DVD changer with SACD/DVD-A?

[dennya]

Anyone know of a 5-disc progressive-scan DVD player that supports SACD and DVD-Audio? DVI/HDMI output would be great as well (not too demanding, am I?) but component would be okay...

[Ovation]

The Onkyo CP-802 is a six disc changer that does all you ask, save DVI/HDMI and it retails for 499$ (though it's selling for around 50$ less in various places). Do a search here and over at Home Theater Forum and you'll find some reviews. Haven't read a negative report yet. There are others slated for release soon, less expensive, but the only other one I know of is a Toshiba which has been recalled owing to a whack of problems--unusual for them but everybody has a bad day.

[Rijax]

There is the new Onkyo DV-CP802 (http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=DV-CP802&class=DVD&p=i) which is apparently available at J&R (http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=3988261&JRSource=linkshare.datafeed.ONK+DVCP802B).

Strangely, the J&R page doesn't mention SACD, but the Onkyo page most definitely does. Should you be interested in this model, since this is very new release, wherever you find it on the internet, you should check to be sure the vendor really has it in stock, before ordering.

[Shane Martin]

Denny,
Those are your only 2 options right now. I owned a Toshiba for a little bit before it crapped out and ate my disc.

The Onkyo looks OK but their test results from Secrets haven't been appealing yet.

I'm thinking about buying a nice Single disc DVD-Audio/HDMI player like the Panasonic S97 when it comes out and then getting a Sony SACD ES 5 disk changer to go along with it. Sony is coming out with one soon for $399. That would put me over the price of the Onkyo but I think it will sound better especially considering the SACD ES changer. Their ES pieces are extremely good. I'm very happy with my current ES changer.

[lsarver]

Originally posted by Shane Martin
The Onkyo looks OK but their test results from Secrets haven't been appealing yet.

Are you referring to the review of the older DV-SP800, published in February 2003?

[dennya]

Hmm... The Onkyo looks pretty cool, but I was hoping for something with a DVI or HDMI output, since the Samsung HLP series dropped the third component input and I had plans for the two it already has.

Looks like I have a choice of 5-disc support or digital output.

[dartinbout]

I got my Onkyo DV-CP802 from B&H Photo on Friday after returning my Toshiba SD-6915. Wow, what a difference in build qualtiy and performance from the Tosh. The remote, the interface and menu's are all light years better. As a rank amateur audiophile, my first impression as to the sound quality, is that it's more spacious, tight and very neutral in comparison to my Panasonic CP-72 and the SD-6915. I can't comment on the video portion as I haven't even hooked up the component interface as this is going to be primarily an audio component. It's handling of DTS discs is excellent as it pass's the info via the multi-channel interface (unlike the 6915 but as the CP-72 did). Disc load times are much faster then either of the other 2 players mentioned. It does Random play amongst the discs (ahhh, heaven is seamlessly having a player move between DVD-A, SACD and DTS). There appears to be a way to create playlists as well! This is the player I've been waiting for since I discovered multichannel music. It has no real bass management I can find nor is the cross over point obvious, but speaker management cam be defeated in favor of your receiver.

[Enigma]

There is also an Integra version; the Integra DPC-8.5. Appears to be the same player with a few extra connections; still no digital video or 1394 out.

enigma

[JakiChan]

Let me throw my questions in here and see if anyone has any advice.

Video PQ isn't the main issue for me as I am looking more to the audio side. I started looking for a DVD-A and SACD player and then thought it might be cool to have a changer again. I don't really have room for one in my current setup but I 2 have 2 DVD players and could rid of one.

I mostly use my Mac connected via DVI to the TV for DVDs but the Mac sucks at playing interlaced discs. So the primary purpose for this player would be a DVDA/SACD/CD changer along with some DVD playback for interlaced material. My question is trying to decide if the Onkyo is worth the more than 2X cost over the Toshiba. That Toshiba is attractive and I could start enjoying multi-channel audio soon or have to wait until I can afford the Onkyo. So if it's primarily audio duty is the Onkyo still worth the extra $?

[dennya]

Reading all the gripes about the Toshiba would send me running from it.. It sounds like it's causing far more problems than the typical piece of consumer electronics. And Ovation's post indicates it was actually recalled...

I'm going for the Onkyo unless I find another alternative.

[GFelizardo]

Regarding JakiChan's question:
For ME, the Onkyo is worth the extra money. You can see where the money went in the build quality, user interface, quality control, features (random play on toshiba is ONLY for CDs, on Onkyo, it is all disc types, direct disc access on remote and front of Onkyo, neither on toshiba), video output, and sound quality. CDs sound smoother on the Onkyo, DVD-A and SACD also have more depth and impact on the Onkyo IMO. However, the Toshiba was pretty good at least in sound quality. It was comparable to my Pioneer 563a, which sounded darn good when I first started listening to the formats. So no, if sound quality is your ONLY criteria, I would not pay 450 for the Onkyo vs 169 for the Toshiba (it's almost 3X as much).
I will be sticking with the Onkyo for the next few years until the next gen HD format is around and at least in the same price range.
Hope that helps

[dennya]

How is the interface for MP3 playback on the Onkyo? I like to collate all of my little boy's CDs onto one MP3 CD so he doesn't have to mess with the changer. :-)

[Enigma]

Anyone know if the Integra version actually offers any improvements, other than cosmetic and a few extra connections? Also, anyone know the msrp for the Integra?

[GFelizardo]

According to the press release on this site, the MSRP is $700, but my dealer quoted $799. I think he was trying to get me to buy it, because then he quoted a price which was lower than both those prices.

According to the specs, the Integra has video black level control, and it lists a frequency response for 192kHz sampling (the Onkyo lists nothing). The black level control is something I wished my Onkyo had; it does not pass PLUGE in progessive. Other technical specs show just a little bit better numbers, but I don't know if they really mean anything.

[mrtanner]

I can't find the Onkyo or the Integra anywhere to look at. I've called dozens of places (including Onkyo and every dealer they recommended). I'd love to talk to a dealer that wasn't trying to get list price for these.

[GFelizardo]

The Integra I can find locally; the Onkyo I cannot. I ordered the Onkyo from OneCall.

I don't know if I can post a dealer name, but the dealer is in Whitehall, PA.

[GFelizardo]

Another difference between the Onkyo and Integra that I am interested in:
The Integra's first set of stereo outputs can ALWAYS output a stereo signal, no matter what kind of media is being played. The 2-ch downmix option I've been looking for. I'm going to consider selling the Onkyo and getting the Integra just so my wife doesn't get frustrated by not hearing any dialogue thru the TV speakers (after I've listened to a SACD or DVD-A).

[Blindamood]

Well, I'm definitely resurrecting an old thread, but I think it's worth it. I was recently setting up a new 2-channel system (got the 5.1 theater completed). In searching for a dedicated audio source, I considered a large number of options: single-disc CD player, mega-CD changer, single-disc SACD player, etc. etc. Then it struck me...why limit the type of music I can listen to because the manufacturer only supports this or that format?

I had purchased (a few months back) the Onkyo DV-SP1000 for my theater, and was amazed with the sound quality (not to mention the incredible upscaled pic over HDMI). So, my search eventually turned to its little brother, the DV-CP802. I did the research, checked all the related threads, reviewed the specs, etc., and found what I was looking for.

I've had this player hooked up to my system for about a week and a half now, and am delighted with the results. The sound quality is impressive, and it simply plays every audio format available! I set it up to play only the 2-channel track on each type of disc, since my pre-amp (B&K Reference 5) only accepts 2-channel RCA inputs. No problem. As a bonus, it also comes in silver, which complements the rest of my system nicely. It also provides a button to turn off the video circuitry and avoid any possible video interference, which is great 'cause I'm not using it for movies.

As for the price? Very reasonable for what this unit can do. 6-disc carousel that plays every format. List is about $500, but I got it for 20% less that that shipped, from an authorized online retailer (same place I got an amazing deal on the SP1000).

Highly recommended!

[jcmcwill]

hey brad, sounds great-does it do well with playback of dvd+r discs?

[phantom52]

Yamaha DVD-C750 plays everything and does it well. Does not have DVI/HDMI, but it's big brother due out in April will. That being the DVD-C950. The 750 can be had for under $400 and the 950 will list for $549. Extensive write-ups on the 750 at Audioholics.com.

[Blindamood]

Originally posted by jcmcwill
hey brad, sounds great-does it do well with playback of dvd+r discs?

Sorry, jcmcwill, I have not tried that (don't have any), so I cannot report.

[shokhead]

Originally posted by phantom52
Yamaha DVD-C750 plays everything and does it well. Does not have DVI/HDMI, but it's big brother due out in April will. That being the DVD-C950. The 750 can be had for under $400 and the 950 will list for $549. Extensive write-ups on the 750 at Audioholics.com.

The C750 is $299 at GG.

[Hairyfoot4]

Brad . . . quick question . . . does the player use the audio output of the SACD function for DVD's?

[Blindamood]

Hairyfoot...not really sure what you're asking here? Can you provide a little more description of what you're wanting to do?

[Hairyfoot4]

SACD player has 6 audio outputs: Left, Right, Center, RSurround, LSurround, and Sub. Are these outputs used for the normal DVD playback as well as the SACD?

[msantti]

I have a Sony DVP-NS555ES 5 disc changer.

Retail is $599 but I got it from Tweeter for $299.

Its a nice piece.

[Blindamood]

[QUOTE=Hairyfoot4]SACD player has 6 audio outputs: Left, Right, Center, RSurround, LSurround, and Sub. Are these outputs used for the normal DVD playback as well as the SACD?[/QUOTE]

Well, here's what I found in the User Manual (available from Onkyo's web site, btw):

Analog Audio Connection (Dolby Digital, DTS, DVD-Audio & SACD)
To fully enjoy the multichannel audio of DVD-Audio
and SACD, you need to connect the DV-CP802’s 5.1-
channel analog audio output to a multichannel analog
audio input on an AV receiver. Dolby Digital and DTS
soundtracks can also be fully enjoyed with this type of
connection.

Sounds like this is what you're looking for.

[shokhead]

[QUOTE=dennya]Anyone know of a 5-disc progressive-scan DVD player that supports SACD and DVD-Audio? DVI/HDMI output would be great as well (not too demanding, am I?) but component would be okay...[/QUOTE]

Yamaha C950

[CCarncross]

[QUOTE=Hairyfoot4]SACD player has 6 audio outputs: Left, Right, Center, RSurround, LSurround, and Sub. Are these outputs used for the normal DVD playback as well as the SACD?[/QUOTE]

It can be used that way, or you can also use a digital connection between the player and your av receiver. Most prefer to use the 5.1 analog connections for SACD/DVD-A playback, and the digital connection for everything else...most receivers have a simple remote toggle to switch between the two...

[mikedaul]

FWIW, I believe that the DRM of SACD makes it such that the audio can ONLY be passed via the analog outs.

[slaterson]

anybody have new information on cd/dvd changers? i'm in the market for a 'quality' cd/sacd/dvd-v/dvd-a changer and stumble on this thread. i was ready to purchase the onkyo 802 but discovered you can pretty much only get silver these days and got to wondering if the 802 is on it's way out.

wanting to get the latest and greatest, started looking more and found the yamaha c950, which is just a tad pricier than than 802. someone that has the c950, can you post your feelings on it? i have had bad luck with the only yamaha dvd product i have ever bought (dvd+-r is prone to a lot of skipping, and one store bought dvd will not play - the second disc of the wilco documentary).

thanks,
slate

[shokhead]

I was just reading reviews on that and something was missing and it dawned on me but it isnt DTS or did i miss that? I was comparing that and the Denon 2815.

[bri1270]

I've been trying to find a decent multi format player for about two months now. From all I can find there are 4 possibilities - the 802 - the Yamaha's C750 and 950, and the Toshiba 6915.

The Onkyo gets stellar audio reviews with okay video reviews. Yamahas get decent reviews in both, but the crossover is fixed at 120Hz for DVD-A and SACD, and they seem to have some mechanical "quirks" that owners seem to live with. Toshiba is a POS.

Black 802's can be found on Ebay and various web-stores, but I can't find them in any of the B&M's around my town.

Yamaha 750 can be found for about $200 less than the 950, but does not have HDMI...if that matters to you.

And you can find the Toshiba for short money, but it's a POS so I wouldn't bother.

[shokhead]

One quirk of the 750 is you cant turn the disc tray when its out so you can only load or unload one disc. No disc skip.

[slaterson]

same things i have found. the toshiba is a heap and the newest unit out is the yamaha 950... the hdmi probably isn't that big of a deal, but i'd like to have it if i can find a deal on a 950.

[swifty7]

I highly recommend the Yamaha c-950, I recently bought one from tweeters. I did hook it up to my mom's ED plasma panny via HDMI and I was mesmerized by the picture quality, can't imagine Blue-ray or hd-dvd doing it much better. This player is truly the jack of all trades, you can easy make it region free and can admirably convert PAL <> NTSC, it can play divx movies and jpg cd's flawlessly. It only chocked on dvd+R double layer media:( but played everything else I could throw at it!!!

[bri1270]

Swifty - thanks for the comments. How was the loading time on the 950? And will it automatically recognize the format of the disc that's being played?

Thanks

[swifty7]

well!!! the loading times aren't too bad and as for it recognizing the proper disc format.....don't know, I don't have any dvd-a or sacd to test it with, but it does say dvd-video when a movie is insterted!!! all in all.... a very solid player!!!!

[slaterson]

[QUOTE=bri1270]Swifty - thanks for the comments. How was the loading time on the 950? And will it automatically recognize the format of the disc that's being played?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
i've got a 940 right now (no hdmi and no dvd-a) and it DOES recognize disc formats automatically. i've tried with cds, dvd-video and sacd. i would imagine the 950 would do the same.

[bri1270]

cool, thanks for the information guys. I think I might check it out.

[shadow_zero]

[QUOTE=dartinbout]I got my Onkyo DV-CP802 from B&H Photo on Friday after returning my Toshiba SD-6915. Wow, what a difference in build qualtiy and performance from the Tosh. The remote, the interface and menu's are all light years better. As a rank amateur audiophile, my first impression as to the sound quality, is that it's more spacious, tight and very neutral in comparison to my Panasonic CP-72 and the SD-6915. I can't comment on the video portion as I haven't even hooked up the component interface as this is going to be primarily an audio component. It's handling of DTS discs is excellent as it pass's the info via the multi-channel interface (unlike the 6915 but as the CP-72 did). Disc load times are much faster then either of the other 2 players mentioned. It does Random play amongst the discs (ahhh, heaven is seamlessly having a player move between DVD-A, SACD and DTS). There appears to be a way to create playlists as well! This is the player I've been waiting for since I discovered multichannel music. It has no real bass management I can find nor is the cross over point obvious, but speaker management cam be defeated in favor of your receiver.[/QUOTE]

So the Onkyo DV-CP802 plays shuffle on all types of audio discs at the same time, unlike the Yamaha C750/C950?
Can the Onkyo be made region free easily? And can it play PAL dvd's?

Argh, and now I also come across the Integra DPC-8.5...!!!
Is there a summary somewhere on DVD-A/SACD changers?

[shokhead]

benchmarks did the 8.5

[poppunklovebaby]

Do Not Get The Onkyo 802!! It Is Already Almost 3 Years Old And Has No Hdmi Supprt With Very Poor Picture Quality. If You Want It For Audio, Fine, But Then You Should Just Get A Denon 1920 And Be Done With It. There Are No Worthwhile Changers On The Market Right Now. Wait A Couple More Months For The New Products!

[shadow_zero]

[QUOTE=poppunklovebaby]Do Not Get The Onkyo 802!! It Is Already Almost 3 Years Old And Has No Hdmi Supprt With Very Poor Picture Quality. If You Want It For Audio, Fine, But Then You Should Just Get A Denon 1920 And Be Done With It. There Are No Worthwhile Changers On The Market Right Now. Wait A Couple More Months For The New Products![/QUOTE]

Like I said, it's primarily for audio :)
So I'm totally not interested in HDMI.
And is there any guarantee that will be new models in a couple of months? I'm not in the position to wait a couple of months.

By the way, are DVD-A's region encoded??

I read that the Onkyo doesn't have a proper shuffle either, playing songs multiple times while others aren't played at all!

[poppunklovebaby]

yeah, i had an onkyo 802. the shuffle sucks. plays the same **** over and over. chooses maybe half the songs from each disc. its a real lame problem.cant be fixed! besides that, the audio is fantastic. load times are very fast. remote is wonderful, responsive and ergonomically correct. its a great, well built player with very very bad video for such an expensive macine.you are going to kick yourslf when the new ones come out with better quality. you are going to feel like a d**k.

[WaldorfSalad]

New ones of what? Please be specific.

[shadow_zero]

lol

What info do you have then about a new model?
You KNOW for a fact that Onkyo will release a new model?

[shadow_zero]

By the way, does the shuffle of the Yamaha DVD-C750 (aside from only shuffling 1 disc type at the same type), has the same shuffling issue as the Onkyo? (so playing songs multiple times while others haven't been played yet).

[shadow_zero]

I can get a refurbished model for pretty cheap, but I'm not really familiar with the concept of refurbished. Are that broken models that have been fixed and then sold again? Do they include the box and manual, or does that depend?

[DrOct]

I got a refurb Onkyo 802 from ac4l.com a few months back and it had the box and manual. I think in general refurbs are ones that got returned for whatever reason (sometimes an actual problem, probably sometimes just because the person didn't want it), and has been gone over and fixed/checked for problems. I've generally had pretty good luck with refurbished stuff. You also still get a warrenty and everything so... if it's crap you're probably covered (at least for a year or so).