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New Marantz Receivers have been announced for the European market. See the attached link. The most expensive has DVI switching;)
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=6668
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Last but certainly not least we get to the SR8500 (£999, December), which boasts 110W per channel, and introduces a copper-plated chassis, double bottom plate, toroidal transformer, and the not so small matter of DVI switching (two in, one out)…
avguygeorge
07-23-04, 04:08 AM
Great news--(not). This should devaluate my sr9300 ,pronto.
Landroval
07-23-04, 06:37 AM
I'm so bored in waiting. Looks good if the sound and build quality remains the same as before.
Originally posted by Enigma
New Marantz Receivers have been announced for the European market. See the attached link. The most expensive has DVI switching;)
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=6668
Pertinent text:
Last but certainly not least we get to the SR8500 (£999, December), which boasts 110W per channel, and introduces a copper-plated chassis, double bottom plate, toroidal transformer, and the not so small matter of DVI switching (two in, one out)…
Wow, thanks for the information! I wonder if they will have iLink as well :confused:
Funny that Europe is skipping the 8400 altogether, apparently that one was only intended for the American market.
CaptainKellog
07-23-04, 08:43 AM
Thanks for posting the link! I was wondering when Marantz was going to update the line.
graphicguy
07-23-04, 09:37 AM
Boy, that SR 8500 sounds "tasty". DVI and, I'll assume autocalibration of the SR7XXX model....well shielded, too. I-link would put it over the top.
I'm a Marantz fan. While not in the market, everything I've ever owned by Marantz was among the best sounding gear I had ever owned.
Kal Rubinson
07-23-04, 11:38 AM
As I posted about the Denon press meeting, the Marantz (and McIntosh) line show will be held in NYC on 8/3.
Kal
Originally posted by graphicguy
Boy, that SR 8500 sounds "tasty". DVI and, I'll assume autocalibration of the SR7XXX model....well shielded, too. I-link would put it over the top.
I'm a Marantz fan. While not in the market, everything I've ever owned by Marantz was among the best sounding gear I had ever owned.
I got some more information about the SR8500 from a pro on avforums (UK) (http://www.avforums.com) :
SR8500
- THX select
- Microphone setup
- 6 digital ins (3 opt, 3 coax)
- 2 DVI ins, 1 out
- 4 component ins, 1 out
- no iLink :( , since Marantz has no intention to offer iLink on the next generation of players
- no phono in :(
- video upsampling (not to DVI though)
- Remote Control of the SR7400
When I asked him what the possible compromises may be in order to bring the price down (compared to the SR8300), he replied:
Marantz are commited to the £999 price as that's where the serious action is.
I have no doubt that there will be some changes to the chassis and certain fittings to reduce the overall cost but I think that the major saving is that the 8300 has the very nice but rather expensive learning remote whilst the 8500 has the same one as the SR7400 (which is still pretty good).
Anyway, like stated in the homecinemachoice article, it will feature a copper-plated chassis, double bottom plate and toroidal transformer.
All in all, this seems to be a very interesting receiver at this price point :)
Yves
CaptainKellog
07-23-04, 09:12 PM
Any idea how close the SR8500 will be to the rated power of 110watts if all channels are driven?
Does anyone here have any idea when these might show
up in Canada?
Landroval
07-23-04, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by CaptainKellog
Any idea how close the SR8500 will be to the rated power of 110watts if all channels are driven?
At least the smaller models SR4400 and SR5400 will output the power they are advertised with. Both have been measured to output over 5x~80W continuous power to 5ch at 8ohm load.
NightRain
07-24-04, 11:43 AM
The 5400 measures 103 watts all channels driven and is a surprisingly great sounding receiver.
Landroval
07-24-04, 12:49 PM
Here's a pic of the new 4500. Looks ok:
http://www.avbuzz.com/eq/ma4500/ma4500.htm
http://www.avbuzz.com/eq/ma4500/SR4500_FRONT_350.jpg
http://www.avbuzz.com/eq/ma4500/SR4500_REAR_350.jpg
Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
As I posted about the Denon press meeting, the Marantz (and McIntosh) line show will be held in NYC on 8/3.
Kal
Anyone know if that happened (the announcement)? I've been lookng online in various places and havn't seen anything on it.
Kal Rubinson
08-04-04, 08:22 PM
The line show has come and gone but, unfortunately, we have been sworn to keep our mouths closed until 9/8. I know some will ignore that. ;)
Kal
Thanks Kal. Man 9/8, long time to wait. Is that when CEDIA is?
Kal Rubinson
08-04-04, 08:49 PM
CEDIA is September 8-12. I am willing to bet that the info will leak.
Kal
Sounds Simple
08-05-04, 01:57 AM
Asking a roomful of reporters not to report. How sensible is that? :)
Bob
:D :D :D
Since they are already anounced in Europe, I wouldn't think there would be too many secrets left....
Kal Rubinson
08-05-04, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Enigma
:D :D :D
Since they are already anounced in Europe, I wouldn't think there would be too many secrets left....
Then why do you ask?:cool:
Kal
I have so far only seen the pic posted above, and was curious what the rest of the line looked like (as well a more complete feature list). Perhaps that info hasn't been released openly in Europe, either; although the one pic did get out.
And mainly, because I'm nosy :)
Landroval
08-05-04, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Enigma
I have so far only seen the pic posted above, and was curious what the rest of the line looked like (as well a more complete feature list). Perhaps that info hasn't been released openly in Europe, either; although the one pic did get out.
The 7500 looks identical to the 8500 and the 5500 to 4500.
ChrisDixon
08-05-04, 02:58 PM
I'm still disappointed that Marantz has continued down the road of sacrificing audio and amp section for better video inputs and upconversion. The 8200/8300 had a bigger chassis, more power, and features to improve stereo playback (like dual differential DACs). While I'm happy to see better video switching, I am more likely to look towards separates or maybe Rotel when it comes time for me to upgrade my 8200. It's now 3 generations old and I'm not even tempted to upgrade, and that is saying something if you know me!!
Chris
Originally posted by ChrisDixon
I'm still disappointed that Marantz has continued down the road of sacrificing audio and amp section for better video inputs and upconversion.
Unfortunately this seems to be the trend, also with universal players: much more attention for the video section than for the audio section, whilst one would think that especially audiophiles are interested in the universal aspect of these players (SACD and DVD-A)
I wonder how the SR8500 will compare to the Sherwood R965. I read somewhere that Sherwood is actually building the receivers for Marantz.
Indeed they share the Cirrus Logic DSP: the Marantz will offer automatic speaker setup, and Sherwood will be offering such an update soon... coincidence?
FreddyW
08-05-04, 04:37 PM
I wonder how the SR8500 will compare to the Sherwood R965. I read somewhere that Sherwood is actually building the receivers for Marantz.
Indeed they share the Cirrus Logic DSP: the Marantz will offer automatic speaker setup, and Sherwood will be offering such an update soon... coincidence?
Nope- Sherwood builds Denon & Marantz in their facilty.
Please note- I've been a Marantz fan for a decade. However, I have to admit that paying for an upgrade & shipping, let alone the hassle of disconnecting everything and rehooking up, soured me a bit. The most improvement of the upgrade was to fix autoswitching, and RS-232 port. I mean, those should have worked from the get-go!
That being said, my SR-8200/8300 (8300 is 8200 guts w/the upgrade) is a fantastic piece. It rocks for home Theater. Not a big music person, so can't comment :)
But, I did just sell my unit for a fair price to a good friend who wanted the excellent unit for his own burgeoning theater.
I ordered the Sherwood Newcastle P-965 to run with my Parasound amps.
I look forward to the new unit. Jeff's (aka StereoJeff) commitment to answering queries from potential custmers, and the feedback he provides from factory regarding updates/upgrades strikes me as a bit a rarity in this day an age- an employee of a big company actually interested in what his customers want & need.
So, I pulled the trigger.
Look forward to giving my own report on this unit in the coming weeks
(um- sorry if I got offtopic!)
Here are links to Audioholics site with press releases from Marantz for three of the new receivers. Note that all are 7.1 :)
http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/cedia2004/marantzsr4500.php
http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/cedia2004/marantzsr5500.php
http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/cedia2004/marantzsr8500.php
DblHelix
09-10-04, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by YvesC
I got some more information about the SR8500 from a pro on avforums (UK) (http://www.avforums.com) :
SR8500
- THX select
- Microphone setup
- 6 digital ins (3 opt, 3 coax)
- 2 DVI ins, 1 out
- 4 component ins, 1 out
- no iLink :( , since Marantz has no intention to offer iLink on the next generation of players
- no phono in :(
Yves
Why would you want a phono in anyway? If you still play vinyl you should seriously consider getting a phono preamp, even the cheaper $250-300 ones sound ways better than the built in one on a receiver
Shane Martin
09-10-04, 02:18 PM
The 8500 is beginning to look like the reciever for me!
Landroval
09-10-04, 03:25 PM
The SR5500 looks very interesting. Or should I wait and see if there will be an OSE-version of some of those.
Do all the new Marantz receivers have AVLipsync delay feature? Thanks.
slick316
09-11-04, 02:05 PM
what does this mean, "component or S-video upconversion" it was in the description for the SR5500. does that mean it will upconvert any component or S-video signal to an HD signal?
That's a good question. My first thought would be that it's sort of a mis-print; and should be "composite or S-vid upconversion"; which is still sort of a mis-nomer, as their is typically no actual "upconversion" involved; but a transcoding of one signal type to another (so you can have just component going to your display, and all incoming composite or S-vid signals are transcoded into component, but still at 480i).
The other possibility is that it scales up to 1080i; but at this price point I doubt it. The typical feature for these newer mid-priced receivers is a convenience to allow you to run just one conncection to the display, and avoid having to switch inputs on the display regardless of source.
Maybe someone at the show can confirm or get more details?
I'm VERY interested in the 4500 and may be able to fit the 5500 in my budget.
Thanks for tipping me off about this in my other thread, Enigma!:)
But OH the waiting (October)! Why can't we have it NOW!?:D
Landroval
09-11-04, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Fraoch
But OH the waiting (October)! Why can't we have it NOW!?:D
I argee. I would like to get a 4500 or 5500 right now.
Perhaps anticipation is an integral part of their marketing strategy.:)
But it feels more like teasing to me.
On another note, I had never considered Marantz to be affordable enough for an average person like me. In fact, I'm not sure what D&M is thinking because this may eat into Denon sales (which D&M also owns). It might very well in my book - the 5500 has similar specs to the Denon 2105 (90W/ch, DPLIIx, preouts). However the Marantz gives up the sometimes-questionable automatic EQ feature for better amplifiers and DACs.
Hey, I have an SPL and know how to operate it. I know how to connect speakers in-phase. :rolleyes: And I also don't mind experimenting with crossover settings. Since the Denon 2105 auto-EQ seems to only correct for these parameters, I'd rather spend my money on better amplification and better DACs.
Jake Sm
09-11-04, 06:30 PM
wow , makes me happy to be going to work for a Marantz dealer!
This really bugs me when people say 'no i-link' as a negative.
Why do you need i-link? Why do you need 2 sets of DACs? You have a choice to make, use the players DACs or the amps DACs. I know it's been a traditional method to use the amps DACs as they have in the past been better. But.... are they still better? Here's my reasoning. Any universal player 'good enough' to have i-link usually has OUTSTANDING DACs correct? (at this point in time... consider the new Denons). So why would you bypass these dacs and pass this task on to the amp? Well, if they're better, you wouldn't. And if you look around at what players are out there I think the norm at this stage is that the players DAC's are better.
So this does not effect the amplifier choice at all, even for 'future proofing' because you're saying, in the future, that you're going to ignore the better conversion of a new player for your old camps klunky ones?
ok now I can take a breath - oh by the way for this price point the marantz 8500 looks VERY interesting, can't wait.
Other than the face plate, what really has changed behind the scenes on these two units?
Shane Martin
09-14-04, 12:41 PM
I'm strongly considering the 8500 right now. What a feature set indeed!
Since my plan is eventually to use seperates, what I really need is what I won't be replacing with seperates:
- DSP
- DACs
Amplifier power doesn't really matter, except for the short period of time I'll be without a five-channel amp (already have a 2-channel).
I'm considering the Marantz 4500 or 5500, the Yamaha 5790 or 5760 or the Denon 1905 or 2105.
They all have 32-bit DSPs and most of them don't specify what brand (the Denon 1905 uses an Analog Devices HammerHead SHARC, the others don't specify).
But only the Marantz and the Yamahas have 24bit/192 kHz DACs - the Denons both use 24bit/96 kHz DACs.
I may end up going with the weaker amps (Marantz 4500, Yamaha 5760) to save $$$ since they seem to have the same DSPs and DACs as their bigger brothers, but then I'll lose on resale value so I'm still not sure.:)
Forget about resale. But something to enjoy. Have a listen to the Pioneer VSX-1014TX. It will blow anything else in the price range away. And don't worry about the dacs or anything else. This model is an Elite in non-Elite clothing.
Originally posted by SSaull
Forget about resale. But something to enjoy. Have a listen to the Pioneer VSX-1014TX. It will blow anything else in the price range away. And don't worry about the dacs or anything else. This model is an Elite in non-Elite clothing.
I'm very interested in the 1014 because it has everything I'm looking for. I initially dismissed it because the Pioneer Canada website doesn't have it listed.
However, the first dealer I called, only about 5 minutes away, not only could get it, he has it in stock for only $800 CDN.:D
It's definitely on my audition list, maybe I'll take a drive down in a few minutes.:)
Landroval
09-18-04, 10:44 AM
Finally some info on the 7500 and 8500:
http://www.avland.co.uk/marantz/sr7500/sr7500.htm
http://www.avland.co.uk/marantz/sr8500/sr8500.htm
http://www.avland.co.uk/marantz/sr8500/rearlrg.jpg
mattburk
09-18-04, 03:42 PM
is that a usb port, just to the left of the dvi inputs, and does it say audio in?
Landroval
09-18-04, 04:14 PM
Wow, I did not notice that. It definitely looks like a USB-B 'jack' so the same thing that the 55/56TXi have. I can read the "in", but the first word I cant, although it does not look like "audio".
Jake Sm
09-18-04, 11:14 PM
Oh yes, I think I must play with this one! when do it ship?
Here's a strange question, and it probably has nothing to do with the sound but, what's up with the copper screws?
I notice Pioneer uses them too.
Just curious!
Edvard_Grieg
09-18-04, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Landroval
Wow, I did not notice that. It definitely looks like a USB-B 'jack' so the same thing that the 55/56TXi have. I can read the "in", but the first word I cant, although it does not look like "audio".
looks like it says 'usb in'
Will most probably be for software updates. They would be making a much bigger deal about it if it was some sort of LAN port.
mattburk
09-19-04, 02:23 AM
Software updates? I think thats what the rs232 port is for,
Edvard_Grieg
09-19-04, 03:19 AM
the rs232 port could be for automation as well though?
Landroval
09-19-04, 03:41 AM
It would be strange if it would be for updates in the SR8500, because the SR7500 does not have it while it also can be updated (via RS232).
Bill Mac
09-19-04, 07:37 AM
I think copper screws are used because the chassis is copper or copper plated.
Bill
slick316
09-19-04, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Bill Mac
I think copper screws are used because the chassis is copper or copper plated.
Bill
i dont think my SR5400 has a copper or copper plated chassis yet it still has the copper screws also.
Dark7pt1
09-19-04, 11:55 AM
Hello guys,
Does any one know if the new SR8500 will allow for more flexibility in the "bass management" department? I believe up till the x400 lines you could only set the Xover to 80 Hz. Would be nice if we could set it to as low as 40 Hz like you can with Denons (and most other brands). Besides, that minor nitpik, I've always loved the sound I've heard from Marantz receivers.
Thanks people!
Ouch. I've strained my eyes trying to figure out if it says 4-8 Ohms or 6-8 Ohms for the speakers.
Please, let it be 4-8 Ohms so I can be confident that it will properly drive Dynaudio speakers.
DJ_JonnyV
09-19-04, 11:12 PM
That does kind of look like it says, "USB In" on the left. Marantz uses the 232 port for upgrades. I would imagine that if it is USB in, then it would be similar to how the Elites use USB, by allowing you to run audio to it through your PC.
Landroval
09-20-04, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by Myki
Ouch. I've strained my eyes trying to figure out if it says 4-8 Ohms or 6-8 Ohms for the speakers.
Please, let it be 4-8 Ohms so I can be confident that it will properly drive Dynaudio speakers.
I dont think that would mean anything. It's THX Select, so by the specs it can drive 3.2 Ohm(=Zmin) speakers very well, and also it has a toroidial transformer which it self dont mean anything, but probably it's very generously sized and will give you the current you need.
To me it looks like 6-8 ohm.
Landroval
09-20-04, 12:04 AM
:D
Been straining my eyes on the SR8500 pic, does it have i-link or similar?
Barend
Aaarrrggghhh!
Finally a receiver with dvi switching- and it has no i-link, when I thought I could rid myself of the 6 analog in cables...
The Quest Goes On!
Cheers
mattburk
09-20-04, 05:27 PM
If your main concern is cable clutter I can see that, if it is sound quality then that is still up for debate as it all depends on the quality of dacs in the player vrs the receiver. Some people swear by the i-link some by the analog. When low end players get i-link then it should be standard in avrs, but for high end I think a lot more factors come into play.
Don't get me wrong, I wish it had it too, but I think the sound quality of the marantz in SACD/DVD audio, will challenge any player in its price range that has i-link.
Dark7pt1
09-20-04, 06:17 PM
MY only concern for the SR8500 is that it comes with more "bass management" options! Give us the choice to select 40 Hz!! :) Wonder if I say this LOUD enough Marantz will hear me? Hmmmm..
Other than that Marantz makes IMHO probably the best receivers on the planet!! Great build quality and very nice sound quality. :)
COME ON MARANTZ!! 40Hz!! If Denon and other manufacturers can offer it so can YOU!! :)
7500 anyone?
I just can't justify the price of the 8500 to myself. The DVI switching would be cool and all, but it looks like the 7500 will fit my needs pretty well for less than 1/2 the cost... I just can't find out much information about it. Isn't it supposed to be Gold next month ?
mattburk
09-20-04, 07:34 PM
Aside from the dvi and usb looking device the inputs and outputs are the same. The 7500 has a little bit less power, and all of the same decoding features except HDCD and thx. The 8500 has better shielding.
Dark7pt1
09-21-04, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by mattburk
Aside from the dvi and usb looking device the inputs and outputs are the same. The 7500 has a little bit less power, and all of the same decoding features except HDCD and thx. The 8500 has better shielding.
Yes but will any of the x500 series allow us to set the crossover down to 40 Hz??!!! :))
Ok, ok...I'll stop mentioning that and wait for more news...Ahhhh!!! I feel much better now! :)
Mike Up
09-21-04, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by SSaull
Forget about resale. But something to enjoy. Have a listen to the Pioneer VSX-1014TX. It will blow anything else in the price range away. And don't worry about the dacs or anything else. This model is an Elite in non-Elite clothing.
I wouldn't call the VSX-1014TX an Elite since it only weighs 19lbs. It's definitely missing something important as even low powered Denons and Yamahas weigh significantly more than that.
If you want an Elite, buy Elite, then you know how it's built and aren't guessing.
Have a good one.
Landroval
09-21-04, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by Mike Up
I wouldn't call the VSX-1014TX an Elite since it only weighs 19lbs. It's definitely missing something important as even low powered Denons and Yamahas weigh significantly more than that.
That's not correct, there's a mistake on the page.
The correct number is 15.4 kg (=34lb) for the 1014TX and 15.6 kg (34.4lb) for the 2014i/AX3i which is only an Europe/Asia/Australia model (but we dont have a 52TX or 54TX).
mattburk
09-21-04, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Dark7pt1
Yes but will any of the x500 series allow us to set the crossover down to 40 Hz??!!! :))
Ok, ok...I'll stop mentioning that and wait for more news...Ahhhh!!! I feel much better now! :)
Dude, Your consumed! lol
What is the email address for Marantz? Lets ask them directly.
Just for sound quality, I would choose the Marantz over the Denon AVR-3805 any day.
But of course selectable crossover frequencies is a must now, I don't want the sub to kick in at 80 Hz!
Agree I could live without dvi switching since AFAIK only DVD players have an hdmi output and they can be hardwired to the display.
But i-link IS important, especially in the case of Marantz that seems to have audiophile sound quality- rather have the receiver handle the decoding and apply the bass management etc. (if exists!).
Hope they'll get in touch with Sony...or call it IEEE1394 like Denon did, and pay less dues...
So it IS a pity they did not heed the signs of the time...
And I know it's a matter of taste, but I find these big clonkers butt ugly...
Barend
stonepran
09-21-04, 06:25 AM
The Marantz 4500 should be a great upgrade for me, my previous Marantz 4200 has been retired to the bedroom.
I believe the 4500 was spose to be available this month (September) any word why no one is selling them yet?
I guess Marantz is doing it by region. The Marantz SR4500 and SR5500 was introduced here in Manila the first week of September.
While the Marantz 8500 is the perfect receiver for me, I cannot afford $1700. I'm looking for a DVI switching receiver for around $500. Are there any good ones out there? Or am I asking for too much to get a DVI switching receiver for such a cheap price.
Originally posted by krajyk
I'm looking for a DVI switching receiver for around $500. Are there any good ones out there? Or am I asking for too much to get a DVI switching receiver for such a cheap price.
It's doubtful that you will find one with DVI switching in the $500 price range, for at least another model year. Because it's still more or less, a higher end feature. And even with them, it's still a newer feature that has only just now started to even come out on the higher end stuff. So it will probably be awhile before it makes it down to the mid range models, and even longer before it hit's some of the lower range models.
Shane Martin
09-21-04, 10:56 PM
While the Marantz 8500 is the perfect receiver for me, I cannot afford $1700. I'm looking for a DVI switching receiver for around $500. Are there any good ones out there? Or am I asking for too much to get a DVI switching receiver for such a cheap price.
I'm guessing for atleast 2 years you won't see a sub $500 dvi switching receiver.
Outlaw has one for under $1k(probably 800ish) but that is the closest you will come.
I inspected the manual for the SR5500 from the store and here is what I got:
- Crystal 192khz/24-bit DACs for all 7 channels
- Lip-Sync correction function
- crossover selectable from 80Hz, 100Hz, 120Hz
- gold champagne color
- binding post for speakers specify 6-8 Ohms
Dark7pt1
09-22-04, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Myki
I inspected the manual for the SR5500 from the store and here is what I got:
- Crystal 192khz/24-bit DACs for all 7 channels
- Lip-Sync correction function
- crossover selectable from 80Hz, 100Hz, 120Hz
- gold champagne color
- binding post for speakers specify 6-8 Ohms
Hello Myki,
Thanks for posting the specs for the SR5500! Interesting to see. But, you didn't by chance see the SR8500 there as well did you? As you, and the others know, I've been eager to find out if the SR8500 offers more crossover selection choices. I hope it's not also limited to 80-120Hz again. For some, this isn't important but for people like me we prefer more choice.
Don't understand why Marantz still insists not to give us the ability to set the crossover down to 40Hz still. As I've said, pretty much all the other brands allow you to do so. Denon for example. But I do prefer the sound of a Marantz more (I currently own a Denon 2700...am happy with it...but plan to upgrade...SR8500 or separates).
Have a good week!!
Dang, still that rotten 80 Hz crossover limit.:mad:
Perhaps they do this on purpose to maximize the available amplifier power?
Still, this is a plus for h/k (I'm deciding between the h/k 235/335 or Marantz 4500/5500).
graphicguy
09-22-04, 12:05 PM
I think the crossover being at 80Hz is left over from THX certification. Easy fix...If your speakers are capable of going down lower than say 60Hz...set your speakers to "large" during set-up. Even though my speakers are capable of ~50Hz, I still like the way they sound with the THX 80Hz specification as the crossover.
mattburk
09-22-04, 12:14 PM
If You set them to large do the fronts get the full frequency range?
Originally posted by mattburk
If You set them to large do the fronts get the full frequency range?
They should...which unfortunately saps power from the receiver though.
However Marantz has a feedback circuit to ensure power levels remain high.
mattburk
09-22-04, 12:38 PM
That is good to hear.
Landroval
09-22-04, 03:37 PM
It is USB and for WMA9:
Copper plated chassis, double bottom plate, toroidal transformer, customized components
DVI switching (2 in / 1 out)
Gold plated terminals
USB input (WMA9)
HDCD
slick316
09-22-04, 04:06 PM
looks like i might be getting the 7500, if my local store can confirm a price on it. $900 or less and i'm in.
now all i'll need to do is find a buyer for the SR5400 i already have ;)
Landroval
09-22-04, 04:24 PM
slick316, how do you like the Marantz + JMLab Chorus S combination? IMO It's one of the really great systems for music listening.
slick316
09-22-04, 04:59 PM
i love it so far. i definately need a sub, but these speakers sound great and i think they will sound even better when broken in (according to the local store owner, break in on the chorus series is about 60-70 hours).
i just bought a few SACD's and DVD-A's today and i can honestly say that i hear differences between these formats and regular cd's. for small bookshelves, they produce large speaker sound.
i'm not good at reviewing and describing stuff, but i think you can tell i like it :)
Shane Martin
09-22-04, 06:23 PM
slick,
Where in Oklahoma are you getting this marantz. I might be in the market soon for an 8500. PM if you don't feel comfortable mentioning their name in public.
Dark7pt1,
They only had the 4500 and 5500 on stock. They said the other models will follow in a few weeks.
I'm also a lover of the Marantz sound and I'm considering upgrading to the 7500 or 8500.
I also noticed that unlike my 7200, the 5500 will allow bass to come out of BOTH the main speakers (LARGE) and the SUBWOOFER. I'd like to use this feature when I listen to rock or new wave music. But normally, I use Source Direct (all LARGE), and I use the pre-outs of my receiver to connect to my subwoofer, and I set my sub's HPF to around 50Hz.
slick316
09-22-04, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Shane Martin
slick,
Where in Oklahoma are you getting this marantz. I might be in the market soon for an 8500. PM if you don't feel comfortable mentioning their name in public.
audio dimensions in norman. they also have a tulsa division i believe. the guy that works at the norman store is really nice to me (Craig). check out the Tulsa store and see how you like them.
i spoke to the audio dimensions corporate manager, he's the one in charge of ordering for each store. he thinks that the 7500 will be shipping in november, while the 8500 might be as late as december or january. the other, like the 4500 and 5500 should be next month.
I have two DVI sources (STB and DVD player) and one DVI input on my TV. My dvd player is a Denon 1910 that upconverts through DVI only. I want to get a dvi switching receiver such as the 8500 so that I can run both DVI inputs through the receiver. Unfortunately, the 8500 is out of my price range. If I go for the 4500, is it better to keep my DVD player connected DVI and lose the upconvert by going through the component switching of the 4500? If this is the case, are there receivers that upconvert through component?
Dark7pt1
09-23-04, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Myki
Dark7pt1,
They only had the 4500 and 5500 on stock. They said the other models will follow in a few weeks.
I'm also a lover of the Marantz sound and I'm considering upgrading to the 7500 or 8500.
I also noticed that unlike my 7200, the 5500 will allow bass to come out of BOTH the main speakers (LARGE) and the SUBWOOFER. I'd like to use this feature when I listen to rock or new wave music. But normally, I use Source Direct (all LARGE), and I use the pre-outs of my receiver to connect to my subwoofer, and I set my sub's HPF to around 50Hz.
Well, I'm in no hurry. Will most llikely be getting separates any how. Just wanted to see if Marantz would finally come around and offer more crossover settings. As I've been saying 40Hz would be great.
Lot's of THX cert prepro's and receivers allow the user to set the crossover below 80Hz.
Any how, guess I'll have to wait and see about the SR8500...if it doesn't offer more crossover settings...then I'm getting separates! :)
Later.
mattburk
09-23-04, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Dark7pt1
Well, I'm in no hurry. Will most llikely be getting separates any how. Just wanted to see if Marantz would finally come around and offer more crossover settings. As I've been saying 40Hz would be great.
Lot's of THX cert prepro's and receivers allow the user to set the crossover below 80Hz.
Any how, guess I'll have to wait and see about the SR8500...if it doesn't offer more crossover settings...then I'm getting separates! :)
Later.
Cant you just set all your speakrs to large with sub? I know that setting is available.
Landroval
09-27-04, 11:32 AM
Here we go again: http://www.prisjakt.nu/forum/index.php?showtopic=67172&st=30
*New Design 7 Channel amplifier from Marantz Japan Design Team - In Line Straight Seven Powerful Engine - 20w smart class A
*M.R.A.C. ( Marantz Room Acoustic Calibration )
*Cirrus Logic CS49400 32 BIT DSP
*Cirrus Logic CS42428 , 24BIT / 192KHz
*( CVBS => S-Video => Component )
*Lip Sync Control
http://www.prisjakt.nu/forum/uploads/post-33-1096048298.jpg
Looks so nice. Class A operation should be great, cant wait to hear it. The PM7200 is wonderful in Class-A mode.
Originally posted by Landroval
Here we go again: http://www.prisjakt.nu/forum/index.php?showtopic=67172&st=30
Can you translate what they are talking about? I'm just a stupid American who thinks everyone should speak English. :D :D
BTW, Anyone have an update on the 8500 US Release? :cool:
Landroval
09-27-04, 01:53 PM
There's not much to translate. They're just speculating and asking same questions as everyone else.
Originally posted by krajyk
I have two DVI sources (STB and DVD player) and one DVI input on my TV. My dvd player is a Denon 1910 that upconverts through DVI only. I want to get a dvi switching receiver such as the 8500 so that I can run both DVI inputs through the receiver. Unfortunately, the 8500 is out of my price range. If I go for the 4500, is it better to keep my DVD player connected DVI and lose the upconvert by going through the component switching of the 4500? If this is the case, are there receivers that upconvert through component?
I am in a similar situation to you, except that I have a Momitsu DVD player that upscales through component and DVI. I would love to connect my DVD player to the DVI connector but I don't want to lose my great HD picture for football games... (Although after watching the Bucs play the Raiders last night, I may change my mind... )
I get a very good picture through the Momitsu's component connection, but would like to connect it through DVI also. I tried both and the DVI connection is better than the component connection... at least to my eyes...
I looked at several DVI switch boxes, but they are tremendously expensive in my opinion... plus they don't switch the audio cables...
I'm surprised that none of the other receivers have multiple digital (DVI or HDMI) connectors.
-jb
Dark7pt1
09-27-04, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by TTA89
Can you translate what they are talking about? I'm just a stupid American who thinks everyone should speak English. :D :D
BTW, Anyone have an update on the 8500 US Release? :cool:
All I'm going to add is...I hope the SR8500 allows us to set the crossover to 40Hz! If so, I'm getting one! :)
graphicguy
09-27-04, 06:42 PM
That's a mighty fine looking unit. I know it'll sound good and it looks like they're going to really update it with all the right features.
Like others, I'm always wanting more, though. I wish it had fully functional i-link.
Originally posted by Dark7pt1
All I'm going to add is...I hope the SR8500 allows us to set the crossover to 40Hz! If so, I'm getting one! :)
The rumours are that no, it will only go down to 80 Hz.:mad:
The only significant drawback to this otherwise-fantastic receiver.
Landroval
09-28-04, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Fraoch
The rumours are that no, it will only go down to 80 Hz.:mad:
The only significant drawback to this otherwise-fantastic receiver.
Actually the 80Hz is for 4500 and 5500, the bigger models might have more options.
Dark7pt1
09-28-04, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Landroval
Actually the 80Hz is for 4500 and 5500, the bigger models might have more options.
Hiya Landroval!
Let's hope you're right! :) COME ON MARANTZ!!! I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT!!! :))
Originally posted by Landroval
Actually the 80Hz is for 4500 and 5500, the bigger models might have more options.
Dang. Can't afford the 7500.
Looks like h/k then.
Why do you guys use such a low xover?
Dark7pt1
09-28-04, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by TTA89
Why do you guys use such a low xover?
If you have a pair of speakers and they are capable of going down as low as 40Hz why not exploit that ability? This is one school of thought. Mine. And a few of the others here.
Then the other school believes that if you set the crossover at 80Hz (THX standard) then the speakers will not work as hard and give you "better sound".
I feel you'd be cutting the speakers short by not letting them work to their full potential. I mean most manufacturers of AVRs or prepros allow you to set the crossovers to as low as 35Hz for a reason. :) Only less than a handful don't.
That's my 2 cents! Some will agree and others not. To each his own! :)
mattburk
09-28-04, 03:28 PM
Why dont you just set them to large then?
Originally posted by mattburk
Why dont you just set them to large then?
Large sends ALL the frequencies to the speakers, including those below the crossover point.
I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think the frequencies below those which the speaker can reproduce can cause distortion.
Plus it saps amplifier power.
mattburk
09-28-04, 04:05 PM
Don't most high end speakers have built in crossovers or filters, that filter out the low frequencies that the speaker cannot handle?
Originally posted by mattburk
Don't most high end speakers have built in crossovers or filters, that filter out the low frequencies that the speaker cannot handle?
Hmm - good point!
mattburk
09-28-04, 05:37 PM
And for speakers that don't have built in filters:
http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?DID=7&WebPage_ID=3&Start=4&ObjectGroup_ID=195&sm=1&so=2&search_type=53505894&desc=ASC
Originally posted by mattburk
And for speakers that don't have built in filters:
http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?DID=7&WebPage_ID=3&Start=4&ObjectGroup_ID=195&sm=1&so=2&search_type=53505894&desc=ASC
Nice find! Thanks!:D
I need some clarification, please.
The 8500 has been announced but not yet released, and the 9500 has not yet been announced--is this correct?
And the 8500 is due to be released before the year's end, while the 9500 is anticipated for first quarter 2005--is this correct?
Shelly
Originally posted by mattburk
Don't most high end speakers have built in crossovers or filters, that filter out the low frequencies that the speaker cannot handle?
Hmm - does anyone have any idea whether the Energy Connoisseur (http://www.energy-speakers.com/connoisseur/connoisseur_speakers1.html) speakers have high-pass filters? I might post this in the Speakers subforum if more appropriate.
I would guess that they do, but the site doesn't seem to say anything about it.
Assuming they do, I'll just set all the speakers to large and forget about it. Hopefully the Marantz will be like the Denons I've had which allow you to have speakers set to large and use the crossover at the same time.
mattburk
09-28-04, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by shelly
I need some clarification, please.
The 8500 has been announced but not yet released, and the 9500 has not yet been announced--is this correct?
And the 8500 is due to be released before the year's end, while the 9500 is anticipated for first quarter 2005--is this correct?
Shelly
I haven't heard any thing about a SR-9500. I did read a one liner about a sr-9600. Does anyone have any information about a SR9500 or SR9600?
The only 9500 I have heard about is the dv-9500.
Thanks Matt. It must be the 9600.
Basically, I'm trying to find out about Marantz's next top-of-the-line receiver, which would be on my short list.
Shelly
GetGray
09-29-04, 08:00 AM
Cambridgesoundworks says they'll se the 8500's in Dec or Jan 05. Anyone else have them already?
jheoaustin
09-29-04, 02:39 PM
I think speakers normally don't have HPF at the low-end. I think they just let the acoustical alignment of drivers and the box to do the job, which might be wasting powers and/or burdening the amps. Also, the drivers, which is a mechanical resonance system in some aspect, themselves have descending sensitivity toward their resonance frequency, which practically prohibits drivers from outputting lower frequency signals than their resonance frequency.
Shazam9999
09-29-04, 04:40 PM
Well, it sure wouldn't make sense for a speaker to have a crossover at the low-end. What if you didn't have a subwoofer?
Landroval
09-30-04, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Shazam9999
Well, it sure wouldn't make sense for a speaker to have a crossover at the low-end. What if you didn't have a subwoofer?
Of course it makes sense. The high pass filter will cut out only the frequencies the speaker really is unable to produce. The bass drivers have physical limits, and it's not wise to let them play lower sounds they're capable of producing. That will lead to cone resonance and also eat power from the amp which isn't used to anything. I'm not totally sure about this, so someone who _really_ knows these things could specify.
I don't know if anyone saw this or not, but at least it confirms a lot more stuff, and still gives a release date for the 7/8500s in November.
I await.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040929/law032_1.html
That article brings up an interesting point: how good is SRS?
With Dolby Pro-Logic IIx and Dolby Headphone in the receiver, I have no idea why I'd ever use SRS...it always seemed like a "me too" technology.
I wish this thing would come out already. :(
The only real benefit I can think of with SRS CircleSurround is that ESPN HD is encoded for it (for now anyway). You can listen to it with PLIIx, but it would seem to me to be more of an accurate playback if you use the same decoder as encoder.
graphicguy
10-06-04, 11:04 AM
I owned a Marantz SR8200. It had CS (probably a couple of generations removed from the current CS encoding, though). While I don't want to lump all these decoding schemes together, I kind of consider it in the same category as Logic 7.
CS, Logic 7, Neo6, etc are all interesting and all different from one another. I used to switch between all of them to find which one I liked better. But, I got tired of doing that and have "settled" on DPL IIx for no other reason than it was easy.
In short, there wasn't one clear preference with all programming material for me to want to constantly switch. Some decoding schemes were better than others depending on what I was watching/listening to.
I must be getting old. I'm getting too lazy to switch them all the time.
I will say that CS did a great job with some (not all) of my 2-channel listening, though.
Landroval
10-06-04, 12:30 PM
I dont know for CS, but the NAD EARS is a little better with music than PL2. And I think Logic7 is also better in some areas.
Well, I still use my original Circle Surround analog decoder, which I have had for 7-8 years. (I used to have two rooms set up with two units but sold one decoder.) This was before CS went digital.
It remains my preference for listening to music. I use a Lexicon DC-1 for video with DD5.1 Logic 7. I prefer the CS for music over the Lex's modes. I send the analog left,right from my dvd player to the CS decoder inputs.
I use a Sony analog preamp with 2 5.1 inputs (one for CS and the other for DVD-A), and 5.1 paass through for the Lex.
I have yet to hear DPL IIx but suspect that I might stick with it over CS, although it would be fun to go back and forth to hear the differences. In fact, my desire to simplify my system is the reason for a new purchase. I now have tooo many preamps (3), switchboxes (3) going into an ICBM (for DVD-A), all of which can be removed from my system. Getting a MArantz with CS would be like having an old friend back.
There is so much to chose from now in the mid priced range (>$3500.) By the time I am ready to purchase a new amp or receiver this coming February, I hope to add whatever top of the line Marantz receiver is out there to my short list of the Sherwood Newcastle R-965, Anthem avr30, and the Pioneer Elite 59txi, and maybe a Denon 4500 if it exists.
graphicguy
10-06-04, 01:31 PM
shelly....no bad choices among the ones you are or will be looking at. That Marantz SR8500 looks tasty (when it hits the streets).
Ok. I just ordered the SR4500! I'll pick it up on Sunday and I'll give a review on it.
I listened to it for an hour in their showroom and I was pretty impressed. However, they had Mordaunt Short speakers and I found it a bit too bright.
For the features and the price, it can't be beat. I couldn't even believe that it had detachable power cords.
Ok. I got the SR4500 already and I spent a few hours with it.
Here are my intial impressions on it:
SETUP
- Setup was very easy. The setup menu is fully accessible via the frontplate buttons OR the remote. I'm glad that I don't need an On-Screen Display anymore like with my old SR7200. The menu is well organized and I was able to configure the 4500 without even looking at the manual.
- I set speaker levels using the internal test tones and it was really easy. I then wanted to double check using AVIA but somehow, it can't be done. Everytime I access the menu to adjust speaker levels, the internal pink noise will start. I find this very weird. I was in a hurry to start listening so I didn't tinker with it anymore.
- Remote is simpler than the LCD/Learning remote of the SR7200 but I was amazed that it has pre-programmed codes. With a few button presses, I was able to let it control my Pioneer DVD player and my Samsung DLP TV. Too bad it didn't have built-in codes for my NAD CD player. Oh well, at least it has codes for Rotel which is great since I plan to upgrade to the Rotel RCD-1072 for Christmas. :-)
MUSIC SOUND
- For testing music, I simply used my DVD player as a transport since I wanted to hear the DACs of the SR4500.
- I started my audition with a music CD called "Audiophile Voices". First thing that I noticed is that the music started at once without the first second being cut-off. That was a problem that I had with my SR7200.
- The music still has that Marantz warmness but I feel that it has a bit more detail now. Imaging has improved. With my SR7200, imaging became well centered when Source Direct was enabled. But now, even with Pure Direct (new name) off, the voice is well centered.
- The difference between Pure Direct mode ON and OFF is not as dramatic as with the SR7200.
- I also noticed that the singer moved back a little. This is something that I particularly liked with my NAD C542 cd player since with the SR7200, the singer was just a bit overpowering.
- I could feel that the SR4500 was underpowered compared to the SR7200 but not by very much. I was actually expecting that it would complain with my 4ohm Dynaudio Audience 52s but it didn't. It didn't complain but I could feel that it was a bit stressed. The top cover was warmer but I could still put my hand on it for a long time. I will be getting my Rotel RMB-1075 5-channel amp tomorrow but I won't connect it first. I would like to test the SR4500 some more. :-)
- DVD-Audio sounded as before. No complaints here.
MOVIE SOUND
- Great! I started with Shrek and the sound was a lot better compared to my SR7200. It had more detail and was more enveloping. I then tried some concert DVDs and again, it was better. The sound was cohesive between all 5 speakers. The last DVD I tested was Fast and the Furious, and again, I was surprised at the activeness of my rear surrounds. I don't have a rear center channel but in some scenes, I felt that I did!
- Definitely more involving now than before.
- I don't know what DSP chips they used since I don't want to open it up and void my warranty but it is a big improvement from the SR7200.
OTHER LIKES
- Finally! I can change the speaker levels separately with the 7.1 channel analog input. This is a must if you listen to DVD-Audio or SACD since the LFE is mixed differently than with movies.
- Circle Surround II is configurable unlike with CS1. I wasn't able to compare Cs1 and CS2 though since I don't use it that much.
- Video circuits can now be set to OFF. I like this since I connect my DVD player straight to my TV.
SOME DISLIKES
- No Lip Sync feature. I was expecting it did but it doesn't. They might have removed it at the last minute to cut on costs. The SR5500 has it though.
- No 12V trigger! I also thought that it did. Oh well, I can always power up my outboard amp separately.
- In standby mode, you can select between NORMAL and ECONOMY. Sounds good but why would I choose NORMAL? The manual doesn't describe the benefits of NORMAL.
CONCLUSION
- For a budget AVR, I'm pretty impressed. It feels like a true 80W receiver.
Wow, thanks for the very well-detailed review, Myki! This makes me even more excited about the 5500 I've decided on!
I like the fact that the video circuits can be turned off. Spares a bit of power for the sound and reduces electrical noise, I bet.
Unfortunately it looks like the 5500 has no 12V trigger either, but no big deal:
http://www.audioholics.com/news/uploads/SR5500_back.jpg
Very nice!:D
Landroval
10-10-04, 03:59 PM
Interestingly the US versions of SR4500/5500 does not have detachable power cords, while the other models have 'em.
Edit: BTW, SR7400 is quite similar to SR5500:
http://www.hifi-regler.de/pictures/marantz/marantzsr7400back.jpg
BTW I notice the 5500 and up all have RS-232 ports.
Is this just for system automation or are firmware upgrades possible for these units?
Landroval
10-10-04, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Fraoch
BTW I notice the 5500 and up all have RS-232 ports.
Is this just for system automation
Does this mean you can control everything via a computer? Is there a specific software for this?
Jake Sm
10-10-04, 06:31 PM
I don't hear a lot of people hammering it any more , but some people are of the firm belief that your x-over point should be set at least one full octave above the natural roll off of your speakers and that if your speakers are flat to 40 (- 1db) then your x-over should be 80 hz...if your speakers ar -3db at 33 hz then 80 hz x-over would probably be , according to these people, the correct setting....just food for thought
I took 2 pics while unpacking :) I can't believe I only paid $300 for this! The dealer was selling it at a limited introductory price. :)
http://www.decimal.ph/images/4500a.jpg
http://www.decimal.ph/images/4500b.jpg
slick316
10-10-04, 08:17 PM
what does the SR4500 retail for anyways? $300 seems like a great price, makes me wonder what i can get a 7500 for.
Originally posted by slick316
what does the SR4500 retail for anyways? $300 seems like a great price, makes me wonder what i can get a 7500 for.
In the US, the SRP is $449.99 for the SR4500.
Here in Manila, everything is cheaper since the competition is tough and the market isn't that big. Overhead is also puny compared to elsewhere. The local prices will go up soon that's why I bought it right away.
I would still buy it even if it were $400. :)
Kevin. W
10-11-04, 01:07 AM
I don't know what DSP chips they used since I don't want to open it up and void my warranty but it is a big improvement from the SR7200.
Marantz only states a 24bit DSP. If you could get the SR5400 on a great deal you'd get a 32bit DSP.
Kevin
Landroval
10-11-04, 02:13 AM
The SR4500 and SR5500 have a CS494003 32bit DSP.
tweeterex
10-11-04, 07:05 PM
when?
I just got my Rotel RMB-1075 multi-channel amp. I didn't want to connect it yet to the SR4500 but I couldn't resist!
So I connected it with cheap Acoustic Research audio cables using the SR4500's pre-outs. I plan to replace this later but my options for budget inter-connects are limited. So far, the XLO Twinax is within my budget. Does anyone know if I should invest in better cables like Analysis Plus, etc.?
Anyway, I still need to break-in the amp this week so I will reserve my review for later. I'm really curious if Marantz + Rotel will be a good match. I wasn't able to audition the combo... so wish me luck. :-)
Does anyone have any of the specs for the cabinet? I am looking at some new AV furniture, and want to make sure the 7500 will fit if I get the new rack now.
TIA
Landroval
10-12-04, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by xsnrg
Does anyone have any of the specs for the cabinet? I am looking at some new AV furniture, and want to make sure the 7500 will fit if I get the new rack now.
Here: http://www.avland.co.uk/marantz/sr7500/sr7500.htm
Width 440mm
Height 184mm
Depth 476mm
slick316
10-12-04, 09:34 PM
my friend ordered a new marantz sr5500 today from a local place, and hopefully, it comes in soon (like the next few days). he doesnt have any speakers yet, so he will be testing it at my place :)
going to do a comparison, my 5400 to his 5500, see what the major differences are.
anything you guys might want to know when i compare them? i am not good at giving reviews and i dont think you will like my simple minded views on the recievers, so if there are any specific you might want to know, let me know.
DJ_JonnyV
10-13-04, 11:12 PM
I stopped by my local Marantz dealer today, and he had a stack of Marantz receivers that he just got delivered. Unfortunately, the only new ones I saw were the 4500 and 5500, the rest was 7400/8400. BTW, does anybody know what model video upconversion kicks in on their new receivers?
slick316
10-13-04, 11:24 PM
i think the 5500 has upconversion.
Dark7pt1
10-14-04, 01:12 AM
All I wanna know is if you can adjust the crossover down to 40Hz on the SR8500 and SR9400. Hope some one has some definite information on this some time. :)
Originally posted by slick316
my friend ordered a new marantz sr5500 today from a local place, and hopefully, it comes in soon (like the next few days). he doesnt have any speakers yet, so he will be testing it at my place :)
going to do a comparison, my 5400 to his 5500, see what the major differences are.
anything you guys might want to know when i compare them? i am not good at giving reviews and i dont think you will like my simple minded views on the recievers, so if there are any specific you might want to know, let me know.
What sort of price did he get on the 5500 if you don't mind me asking. And was the place an authorized dealer or not.
Thanks
Landroval
10-14-04, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by Dark7pt1
All I wanna know is if you can adjust the crossover down to 40Hz on the SR8500 and SR9400. Hope some one has some definite information on this some time. :)
Why is that so important? Just use large if you feel like it.
If your front speakers are large, does the sub get signal? How would the bass be managed? If both the (large) front speakers and the sub were getting full bass, you may end up with a boomfest.
slick316
10-14-04, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by taboni
What sort of price did he get on the 5500 if you don't mind me asking. And was the place an authorized dealer or not.
Thanks
i think he said $450, but i dont remember. let me ask him and i will let you know for sure tonight.
DJ_JonnyV
10-14-04, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by slick316
i think the 5500 has upconversion.
Slick,
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I did a little searching around today on the internet ('cause you know it would be too dang easy for Marantz to update their website!), and found that the 5500 will do video upconversion over component.
Originally posted by DJ_JonnyV
Slick,
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I did a little searching around today on the internet ('cause you know it would be too dang easy for Marantz to update their website!), and found that the 5500 will do video upconversion over component.
Haha yes I was looking for the same thing. Does anyone know the 5500 will support auto-EQ or something similar?
slick316
10-14-04, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by marius
Haha yes I was looking for the same thing. Does anyone know the 5500 will support auto-EQ or something similar?
doesnt look like it.
hope it comes in tomorrow so i can play with it this weekend.
Originally posted by marius
Haha yes I was looking for the same thing. Does anyone know the 5500 will support auto-EQ or something similar?
The 4500 has auto-EQ so I'm pretty sure the 5500 has too.
Btw, I will be returning my 4500 tomorrow. I really need the Lip Sync feature of the 5500. I recently upgraded my DVD player to the Pioneer DV-676A and the lip sync error is more evident now. Not because of the DVD, but more because of my Samsung DLP.
So my advise, if you have a digital HDTV (DLP, LCD, Plasma, etc), the minimum you would go is the 5500.
At least I get the additional features:
- Lip Sync
- Multi-Room feature
- RS-232 port (for upgrades maybe?)
- Dolby headphone surround
- front connectors for video/audio
- additional 10W of power per channel
- upconversion via component
There goes my savings for good cables :-)
Landroval
10-15-04, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Myki
The 4500 has auto-EQ so I'm pretty sure the 5500 has too.
Actually neither of those has any kind of auto-EQ/room correction. Only the 7500 and 8500 have it.
slick316
10-15-04, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by Landroval
Actually neither of those has any kind of auto-EQ/room correction. Only the 7500 and 8500 have it.
thats what i thought to, auto eq/correction is a pretty "high end" feature, i wouldnt even expect it on a $500 reciever.
Ooops! Sorry. My mind was thinking HT-EQ which the 4500 and 5500 has.
Auto-EQ is the one where you use a mic to balance everything.
Sorry about that. :rolleyes:
dalbrit1
10-15-04, 10:25 AM
Sorry if this is a really dumb question but here goes anyway. I see mention that the 5500 and above have upconversion via component. What inputs are they upconverting (s-video, other component, etc.), and to what (480p, 1080i, etc.) are they upconverting?
Thanks,
Mark
Johnny Bax
10-15-04, 11:59 AM
Mark, my limited understanding of this upconverting is that the term "transcoding" is a more accurate one, in that the signal doesn't get scaled up to a higher resolution. Only a high end receiver that has a Faroudja de-interlacer would be truly "upconverting", or scaling, a 480i image to 480p, for instance.
I think all the receivers with "upconversion" do is allow you to input multiple composite, S-video and component connections into the receiver, and then send all those signals out to your TV or projector via one component output, thereby reducing the number of cables that have to be laid going to the projector or TV.
A mini-review of the SR5500:
Ok, I just traded-in my 4500 to the 5500 and I'm even more impressed with this unit!
The sound of the two are very similar but the 5500 can still be musical at even louder volumes. The 4500 tends to sound compressed at high volumes but please take note I am driving 4-ohm Dynaudio speakers. I'm sure the 4500 will be enough for 8-ohm and more efficient speakers.
The 5500 already has Lip Sync correction and it works great. You can adjust the audio delay from 0 to 200ms in 10ms increments. The on-screen display in my unit is misconfigured for PAL while I have an NTSC TV so I contacted tech support how to reconfigure it.
One big problem I didn't foresee is that the SR5500 is longer than the SR7200 or the SR4500. It doens't fit my TV stand anymore! Well, it fits but the front plate is protruding. I might change my TV stand in the next few months because of this. The SR5500 is even longer than my Rotel RMB-1075 amp!
Anyway, the SR5500 is a great receiver and I would have to say that it sounds even better than my awarded SR7200.
Landroval
10-19-04, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by Myki
The sound of the two are very similar but the 5500 can still be musical at even louder volumes. The 4500 tends to sound compressed at high volumes but please take note I am driving 4-ohm Dynaudio speakers. I'm sure the 4500 will be enough for 8-ohm and more efficient speakers.
Did you compare these side by side or separately? Did you compare them to any other receivers?
Do you think the OSD of the 5500 is much easier to use than the setup of 4500 with it's own display?
Landroval
10-19-04, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by Myki
- Finally! I can change the speaker levels separately with the 7.1 channel analog input. This is a must if you listen to DVD-Audio or SACD since the LFE is mixed differently than with movies.
You probably have this with the SR5500 also?
How much can you adjust the volumes, +-10dB?
Originally posted by Myki
I just got my Rotel RMB-1075 multi-channel amp. I didn't want to connect it yet to the SR4500 but I couldn't resist!
Anyway, I still need to break-in the amp this week so I will reserve my review for later. I'm really curious if Marantz + Rotel will be a good match. I wasn't able to audition the combo... so wish me luck. :-)
Keep us informed...I might be trying the exact same thing in a year or two.
Originally posted by Jake Sm
I don't hear a lot of people hammering it any more , but some people are of the firm belief that your x-over point should be set at least one full octave above the natural roll off of your speakers and that if your speakers are flat to 40 (- 1db) then your x-over should be 80 hz...if your speakers ar -3db at 33 hz then 80 hz x-over would probably be , according to these people, the correct setting....just food for thought
Hmm, that's a good point, and makes me feel better about the situation then...thanks Jake Sm!
Jake Sm
10-19-04, 06:36 PM
That being said , I'VE SET MY RECEIVER'S x-over to 55hz, w/ a 6/24 slope
....seems to work well with my LSI15's .......so to each his own, but I'd rather set it a little higher than lower, especcially if you can't adjust the slope....
Dark7pt1
10-19-04, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Jake Sm
That being said , I'VE SET MY RECEIVER'S x-over to 55hz, w/ a 6/24 slope
....seems to work well with my LSI15's .......so to each his own, but I'd rather set it a little higher than lower, especcially if you can't adjust the slope....
You've set your receiver to 55Hz? What receiver do you own? Tell me it's a new SR8500! Or better yet a SR9500! I am the annoying ****** who keeps asking if the new Marantz receivers will allow us to set the crossover down to 40Hz. Make me happy!! :)
Jake Sm
10-20-04, 08:42 AM
Sorry, I have an AVR507 from B&K; x-over and slope are very adjustable.
My interest in the Marantz is because I now work for a company that sells them and I want something new for my bedroom and the sr7500 seems to be just the ticket....I will have to listen to it first though , you can't take anything for granted.
Dark7pt1
10-20-04, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Jake Sm
Sorry, I have an AVR507 from B&K; x-over and slope are very adjustable.
My interest in the Marantz is because I now work for a company that sells them and I want something new for my bedroom and the sr7500 seems to be just the ticket....I will have to listen to it first though , you can't take anything for granted.
Hello Jake,
Nice receivers the B&K are...if you do get the SR7500 or happen to see the SR8500 in the shop while demoing either could you please ask abotu the crossover settings? I knew the B&K's could be set to 40Hz. I like their no nonsense approach to design. Unfortunately they aren't available in Canada :P So if iI go with receivers my next fave would be a Marantz.
Thanks Jake! :)
Jake Sm
10-20-04, 09:21 AM
the B&K are made minutes away from Niagra, it might be worth the trip, but are more expensive....I am anxiously awaiting the new Marantz, but my new employer is not likely to be the first to get them in and often pre-orders are filled before one hits the floor, I want to sell my Yamaha rxv2200 currently in the bedroom to help pay for the 7500 or poss. a new Elite receiver (they have impressed me)...decisions, decisions
Hi Jake! Is AVLipsync delay in 5500 adjustable by input or is it global for all inputs? Can speaker distance & level be adjusted in 0.5 ft & 0.5 dB respectively? What are the crossover frequencies? Thanks in advance. I am planning to setup a 2 channel system in bedroom but I don't want to be limited to a 2 channel system therefore I am looking for a receiver which will sound good for 2 channel as well as HT. I may decide to connect Thule amp to run the front lt & rt.
Hi, unfortunately, I had to return the 4500 before I could get the 5500 so I wasn't able to do an AB. I could be wrong with my assessment but that was how I perceived it to be. If the 4500 had Lip Sync delay, then I would have definitely stick with the 4500.
The OSD of the 5500 is definitely easy to use since you can see all the options right away. Unlike before, the background of the menu is now color blue and not black as with my 7200.
But for me, I prefer disconnecting the OSD and just use the receiver's display for settings. I connect my DVD player straight to the TV anyway. IF I had other video devices, then certainly, the OSD would be helpful.
I tried passing my DVD signal through the 5500 and I didn't notice any degradation. Also, once I did this, the OSD automatically changed to NTSC. I think it auto detects the signal and adjusts for that.
Originally posted by Landroval
Did you compare these side by side or separately? Did you compare them to any other receivers?
Do you think the OSD of the 5500 is much easier to use than the setup of 4500 with it's own display?
Yes, it's available with the 4500 and 5500. If I remember correctly, I can adjust +-10db.
I found out that with Pioneer universal DVD players (as well as others), the Subwoofer or LFE output with DVD-Audio or SACD is -10db as compared with DTS or Dolby Digital. So with this 7.1ch volume levels, I can set my Subwoofer to +10db and everything balances out using Avia.
Originally posted by Landroval
You probably have this with the SR5500 also?
How much can you adjust the volumes, +-10dB?
Sorry for the very late replies... I've been staying up late the past few days since I am in the process of connecting my Rotel RMB-1075.
First of all, let me tell you that Dynuadio Audience 52 + Rotel RMB 1075 + Marantz SR5500 + Analysis Plus Oval One is a SURE WINNER!!! Since I've been playing around with this combination a few days ago, I haven't had sex with my wife! :D
Most of my testings are with 2-channel audio only. I suspect that when I get things right with stereo, it will follow with home theater.
I'm only using a cheap Pioneer DV-676A universal player for my tests using the optical out, and using a cheap optical cable. It's because I want to hear the DACs of the Marantz.
I'm currently testing various audio interconnects to connect the Marantz to the Rotel and so far, I already have a clear winner: Analysis Plus Oval One.
I have a limited budget for interconnects so I go with the entry levels. Anyway, I have the following at home which I've been auditioning for 3 nights already: XLO Twinax Plus, IXOS XHA203 (What-HiFi 5-stars rated), Transparent Link 200 (like MIT), and Analysis Plus Oval One.
With the Oval Ones, my system sounds truly audiophile quality. This is the best system I've had. I can only imagine what a good CD player will do. My sister just bought my NAD C542 cd player but I intend to buy another one by Christmas. So for now, the Marantz DACs are giving me audio nirvana.
So what do I hear which I never heard before with just the Marantz SR7200 and Dyns? Please take note that I listen in soft to medium volume levels only....
1. Top on my big-smile-silly-grin list is the sound of pianos. I've never heard pianos to sound this way. That's why I was never interested in piano-only CDs. It's not just the Rotel RMB-1075, but it's also because of the Oval One cable. With the other cables, the piano sound was good, but it lacked that bit of decay at the end.
2. Bass - Bass is very controlled and solid. It's not woofy. With only the receiver, the bass was strong, but wasn't musical or solid. I would even have to say the bass with the 5500 is slightly better than the 7200. I wonder why.
With the Transparent Link 200, the bass was very strong. But it didn't sound balanced. It feels as though it's exaggerating the bass a bit.
3. Vocals or mid-range - The voices are very natural sounding. With the 7200, the voices seem forward, sort of singing in-your-face, but still sounding warm. With the SR5500, the sound is farther from the listener. Exactly between the 2 speakers and even behind it by a foot.
In summary, I'm very happy with the sound now and I don't mind not having a dedicated cd player until Christmas.
If there are other things you would like to know about this combination, please ask.
By the way, I plan to borrow a friend's Rotel RSP-1066 if he'll allow me so I can compare the SR5500 with it. As usual, I'll let everyone in on the scoop.
A future project that I'm thinking of is to get cheap bedroom speakers like the Infinity Primus 150 or Wharfedale Diamond 9.3 and connect it to my Marantz's multi-room outputs. That way, I can still listen to music even if my kids are watching Shrek 2!
I was initially thinking of buyng a Sr5400, and it sounds very musical!
I heard the 7400 and I was amazed for such a musical AV Receiver! :cool:
Now my options are: 7400 or 5500... The 80/100/120Hz thing is annoying me...:mad:
No speakers decided yet...
I must put my back speakers near to the wall and my center speaker IN a closed AV furniture so I need 60Hz to keep ressonances away...:o
Myki
I have seen your review of the marantz SR4500 and 5500 with Dynaudio speakers... I believe those have 4ohms and around 86dB eficiency, am I right?
Did you listened to just a pair of them en stereo mode or 5ch simultaneously?
Thanx!:)
Falp,
Yes. You're right. 4-ohms and 86db.
I listened to music in stereo mode, and even in Multi-channel mode and they both sound wonderful.
However, with the more powerful Rotel RMB-1075 amp connected to the Marantz, there is more force to the music. Vocals and highs seem to be the same but the bass is punchier with the amp.
Originally posted by Falp
Myki
I have seen your review of the marantz SR4500 and 5500 with Dynaudio speakers... I believe those have 4ohms and around 86dB eficiency, am I right?
Did you listened to just a pair of them en stereo mode or 5ch simultaneously?
Thanx!:)
I heard both sr5400 and sr7400 at -15~-10dB levels...
Do they behave well at those leves with the Dynaudios? No Clipping?
I wanted to test the SR5500's capabilities and I watched a movie at -10db levels and it didn't clip. However, my speakers are set to SMALL so I'm not sure how it will do if it were all set to LARGE.
Originally posted by Falp
I heard both sr5400 and sr7400 at -15~-10dB levels...
Do they behave well at those leves with the Dynaudios? No Clipping?
OK, that's enough for me...
The most inefficient speakers I've been looking are 89~90 4ohm fronts/center and 89db 8 ohm rears...
So are you still pleased?
Thanx Myki!
I'm going to either SR7400 ou SR5500.
Originally posted by Falp
OK, that's enough for me...
The most inefficient speakers I've been looking are 89~90 4ohm fronts/center and 89db 8 ohm rears...
So are you still pleased?
Thanx Myki!
I'm going to either SR7400 ou SR5500.
Yup! I'm still very pleased with my system. I finally bought the Analysis Plus Oval One's yesterday and the magic is still there.
Why don't you wait for the SR7500 rather than the SR7400? It's due to be released by November.
If you do decide to get the SR5500, then that would be a savings of around $400. After 6 months of saving $100 a month, you already have $1000 and you can already buy a Rotel RMB-1075 to connect to the SR5500!
Either way, you can't lose with Marantz.
I don't believe in expensive AvReceivers... I can get the 5500 or 7400 at the same price...
I'll be satisfied with the 7400 performance, or get a 5500 and later add a used stereo or two monoblocks power amp, like the VincentSP 996 or similar...
Landroval
10-30-04, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Myki
If there are other things you would like to know about this combination, please ask.
Do you know what can be done with RS232C serial port in the SR5500? Is it for upgrades, multiroom-something or can you control the receiver with a computer through it?
Originally posted by Landroval
Do you know what can be done with RS232C serial port in the SR5500? Is it for upgrades, multiroom-something or can you control the receiver with a computer through it?
The manual says this:
The RS-232C port is to be used in conjunction with an external controller to control the operation of the SR5500 by using an external device.
tweeterex
10-31-04, 10:33 AM
Crestron
Landroval
10-31-04, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Myki
The manual says this:
The RS-232C port is to be used in conjunction with an external controller to control the operation of the SR5500 by using an external device.
Could this external device be a PC with some Marantz software? Anybody know?
tweeterex
10-31-04, 03:26 PM
NO, .......Crestron
INSTALLERS LIKE MARANTZ
Landroval
10-31-04, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by tweeterex
NO, .......Crestron
INSTALLERS LIKE MARANTZ
Creston what?! more explanation required. What can they do with the serial port? configure something? update software?
tweeterex
10-31-04, 03:55 PM
Crestron is a control system; hardwired ,perfect performing remotes if you will, they allow for 2-way communication between equipment and controler so that the controler always knows the status of the gear.
Crestron systems are the prefered control devices for low voltage whole house control.
Landroval
10-31-04, 03:58 PM
Ok thanks. So it's pretty useless if I dont get a Creston device.
tweeterex
10-31-04, 09:54 PM
Technically if you had a software program with the correct language protocals and this receiver hooked into your computer and your wife called you at work because she couldn't do something with the receiver you could issue the commands from there.
There is all sorts of software that can be used with receivers that have a RS232 port, and are capable of using it to control receiver functions. Creston is far from being the only way to do it.
Here is one.
http://www.charmedquark.com/
And Girder is another, with the right plug-ins.
http://www.girder.nl/downloadn.php
http://www.promixis.com/products.php?section=girder
And here are some serial plug-ins for it.
http://www.girder.nl/serial.php
Not to mention. You can always program it yourself for either of them if there are no "pre-made" plug-ins, such as in this case.
tweeterex
11-01-04, 01:10 AM
a software program
notice the word "a" , NOT "the" .....certainly there are more than one ,that is why I was responding to his use of the word "useless"...
I think it's both communication port for Creston and upgrade...
The Marantz Portuguese Importer told me that...
BosoxDanJ
11-01-04, 06:41 PM
anyone know if the 5500 is available a Tweeter? Looking for one in San Diego area.
Thanks
tommyc_295
11-03-04, 03:18 PM
What are the differences between the 7500 and 8500 other than the wattage and DVI inputs for the 8500. What about transformer type, D/A converters, copper chasis, and so forth?
I would like to get the 7500 and save some money if the only differences are the DVI and wattage. I plan to either get a seperate DVI/HDMI swithers later on.
Thanks,
Tommy
Landroval
11-03-04, 03:42 PM
As far as I know the 8500 has a toroidial transformer, while the 7500 does not. Also the 8500 has an USB input for WMA9. Not sure about chassis differences.
graphicguy
11-03-04, 04:03 PM
Just to add...the SR8500 has a double shielded copper chasis.
Bandit373
11-03-04, 04:47 PM
What are the differences between the 7500 and 8500 other than the wattage and DVI inputs for the 8500. What about transformer type, D/A converters, copper chasis, and so forth?
I believe you hit the differences (wattage, DVI)...and the 7500 is missing the usb port for WMA.
It does have the toroidial transformer....I'm going to be giving this one a hard look when it comes in....which was supposed to be last week, maybe next week :)
stonepran
11-03-04, 05:46 PM
ALL WE need now is for www.hifi.com (cambridgesoundworks) to get the freaking 4500 and 5500 models in stock!!!!!!!!
I'm ready to order, whats the hold up to get these units in the United States to authorized etailers?!
:mad:
What do you guys think: should I buy a SR5500 or at the same price a SR7400?
The 7400 has better amps and really great sound but the new SR5500 has 32 bit processors, lyp-sync, and rs232 as well... maybe sound as good or better even with not as good amps...
Don't like the 7400 remote very much...
Your opinions?
Falp,
Both have 32-bit processors. To help you decide, you can ask yourself this:
Do you need the Lip Sync delay function? Do you have or plan to have a Plasma, DLP, or LCD TV?
If yes, then get the SR5500. Even if you have the best sounding amp, but your video is not in-sync with your audio... and you are sensitive to this.... then you will not be happy.
If no, then go with the SR7400. The more powerful amp and better components will be audible.
Myki
Are you sure the 7400 has 32 bit processing?
I cannot read that...
I have a Loewe Xelos 32" CRT... a plasma or LCD maybe in a few years... only then.
If I would buy the sr5500 i could later add an external stereo amp...
anyway, about the SR 5500 Rs232 port:
Software upgradable (rs232) -
Bi-directional ctrl via rs232 X
From the marantz website...
mattburk
11-03-04, 08:34 PM
yes the 7400 has 32 bit processing.
http://www.marantz.com/hifi/america/main.html
Originally posted by Falp
Are you sure the 7400 has 32 bit processing?
I cannot read that...
Yes. It has the same CS49400 processor that the SR4500 and SR5500 has which is a Dual 24-Bit, Twin-Core DSP Processor w/ 32-Bit Post Processor.
Myki
I never heard Dynaudio speakers but woul like to do it...
But they are very inefficient...
:eek:
Do you think a Sr7400 could handle a 5.0 set of Dynaudio 52 + 42 or it would be to weak? Should i search something else easier? :confused:
Jake Sm
11-04-04, 10:00 AM
I'm ready to order, whats the hold up to get these units in the United States to authorized etailers?!
Your local retailer should have them.
Johnny Bax
11-04-04, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Falp
Myki
I never heard Dynaudio speakers but woul like to do it...
But they are very inefficient...
:eek:
Do you think a Sr7400 could handle a 5.0 set of Dynaudio 52 + 42 or it would be to weak? Should i search something else easier? :confused:
I think the SR7400 would be able to handle the Dynaudio's, but there's no denying that the Dynaudios love all the horsepower you can throw at them. Of course, you could always add some monoblocks in later to handle the FL and FR speakers and use the 7400's amps for the surrounds and center.
Dynaudios are great speakers. I have the Audience 72's upstairs in my main CD listening room, and they are things of wonder. So clear, so concise. I wish I could afford to upgrade my HT speakers to Dynaudio's right now, but that'll have to wait til next year.
You don't like the remote on the 7400? I love it, actually. Easy to read in the dark, and I love the lcd screen on it.
You don't like the remote on the 7400? I love it, actually. Easy to read in the dark, and I love the lcd screen on it.
Not easy for the other half to use...
And I like plain simple good things... like integrated stereo amps
bob2hdtv
11-04-04, 02:38 PM
Hey all,
I'm on the fence between a Denon 2805 (which can be had now for a fairly substantial discount from MSRP) and the Marantz 7500. I like all the positive things I've heard about the Marantz line but I need at least 3 component inputs, so the 7400 isn't really an option (and the 4 component inputs on the 7500 is a definite plus).
My only concern is whether I can work the 7500 into my budget. Do you have any guesses as to what the online prices may be when this model is first released? I suppose I could wait until the end of the year for a refurb, but I'll have to return the Denon 2805 that I'm currently demoing in about 3 weeks and I'm growing impatient to have my HT setup complete. :)
Also, do you expect good things from the Marantz auto room calibration? I'm pretty much a newbie at this stuff, so I'm very interested in the auto calibration (and I'm quite happy with Denon's implementation on the 2805). I'm just hoping Marantz does a good job with this feature also.
Thanks in advance for any feedback!
Johnny Bax
11-04-04, 03:05 PM
Well, from what I've heard from my dealer, the 7500 is supposed to retail for the same price as the 7400($995). And my dealer is allowing me to trade my 7400 in for a 7500 when it comes available, so I'm probably going to do it, if for no other reason than the extra component in's and the toroidal power supply.
Don't have any idea how the auto setup will work on the Marantz, but I'm not worried in the least, given how easy it was to calibrate it manually by using a SPL meter manually on the 7400.
Besides sounding more musical than the 2805, I also preferred the remote control of the Marantz over the Denon.
I listened to both and I prefer the Marantz 7400 sound to the more expensive Denon 3805, and many people feel the same...
As for the 7400, is available on-line at the same price as the new 5500...
That's why I'm decinding between 7400/5500...
Originally posted by Falp
Myki
I never heard Dynaudio speakers but woul like to do it...
But they are very inefficient...
:eek:
Do you think a Sr7400 could handle a 5.0 set of Dynaudio 52 + 42 or it would be to weak? Should i search something else easier? :confused:
Falp,
Yes, it can handle it well. I had the SR7200 driving B&Ws 601S3 and it sounded great. I then upgraded to Dynaudio Audience 42's all around and it was a big improvement especially with music. After 2 weeks, I traded in my front 42's to 52's and it sounded even better. I only use the 42C as center but I would have wanted to have another 52 for it.
I could have stopped there since I was already happy with my upgrade. But then I heard the Audience with high-end amplification and it made my jaw drop. The Audience sound will keep on improving with better amplification unlike other budget speakers that seem to have a ceiling.
So I got better amplification using a Rotel RMB-1075 and again... it keeps getting better. I wonder what would happen if I try on some Krell amps? :)
I then upgraded cables and again, a slight improvement. I suggest that you try to listen to Dyns first before you get any other speaker... it might just be what you are looking for.
I've compiled some reviews on Dyns here when I was doing my "research":
http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=29993.0
Myki
Yum!
Here are large pictures of some of the new Marantz receivers:
SR4500
Front (http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr4500_lrg.gif)
Back (http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr4500_bck.gif)
SR5500
Front (http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr5500_lrg.gif)
Back (http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr5500_bck.gif)
SR7500
Front (http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr7500_lrg.gif)
Back (http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr7500_bck.gif)
SR8500
Front (http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr8500_lrg.gif)
Back (http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr8500_bck.gif)
Inside (http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr8500_ins.gif)
Hi Myki! Is AV lipsync delay in 5500 adjustable for each input? Can you adjust speaker distance & levels in 0.5 dB & ft. increments? What are the available crossover frequencies? Thanks.
mattburk
11-06-04, 05:23 AM
Myki, No usb port on the back of that 8500? Where did you get that pic?
This one in the UK shows a usb port:
http://www.avland.co.uk/marantz/sr8500/rearlrg.jpg
Does any one know if the U.S. version of the 8500 will have usb?
I am glad the gold plating is that one though.
mattburk
11-06-04, 05:32 AM
It looks like myki's picture is the final product and the other is more of a beta test model. No usb! Why? The pain.
mattburk
11-06-04, 05:36 AM
Any body hear any thing about the sr-9600. I saw to speck sheets in two different magazines for it.
Originally posted by vinodk
Hi Myki! Is AV lipsync delay in 5500 adjustable for each input? Can you adjust speaker distance & levels in 0.5 dB & ft. increments? What are the available crossover frequencies? Thanks.
1. lipsync delay is not adjustable for each input and is available in digital sources only. delay is not available in 7.1ch analog inputs or when Source Direct is ON.
2. Speaker distance adjustable in ft. and levels in 1db increments
3. crossover frequencies can be set at 80, 100, and 120 Hz.
The pic is from the marantz.com website. The files were only uploaded a few days ago since the file dates specify Nov 2004.
The 4500 and 5500 here in Asia has detachable power cords but only has 1 swithced outlet rather than 2.
What seems interesting with the 7500 and 8500 is that you can have Speaker A, B, or C for the fronts. I also read somewhere, that it will be possible to use the C for bi-amplification of the front A speakers. Now that would be great for those with speakers that can be bi-wired/bi-amped.
Originally posted by mattburk
Myki, No usb port on the back of that 8500? Where did you get that pic?
This one in the UK shows a usb port:
http://www.avland.co.uk/marantz/sr8500/rearlrg.jpg
Does any one know if the U.S. version of the 8500 will have usb?
I am glad the gold plating is that one though.
mattburk
11-06-04, 01:55 PM
I don't see the 8500 liested yet on the marantz site, can you show a link.
Originally posted by mattburk
I don't see the 8500 liested yet on the marantz site, can you show a link.
It's not yet listed. It's sort of a hack. If you check the other pics on the site, it seems to be pointing to a directory at http://www.marantz.com/image/products
So if you put that in your browser, you'll be able to check all the image files available unless "directory listing" is disabled.
I'm sure they'll have the updated HTML pages up in no time. :)
mattburk
11-07-04, 03:46 AM
That's a hack alright, but it worked.
Thanks
Edvard_Grieg
11-07-04, 04:34 AM
Direct Links:
Front:
http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr8500_lrg.gif
http://www.marantz.com/image/products/e_sr8500_lrg.gif
Back:
http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr8500_bck.gif
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http://www.marantz.com/image/products/u_sr8500_ins.gif
emptychair
11-07-04, 08:48 AM
Any idea on the size of capacitors in the SR8500?
Jake Sm
11-07-04, 09:55 AM
At $1500 with a torroid, room correction and DVI, I will be VERY interested in running this unit through it's paces.
Just a bit of heads-up for Marantz x500 fans.... there are a few things that I wish were different with my SR5500:
1. The capability to switch OFF all video related circuitry is cool since I connect my DVD player straight to my TV, but once you switch off your AVR, it will be ON again. I guess they didn't want to put it in OFF all the time since some newbie might get pissed off that no video is coming out or something.
2. The entry-level remote does not have pre-programmed codes for NAD equipment.
3. The SR5500 is longer than both the SR7200 and SR4500 so I had to saw the back of my AVR rack just so that the cables won't get squished.
4. The test tone pink noise is always present when you adjust speaker levels (except for 7.1ch inputs) so it's hard to use DVD calibration discs like AVIA. However, after using the internal test tones, playing the AVIA tones gave the same levels even with the subwoofer. Cool. This was not the case with my SR7200.
5. No 12V triggers so I had to make my own to power up my separate amp. Good thing I had an old Nokia celphone charger that I modified. :)
Nevertheless, these things only affect 1% of my satisfaction rating of the unit. :)
And here are the few things I love with the SR5500 coming from the SR7200:
1) I can configure all settings without using the OSD
2) Lip Sync Delay
3) Very easy speaker levels setting
4) Capability to LOCK settings for each section of the setup menu
5) Separate speaker levels setting for 7.1ch analog inputs
6) More alive surround channels in Dolby Digital or DTS
7) Does not get hot
8) More organized connections at back. Video is clearly separated from Audio connections.
9) Easy to use remote. There is a permament volume control for the AVR and for the TV. With my SR7200, I need to press AMP and then volume or TV and then volume. Pre-programmed codes for my Samsung TV and Pioneer DVD player. I had to manually program this before.
10) Dolby Headpone Surround! I'm now looking for good headphones.
11) RS-232 port gives me bragging rights since this was only a feature in the SR8200 and SR9200 before. hehehe
12) I can configure the display at the front to either show the input (DVD, TV, etc.), show the processing (Dolby D, DTS, PCM 96k, etc.) or to auto off. Since I only have 1 source, I don't want to be reminded that it is on DVD. So I set the display to show the processing and at once I could know if it's in Stereo Multi Channel, Neo, Circle Surround, DTS, Dolby D, etc. It also looks cool when I see "PCM 96k" coming from some of my DVD-Audio discs.
13) Detacheable power cords seem "audiophile"-like but I have no plans of replacing them.
I hope I'm not adding to the suspense too much for those who are waiting for the x500 to arrive at their doorsteps. hehehe
Myki:
Can a Sr5500 (even better the Sr7400) play with the Dynaudio 52's at high volume with quality? -10~0dB?
Did you have to turn up the volume too much compared to the B&Ws?
Thanx... again... ;)
dougotte
11-08-04, 11:16 AM
Sorry to jump in w/ this side question, but I just bought the 7400 and for the first time have 12V triggers, but the manual doesn't say exactly what it does. I'm assuming from Myki's notes above that, when I switch the 7400 to a certain input, if I configure the trigger, it will turn on that external unit. Is that right?
Thanks.
Doug
Yes, amps or zone 2 amps, I think.
rhythmboy
11-08-04, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by Myki
13) Detacheable power cords seem "audiophile"-like but I have no plans of replacing them.
Myki, dumb question, only because I've been closely following the sr5500.
The pics that you posted from Marantz's site doesn't show a removeable power cord. Is yours the same version as a US version?
Thanks
Landroval
11-08-04, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by rhythmboy
Myki, dumb question, only because I've been closely following the sr5500.
The pics that you posted from Marantz's site doesn't show a removeable power cord. Is yours the same version as a US version?
Thanks
US versions of 4500/5500 does have a fixed power cord, while others have detachable.
Kevin. W
11-08-04, 05:06 PM
Isn't the rule of thumb, take your bottom end and double it, rounding of to the nearest crossover? My Paradigm Studio 40 have a Lower end Extension of 36(-3db). So I should be setting my crossover to 80hz.
Kevin
GetGray
11-08-04, 05:13 PM
Anyone have an ETA for the 8500's in the US yet?
Thanks,
Scott
Originally posted by Falp
Myki:
Can a Sr5500 (even better the Sr7400) play with the Dynaudio 52's at high volume with quality? -10~0dB?
Did you have to turn up the volume too much compared to the B&Ws?
Thanx... again... ;)
Yes, the SR5500 can play it loud with quality but not at the maximum potential of Dyns. With an outboard amp the music has more dynamics and punch. I'm not sure if I posted it here or elsewhere but this weekend, I removed the Rotel RMB-1075, got the cables, and connected my Pioneer universal player to the 7.1ch inputs. I was all alone at home so I played a Chesky SACD at 0db and the 5500 didn't clip or have any dropouts. I only did this for half of the SACD. Take note however that Chesky usually records at a lower volume level than the others.
I sold my B&Ws first before I got this 5500 so I wasn't able to test it. But weirdly so, with my Marantz SR7200, I listened to the B&W 601s at the same levels as the Dynaudios. If at most, maybe 1-2db difference only. I think they almost have the same sensitivity.
However, I would still suggest that you try out your own speakers first with the 5500 before buying it.
Originally posted by dougotte
Sorry to jump in w/ this side question, but I just bought the 7400 and for the first time have 12V triggers, but the manual doesn't say exactly what it does. I'm assuming from Myki's notes above that, when I switch the 7400 to a certain input, if I configure the trigger, it will turn on that external unit. Is that right?
Thanks.
Doug
Most mid-end devices have a 12V trigger input than can be connected to your 7400's 12v trigger output. I made my own wire before and connected my NAD C542 cd player to one of my 7200's trigger so when I selected "CD" from my remote, the CD player will turn on automatically.
The additional convenience is minimal but it impressed my friends. :)
Originally posted by rhythmboy
Myki, dumb question, only because I've been closely following the sr5500.
The pics that you posted from Marantz's site doesn't show a removeable power cord. Is yours the same version as a US version?
Thanks
It's not a dumb question. I think what is dumb is that Marantz should have used detachable power cords for all regions. Unless of course they made a survey and found out that guys in the US prefer having 2 auxillary outlets rather than a removeable power cord. I guess it's a trade off.
Landroval is right, even the SR4500 here came out with detachable power cords. You can check out pics of my SR4500 when it arrived and you'll see the kind of cord I have. The SR5500 has the same remote, antennas, and power cord as the SR4500.
Pics when SR4500 arrived (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=426057&perpage=20&pagenumber=7)
mattburk
11-09-04, 01:18 AM
I found this link:
http://www.marantz.com/image/products/e_sr8500_bck.gif
It looks like the usa version of the 8500 will not have usb but the UK version will.
Landroval
11-09-04, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by Bandit373
I believe you hit the differences (wattage, DVI)...and the 7500 is missing the usb port for WMA.
It does have the toroidial transformer....
How do you know?
mattburk
11-09-04, 03:20 AM
I found one place that has the 7500 for sale online, when is it suppose to hit the retail stores?
go to the marantz european website, there are additional informations about the SR7500 and SR8500 (pdf files, but not user manuals)
mattburk
11-09-04, 04:24 AM
http://www.marantz.com/new/index.cfm?fuseaction=Products.ProdSpecs&cont=eu&bus=hf&prod_id=3202
http://www.marantz.com/pdfs/e_sr7500.pdf
http://www.marantz.com/pdfs/e_sr8500.pdf
http://www.marantz.com/new/index.cfm?fuseaction=Products.Product&cont=eu&bus=hf&prod_id=3197
dougotte
11-09-04, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Myki
Most mid-end devices have a 12V trigger input than can be connected to your 7400's 12v trigger output. I made my own wire before and connected my NAD C542 cd player to one of my 7200's trigger so when I selected "CD" from my remote, the CD player will turn on automatically.
The additional convenience is minimal but it impressed my friends. :)
Myki, thanks for your response.
Doug
Bandit373
11-09-04, 12:04 PM
I found one place that has the 7500 for sale online, when is it suppose to hit the retail stores?
I just got a email from our local BM....the 7500 is in now, I hope to take a look next week.
Bandit373
11-09-04, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Landroval
How do you know?
I guess it doesn't...I must have mis-read that from an initial report.
Bummer :(
mattburk
11-09-04, 03:11 PM
In the pdf article talking about the 7500 under the "current feedback power amplification" it says the 7500 has a toroidal power supply, but under the the other link it says it has a EI transformer. Whats up with that?
Here's a shortcut to the Marantz Europe page with all the new x500 receivers:
http://www.marantz.com/new/index.cfm?fuseaction=Products.ProdCat&cont=eu&bus=hf&type=avr&series=comp
somervi
11-10-04, 12:00 AM
My local B&M says the 7500 is shipping now and the 8500 is scheduled to ship 3rd week in November. Not sure which I'll get, but can't wait to check them both out.
KangarooPaw
11-10-04, 05:08 AM
Originally posted by mattburk
In the pdf article talking about the 7500 under the "current feedback power amplification" it says the 7500 has a toroidal power supply, but under the the other link it says it has a EI transformer. Whats up with that?
If you do the 'compare' thing on the marantz site & select 7500 vs 8500 it clearly shows (in the resultant table) that the 8500 has the torroid & the 7500 has the EI. Almost looks like the 8500 is a "7500OSE" when you compare the specs.
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