Fosgate FAP T1

[wirebill]

Has anybody heard anything new about Fosgate having a trade up unit offered to replace the FAP-T1? I was told that it was going to happen at the beginning of the year, then I heard that it was going to happen in the spring. I’m still waiting to hear an offer from Fosgate.

[GRCRYSTYK]

wirebill,..
Hello,...I have been looking into this myself, as have a few others. There are a couple threads with info folks have gathered here and there. It seems there are many different stories going around. I have heard,..as soon as the end of June, and as long as next year,.....
There is the Cedia show in Sept., of which a dealer has mentioned, may be a good time for Fosgate to communicate their plans.
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[wirebill]

GRCRYSTYK,
Thanks for the response. If I am not mistaken there was a Cedia show last September and Fosgate had the new FAP T1 plus at that show. I saw some pictures at that time and the new unit had a wide screen built in. I have to wonder, what’s going on and what’s taking so long? They must have had the unit developed in order to have it at Cedia last Sept.
I sometimes have a problem with my screen not coming on when I turn the processor on. I then have to turn it off and on a few times to get it to work properly. I am hoping that the new unit won’t have this problem.

[cwood]

Originally posted by wirebill
GRCRYSTYK,
Thanks for the response. If I am not mistaken there was a Cedia show last September and Fosgate had the new FAP T1 plus at that show. I saw some pictures at that time and the new unit had a wide screen built in. I have to wonder, what’s going on and what’s taking so long? They must have had the unit developed in order to have it at Cedia last Sept.
I sometimes have a problem with my screen not coming on when I turn the processor on. I then have to turn it off and on a few times to get it to work properly. I am hoping that the new unit won’t have this problem.

Hello All,

The development program for the new Plus edition of the FAPT1 has been virtually completed. The PLUS provides far more than just an upgrade to PL2x and an RS232 port. If those issues were the only that we had addressed, the PLUS would have been available months ago. It is essentially a new platform with much more capability than the original FAPT1.

We expect to be shipping the PLUS this summer and we'll announce details of the tradein program and final product specifications within the next few weeks.

Anyone that is experiencing screen problems with the existing unit should contact Joe Dahlquist @ Rockford. There is a simple fix.

Thanks for your patience.

Charles Wood
Fosgate Audionics
RHG

[wirebill]

Charles Wood,
I appreciate your response and look forward to the release of the new "Plus" and the trade in program. In reference to the problem I am having with the screen, it does not happen all that often and I think I would rather deal with it for a little while rather then have to ship it out for repair. Thanks.

[GRCRYSTYK]

Charles,...
Great to see you are tuned into the forums,...It's comforting to know the manufacture is participating in the real world their products are being used in.
GRCRY,...>>>--->

[GRCRYSTYK]

Wirebill,..
Can you describe you experience with the T1, and what your running with it? It's interesting to compare others thoughts on performance, and the related gear involved,....
GRCRY,...>>>--->

[wirebill]

GRCRYSTYK,
My system is as follows:
Fosgate FAP T1 processor
Two Cinepro 3k6 SE Gold amps
Panasonic RP-91 DVD/CD player
Ohm Type ‘I” main speakers
Polk Audio LSiC Center channel speaker
Polk Audio LSi 7 surronds
Two HSU TN 1220 Subs

I have been running the Fosgate for a little over a year and I am happy with it. (aside from the problem I have with the monitor screen). I would say that I use it for music as much as I do for home theater. I was always a two-channel stereo music guy until I got the fosgate, now I find that I enjoy listening to music with the DPLII setting. The system is loud and clear but I will admit that I am not sure if it is the processor or the Cinepro amps that make it so clean sounding. Maybe both. The Cinepro has a reputation for being a very clean amp. I do get a slight hiss from the speakers at high volume when the program material is very low, but I understand that the new Fosgate is going to have a better signal to noise ratio.
Thanks,
Bill

[GRCRYSTYK]

Bill,..
Thanks for your thoughts on your gear. I have read many times the Fosgate is very quiet. I'm fairly new to the poison, only a few years in, so I'm not up on the Cenepro equipment, other than whenever I have seen it mentioned, it's always been favorable. What is the efficiency rating of your speakers?

The post from Charles Wood sounds like the T1 Plus is a whole new machine, from the ground up,....Should be a killer.
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[wirebill]

GRCRYSTYK,
The Ohm “I” speakers have a 4 ohm Impedance with an efficiency rating of 90 db. The Polk LSi series speakers are also 4 ohm but the efficiency rating is only 88 db. The Hsu subs are rated at 4 ohms with an efficiency rating of 93 db. The Cinepro puts out over 700 watts per channel at 4 ohms so I have no problem driving these speakers. I shake up the whole house.

I look forward to getting the new T1 Plus when it is available and I’m anxious to see what the trade in program is going to be.

What system do you have?

[GRCRYSTYK]

Bill,..
Right now,.my system is at a point of transition. At present,..in the rack sets,..A BPT BP 2.5 with upgrades,..Fosgate FAP T1,..Panasonic RP82,..Sherbourn 7/2100A,..A pair of Parts Express 250 watt ea. plate amps for the 480 liter Dual Adire Tempest Sono sub I built,..Klipsch RF-7 Mains and Center,..and four Klipsch RCW-5 In Wall surrounds.
The system has had a lot of changes in the past few months,...and a few yet to come,...I have been trying to find the best processor under $3000, and I need to replace the sub amps with something of the same level as the Sherbourn. I'm holding off on the DVD player, hoping new HD DVD ground will be broken soon.
Any ideas on a sub amp?
GRCRY,...>>>--->

[wirebill]

GRCRYSTYK,
The crazy thing about this hobby is that everybody’s system is in transition. We are always changing something trying to get the best sound that we can and when we find it we make changes anyway. I guess that is the nature of the beast.

How about the Crown K2 for your subs? A nice clean, powerful and quite two channel amp with no cooling fans. They put out 800 watts per channel at 4 ohms. They cost about $1400.00 new, but you could probably get one in nice condition from Audiogon or Ebay for less then $1000.00. You could also try the Crown K1, which is basically the same amp only less power at 550 watts into 4 ohms. I use two channels from my Cinepro.

I see that you are looking for a new processor. Are you not happy with the Fosgate? Is there a reason why you don’t want the T1 plus?
I was considering the Anthem AVM – 20 before I got the Fosgate. I have not heard a bad thing about them. I still wonder, which is the better unit. If anyone has compared them side by side I would like to hear some comments. If anybody has the Anthem unit I would like to know if you are happy with it.
Thanks,
Bill

[GRCRYSTYK]

Bill,..
Sorry for not getting back sooner,..I lost the thread, and had to do a search to pull it back up. Too much going on,..;)
I am VERY interested in the T1+, Strange as it may sound, I have a hiss in the T1,..I haven't had a chance yet, but will be sending a note to Fosgate in hopes of a repair. I have only had the unit a short time, and it has always had it,....I haven't been able to get much anything done, but work, and punch around on this keyboard for a while at night, for a very long time, so my poisons take a back seat.
I have zero dealers around me, and have to travel pretty good distances to see anything of value. I had a chance to demo a AVM20, and was interested in it, until the dealer found out I ran Klipsch speakers,....It was over at that point,....things went down hill in a hurry. I ended up leaving the store with nothing in my hands, and not even a single minute of demo, of any gear. It was sad. My pockets aren't deep enough for that dealer. I drove over an hour to get to them too,....
Hey,..anyway,....I have looked at the Crown equipment in the past, actually, for a while I had a Crown amp. Don't remember the series, but I had all kinds of trouble with it,..when I had returned it, I then was made aware of the adjustable input voltage switch of module available,...by then it was too late, I had moved on,...I'm looking for about 300 X 2 @ 4 ohms, or there abouts,....
I second the comparison,...it would be good info for a lot of folks,...
GRCRY,...>>>--->

[Darian]

Mine has been in the box awaiting trade up for months now.

I have a Cinepro amp that powers my mains. Since I changed speakers the Cinepro is just not used to its fullest. When I had the massive NHT 2.9 set up the Cinepro made them sing. Now with powered subs built into my mains... my upper drivers get more juice then my subs. Maybe its stime to switch out amps too.

Need the preamp first. My speakers are awful lonely... nothing pumped into them for half of a year.

[wirebill]

GRCRYSTYK,
I think the hiss that you are experiencing is probably the same thing that I am getting. I get it in my surround speakers when the program materials are low but the sound level is turned up. I think that it is the signal to noise ratio. The T1 plus is supposed to have a better ratio.



Darian,
Did you have a problem with your Fosgate processor?
Why did you pack it up so soon? I could never go that long without my system. I use it almost everyday in one form or another.
What Cinepro amp do you own and what speakers are you using?

[stopdog]

Wirebill,

I am having the exact same problem with the screen on my FAPT1. Sometimes it comes on on the first try, sometimes it takes many attempts. The local dealer I bought it from offered to swap it for the one he has on the showroom floor while mine is getting repaired. But like you I figured its not that big of a problem, I'd rather just wait for the upgrade program to the plus. I love my T1 except for this little problem.

C Wood, thanks for the info. I'll contact Joe Dahlquist or ask my dealer to do it. Can you give a clue as to what the fix involves ? Will it require the T1 to be sent back to the factory ?

By the way I don't hear any hiss in my system even at high volumes. I have two Earthquake Cinenova 3 channel amps, Monitor Audio Gold Ref speakers, and RP-82 DVD player.

Rod

[cwood]

Originally posted by stopdog


C Wood, thanks for the info. I'll contact Joe Dahlquist or ask my dealer to do it. Can you give a clue as to what the fix involves ? Will it require the T1 to be sent back to the factory ?




The fix involves adding one component part, a resistor as I recall, from a power supply buss to ground. We can't encourage customers to attempt to install the part themselves but a competent dealer tech could certainly do it . I would suggest calling Joe Dahlquist.

Incidentally, the new PLUS has a subtantially lower noise floor.

Charles Wood
Fosgate Audionics
RHG

[Darian]

Originally posted by wirebill
Darian,
Did you have a problem with your Fosgate processor?
Why did you pack it up so soon? I could never go that long without my system. I use it almost everyday in one form or another.
What Cinepro amp do you own and what speakers are you using?

I didn't pack it up. My unit required service so when it came back I just never got around to opening it. The + unit was already being talked about here and at the dealer. I heard "should be ready and annonuced in a few weeks" Well that has gone on for some time now.

2 other issues that keep the unit in the box.

My original unit was one of the early units. The replacement was sent out some time ago so I am pretty sure it will have the crossover issue.

Fosgate has stated that the trade in value of the unit wold be related to what you paid orignally. Well I got my unit back when they were $3000 and you paid real close to it to have it when it first came out. So if I am not going to get a good credit towards the new unit I owuld have to sell this one. Open the box and the value of the unit comes crashing down in a hurry. Its hardenough to sell it but opned box I would really take a beating.

The upgrade program has been delayed for some time so maybe the poklicy has changed. Saddly once you get used to not having a wokring system you spend more imte at work... how depressing.

Just waiting and waiting for the new unit and hopefully a decent trade in program.

Saddly enough... I don't think I could sell this unit and get much out of it to put into the new processor. I put it up on audiogon and GOT ZERO OFFERS. That was for a factory sealed box with Over 30% off of retail when I bought it.

Early unit had the hissing. There were a few other things with it too and Fosgate ws very receptive about trying to help me with it. Finally answer was... we want to see that processor. Sent it in and it took a while before the dealer gave me the replacement.

How do I go so long? I am the sort that comes home and watches an hour or 2 of TV / DVD EFD. It doesn't matter if I got in at 1:00AM I love my HT. Welll saddly I sort of self emposed this ban in a ttempt to not hemerage money... Getting off of soap box, stepping off of cross.

I have a Cinepro 3k6seIII/Gold. For speakers I have the NHT T6/M6 system. They replaced a 2.9/ac2/1.5 system. Now that I have powered subs... it seems strange that my upper drivers get more juice then the subs.

[GRCRYSTYK]

Wirebill,..stopdog,..
Boy I hope you guys talked to Joe,...as he has gone way past the line of good service for me. I have been extremely busy lately, and haven't had time to do much anything but work. I get on this machine at night, and slip in at noon sometimes, but otherwise it's been nose to the stone. A little at a time, I was gathering what I could, about how best to contact Fosgate, concerning my T1.
I saw this thread started by wirebill, and replied a couple times. He had asked if I was happy with the T1, and if I was interested in the T1+. I explained I was very interested in the + unit, and was anxious to see it released, not only for the upgrades, but possibly to take care of a hiss problem I was having with the T1. Nothing aggressive, just mentioned it.
Son of a gun, the next day, I had a message from Joe at Fosgate, asking if I would call, so he could get the problem resolved in one way or another.
Now thats proactive,..The manufacture came to me, and requested to resolve my problem, instead of waiting for me to beat on their door, or run and hide as long as they could. Less than one hour after my phone call with Joe, I had a unit on it's way to me. You can't beat that for service!

My hat is off to Fosgate. Above and beyond!
Thanks GRCRY,...>>>--->

[wirebill]

GRCRYSTYK,
I'm sorry that I didn't get back sooner, I was away on a personal matter.

I am happy that Joe at Fosgate contacted you and that you are having your problem taken care of. It certainly shows that they are concerned with their customer's happiness. I never heard of any company hunting down customers to do the right thing. Now that's service.

Did you receive the new unit yet, if so, did it take care of the hiss? Are you happy with it?

I wish that they would release the T1 plus, I'm getting anxious.

Thanks,
Bill G

[GRCRYSTYK]

Bill,..
I'm anxious as well,....I guess there is the old saying,...."Good things,.... come to those who wait" I'm sure the + is going to be a killer, and worth the wait.
You are correct,..Can't beat that service with a stick. The new unit is up and running, I am putting it through some break in right now. Much better right off the bat, so I'm sure we are in store for better listening in the future. Been out a few days, and will be trying to get some time with it soon.
Keep your ears peeled for the release of the +
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[wirebill]

GRCRYSTYK,
It's nice to see that Fosgate did the right thing for you and that you already see an improvement. Did you have to return your old unit before they sent out the new one? I hate the thought of being without a processor and having to wait two weeks or so for shipping both ways.
I was watching a movie last night and again the screen would not come on. I will definitely be going for the T1 plus when it is available. Like you said, I guess I will just have to be patient.

Bill

[Paul Scarpelli]

I have a very, very early FAP-T1, and I have no complaints about the noise floor, even with fairly sensitive speakers (92 dB.) I've heard other brands that use the same basic platform, and the noise level is somewhat annoying. I don't know if it's a gain structure issue, or the fact that Jim and Charlie are fanatics on using premium low-noise, low distortion components in the audio signal path, but the FAP-T1 is quieter. When the three of us were at the old Fosgate Audionics, Jim would specify op amps that cost ten or fifteen times as much as what everyone else was using because they sounded more neutral, smoother, and they were quieter.

When the Plus comes out, I will snag one for my theater, you betcha... Oh, and I've had no display problems with my FAP-T1, which has been used every day for two years.

[wirebill]

Hi Paul,
I realized that the only time I really hear noise is when I run television programming through the Fosgate and I believe that it is most likely a degraded signal from the cable company. I never hear it with CDs or DVDs.
I have had my unit for 16 months and I am happy with it except for the occasional problem with the screen. I will definitely be trading up to the T1 Plus when it is available.
Thanks,
Bill

[filecat13]

Originally posted by Paul Scarpelli
When the Plus comes out, I will snag one for my theater, you betcha... Oh, and I've had no display problems with my FAP-T1, which has been used every day for two years.

No display or other problems here, either. The FAP T1 has been a rock.

[Alimental]

I've heard from Fosgate that the + is now is in final software debugging on the prototypes and they've implied that production won't start for another 20-30 days, when that is done. Then they'd have to get it over here, probably a minimum of 45-60 days realisiticly total. Mid August, IOW. It always takes longer than one thinks........

[dsmith901]

Charles,

Any word yet on the trade-in program? Will it only be available to original owners? And will it include your authorized on-line vendors?

[Ed Weinman]

Isn't it about time that the Fosgate site contain info re: the new T1 plus processor?

[Alimental]

I think it's normal for a website to not talk about models that are as yet unavailable. That would just further the chaos. Not that this has stopped companies before, Acurus in the case of their Act 3, for instance.

[GRCRYSTYK]

Ed,..
And others that may be anxious. When I talked with Joe at Fosgate a while back, he mentioned, he likes to keep pretty tight lipped about production, and release dates. Too many things can pop up, and ruin expectations. He would rather wait a bit longer, and be able to give us solid info.
It can't be long now,....
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[wirebill]

GRCRYSTYK,
I have to agree with you that it can’t be too much longer. Back on May 30th, when I started this thread, Charles Wood said:

“We expect to be shipping the PLUS this summer and we'll announce details of the trade-in program and final product specifications within the next few weeks.”


Let’s hope that it happens soon and that they have a reasonable trade-in program.
Bill G

[GRCRYSTYK]

Cedia next week,........;)

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[Darian]

I think I have had that FAPT1 in a box for 2 F'ing years. Shesh!

I guess that makes me the dumbF who thought ohh yeah. They showed at CEDIA no reason to open up this one. Just keep it packed for exchange.

Anyone got a hammer I can bang against my head?

[filecat13]

Originally posted by Darian
I think I have had that FAPT1 in a box for 2 F'ing years. Shesh!

I guess that makes me the dumbF who thought ohh yeah. They showed at CEDIA no reason to open up this one. Just keep it packed for exchange.

Anyone got a hammer I can bang against my head?

I've got a nice Craftsman hammer I bought in 1999, but I haven't taken it out of its plastic head protector yet. I'm afraid that might ruin its value in the future. :p





Hey! HEY! Put that down. I was just kidding. :eek:

[Darian]

I am actually considering getting a receiver now... Ok 2 years of no sound will drive any serious enthuist a littly nuttier!

Rep said that Fosgate was going to bring a demo to a show that was a little before Cedia. The piece did not make it.

What happend at Cedia with Fosgate?

[cwood]

Originally posted by Darian
I am actually considering getting a receiver now... Ok 2 years of no sound will drive any serious enthuist a littly nuttier!

Rep said that Fosgate was going to bring a demo to a show that was a little before Cedia. The piece did not make it.

What happend at Cedia with Fosgate?

The final version of the FAPT-1 Plus was shown at CEDIA at our booth. We expect production to begin within the next couple of weeks.

Charles Wood
Fosgate Audionics

[ninja.rogue]

Why is there no info on your website?
How do you expect people to order something that they just don't know about? :)

[Darian]

Charles,

Thanks for the update. Looks, some how, familiar. :)

Offer the unit s for trade in before you release to the general public. (Total pipe dream.) Spawns consumer confidence. (Yeah right!) Makes perspective buyers think... "Customers come first!" (pssstthshapsnoasn) Who am I kidding. I will be right here waiting like I have been.

Sorry everyone...
Its a little after 6AM and I became an uncle about 70 mins ago.

[wirebill]

Charles,

"The final version of the FAPT-1 Plus was shown at CEDIA at our booth. We expect production to begin within the next couple of weeks."



When will the new FAP- T1 Plus be available as a trade in / upgrade and how much should we expect to pay for this upgrade program?


Thanks,
Bill G

[Darian]

Hmm.

I think I remember a thread from way back that said it would be available for the differances in retail prices. This was when they has a guestimate MSRP for the Fosgate.

Serach time I guess...

[wirebill]

On Sept. 27, 2004 Charles wood said: " The final version of the FAPT-1 Plus was shown at CEDIA at our booth. We expect production to begin within the next couple of weeks."

It has been sixteen weeks since then. Has anyone heard anything yet?

Bill G

[filecat13]

It's like a cone of silence has engulfed FA. My e-mails go unanswered. The Web site does not change. FA's usual voices do not speak to us.

W'up? :confused:

[josex]

I acctually saw one here at a local shop in Sweden today.
So they have probably started shipping them now.

[wirebill]

On 5/30/04, in this thread, Charles wood said:
"We expect to be shipping the PLUS this summer and we'll announce details of the trade-in program and final product specifications within the next few weeks."
On 9/27/04 he said:
"The final version of the FAPT-1 Plus was shown at CEDIA at our booth. We expect production to begin within the next couple of weeks."

As far as I know we haven�t heard anything after that.
It does seem strange.

BillG

[cwood]

Originally posted by wirebill
On 5/30/04, in this thread, Charles wood said:
"We expect to be shipping the PLUS this summer and we'll announce details of the trade-in program and final product specifications within the next few weeks."
On 9/27/04 he said:
"The final version of the FAPT-1 Plus was shown at CEDIA at our booth. We expect production to begin within the next couple of weeks."

As far as I know we haven�t heard anything after that.
It does seem strange.

BillG

The PLUS has been shipping since December. I've been promised by the sales guys that the details of the trade in program will be announced by the end of next week.

I'm also pushing to get the new product spec up on our website. Unfortunately, our web guy is overloaded and we seem to have to wait in line behind the 12 volt guys!

Here are the key improvements in the PLUS version:

Improved analog output stages with Burr Brown op amps

Typical 10dB improvement in S/N performance over original version

RS232 port

PL2x capable

7.1 external loopthrough

Digital or analog bass management can be applied to external analog sources through the 7.1 path

Improved remote

Improved FM tuner

Video bandwidth extended to over 80 Megs (limited by RCA jacks)

7" 16:9 display with SD sources transcoded to component out

Group delay for aligning dialog with video

Three coax inputs; three optical inputs

Dolby Headphone

Thanks for your patience!

Charles Wood
Fosgate Audionics
RHG

[stopdog]

Charles,

Thanks for the update. I will check with the local dealer for any trade in news. I'm still having the problem with the LCD screen not coming on all the time. Have not done anything about it though, been waiting for this news. I really enjoy my FAPT1, the sound is simply incredible.

One thing I would hope for in the + is the ability to turn off the screen with the remote.

Thanks,
Rod

[GRCRYSTYK]

stopdog,..
From conversation with Joe Dalquist at Fosgate, that too, is one of the great improvements.

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[wirebill]

Charles,
Thank you for responding. I will be looking for the trade in details. Like "Stopdog", I am also having problems with my screen, but have been waiting for the trade in option. The improvements sound great.
Thanks,
Bill G

[jgman]

I will also be anxiously waiting to hear the trade-in details. I was about to purchase elsewhere but will now wait for the FAPT+.

[Darian]

Uhh not to say too much...

I work for a dealer and we don't have the trade in program details yet.

Infact my personal unit has been awaiting the trade for like two years.

[cwood]

Originally posted by Darian
Uhh not to say too much...

I work for a dealer and we don't have the trade in program details yet.

Infact my personal unit has been awaiting the trade for like two years.

SEE MY NEW POST FOR DETAILS OF THE FACTORY DIRECT TRADE IN PROGRAM.

Charles Wood
Fosgate Audionics
Rockford Home Group

[dsmith901]

Originally posted by cwood
SEE MY NEW POST FOR DETAILS OF THE FACTORY DIRECT TRADE IN PROGRAM.

Charles Wood
Fosgate Audionics
Rockford Home Group

Charles, please clarify "DPLIIx capable" as to whether that means it has it now or will get it later. Thanks.

Dsmith

[cwood]

Originally posted by dsmith901
Charles, please clarify "DPLIIx capable" as to whether that means it has it now or will get it later. Thanks.

Dsmith
It has PL2x onboard.

Charles Wood
Fosgate Audionics
RHG

[dsmith901]

Originally posted by cwood
It has PL2x onboard.

Charles Wood
Fosgate Audionics
RHG

Thanks. Any plans for EQ or did I miss that as a feature?

[filecat13]

Originally posted by cwood
The PLUS has been shipping since December. I've been promised by the sales guys that the details of the trade in program will be announced by the end of next week.
.........
Thanks for your patience!

Charles Wood
Fosgate Audionics
RHG

Everything sounds good. You know we'll be checking the Web site on the 4th, right? If it's not ready to be posted yet, will you spill the beans here?

We've been very good.

[nittany01]

Hi, need some help. I just install a new FAP T1 last night and the video switching on DVD component input)degrades the picture tremendously-basically unwatchable. Also the XBOX component input (video1) gives me a big green push. The Component cables are installed correctly-any ideas. Is the unit defective. I hope it is a simple issue I am missing-I'm ready to put this thing thru its paces but it's disheartening that this is happening.

Thanks,
Greg

[PHSJason]

You may have a defective unit, but first, you must rule out other items.
First, start by connecting your DVD player directly to your TV with the DVD output cable, then, gently wiggle each of the cables at both ends to see if you have an intermittent cable issue.
Second, use T1 output cable and go from the dvd player to the TV and once again wiggle each connector.
third, repeat this with the XBOX. Also on the each cable, trace each colored wire from one end to another to ensure that the blue is blue at both ends. It is very rare but it does happen where a company gets one wrong.
lastly, connect everything with your known good cable through the T1 and if you are still having picture issues, call Fosgate and have them RA your unit.

Jason

[goldear]

"Also the XBOX component input (video1) gives me a big green push."
---------------------------------------------

Not being familiar with your TV set...make sure that you have your tvs component input set to Y,Pr,Pb and not RGB. Not doing so, could result in this green screen you're getting.

[nittany01]

Thanks Jason and goldear for your replys to my problem. I hooked up my old Sony DVD player and it switched thru fine-it appears my Yamakawa is having compatibility problems for some reason. I called Xbox support and he said perhaps the component adapter is defective or maybe the Xbox.Perhaps the Fosgate can't read the component adapter-I'll have to look into it a little further.:)

[Ed Weinman]

I've posted this on the Fosgate trade-in site but...

www.audioadvisor.com

is selling (at least via their latest catalog) the new Fosgate FAP T1+ and the Fosgate FAA M1 5-Channel upgradeable modular amp. (The last time I checked the site, however, I did not see them.) The prices for both appear to be list: $3,500 for the T1+ and $2,640 for the amp.

[filecat13]

Ed, I don't see them either. I'll order a catalog. Thanks for the tip.

[Ed Weinman]

filecat 13,

It's strange not having the AudioAdvisor site updated. The catalog shows the two Fosgate's as "new" items, though.

The thing that concerns me is Fosgate's own site not having any updated info for many months. Yet, here the 2 units suddenly appear at AudioAdvisor. Where is the "backup" support for the Fosgate units by Fosgate? Where is their own documentation (via their site)?

I hope that all is well with the company.

[filecat13]

Still no news. I'm not going to part with my FAP T1 until I know there's an actual product that can be shipped back in a reasonable time. Unless someone has actually done the upgrade program and can tell me about it, the fact that FA can't update its Web site or provide a spec sheet is troubling.

Two weeks ago I e-mailed FA support requesting a source for parts/repair for my FAA 1000.5 amp. As of today, I've received no response.

Is anybody there?

[Darian]

Even better I called them months ago and still no call back.

I would love to get the FAP-T1 Out of here. I never opened it and it just takes up space awaiting the upgrade. I bought other gear when I chaged jobs...

[Mr Pink57]

Originally posted by wirebill
On Sept. 27, 2004 Charles wood said: " The final version of the FAPT-1 Plus was shown at CEDIA at our booth. We expect production to begin within the next couple of weeks."

It has been sixteen weeks since then. Has anyone heard anything yet?

Bill G

I talked with my rep a few days ago on this product, he said they are working on some bugs with the product and hope to have them worked out soon.

vis

[Ed Weinman]

The 1+ is presently being sold at:

www.audioadvisor.com

When I last checked the web site, it was not there; but, the latest catalog from audioadvisor has it included as a "new" item.

[PHSJason]

Our showroom model T1+ arrived yesterday. Took about 4 days regular ground from the order date(normal for our location). It will be about two weeks until we install it(still framing the new demo room). If anyone is interested, or on the fence, I can upload some pictures of the front and back and scan the manual into a .pdf file.

Jason

[wirebill]

PHSJason,
I am interested in seeing some pictures of the new "plus". I would also like your opinion as to how it compares to the Fap T1 in all areas.
Thanks,
Bill

[Capfacsurf]

I read in another thread, that the FAP T1 is a rebadged, LCD impregnated, Outlaw 950. Anyone here disagree?

[goldear]

I believe that while they used the same basic platform from (I think) Eastech, Fosgate and Co. requested several revisions to that platform...including the analog section. I think you would be surprised at how many smaller companies now have to outsource in order remain competitive.

Parasound and many others have done the same thing, using the Flextronics platform (formerly SRS and now Vinci labs). However, each company still has the oppurtunity to design and revise that platform within reason (DACs, Op-amps, etc)...making them still unique in different ways. Heck, some are saying the new Outlaw and Sherwood P-965 are using the same platform...with the new Outlaw having further revisions from the 965.

[PHSJason]

Sorry it took so long, we have been busy. Out of the box, everything is usual Fosgate(double boxed, home theater master MX-700 remote etc)Haven't hooked it up yet, we are still finishing wiring and electrical so we are still a few weeks out.

Here are the pictures so far. The manual is still scanning.

Jason

[PHSJason]

Back of the unit small

[PHSJason]

front of unit small

[PHSJason]

The larger versions are too big to attach here and I am sure that the .pdf of the manual will be too big as well. Drop me a line and I'll zip them up and send them off.

Jason

[filecat13]

Thanks for the pics, Jason. you have a PM.

[dr150]

Can you please describe the functional improvements that have been made versus the original "non-plus" version?

i.e....
Does the LCD turn itself off automatically, for instance? Have the fonts for radio gooten larger so one could read from a distance?

[filecat13]

Originally posted by dr150
Can you please describe the functional improvements that have been made versus the original "non-plus" version?

i.e....
Does the LCD turn itself off automatically, for instance? Have the fonts for radio gooten larger so one could read from a distance?

That would be nice, huh? And maybe a software interface that doesn't look like DOS 2.0 with a blue screen.

[Ed Weinman]

Can someone please explain what has happened with this company's lack of promoting their product? The web site seems to have "died" in 04/04...no further updates on "new" products...where are the public announcements/promotions of their own product?...who would know about it?...

Any thoughts?

[PHSJason]

I sent out copies of the manual today, the total file is a little over 27 megs. If anyone has any problems receiving it, let me know, I can break it up and send it as smaller chunks. I will be out of town until Tuesday May 3rd however.

Jason

[PHSJason]

Originally posted by filecat13
And maybe a software interface that doesn't look like DOS 2.0 with a blue screen.

The on-screen still looks the same, but it looks a lot like Harman's, Denon's, and a few others. Blue background, basic, easy to read info. I do like the option to have the on screen info displayed on the component outputs and the ability to turn it on or off for each video source connected. We will get this thing installed one of these days and then run a full test and review.

Jason

[PHSJason]

Originally posted by dr150
Can you please describe the functional improvements that have been made versus the original "non-plus" version?

i.e....
Does the LCD turn itself off automatically, for instance? Have the fonts for radio gooten larger so one could read from a distance?

I don't know about the radio fonts, but the screen now remembers it's last state i.e. if you turn it off, it stays off, and there is the ability to turn it on/off via the remote as well as switch sources from the remote.

Charles would be the one to go into details about the internal differences between these two units. I will post a review of the functional differences as soon as we get the system completed. Anything anyone would like me to test, I will be glad to do as time allows. Currently, we will be using almost every audio input including the 7.1ch analog, the IR section for one remote and the RS-232 for the zone 2 function as well as the multiple component video outputs and zone 2 video functions to feed a projector and a plasma. All in all, we are going to put it through it's paces.


Jason

[dr150]

Originally posted by PHSJason
I sent out copies of the manual today, the total file is a little over 27 megs. If anyone has any problems receiving it, let me know, I can break it up and send it as smaller chunks. I will be out of town until Tuesday May 3rd however.

Jason

Can you host it on th web, sincethe file is too big for email?......

[PHSJason]

I would upload it if I could. Our website is still under development and I don't know of anywhere else to post it.

Jason

[PHSJason]

Here is the Data Page from the manual with the specs on it.

Jason