just to let you know any sheilded PC that you substitue for the stock cord will improve the presentation dramaticly. You can get an adaptor through a place in Canada for a few $$.

Good luck!

[Jazz Khan]

that place in canada is http://www.takefiveaudio.com :) and no I dont work for them :)

[ABEX]

Thanks JAZZ. My mind can only remember so much!

And I believe you,but if you did I'd ask why the S&H cost was so much for a small part.

I got my adaptor someplace else.

Larry

[Jazz Khan]

I ordered power cable, power connectors and IEC adaptor, and they are charging me $8.95 CAD, I think thats fair, but I dont know how much they charge if you order only IEC adapter.

[andrew jc]

Hey ABEX I found one place that sell the IEC adaptor for $20. Do you have a source that is cheaper?

[Grayson73]

Originally posted by Jazz Khan
I ordered power cable, power connectors and IEC adaptor, and they are charging me $8.95 CAD, I think thats fair, but I dont know how much they charge if you order only IEC adapter.

Jazz,

Can you provide links exactly what you bought? Have you tried it out? If so, what differences have you noticed?

[Grayson73]

Are these good cables? Are there any differences between these?

Zu Birth Power Cable (http://www.zucable.com/birth/index.html)


AudioQuest NRG-1 (http://www.audioquest.com)

NBS Power Cable (http://www.nbscables.com/products/cables.html)

Sonic Horizon Daybreak (http://www.sonichorizon.com/pc-daybreak.html)

[SoftwireEngineer]

Answers to Jay,

1) I dont know what you mean by s-video monitor. But both my DVD player and Dish receiver's s-video are connected to the Panny and the s-video out is connected to the TV. I did not notice any signal direction at all.

2) discrete on/off., source selection - I dont know what you mean again. But you can switch the panny off (to standby mode) or select a source using the remote.

3) Usability quirks - The Panny does not have a on-screen display. It only displays it on the front panel. Certain effects can only be done using the front panel buttons (atleast I havent figured out how to use the remote yet, I guess\)

4) It does not have a fan. It gets a bit warm, but not hot.

Why chose Xr50 over Xr25 or XR45 ? XR50 is a newer generation and supposedly sounds somewhere in between XR25 and XR45 in stock form. XR45 is not available or difficult to get as it is being replaced by the XR70, which is not available yet. This is the reason I bought the XR50

Re: Power cords,
ABEX, my take on conductor material for the power cord - it matters, but only so much. It is the way in which the +, - and ground conductors interact (because of the way they are braided together) which influences the inductance/capacitance of the power cord. Please get up to speed on Zu, Empirical Audio design philosophies on these. I trust these two companies a lot. Actually, Zu even lists the electrical engg design software they use.

Grayson,
I have the Davbreak, it is good but not great. It is easily beaten by the venhaus flavor 2. I dont know about NBS and Audioquest. But I am pretty sure Zu Birth is a very good cable.

[NightRain]

The 25 was replaced by the 30.
The 45 was replaced by the 50.
The 70 is an all new model.
Notice the nomenclature and this has been confirmed by Panasonic engineers so please get your facts straight.

[Jazz Khan]

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Jazz,

Can you provide links exactly what you bought? Have you tried it out? If so, what differences have you noticed?

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I ordered following items:

Cable: Belden 19364 3 x 14 AWG with shield 6fts----------- $11.70
Plug: Marinco 15a 125v Plug -------------------------------------$8.49
Female: Schurter 4300.0603 IEC Female -------------------------$10.95
Adaptor: Cyro Treated C8 to C13 adapter ------------------------$8.95
Shiping and handling --------------------------------------------------$5.50

Note all prices are in Canadian funds, I just ordered couple of days ago, so I havent received yet. the link is:
http://www.takefiveaudio.com

[andrew jc]

Jazz Kahn, Don't you need to get the polarized version (squared off end)?

[ABEX]

Andrew
I recieved mine last year from a source that stopped selling. As a Manufacture I had the advantage of trading Cables in order to get stuff for less and sometimes nothing.

Sorry cannot be more help!
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Sftwr Eng
I try to read so much before my eyes and time are burned up. Alot has to do ith the Incoming AC also and connectors used. Ag being the best conductor will always be the best material to use.

There is also cost factor involved which I wish to be competitive to be far under the price of others.

[SoftwireEngineer]

"..so please get your facts straight. "
Well..we dont know the above for sure. It is only unofficial accounts we have so far. I am aware of all the speculations on this. I equated XR50 to the XR25 because both do not have the voltage controlled power supply as the XR45 (this based on an account by a techie - Wayne@boldercables.com).
hmm, I guess in these forums politeness and humility are not so common, I think. I hope you understand I dont shoot from the hip..I very rarely shoot and will take my time to aim and plan my shot.

ABEX, good luck with your power cord design. If you need somebody to beta test, I can help. I also have a minor in electrical engg (major in CS), so know something about this field (see my moniker).

[ABEX]

These froums should be used diplomaticly as some take them to vent anger for what they beileve. Others want to nit nic everything or every judgement or eval as being hereasy.

People do get things wrong and make mistakes unless they think of themshelves as gods!

Being into cables I take a lot of stuff from there is no difference camp which I respect ,but for myself and others that do hear differences between cables that does not give people the right to hang us or batter us for what we hear.

Hey,some love BOSE! That is their choice and I can live with that.

Mistakes can be made and those that make them should not be tarred and feathered I think, but diplomaticly corrected.

Just thinking!

[JohnnyG]

Why spend so much on the power cord when you can't control the quality of the wiring INSIDE the walls of your house? Or the power going into your house in the first place? How is one 6 foot section of power cord going to improve on those other factors? "Weakest link" sure, but where is that?? If there were current issues with the factory power cord, then the resistance would cause the cord to get warm to the touch. Does it?

This is like spending $300 on video cables, only to open the back of a TV and find that the last 6 inches the video signal must travel does so over cheap and tiny wire! Top quality gold connectors on the cables, cheap tin connectors on the display!

Stop the insanity!

(just my humble opinion, of course ;))

[jerndl]

Originally posted by SoftwireEngineer
Answers to Jay,

2) discrete on/off., source selection - I dont know what you mean again. But you can switch the panny off (to standby mode) or select a source using the remote.
Thanks for the help. Discrete on/off means that there are 2 separate commands, one for "off" and the other for "on", as opposed to an on/off toggle. Discrete source selection means that there are separate commands to select each source (i.e. TV,DVD,VCR,CD, etc.) as opposed to a single source selection command that select the "next" source. Discrete commands are very useful for creating remote control macros because they will always work regardless of the current "state" the equipment is. Fortunately many devices will respond to discrete commands even though the original remote cannot send them. After looking at the original remote it looks like there is discrete source selection but only on/off toggle for power. I also looked at a couple of remote control sites and it appears that there are codes available for discrete on/off. Thanks again.

Jay

[Jazz Khan]

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Jazz Kahn, Don't you need to get the polarized version (squared off end)?

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are you talking about adaptor? I think its already polorized.

[DBryant]

Just curious...People are bringing up $700 and $1000 mods to these receivers. Aside from the power cords, what other changes are being made? Are they truly woth it?

[Grayson73]

Originally posted by JohnnyG
Why spend so much on the power cord when you can't control the quality of the wiring INSIDE the walls of your house? Or the power going into your house in the first place? How is one 6 foot section of power cord going to improve on those other factors? "Weakest link" sure, but where is that?? If there were current issues with the factory power cord, then the resistance would cause the cord to get warm to the touch. Does it?

This is like spending $300 on video cables, only to open the back of a TV and find that the last 6 inches the video signal must travel does so over cheap and tiny wire! Top quality gold connectors on the cables, cheap tin connectors on the display!

Stop the insanity!

(just my humble opinion, of course ;))

This makes sense to me. ABEX, Software Engineer, do you have any comments?

[SoftwireEngineer]

The fact that wire is modeled as a conductor with negligible resistance in simple electrical engg calculations is just a simplifying assumption. In fact, it should be modeled as network with R, L and C. The audiophile cable industry in one of the most maligned section of this field, but it is also one area which has contributed to a good understanding of conductors/materials now and their influence on the sound of an audio setup.
Looks like most people here are focussed on AV setup rather than sound quality alone like in audioasylum.com. Google for 'Jon Risch' to read his writings on the effects of cable.
Actually, house wiring also matters. Many people install a dedicated line for audio. If you guys really wanted to KNOW more about this, I will continue to write.

[rha61]

hi


For my Panny 45 , i only twisted 2 CAT5e FTP cables for try , and the shield is connected to the ground ( wall side ) , my length is 2m
you have then many possibility :
for example one polarity per cable , or two for each pair of strand , the acoustic result is not the same on the Panny
i prefer one polarity per cable
the Panny with it is simply amazing , i can compare it with my Accuphase E307

Alain

[ABEX]

I advocate not spending a lot on PC's and cables,but they do make an effective difference. If you are spending more than $100-$200 for a PC it's to much IMO.

Some will cost more because the quality of Connectors and wires are costly. See what 10ft. 10AWG Ag cost and you will know why some cost more. Some connectors go for over $100. Are they worth it is the question. For some people they are morre than worth it.

As far as the electrical wiring in a house it would be nice to have dedicated lines for everything,but that is not a viable solution. What an aftermarket PC will do is eliminate the cause of Interference while giving better conductivity of what is coming from the wall.

I have only changed the Outlets to higher quality ones and change PC's that are small gauged generic ones to higher quality ones.

With Wires I have found that connectors matter as much as the wires themselves.

I have tested my AC from the Outlets and it varies between 115v-124v(from memory) and I can notice the differences when they are happening becasue the sound to my system will change. All the affordable AC Regulators\Filters\PowerPlants\Stabilizers I have tried make the problem worst because they add their own dimension to the sound. To buy a good one cost as much as a quality component which I am not will to take a chance on because I do not have references to compare them to.

Anyway it does make a difference and I do not believe you need to pay more than what the unit is worth to get better sound.

Just thinking!

[beowulf7]

Originally posted by NightRain
The 25 was replaced by the 30.
The 45 was replaced by the 50.
The 70 is an all new model.
Notice the nomenclature and this has been confirmed by Panasonic engineers so please get your facts straight.
That's what a Panasonic CSR told me, too. But I don't think she knew what she was talking about. The XR45 is superior to the XR50 in at least a few ways, such as better amp in the XR45 and gold-plated connectors for the XR45, which the XR50 lacks.

[Neild]

Originally posted by jerndl
I'm considering a XR50 and am fairly sure that the audio capability will meet my needs. I am more concerned about a few other features and would appreciate any help from XR50 owners:

1. Is anyone using the s-video monitor out? Is there any signal degradation vs. using a direct connection?

2. Does the unit have discrete on/off and discrete source selection capability? I will be using an after market remote (pronto and/or OFA JP1 remote).

3. Are there any other "usability quirks" that I should be aware of?

4. Does the unit have a fan? Is it noisy or does it get unusually hot?

I am also considering a XR25 or XR45. Is there any reason (other than the specific feature differences) to pick one over the other. Thanks in advance for the help.

Jay

#1 - Sorry, no experience using the S-video
#2 - Yes the XR50 accepts discrete on/off and input sources.
#3 - I find a few things quirky. I'm used to 'smarter' receivers that remember all your settings for *each* source. This Panasonic remembers a limited number of such things. For example it knows I like 4 channel SFC mode for TV input and Digital-Auto for DVD input - but it doesn't remember your volume preference on the different sources. Mute is not progressive, it's all or nothing. Also, once you hit mute, you can only un-mute by pressing the mute key on the remote. I'm used to receivers that 'wake up' from muting when you adjust the volume. This is my least favorite thing I'd say.
I also feel a bit limited by the 2/2 digital inputs. Other non-digital receivers seem to offer more flexibility.
And those speaker clips are as annoying as they are low quality.
Lastly the front panel display on xr25/45 is terrible, it's like a 1980's calculator display. The display on xr50 is more attractive but this mirrored and angular faceted design of Panasonic 2004 is not my taste. If you have the receiver up high on a shelf like I do you'll notice the display is not well visible above eye level. Lastly the remote is not lighted despite the specs calling it an "LED" remote, whatever that is. These are the 'quirks', now keep in mind I retired some heavy old iron amps due to the superior sound quality and I'm living with the quirks.

#4 - XR25/45 have a fan that pulses under load. It won't bother you, since it only kicks in when loud noises are playing so the only time you'll hear it is for 1 second after your loud sound before it cuts off. It definitely keeps the xr25/45 rather cool. The XR50 has no obvious fan but runs hotter.

A did a more lengthy review of xr25 vs xr45 vs xr50 but here's the summary:
xr25 - nearly a twin of xr45, I could not find much audible difference despite the missing internal components. More available and nice $ savings for this unit. No on-screen monitor if you care, and a couple of other small features missing from xr45 that are well documented.

xr45 - probably the best sounding, front panel display and menu controls remind me of a high school science project. Has 3 opt/1 coax input and on-screen monitor

I would bet not many audiophiles could tell the diff between xr25 & xr50 blindfolded unless there's some special setup or condition I could not test or find.

xr50 - sounds 'different' than the xr25/45 twins. Amateur listeners that I blind tested always prefered the xr50, probably due to more of a 'prescence' type effect. The sound situations where I did not prefer xr50 were in mid-high range listening only (no sub, little bass) and with very clear acoustic/vocal sounds. XR50 has superior front panel and menu, and has 2 opt/2 coax inputs. Same crummy speaker clips though.

Choose your main need:
- great sound ----> XR45
- nice sound but on a budget -----> XR25
- balance of user friendliness, appearance, and sound ----> XR50

[Neild]

Originally posted by beowulf7
That's what a Panasonic CSR told me, too. But I don't think she knew what she was talking about. The XR45 is superior to the XR50 in at least a few ways, such as better amp in the XR45 and gold-plated connectors for the XR45, which the XR50 lacks.

There's no real 'facts' here, just people's impressions of what unit replaces what unit. One Panasonic Canada rep sent and email indicating xr50 replaces xr25, xr30 replaces xr15, and xr70 will replace xr45.

It probably doesn't matter. I would say xr25 is like a XR45jr and xr50 is it's own beast. It looks different and sounds audibly different. XR70 is supposed to have HDMI which makes it not fair to say it's an update of XR45. For all we know it may be compromised in terms of audio when it does come out, who knows.

One thing that you could look at for guidance are the Panasonic Canada catalogs:

2003 - list xr15 as entry level 50W model, xr 25 & 45 as 100W/ch models

2004 - list xr30 as entry level 100Wx5ch model, xr50 & 70 as 100Wx6ch models

[Grayson73]

For those of you with the SA-XR50, do you guys use the remastering effects? If so, which one (1, 2, 3, or 4) do you use for DVDs, CDs, and watching TV?

[jerndl]

Neild,

Thanks for the detailed and informative response. I went ahead and ordered the XR50 and should get it tomorrow. It seems like a pretty good deal at $240.

Jay

[Jazz Khan]

I use remaster effect 1, but I am not sure if any of those effects make any audible difference, I didnt notcice any or maybe its too subtle.

[DBryant]

O.k. I have had the XR50 for 1 week. I have been reading the posts here and at other forums on the pc mod. How much does this really affect the sound quality? If I spend the money, will I hear a difference?

Also, what is the cheapest route to do this. I have been looking at the iec adaptors and some are 50 to 60 dollars. Seems alot for an adaptor. If it will truly make an improvement i would consider it.

[beowulf7]

Originally posted by Neild
There's no real 'facts' here, just people's impressions of what unit replaces what unit. One Panasonic Canada rep sent and email indicating xr50 replaces xr25, xr30 replaces xr15, and xr70 will replace xr45.

It probably doesn't matter. I would say xr25 is like a XR45jr and xr50 is it's own beast. It looks different and sounds audibly different. XR70 is supposed to have HDMI which makes it not fair to say it's an update of XR45. For all we know it may be compromised in terms of audio when it does come out, who knows.

One thing that you could look at for guidance are the Panasonic Canada catalogs:

2003 - list xr15 as entry level 50W model, xr 25 & 45 as 100W/ch models

2004 - list xr30 as entry level 100Wx5ch model, xr50 & 70 as 100Wx6ch models
I understand what you're saying. Only after the XR70 is released and we know exactly what its specs are and how it looks, can we more accurately determined what is the replacement for what.

This might be a moot point for me, however, since I just ordered the Kenwood VRS-7100 receiver. I'm hoping that it's on par to what the SA-XR70 will be when it is released.

[JohnnyG]

Actually, house wiring also matters. Many people install a dedicated line for audio.
But they usually use regular everyday household wiring (that white jacketed stuff running out of your fuse box) to do this. Your power cord cost $100 for 6 feet...how much to run that stuff from my fuse box to the socket for my A/V equipment?!

Why not just use that standard white house wiring for your power cord? Since it's the same as the stuff in the walls, you aren't losing anything, and it's dirt cheap! How can using "better" than that improve anything?

[JohnnyG]

For my Panny 45 , i only twisted 2 CAT5e FTP cables for try
There is a very specific number of 'twists' per foot in network cabling. Did you follow this rule when you made this power cord?

What's the net guage of the 8 strands in a CAT5e cable?

[jerndl]

Originally posted by JohnnyG
But they usually use regular everyday household wiring (that white jacketed stuff running out of your fuse box) to do this. Your power cord cost $100 for 6 feet...how much to run that stuff from my fuse box to the socket for my A/V equipment?!

Why not just use that standard white house wiring for your power cord? Since it's the same as the stuff in the walls, you aren't losing anything, and it's dirt cheap! How can using "better" than that improve anything? So true. Most people (even those with "dedicated" circuits) are using normal 14-2 (possibly 12-2) romex wire. Other than aesthetics, I don't see how you do any better than putting decent connectors on 14-2 romex wire. The only benefit I can see in replacing the PC is if the original wire is not of sufficient gauge or the connectors are extremely poorly made. I do have a somewhat open mind, but I just can't see how a high end power cord can make a audible difference considering the "regular" house wiring that is used before you get to the high end PC.

Jay

[Grayson73]

Originally posted by Jazz Khan
I use remaster effect 1, but I am not sure if any of those effects make any audible difference, I didnt notcice any or maybe its too subtle.

I'm using remaster effect 4 on everything. I notice that when watching tv without the remaster effect on, it's at 48khz and with it on, it's at 96khz.

Has anyone figured out what these remaster effects do and if they should be used?

[rha61]

the power cord sound is not a gauge problem
the CAT5 has 4 pair of twisted AWG24 strands = 1.6mm² (AWG15)
it's enough if you listen at decent level

A few months ago i was sceptical about CD drive sound
I own a High-end CD player (Yba ) and a DVD player ( Philips 963sa)
The YBA with the Panny digital input has deep and tight bass with slam , the Philips has not
How to explain that ?!

It's the same problem for the PC , the ear precedes the theory

[rha61]

jerndl , maybe you have to consider the power cord as a component like a capacitor or a self , at the end of the house wiring

[Jazz Khan]

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I'm using remaster effect 4 on everything. I notice that when watching tv without the remaster effect on, it's at 48khz and with it on, it's at 96khz.

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yeah that what it does, it upsample to double, but soundwise I didnt hear any difference with or without it.
effect 4 supposed to be for compressed media like mp3 etc, and it supposed to add some ambience to the track.

[SoftwireEngineer]

rha61,
you mean your CD player has a digital input (like a DAC) ?
Interesting that the digital input from 963SA is very good. By any chance, is it upsampled data ? I am running 192/24 into my Panny from the 963SA myself. The Panny standalone did not sound good at this rate - it was getting hazy/murky but with the Panny it has an opposite effect. The sound seems to get a bit sharper and the bass tighter.

[Michaelm]

I've compared the JVC RX-ES1SL Costco special ($199) with my Panasonic XR-50. Keep in mind that while both are digital amps, the JVC is not 24/96 capable. On the other hand, it weighs quite a bit more than the XR-50, so perhaps it has better power supplies and other parts. The source I used for the comparison is a Pioneer Elite DV-45A, while the speakers used are Linn Katans with a Tannoy subwoofer. I only listened in stereo mode, and to just a couple of CDs: Steely Dan's latest and an audiophile production of John Previti (acoustic jazz) on the Mapleshade label - vibes, piano, vocals, guitar, bass and drums. The latter is an excellent acid test disc for musicality. Also, I did not play either at extremely high levels. Both the JVC and the Panasonic sounded very good considering the cost ($200 - $300). The JVC actually had a richer lower midrange, which made male voices sound quite nice. It was smooth and relatively neutral. The Panasonic was more open and detailed in general, especially in the upper half of the register. It also sounded a little more focussed. In comparison to the JVC, it was a little leaner, but not bright (at least with my Linn speakers). No glare, grain or hash in either. Really amazing given the low price of these digital units. (By the way, both sounded better than a Pioneer Elite 41, a decent, $400-$500 traditional analogue design unit.)
I'm keeping the XR-50 for my little bedroom HT system, while the JVC will be used with my little computer surround system. I might next try the new Kenwood 7100 digital receiver.

[DBryant]

Helllo,

i have a new XR50 arriving today. could not find any answers for may be problems with the one I currently have. Aside from the isues of of the all speakers set to large in NEO 6 and not getting a signal to my sub, another question.

I n "Party" mode, I only get a very faint sound out of the center. Is this mode 6 channel stereo? Should there be sound coming from the center? Thanks

I will compare the new receiver tonight. Otherwise still very impressed with the sound!

[tsnigg]

Originally posted by DBryant

I n "Party" mode, I only get a very faint sound out of the center. Is this mode 6 channel stereo? Should there be sound coming from the center? Thanks



This happens on my XR45 in "party" mode also. I think that is how the mode was designed. That's why I'm confused when people talk about bi-amping speakers using this receiver in this mode. I would think if its sending signal to the center also then you're not getting true bi-amp situation.

Todd

[DBryant]

I agree. I think it sounds better without the center in "Party" mode, but the directions with the Panny are terrible, and it is hard to tell how some of the features are supposed to function.

[SoftwireEngineer]

DBryant,
I think you can use the A-B speaker setting to bi-amp the speakers. The Manual says when both are selected A&B, the sound comes only from the Front A and B speaker terminals, ie. no output on the surround speaker terminals, which means the surround amplifier channels are used to drive the B speaker terminals.
Give it a shot and let us know. I even might reterminate my speaker cables to biamp at the amp end as well, if this works out. I have no time to check these out, as by the time, I go home, my 3 yr old son would only allow me to play with him or watch cartoons on my combined TV/audio setup.

[sethwas]

Originally posted by JohnnyG
But they usually use regular everyday household wiring (that white jacketed stuff running out of your fuse box) to do this. Your power cord cost $100 for 6 feet...how much to run that stuff from my fuse box to the socket for my A/V equipment?!

Hmm,
I'm wondering if a power conditioner at the home AC plug to a fancy 6' power chord to a receiver makes a difference.

Seth

[ABEX]

SETHWAS
Anytime you you introduce another electrical component in the chain,including a PowerConditioner, it will carry a certain signature.

I have tried several Home Computer Power Connditioner's and Surge Protectors and each time the sound will change.

Another thing you can do is go to RatShack and buy a Watt meter and see weather it drops or spikes ahead and weather that changes the persentation of what you are listening to.

Now I can tell when there is Brown or Dirty AC by the sound of my system. At some points I get totally distracted by the change and wait for another time to listen.

When things become sterile I check to see what the Watt meter says.

Those are my findings.

Good luck!

[rha61]

Originally posted by tsnigg
This happens on my XR45 in "party" mode also. I think that is how the mode was designed. That's why I'm confused when people talk about bi-amping speakers using this receiver in this mode. I would think if its sending signal to the center also then you're not getting true bi-amp situation.

Todd

in Party mode , the Panny45 or 50 adds a little echo with a delay of 10ms to the 4ch signals , visible with a scope
also the bandwidth is not linear with more bass on the front channels
To biamp or triamp with the 45 ( and maybe the 50) , you have to do a little mod inside

rha

[SoftwireEngineer]

rha61, I have biamped with XR50, using the A-B speaker terminals. As I posted earlier, when both A and B speaker outputs are selected, the surround and center channels do not work (according to the manual). I guess the surround amplifiers are now used for the B speaker terminal output.
I just connected it this morning and I think I notice perceptible change in the sound. At the same volume, the bass seems 'harder' and the sound is more 3D. Tape hiss in CDs made from analog masters is much noticeable. Overall, the sound is more 'powerful'. I think the XR50 used in biamp mode with a good power cord, is an amazing value as an integrated amp. Note, there is a separate terminal for speakers B. Once can use the XR50 in biamp mode in stereo and in 6.1 mode for home-theatre.
I doubt any $1K Integrated Amp can beat the sound of the XR50, not to mention the fact that one only needs to feed it digital signal vs a high quality analog signal for an Int. Amp (probably another $.5 - $1K cost).
I will not be buying another analog amplifier in the future !!!!!!!!!!!!

[rha61]

effectively these Panny saxr series are very impressive if used properly and require us to try better cables and CD transport ...
are you sure B terminals are connected to the surround amps ?
if yes that's a good news
Anyway , passive-biamping is a good thing but not so important if your woofer is filtered (by a coil)

rha

[DBryant]

Saw Best buy has the new Kenwood VRS-7100 for $400. Considering the cost and performance, are there any other digital receivers better than the Panny's?

[SoftwireEngineer]

rha61, I am positive, the speaker B terminal output is produced using the surround channel amps. The extra power is very noticeable.

DBryant, alan, admin of the Amps forum here seems to like the Kenwood more than the higher priced HK DPR2005. The Kenwood uses TI chips like the Panasonic, so I am expecting the sound to be similar. The power supply, quality of parts might make a difference either way. Considering, that I now biamp using the surround channel/speaker B output with my XR50, for a stereo person there is no better value, @ $250. But then again I have not heard the Kenwood.

[DBryant]

SoftwireEngineer,

Thanks. I was trying to get a read on the differences of the Kenwood compared to the Panny. I like the aluminum face plate but could not guess what would bring about the much higher cost. Dolby PLIIX?

[beowulf7]

Originally posted by DBryant
Saw Best buy has the new Kenwood VRS-7100 for $400. Considering the cost and performance, are there any other digital receivers better than the Panny's?
I didn't know that BB started selling that Kenwood receiver. :cool: I just bought the VRS-7100 for my folks last week and set it up during the holiday weekend. So far, I'm impressed with it. :D

We used to have a (defective) SA-XR45S that we returned back in late Jan./ early Feb. The Kenwood seems to play cleaner (no hiss) vs. the Panasonic that had a hiss. The hiss was most noticeable for the 6th channel, so that's why we returned it.

As SoftWire mentioned, there's the H/K 2005 (and 1005) that are supposed to have the "Lexus" of digital amplifers. Well, at least H/K is charging a Lexus-like price for them. I assume the 2005 would be the best - there's a 6+ page thread floating in this forum that discusses (a) review(s).

BTW, if you do want to buy the Kenwood, I'd recommend buying through J&R or Vanns to avoid tax. Also, you can buy from J&R for at least $50 off the $400 price you mentioned. We got ours relatively inexpensively since J&R matched Vanns' price. :)

[DBryant]

J&R is a great place to buy from. I saw the Kenwood at Best Buy's web site. You would have to pay the full $400. I know it can be had for cheaper!

I have the 50 but may opt for the 70 as I am begining to wish I had PLIIX.

[wje]

BTW, if you do want to buy the Kenwood, I'd recommend buying through J&R or Vanns to avoid tax. Also, you can buy from J&R for at least $50 off the $400 price you mentioned. We got ours relatively inexpensively since J&R matched Vanns' price.
Actually, you can get it for much, much below the MSRP price if you check some of the vendors under Yahoo shopping.

[beowulf7]

Originally posted by wje
Actually, you can get it for much, much below the MSRP price if you check some of the vendors under Yahoo shopping.
That's true - one can find this Kenwood receiver for closer to $300 than $400. But many times, those Yahoo vendors are not "authorized", which is an important criterion for many buyers.

[wje]

But many times, those Yahoo vendors are not "authorized", which is an important criterion for many buyers.
Is Kenwood clamping down on the "authorized" vendors purchases like Denon and others have been?

[DBryant]

J&R is authorized for many of their receivers, not sure about Kenwood. They would price match. I would consider them for any on-line purchase.

[beowulf7]

Originally posted by wje
Is Kenwood clamping down on the "authorized" vendors purchases like Denon and others have been?
Not that I know of (BTW, add Hsu to that list (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=417859) of paranoid manufacturers). But some, including me, feel more comfortable when buying through an authorized retailer/e-tailer.

I assumed J&R was an authorized vendor for Kenwood like they are for so many other brands. But I never confirmed this - just assumed it. :o

[wje]

J&R has been great to deal with. I'd doubt that they'd care to hurt their relationship with the many vendors out there selling items without being authorized.

At one time, I asked the salesperson if they'd sell an RX-V series receiver via mail order and was told a firm NO.

[vishal]

I hate to bring this thread back from the dead, but I just recently purchased an XR50 and have a quick question.

Most receivers, including the HK AVR330 I had before this panny, will not send any signal (besides the .1 channel) to the subwoofer if you have set all of your speakers to large. Some receivers allow you to set the sub output to Main+LFE which sends bass normally destined for the two front speakers to both the fronts and the sub.

The XR50 has no such setting for the subwoofer itself. However, if I have my mains set to large and am listening to music in stereo, the subwoofer does indeed get signal.

So my question is, has anyone figured out if this applies to all of the channels or just the mains? Meaning, if I set all of my speakers to large, will the bass signal be sent to the sub for all of the channels or is it just for the mains?

[DBryant]

Went through the same issue. I even bought a second 50 to do comparisons. You can use the mains and surrounds to large and still have the sub receive the signal. If you set the center and the mains to large, you will not get a signal to the sub unless you are using a source with a dedicated LFE track.

[vishal]

Thanks DB.

I was thinking about how to test this and came up with the following method: I can use a standard stereo output (say from a CD player, or my laptop), and plug one rca connector into one of the direct 6ch inputs. Then I can play some bass heavy source material and alternate small/large settings for each speaker and see what comes through the sub and what doesn't.

The things we do... ;)

[Grayson73]

DBryant is correct. I have my mains and rears set to large and my center set to small.

[referee]

Hello,
Just took delivery on a new XR50 and wanted to pass along a little info. From reading threads about this receiver I expected all of the speaker terminals to be spring clips and found that mine had 4 - 4mm plugs(banana plugs I believe they're called) The 4 plugs are used for L&R on the front A terminals. The rest of the speaker terminals looked a lot like spring clips but were more of a small gauge clamp which didn't give me the impression that they were spring loaded. The antenna clips were definitely spring loaded.

-ref

[vishal]

Aka,

I have straight pins from RS and they do indeed fit in there just fine. The clip might not snap down completely, but the wires do stay put. Just don't go shaking it around ;)

[M Code]

Originally posted by AkaStp
I had posted this on a different thread but its probably more applicable here...

Need to vent (sorry!)...

The center and surround speaker connectors on the XR-50 really suck! They don't accomodate Monster 14-16 gauge speaker cable at all well. Even if you can eventually persuade overstripped, tightly twisted cable into the undersized holes, its hard to get them to actually stay in there as they keep pulling out. Whoever at Panasonic designed these stupid connectors should be taken out back and geiven a severe beating! Didn't they think to test those connectors with halfway decent speaker cable? I mean its not like I'm using heavy 8-12 gauge cable! I'm wondering if solid (straight or angled) pins from Radio Shack or Monster will work if applied to the ends of the cables? Anyone tried that? Do they work?

Keep in mind that the Panasonic XR receivers are selling for an average price of about $149 on E-Bay. $149 is not expensive so the XRs' were built more to meet a very awesome price, and they simply could not include the better grade binding posts. In fact, I don't think any AVR under $349 does as even the analog AVRs found in the HTIBs <$499 typically use only the spring clips. Perhaps in the next generation of XRs' Panasonic will take those shortcomings under advisement and upgrade to better speaker terminals and more than 1 HDMI input...

Just my $.02 worth....

[beowulf7]

The Kenwood VRS-7100 receiver has very tiny spring clips, too, so you Panasonic SA-XR receivers shouldn't feel too badly. Besides, the SA-XRs actually have some binding posts; where as the 7100s have a grand total of 0. :mad:

[What The!]

I've had mine for about 2 weeks and absolutely love this amp.

Has anyone been able to find out whether or not this has discrete codes?

TIA

[referee]

The XR50 does have discrete on/off. I've had mine for a few weeks too and so far it's been great. I've spent the last month or so buying components for my first home theater and have had at least a little buyer's remorse with each. I've had none with the XR50.

[Shift]

In a tug-A-War which is better?

Kenwood vrs-7100

or

Panansonic SA-XR50


????

Thanks

[beowulf7]

Originally posted by Shift
In a tug-A-War which is better?

Kenwood vrs-7100

or

Panansonic SA-XR50


????

Thanks
The Panasonic is a little cheaper but the Kenwood has more features (namely DPL IIx). So if you don't mind spending in the low $300s, go for the Kenwood. If you can't spare more than $250, go for the Panasonic. And if you can wait a month or so and spend ~$450, go for Panasonic SA-XR70.

[Shift]

Thanks guys for yiour help and all the reading. I just ordered a silver Xr50 for less then $250.00 w/ 3rd day air shipping. :)

By the huge positive rave about this unit, I wanted to say I can't wait till it gets to my hands. I just hope it will be better then th POS Denon 1705 receiver I just had and returned.

[DBryant]

Shift,

I am sure you will love this receiver. I have had mine for a couple of months and it is great. Can't beat the price. I have mine paired with the Panny F-87 DVD changer and it really is a great combo.

[What The!]

Originally posted by referee
The XR50 does have discrete on/off. I've had mine for a few weeks too and so far it's been great. I've spent the last month or so buying components for my first home theater and have had at least a little buyer's remorse with each. I've had none with the XR50.

Where can I find them? Also does it have discrete input codes?

Thanks!

[Shift]

Thanks all.


BTW is this how the outputs look on the back of the xr50?

http://www.avland.co.uk/panasonic/saxr50/saxr50rear.jpg

[Shift]

Also I notice it has switchable a/b speakers. Can both A an B speakers play together? :D

Hey I figure I'd ask.

[vishal]

Originally posted by Shift
Also I notice it has switchable a/b speakers. Can both A an B speakers play together? :D

Hey I figure I'd ask. Yes they can, however the receiver uses the surround channels to power the B speakers so you can only have A and B playing together in stereo mode.

[Shift]

Thanks I can't wait to get mine :D

[SoftwireEngineer]

Yes, A and B speakers can both play at the same time, only in stereo mode. But according to Wayne@BolderCables.com (who mods these units) the B speaker terminals are not powered by the surround channels. It is just switching a impedence matching circuit connected only to the front L & R amplifier to handle the lower resistance of two parallel circuits. This issue is addressed in XR70 which will really use the surround channels and a separate mode identifies this as 'biamp'.
BTW, somebody with top-dollar transport should check out the Panasonic. I added to some cones to my CD player and the sound improved quite perceptibly. So the Panny will perform as good as its digital input.

[referee]

Originally posted by What The!
Where can I find them? Also does it have discrete input codes?

The inputs are discrete too. I've got a Harmony remote so all my codes are done at their website by their techs. If you don't have a Harmony you should go to remotecentral (http://www.remotecentral.com/) and try to get the codes there.

[referee]

I hate to see this thread die after buying one of these receivers. So far I love mine. I only have fronts and a center for my XR50 but I'll probably have money for a sub soon. Has anyone had issues with the 100Hz crossover? I'm hoping that I won't have to put the sub front & center to prevent localization. But, whatever. I'm sure it'll be fine.

Also, has anyone had to adjust bass or treble levels for 2 channel sources? I feel like a commoner for not having tweaked these yet.

-ref

[Grayson73]

I set the front speakers to large and the center to small and it sounds great!

[DBryant]

Grayson,

What are you using for front speakers?

[Grayson73]

Athena AS-F2, but even then Athena Point 5 MKII sounded good with the front speakers set to large.

[DBryant]

I have tried it both ways and cannot seem to decide which way sounds best. I certainly like the added bass coming out of the S38 though.

What size drivers are in the Athena AS-F2?

[Grayson73]

Dual 8" woofers in each speaker

[Shift]

Grayson has the same setup as mine. I love my Xr50. Totally rocks!! I am a happy camper!!

[meincer]

Guys, I am totally ignorant on all this stuff but am considering getting the XR-50 and using it with Harman Kardon HKTS-14's. Does this combination make sense for a moderate budget and a room about 18' X 20'?

I haven't bought anything yet so if there are better choices for $700 or so total please suggest them.

Thanks

[andrew jc]

Grayson73, I have been reading some of the boards. I'm not sure you are the right person but have you owned the XR25 as well as the XR50? If you have can you quantify the difference between the two? Thanks...

[Grayson73]

I never directly compared the two, so I can't. I didn't have the XR25 long enough to break it in and I didn't have the Athena AS-F2 at that time.

[emmis]

I was wondering if the XR50 is supposed to send the output of all video input through one connection to the TV or is it limited by the type of input source?

My Setup:
------------
[Input]
Sony HD-100 HD Tuner is using Optical #1 (TV) for audio and Component Video (Y, Pb, Pr) (TV)
Tivo Hughes GXCEBOT is using Optical #2 (DVR) for audio and SVideo (DVR)

[Output to TV]
Component (Y, Pb, Pr)

So the TV is tuned to the Component Video and all works well when the XR50 is tuned to the TV. When I turn the XR50 dial from to DVR/VCR1, I get audio fro the Tivo but no picture. I assumed that it should send the signal over my component cables to the TV but am I expecting too much? Do I need to run an SVideo cable from the XR50 to the TV for all non-component signals?

And how does one configure VCR2 on the XR50?

[jerndl]

Originally posted by emmis
I assumed that it should send the signal over my component cables to the TV but am I expecting too much? Do I need to run an SVideo cable from the XR50 to the TV for all non-component signals? The XR50 does not perform s-video to component conversion so you must connect a S-Video cable also. There are very few (if any) receivers in this price range that do s-video to component conversion. Good luck.

Jay

[emmis]

Ahh, that's what I figured.. thanks!

So now my other question is.. How does one configure VCR2?


HDTV - Opt1, TV In (Component)
Tivo - Opt2, DVR/VCR In (SVideo)
DVD - Coax1, DVD In (Component)
VCR - Composite (Red, White, Yellow RCA cable)

So I guess my remaining input hookups for the VCR are either the VCR2 which I saw in the LED menu or the CD input. Does the CD even have the ability to take the VCR video? How does one access the VCR2 option?

--almost there..

[Trebor Pyn]

The XR50 does not perform s-video to component conversion

does it perform down conversion as in component to S video to composite?

if i connect all components to XR50 useing s video.will it down convert it to composite out so that i might use it to send signal to aux room?

would the audio digital be converted one of the analog out jacks?

[Johnla]

Originally posted by Trebor Pyn
does it perform down conversion as in component to S video to composite?


No.

[jerndl]

Originally posted by Trebor Pyn
would the audio digital be converted one of the analog out jacks? no

[Trebor Pyn]

Johnla/Jerndl

Thanks.you saved me from pulling it out to experiement.

so it only passes the signal it is presented with.

[emmis]

I am wondering if I should be hearing sound out of all five speakers when the source is anything other than and HD signal. I get all 5 speaker icons displaying when I get a true HD signal on TV but I can't seem to get it from a DVD, DirecTV signal or anything else.. no matter which audio mode I am using..

[QZ1]

I know this is a 6.1 system; can it do Room 1- 5.1 DD and Room 2- 2 ch. Stereo? (not at the same time)
Or do I need a 7.1 system for that?
If 7.1, what do you recommend that is a simlar receiver?

[mattg3]

Anyone notice a compressed sound from center channel during some dvd movie playback.Im using the optical in which is all my Panny dvd player(xp50) offers.Perhaps its just the cheaper mastered dvds but voices sound brittle and compressed unlike my 8 year old Yamaha 793 which had a warm sound from voices in same center channel.

[tonygeno]

Originally posted by mattg3
Anyone notice a compressed sound from center channel during some dvd movie playback.Im using the optical in which is all my Panny dvd player(xp50) offers.Perhaps its just the cheaper mastered dvds but voices sound brittle and compressed unlike my 8 year old Yamaha 793 which had a warm sound from voices in same center channel. No, I haven't noticed it.

[Neild]

Originally posted by andrew jc
Grayson73, I have been reading some of the boards. I'm not sure you are the right person but have you owned the XR25 as well as the XR50? If you have can you quantify the difference between the two? Thanks...

I have xr25, xr45, xr50

My impression was the xr25 & xr45 have similar sound 'character' and the xr50 sounded different than the other two.

Some passages sounded better on xr50, some better on the xr45.

With the lids off, xr45 did seem to have the 'beefiest' electronics on the inside.

I could never pick up much sonic difference between the xr25 & the xr45 but all the speakers I used were bookshelf and pretty efficient. Maybe someone with large floorstanders or low impedance setup would have been able to find a difference between them.

In the end I'd give the xr45 a slight nod just on audio performance, and the xr50 the nod on when it comes to user features/controls/appearance.

[Spoonfed]

mattg3,

i think i have heard what you describe (XR45). Sometimes the voices sound some what "woody" or hollow, almost boomy? Its only on the occational DVD, im pretty sure its the source DVD in question as others have very good voices.

I think some are just crappy discs, and vocals are done poor. The same ones that have this sound do not sound "Good" on my Denon AVR either, i think just as the Panny's do with everything else they are letting this come through transparently, be it good or bad, in this case bad due to the disc.

[Neild]

I had the luxury of having a lot of matching speakers available. So I rigged an optical daisy chain through pairs of the Panasonic receivers. Each receiver had the same type and brand of speakers hooked up.

By matching the volumes, then setting one receiver to 'mute' I could do instant and silent A/B comparisons just by pressing the 'mute' key and pointing the pair of receivers. One would disable mute while the other enabled it.

I did loads of listening tests including some blind tests and predictive tests. I reversed the receiver's positions in the daisy chain just in case that mattered.

I could easily distinguish between the units but I couldn't always decide which one's sound I prefered for a given passage.

[hardballpete]

Anyone know what the component bandwidth is on our xr-50's? Was it designed to switch HDTV sources?

How about output from my Zenith 318 upconvert DVD player? Am I losing any PQ by routing it thru this receiver via component, instead of straight to my HDTV?

Thanks

[union1411]

You guys think there is much difference in SQ between the XR50 and the receiver on my HTIB (http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=F&storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&itemId=64104&catGroupId=11136&modelNo=SC-HT900&surfModel=SC-HT900)?

I wonder if mine is digita1.

[mattg3]

A digital receiver is a whole other ballgame.Im still auditioning mine but each day I find more reasons to keep it.I will be playing it off against the marantzsr4500 when i can get a hold of one and make my final decision.
I hear all kinds of things from this receiver I never did in my analog Yamaha 793 while watching dvds.The only thing holding me back from keeping the unit is its so accurate that if you feed it a poorly mastered dvd or cd you will hear some truly bad reproduction based on the poor software.If the discs are well made you will be amazed.

[Neild]

It's true what you say mattg. I run TV through mine and it's shocking the amount of microphone bumps and background noises and other audio mistakes there are that just aren't heard under the veil of normal amplifiers. Same goes for older CD's - you can really hear the difference especially on older ones not as skillfully mastered or perhaps made with lesser equipment.

[Spoonfed]

This is in part what higher end gear reveils and even strives for.

I totally agree.

However also compared to a "normal" type receiver, the speed, and attack. The attack of instruments and combine dynamics leave normal AVRs sounding flat. I even had a chance to compare the XR45 to an Adcom power amp and the XR45 was noticable better in every aspect.

[Neild]

Originally posted by union1411
You guys think there is much difference in SQ between the XR50 and the receiver on my HTIB (http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=F&storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&itemId=64104&catGroupId=11136&modelNo=SC-HT900&surfModel=SC-HT900)?

I wonder if mine is digital.

I've long been curious if the slimline HTIB Panasonics are using the full digital amp technology. It would seem to make sense, easy for them on the design and raw parts front. Those slim HTIB's they have don't seem to have space or cooling for anything but full digital. They certainly brag about the amount of W's in them.

However in fiddling with the menu system on say the SC-HT900 that you have there, the option seem different than the standalone SA-XR?? models.

I would think if they are dropping the guts of an SA-XR in there to be expedient, they wouldn't both having a different set of menu controls. I mean they barely changed the menus from 2003 to 2004 models.

If indeed they are full digital amps, then you've got some nice deals potential. An HTIB like the SC-HT900 is available all over for nice price. When you consider they are a carosel player plus 5 speakers and sub, that's a lot for your dollar.

[JoelK]

When I was desparate to test 2 JBL S38 speakers I got that were damaged, I bought a Panasonic HTIB from Walmart "on loan." I was VERY disappointed with the Panasonic receiver in that box (all I touched from that box -- didn't care about the speakers). There were no digital inputs (I think there were only a couple sets of 2-channel analog inputs) and no way to send full range sound to the main or surround speakers.

The choices are definitely tuned for the fact that it is a HTIB and integrated CD/DVD changer. I don't know precisely which one I bought, but there's no way I would spend $300 (Walmart's price) on something like that.

(So whether or not it has a digital amp would be irrelevant to me. The receiver just doesn't cut it as a receiver.)

[CTracer]

Hi. A quick questions for all the XR50 owners. I cobbled together a HT system this weekend which includes a Panny XR50. Everything sounds good but I have been having intermittant audio cutouts while watching TV. I'm only using the XR50 for audio and the audio connection is directly from my HDTV STB to the XR50 via a digital coax. I have not tried using the optical audio connection yet. Should I also have an analog audio connection from the STB to the XR50? I'm thinking that perhaps the digital audio source is cutting out occasionally since when the sound cuts out the display on the XR50 which indicates a digital signal also dissappears . I don't have the problem when I use the TV's sound system which is connected from the STB via analog cables. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

CTracer

[Trebor Pyn]

Have you ruled out a bad coax cable?

I have never had this happen on my XR50 where it was not due to a D*TiVo dropout in their signal.Mine is hooked up all digital(optical).I have not had a reason to try any of the coaxial hook-ups.

[mattg3]

I have my hd box hitched up using coaxial.the only time the sound cuts out ,its the hd signal that is at fault.

[CTracer]

Thanks guys. I also suspect drops in the HD signal causing the problem. To eliminate a bad coax I'll try optical. To see if it's the HD signal, I'll hook up the coax to my TV's sound system and if the problem persists, it must be the HD signal. If you have a digital + an analog connection from the TV (or STB) to the XR50 at the same time, does the XR50 preferentailly use the digital connection 1st then default to analog if there is no digital signal?

CTracer

[thegoldenhand]

Please help me guys!!!

On my XR50 I am experiencing audio signal dropouts. I have an LG LST-3510 DVD player/HD tuner and I use coaxial cable from the DVD/HD unit going to the XR50. I encounter the problem when I:

1. turn on/off a light
2. come near the receiver or touch it

These are so far the scenarios I've tried.

If I use the analog inputs, I experience no dropouts. Is this a known bug or issue with the XR50? Will I get better results if I use optical cables? Which optical cable should I get? Line conditioner? MapleShade Silclear? What to do??? Please help!!!!!!!!!

[mattg3]

I found the xr50 is very sensitive to static if you touch it while its on and cause a static charge.Many weird things have happen from the 6 channel mode shutting off to my sub feeding back.I just shut it off and turn it on and its fine.I keep a cloth around my hand if i have to touch the unit and try to use remote for all changes.Its not a big deal that causes damage but it will scare the hell out of you when it first happens.

[Trebor Pyn]

If you have a digital + an analog connection from the TV (or STB) to the XR50 at the same time, does the XR50 preferentially use the digital connection 1st then default to analog if there is no digital signal?

you make this choice in your set up menu on the panny.Your options are digital,analog or auto.In auto it is going to chose the "best"connection it detects(e.g. if it sees an analog and a digital signal it is going to choose the digital)

The only reason you would hook up analog in addition to digital is if you are passing the signal through the XR50 to a modulator for other room distribution or a VCR /Tape recorder to record to.




If I use the analog inputs, I experience no dropouts. Is this a known bug or issue with the XR50?

not to my knowledge but as i said i have not yet used coaxial inputs.I would think optical would be more likely to have conductivity issues as a coaxial seems a tighter more secure fit.I will have to try out the coaxial this weekend as you have me wondering.

I bought RS optical cables.
I have a digital coaxial cable that came with my cd burner(H/K)

Is there a difference between a regular RCA and a digital coaxial cable?

[Trebor Pyn]

I found the xr50 is very sensitive to static if you touch it while its on and cause a static charge.

Hey Matt
I forget i live in central Texas where the humidity is so high year around,we rarely if ever have static discharge.I fool with my receiver all the time while it is running full on and have never experienced any sort of "glitch".I never thought about how static discharge might effect these digital amps.

[thegoldenhand]

I once tried plugging both analog and coaxial inputs with the setting set to AUTO. I think it is automatically going to analog as I've never experienced the dropouts on the analog. Now when I take off the analog cables and leave it with just digital coax cable with settting set to AUTO or digital, I then experience the dropouts.

I used to have my DVD player audio out routed directly to the TV and never had any dropouts. I really have no idea what to do. I still wish something can be done. I am not content using analog cables for my digital receiver. I will probably try to experiment by using an optical cable or a different brand of digital coax. I am using a prograde GE coaxial cable which according to some who've used it is monster quality.

[thegoldenhand]

Update: I think my audio dropout problem has been solved. I bought a $20 optical cable from ccity. So far so good. I guess it was the supposedly pro-grade digital coax made by GE.

Before that I called panasonic and they suggested I try using an optical cable or a better quality digital coax.

[Spoonfed]

I also experience dropouts sometimes from my XR45 using coax (quality one also). It seems to be electrical relelated, ie other appliances switches effect it, perhaps pulse down the power line or something.

[CTracer]

Thanks Trebor.

Is there a difference between a regular RCA and a digital coaxial cable?

Not really. I believe they are both rated for 75 ohms. The "digital coax" may be "better" constructed but they should both do the job. I would not recommend a really cheap RCA cable however.

I had no dropouts last night in about 2 hours of TV viewing using the coax. The night before I was getting about 2 - 3 drops per hour. If I start getting dropouts again I'm going to try an optical cable I picked up at RS.

[SoftwireEngineer]

Originally posted by Spoonfed
I also experience dropouts sometimes from my XR45 using coax (quality one also). It seems to be electrical relelated, ie other appliances switches effect it, perhaps pulse down the power line or something.

This means, that some little spikes/surges are showing up in the digital stream coming via the coax. The receiver is then losing lock on the stream. Use of a power conditioner on the player (not required on the Panny) will alleviate this problem. Ofcourse, going to optical also will solve, because this little spike/surge is not big enough optically to cause the optical receiver to lose locking.

If somebody says, all coax or optical cable are the same, then they dont know better. Also, certain coax may work better with your player/receiver than others, because they are not truly 75ohm and more they match up with the output/input impedence of your digital output/inputs, they will do better.

BTW, standard RCA interconnects are not 75ohm, they might work, but will be substandard. Good digital interconnects will be 75ohm and should have a high bandwidth (probably upto 1Ghz).

[Spoonfed]

thats right softwire,

as for my "player" its actually a HTPC :) So not sure how much a power filter will help? (i have a pretty decent surger board with filtering on it, though probably very limited) The HTPC has a decent Vantec ION PSU in it.
Audio card is a Revo 5.1 (MAudio)

[tonygeno]

Originally posted by Spoonfed
thats right softwire,

as for my "player" its actually a HTPC :) So not sure how much a power filter will help? (i have a pretty decent surger board with filtering on it, though probably very limited) The HTPC has a decent Vantec ION PSU in it.
Audio card is a Revo 5.1 (MAudio) I run an HTPC, a cd player, cable (through the coaxial digital connection) and a dvd player. I experience dropouts with the HTPC (that I also experienced with my Lexicon MC12). I also have an M-Audio card. It seems to be computer related. When using a Creative Audigy card (which I also have) I do not experience any dropouts. I think it's related to the way the M-Audio interfaces with the OS and system resources.

[Spoonfed]

Nah, it never did it on my Denon AVR.

[tonygeno]

Originally posted by Spoonfed
Nah, it never did it on my Denon AVR. Have you tried other sources to see if it does it with them?

[cowsclaw]

anyone know where i can buy one of these receivers for less than $250 shipped? JandR is currently out of stock.

Thanks!

[Neild]

mattg - I agree with you, the xr50 is really sensitive to static. I've found the ring around the volume knob is hungry for static. I used to just try and touch the knob only but inevitably the charge would jump to the ring. The only effect I've seen is all the indicators on the display panel light up. It's no problem and is easily cured by doing anything that changes the panel.
I just know now to touch ground before the gear.

[CTracer]

I was playing with the test tones last night using a RS SPL meter. Is there any way to isolate the test tone to 1 speaker (vs. having the tone constantly move from speaker to speaker for 2 seconds each)? Also, once you set up your speakers for one mode (i.e. "TV") does this carry over to all the other modes (i.e. Music, etc.) or do you have to go through the whole process and save each one individually? Thanks.

CTracer

P.S. No more problems with audio dropouts since the 1st night. I have since switched to an optical cable from TV cable box to the XR50. So far, so good.

[thegoldenhand]

I really hate the spring clips on this receiver. First the holes are too small it can't accept even just a 14g wire. Last night I was using a flat pin connector from RS to connect the wires when one of the terminal's flip lock switch came off. I had to disconnect everything and fortunately I was able to re-attach the flip thingy. So my question to you XR50 owners is if anyone has tried upgrading these cheap spring clips. Where did you buy the upgrade kit and how much did you pay for it?

[thegoldenhand]

**bump**

Anyone???

[tonygeno]

Originally posted by thegoldenhand
I really hate the spring clips on this receiver. First the holes are too small it can't accept even just a 14g wire. Last night I was using a flat pin connector from RS to connect the wires when one of the terminal's flip lock switch came off. I had to disconnect everything and fortunately I was able to re-attach the flip thingy. So my question to you XR50 owners is if anyone has tried upgrading these cheap spring clips. Where did you buy the upgrade kit and how much did you pay for it? http://www.boldercables.com/Store.asp?m=TheBolderCableCompany&n=10&k=134309&s=+MODIFICATIONS

[Stevenacnj]

That link actually shows a picture of the rear of my Bolder modded Panny XR70.

Wayne does great work and his mods bring the receiver to true high end audio quality.

There is a lot of info on his Panny XR digital receiver mod work on his froum @ Audio Circles. Link below:

Bolder - Audio Circles (http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=12af3c2650c317277cf998add93a99c7)

[jin]

How is the DAC on this thing? or is there none at all?

I trying to decide whether, this will sound better on my pc setup with a cheapy chaintech digital out to this digital amp. or buy a EMU 0404 soundcard into a plain analog amp.


I currently use a m-audio revo.

[Spoonfed]

ummm, why not use the SPDIF from the Maudio? Willl be better than the Chaintech. Feeding it digital should achevie good results, feeding analogue adds additionals steps

Ie D to A i the s/card, then A to D then D to PWM amp in the AVR
With D its just D to AVR then D to PWM amp

[Shift]

hey has anyone tried 4ohm speakers on the XR50? Will it handle it, even though the specs does not say? Thanks

[tonygeno]

Yes and yes, particularly with a subwoofer.

[lobopac]

as cowsclaw asked above....any ideas on where to find the xr50? i finally decide to drop the hammer and i can't find one in stock anywhere. even more than $250 as long as it comes from a reputible dealer would be fine. would definatly like it under $300. thanks.

travis

[Shift]

Originally posted by tonygeno
Yes and yes, particularly with a subwoofer.

So even though it claims it only does a 6ohm load, it will do 4ohm fine? Is this safe for theamp and will not overload it or even kick on the protection?? :(



as cowsclaw asked above....any ideas on where to find the xr50? i finally decide to drop the hammer and i can't find one in stock anywhere. even more than $250 as long as it comes from a reputible dealer would be fine. would definatly like it under $300. thanks.

travis

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3964392 is where I got mine about 6 months ago. You will love it once you get it!! enjoy

[intence]

I'm hoping that it's not discontinued ... hopefully just a shortage right now. Anyone know for sure.

[Loto_Bak]

it is very unlikely putting the amp into protection hurts it at all. After all thats why its there, to prevent damage.

[lobopac]

thanks shift.....jr is oos and had been for a few weeks. seems like every other e-tailer is oos also.

[Shift]

Originally posted by lobopac
thanks shift.....jr is oos and had been for a few weeks. seems like every other e-tailer is oos also.

Looks like these people have it in stock and less then 260.00

http://www.videodirect.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

[JoshG]

Originally posted by Shift
Looks like these people have it in stock and less then 260.00

http://www.videodirect.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

And now oos. :(

[intence]

Hmmm ... if the XR50 is discontinued, I should just bite the bullet and get the XR70, but I guess we won't know for sure if it's just OOS or if Panasonic isn't shipping anymore.

[lobopac]

Originally posted by intence
Hmmm ... if the XR50 is discontinued, I should just bite the bullet and get the XR70, but I guess we won't know for sure if it's just OOS or if Panasonic isn't shipping anymore.

yep...called them this morning actually...oos and not planning on getting any more. they show it as discontinued. it still showed instock on thier site, but i've learned not to trust websites. still looking.

[Shift]

Originally posted by JoshG
And now oos. :(

WoW!! Freggin amazing. I swear today when I posted that link I did confirm they had both Black and Silver XR50's in stock. Man, that sucks for you man, maybe I should of hit ypu up w/ a PM instead. My bad.

Well looks like no one from my resources has them. but I hope you do find one soon. How about Ebay??

[lobopac]

ebay's pretty slim also. there was quite a few about a week ago. was funny....several sellers had 5 or 6 of them. like someone picked them up on closeout somewhere and wanted to make a buck.

[intence]

I wouldn't trust the "discontinued" part of it until I heard it from panasonic. It does seem that none of the retailers have any though. Maybe they'll be an updated version soon.

[Biker2679]

Onecall has openbox XR-70's for $70 off MSRP. I picked one up from there and it was in perfect condition. Very nice unit for the price.

[TrueDis]

I e-mailed Panasonic to ask if the SA-XR50 was discontinued, and they referred me to soundcenter.net, a supplier of "hard-to-find" panasonic items. When I e-mailed Soundcenter about it, they said that the SA-XR55 is coming out April 14th and will retail for $289.99. They also said the specs of the XR55 should be identical, so I'm not sure what the deal is.

[epsilon]

It appears to be a 7.1 Reciever (7x100W) with 3 components in.

[TrueDis]

Yep, here's info on Gizmodo about it: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/two-other-panasonic-home-theater-goods-038797.php

[mattg3]

Why did i have to stumble on this after loving my four month old panny xr50 that i always wished had 7.1 capability.I dont think this is enough of a reason to upgrade so soon but i will be watching carefully for the reviews on this one.The product descriptions on the gizmodo site are in Japanese so that didnt help much.

[BuckWild024]

here is a picture of the xr-55. looks pretty sweet.

http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/jn050406-6/jn050406-6-1.jpg

[mattg3]

Looks same as xr50.It would be great if this unit allowed you to set distances for each individual speaker rather than in groups the way the xr50 does.

[bdbaba]

Aloha Everyone,

Just got off the phone with Panasonic. They said that the sa-xr55 is supposed to hit the streets in two weeks--famous last words-- and that, at least for this year, there are no plans for an sa-xr75 to replace the sa-xr70. Too bad. 7.1 would be a nice feature to add to the xr70.

Not sure how reliable any of this info is, but it seemed interesting.

[Leef DaLucky]

Lets see the back!
Better bindings than the 50?

[Neild]

Originally posted by BuckWild024
here is a picture of the xr-55. looks pretty sweet.

http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/jn050406-6/jn050406-6-1.jpg

Maybe the picture isn't doing it justice but to me it's looks uuuuuhgly.

[JBaumgart]

I am thinking of adding one of these Panasonic digitals for the bedroom. Initially I would have:

Sony 32" plasma
Sony DVD with Toslink out
Motorola DCT6412 DVR cable box with Toslink out
Stereo/bookshelf speakers (a/d/s L400)
M&K subwoofer (MX70)

Questions I have are:

1. Since I am not running a full surround system in this room, and will probably connect all video direct to the TV, would any of these Panasonics work about equally as well? If so, should I just look for the cheapest that I can find refurbished or used? I think I remember reading somewhere that the original xr-10 model had the purest sound of them all, but this could well be just a myth.
2. For 2 channel + Sub listening, do all of them provide the same fidelity? I would pay extra if the internal components on one of them are better than the others, assuming you can actually hear the difference.
3. I believe the speakers are 4 ohm - with just two of them at low to moderate volume, would this be a problem?
4. Do these have a "phantom" sound setting or something similar to simulate surround sound, so I don't lose the vocals (center speaker) output?

I'm thinking of waiting for the xr-55 to arrive, and see the full specs before purchasing.

[gemini8026]

Hi guys. Jeff from Canada here.


I purchased an XR-50 a few months ago. It's a great unit, but I just recently noticed somethign that DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!

At various times, there is a VERY high pitched noise coming from the inside of the unit. Now this is a REALLY high signal, my father cant detect it, but I can and it kinda drives me nuts. If I crank the volume, it goes away. If I turn off the speakers, it goes away. If I have speaker A running alone it is there, if I turn on Speaker B, it goes away kinda (changes range)

I assume it's the transformer or something dealing with the power supply. IS there anything I can do to fix this issue. Is it a defect in my machine, or could it be my wiring scheme? I also have the unit coming off a fairly full power bar (it's ran beside my computer)

Anyone else had this issue, or have an idea for me to fix it? I got the unit off Ebay, so I cant take it in or exchange it!!!

Thanks for any help!!!

[12andy]

Welcome to the club, Jeff. :)

Yeah, I get that noise sometimes too. Some have said that it dies down in due time? Really not sure, sorry. I notice it mostly when standing right next to it.

[gemini8026]

Glad to see im not alone fellow Canadian.

By the way, if you know anyone selling any Paradigm Mini Monitors or Monitor 3's, please let me know. I just sold off my Monitor 9's, and I need some bookshelves :)

[Neild]

[QUOTE=gemini8026]Hi guys. Jeff from Canada here.

Anyone else had this issue, or have an idea for me to fix it? I got the unit off Ebay, so I cant take it in or exchange it!!!

Thanks for any help!!![/QUOTE]

Do you turn it on and off daily? Try leaving it on 24x7 and see if that makes any difference. Also if there is a trustworthy electronics repair place in your area see what they have to say. I remember TV & monitors that did this could sometimes be fixed by applying some substance to their transformer coils or something like that.

[Grayson73]

Has anyone upgraded to the XR55? If so, how much better is the XR55?