2004-05 College Football Championships & Bowls in HDTV!

[Ken H]

The games on this list are considered to be 100% accurate.

Thursday December 2nd
MAC Championship – Toledo over Miami (OH)
ESPN HD

Saturday December 4th
Big XXII Championship – Oklahoma over Colorado
ABC HDTV

Saturday December 4th
105th Army Navy Game - Navy over Army
CBS HDTV

Saturday December 4th
SEC Championship – Auburn over Tennessee
CBS HDTV

Saturday December 11th
SWAC Championship - Alabama State over Southern University
HDNet

Thursday December 23rd
Las Vegas Bowl - Wyoming over UCLA
ESPN HD

Tuesday December 28th
Insight Bowl - Oregon State over Notre Dame
ESPN HD

Thursday December 30th
Holiday Bowl - Texas Tech over California
ESPN HD

Friday December 31st
Peach Bowl - Miami (FL) over Florida
ESPN HD

Saturday January 1st
Capitol One Bowl – Iowa over LSU
ABC HDTV

Saturday January 1st
Rose Bowl – Texas over Michigan (Excuse my tear drops staining the page.....)
ABC HDTV

Saturday January 1st
Fiesta Bowl – Utah over Pittsburgh
ABC HDTV

Monday January 3rd
Sugar Bowl – Auburn over Virginia Tech
ABC HDTV

Tuesday January 4th
Orange Bowl – Southern California (way) over Oklahoma - Bowl Championship Series National Championship Game
ABC HDTV

[HiDefSooner]

I didn't know that the Big 12 Championship game was going to be in HD this year. It was not last year. Ken is this set in stone?

[fredfa]

There is also the Pioneer Purevision Las Vegas Bowl, Dec. 23rd, (ESPN HD) 9:45 p.m. ET.
Jerry Palm is projecting a New Mexico-Marshall matchup.
Now THAT's worth staying up for in HD!

[rkunces]

You know it. I still can't see espn not having the Alamo or Peach bowl in HD

[mx6bfast]

wow 8 games. very nice

as of this post

[RDJR]

Here's hoping for the Alamo Bowl in HD. Go Buckeyes!!!

[cdharris]

8 games and 6 of them are on ABC which is not available in HD for me, either OTA or on DirecTV. What a bummer.

[jandar]

I would think that the Toyota Gator Bowl would be HD as well. Its the only Bowl Game shown by NBC.

[mx6bfast]

Originally posted by jandar
I would think that the Toyota Gator Bowl would be HD as well. Its the only Bowl Game shown by NBC.

Maybe we will be pleasantly surprised by NBC

[ucsbgaucho]

Yeah well... sports, HD and NBC don't go together, unless they move the game to Athens and show it a week later

[Ken H]

Originally posted by fredfa
There is also the Pioneer Purevision Las Vegas Bowl, Dec. 23rd, (ESPN HD) 9:45 p.m. ET.
Thanks.

[Reagan]

What a lineup! Very nice.

-Reagan

[Stevvot]

Ken,

Can you confirm that ABC will be showing the Big 12 championship in HD? It doesn't mention that game in their press release about the 4 BCS bowl games, and it seems like they would mention it if it was going to be in HD. No other ABC college games this year have been in HD, unlike CBS, who shows at least 1 every week. Don't get me wrong, I would love for ABC to have that game in HD, I'm just skeptical.

[Todd76]

Originally posted by jandar
I would think that the Toyota Gator Bowl would be HD as well. Its the only Bowl Game shown by NBC.

Considering that Notre Dame is not in HD, I wouldn't expect NBC's bowl game to be either.

[HDTVwannabe]

Cap One in HD... Iowa Hawkeyes in HD... freaking sweet!!!!!

[Ken H]

To all who are asking about specifics: Not all of this list is 'official' in the sense of you being able to find a press release or other confirming info, but as I said above, I consider the list to be 100% accurate. Take that for what you will.

[AFH]

Possible conference championship games on ABC in hd shows that ABC is making progress in terms of showing their CFB games in hd.

[dline]

Originally posted by HDTVwannabe
Cap One in HD... Iowa Hawkeyes in HD... freaking sweet!!!!!
... and if the Big XII Championship is also in HD, that gives me one more reason to hope Iowa State beats Mizzou Saturday !!!

Of course, ABC has picked the Cyclone-Tiger game for a regional telecast; I hope that doesn't jinx the 'Clones.

(EDIT: :( -- that's all I have to say. Great game, though.)

[ralphjb]

BCS v. BCS

Now that is a compelling matchup:D

[dashaund]

No Peach Bowl in HD?!?!? That REALLY, REALLY sucks. I know that the HD trucks are going to be really tight as far as use since there are so many games but come ON! ACC vs SEC!

[PCS]

No Liberty Bowl in HD. Not that I was holding by breath!

My Louisville Cardinals end up #7 in the nation (maybe better if Cal, or other top 5 teams, chokes next week) and the Cards have to go to the Liberty Bowl and I don't even get any HD. :mad:

It is good to see progress with the BCS games shown in HD. Much better than past years.

[bdraw]

Great job ABC stepping up this year for the bowl games!

[rkunces]

The Sun Bowl could possibly be added to that list if CBS decides to do their one lone game in HD

[pio]

What about USC and UCLA this weekend?? Will it be HD?

[rkunces]

doubt it

[HiDefSooner]

ABC is telling its affiliates today that the Big XII Championship game will be produced in high definition. Thanks Ken for letting us know first.

[PRMan]

That doesn't mean they will actually pass it along, right Mark (Cuban)? It IS ABC, you know.

[gwsat]

This is great news! I had given up. In fact, the only Oklahoma game I have seen in HD was last year's BCS Championship game, and ABC didn't decide to do it in HD until the last minute. In the event, it wasn't too exciting, HD or no HD. :)

[Lee11]

Anyone know about the Va Tech vs. Miami game in HD this weekend? It is essentially the ACC Championship Game, winner taking the ACC BCS bid.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by Lee11
Anyone know about the Va Tech vs. Miami game in HD this weekend? SD.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by PRMan
That doesn't mean they will actually pass it along, right Mark (Cuban)? It IS ABC, you know. Huh?

This is an ABC production. It will be broadcast in HDTV. The Benefactor not being in HD is a completely different matter.

[JeffU]

It is official - KenH is the man!

ABC Television Network
PRESS RELEASE - ENTERTAINMENT - CORRECTION/UPDATE
CORRECTION/UPDATE

AS OF WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 1, 2004

ALL TIMES ET (UNLESS NOTED)

ABC TELEVISION NETWORK LAST-MINUTE PROGRAM INFORMATION

Saturday, December 4
8:00 - 11:30 PM
UPDATE (ABC'S COLLEGE FOOTBALL) - "Dr. Pepper Big 12 Championship" - This program will now be telecast in HDTV (CLOSED-CAPTIONED)

[bgall]

could we add the times next to the dates in the first post? thanks :)

[dkomisar]

What about the Cotton Bowl? This is Fox's only bowl game and it might be between Tennessee and Texas.

[shankar]

TitainTV says that the game will be telecast in 720P

Virginia Tech at Miami. Tech's terrific trio of QB Bryan Randall, RB Mike Imoh and WR Eddie Royal wrap up their debut ACC season against a Miami defense featuring senior corner Antrelle Rolle. Last year, the Hokies rolled over Miami 31-7 program shown in 720p .

Does that imply HD or SD signal sent as 720P?

[SnakeEyes]

No ABC-HD here :/

[gwsat]

720P
TitainTV says that the game will be telecast in 720P

quote:
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Virginia Tech at Miami. Tech's terrific trio of QB Bryan Randall, RB Mike Imoh and WR Eddie Royal wrap up their debut ACC season against a Miami defense featuring senior corner Antrelle Rolle. Last year, the Hokies rolled over Miami 31-7 program shown in 720p
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Originally posted by shankar
TitainTV says that the game will be telecast in 720P

.

Does that imply HD or SD signal sent as 720P?

720p IS HD. It is the version used by ABC, ESPN, and Fox. It does not provide quite the resolution as the 1080i standard used by CBS and others, but its proponents argue that it provides better Resistance to artifacts that sometimes occur when there is swift movement on the screen. Whether this is true or not, 720p is dramatically superior to the 480i we get with SD telecasts.

[drewba]

The game may be broadcast in 720p because the station upconverts it, but that doesn't mean it's in HD. If you look at any program on ABC in TitanTV you'll see that it's broadcast in 720p. The HD programs specifically note that they are in high definition.

[dkomisar]

What about the Cotton Bowl in HD on Fox ? Tennessee and Texas, maybe, will be a good game and this is Fox's only bowl game.

[AFH]

Originally posted by dkomisar
What about the Cotton Bowl in HD on Fox ? Tennessee and Texas, maybe, will be a good game and this is Fox's only bowl game.

What about it? It won't be a good game if Brent Schaffer and the other quarterback aren't ready to play for Tennessee.

[rkunces]

Yup and couldn't look any better. another great job by espn. You can really see how much detail you see with espn and not with fox when games at Ford Field are on HD.

[Brainpimp]

I guess the big red HD on titan isn't a give away. lol

[Lee11]

Originally posted by shankar
TitainTV says that the game will be telecast in 720P

.

Does that imply HD or SD signal sent as 720P?

When I look at the program description on TitanTV.com, it doesn't have the 720P in the text. Do I need to look somewhere else? What am I missing?

[bgall]

No, some stations for whatever reason, have their native output in the program description off all showns on the stations. It doesn't show up for any of my stations. I really wish they would fix it so I don't have to keep readong about it, grr! :)

[squeak49]

Originally posted by Ken H
Saturday January 1st
Fiesta Bowl – Miami (Florida) vs. Utah
ABC HDTV

Saturday January 1st
Rose Bowl – Michigan vs. California
ABC HDTV

Monday January 3rd
Sugar Bowl – Auburn vs. Pittsburgh
ABC HDTV

Tuesday January 4th
Orange Bowl – Southern California vs. Oklahoma - National Championship
ABC HDTV[/b] [/B]

Wow! Ken knows the matchups before the regular season is over. I guess this means we get to see how good the Magic 8-ball is at predicting football games and the decisions of the Bowl committees!! :D

Seriously, thanks for the news. This is good stuff.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by squeak49
Wow! Ken knows the matchups before the regular season is over. Nah, I just took what was on the USA Today bowl list and punched it in for kicks. If it changes, so be it.

[Todd76]

Well we know Miami is wrong.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by Todd76
Well we know Miami is wrong. Yup.

[schud]

Boomer Sooner!

[shankar]

Originally posted by Todd76
Well we know Miami is wrong.

And how sweet is that???

All season, doubters never gave us a chance. Picked to finish 6th in ACC?? Ha Ha ha! We are the champions... Scary to think what would have happened if we had not lost to NC State by 1 pt and if the refs in the USC game had not tripped us up with bad calls...

Even yesterday, ESPN's Corso and Herbstreit gave the game to Miami in a platter...

and these fellows are called experts??

Go Hokies!!!

[wilbur1972]

Originally posted by shankar
And how sweet is that???

All season, doubters never gave us a chance. Picked to finish 6th in ACC?? Ha Ha ha! We are the champions... Scary to think what would have happened if we had not lost to NC State by 1 pt and if the refs in the USC game had not tripped us up with bad calls...

Even yesterday, ESPN's Corso and Herbstreit gave the game to Miami in a platter...

and these fellows are called experts??

Go Hokies!!!

On College Gameday on Saturday morning, Corso picked Virginia Tech, and said Randall would throw at least one deep touchdown pass. Herbstreit predicted Miami would win only because the game was in the Orange Bowl. He also said he thought Tech would beat Miami on a neutral field.

[Todd76]

Looks like Texas is going to pass Cal in the BCS Standings. Could be Michigan/Utah in the Rose Bowl, Texas/Pittsburgh in the Fiesta, Virginia Tech/Auburn in the Sugar, and of course OU/USC in the Orange.

[wb3032]

Texas/Michigan in the Rose.

[elspankdog]

I really hope Fox and NBC follow ABC's lead and decide to do the Cotton and Gator Bowls in HD. That would be an unprecedented 5 college football games in HD on Jan 1. :cool:

[Ken H]

Originally posted by elspankdog
I really hope...It's a nice hope, but prepare for the alternative.

[rkunces]

Originally posted by elspankdog
I really hope Fox and NBC follow ABC's lead and decide to do the Cotton and Gator Bowls in HD. That would be an unprecedented 5 college football games in HD on Jan 1. :cool:

Fox does the cotton bowl and if it doesn't have an hd production of the game i hope it atleast has 480p widescreen.

[pbmax542]

It is too bad that the Sooners don't get to play Auburn. It just seems like Auburn deserves a chance to play the best team in the nation.

BOOMER SOONERS!!!!

[tluxon]

Originally posted by pbmax542
It is too bad that the Sooners don't get to play Auburn. It just seems like Auburn deserves a chance to play the best team in the nation.

BOOMER SOONERS!!!!
Never underestimate your opponent!

Enjoy,

Tim

[No Clue]

Originally posted by pbmax542
It is too bad that the Sooners don't get to play Auburn. It just seems like Auburn deserves a chance to play the best team in the nation.

BOOMER SOONERS!!!!


They do!:D

[bobby94928]

It could be said that it was too bad that LSU didn't get to play the best team in the nation.... last year.

[SonomaSearcher]

Holiday Bowl ...? Versus a 7-4 team ...? Yech!

If Arizona State beats Arizona ... or the Conference USA ref doesn't make a phantom clipping call ... drat!

Sorry for the OT. It was nice to see so much college football in HD on one day.

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by shankar
And how sweet is that???

All season, doubters never gave us a chance. Picked to finish 6th in ACC?? Ha Ha ha! We are the champions... Scary to think what would have happened if we had not lost to NC State by 1 pt and if the refs in the USC game had not tripped us up with bad calls...

Even yesterday, ESPN's Corso and Herbstreit gave the game to Miami in a platter...

and these fellows are called experts??

Go Hokies!!!

I never doubted them for a second. I like VT and I'm from Alabama.

Wolfie

[HDTVwannabe]

If the Cap1 Bowl gets taken off the HD list of games, I'm gonna be HELLA PISSED!!!!!

[dgordo]

Originally posted by HDTVwannabe
If the Cap1 Bowl gets taken off the HD list of games, I'm gonna be HELLA PISSED!!!!!

Me too, I don't think the hawks have been shown in HD yet.

[RxMan1]

No plans for the Holiday Bowl to be in HD?

Cal vs.Texas Tech

Come on ESPN. :(

[gator33]

Please excuse my ignorance, but:

If I have ESPNHD as a channel on my TV (that I am getting this weekend), do they broadcast all of the regular ESPN programming in HD?

[Ken H]

Originally posted by gator33
Please excuse my ignorance, but:

If I have ESPNHD as a channel on my TV (that I am getting this weekend), do they broadcast all of the regular ESPN programming in HD? No, they do not. Usually, 3 live sport events per week are in HD, along with SportsCenter, and a few other programs.

Read the HDTV Programming Synopsis, and you'll find a link to the ESPN HD schedule.

[shankar]

Originally posted by Wolfie
I never doubted them for a second. I like VT and I'm from Alabama.

Wolfie

Thanks Wolfie... Hopefully, our performance this season (and the bowl victory) will make the nation respect us... (especially here in UofM country)

[rkunces]

I'm pulling for the Sun Bowl to be shown too, cmon CBS don't pull an NBC on us.

[Benji]

Originally posted by pbmax542
It is too bad that the Sooners don't get to play Auburn. It just seems like Auburn deserves a chance to play the best team in the nation.

BOOMER SOONERS!!!! They may not be playing the best team in the nation, but they will be playing the hottest team with a defense second to none. It's a no-win situation for Auburn. Everytime Tech beats a Top Ten team, they get dropped out of the Top Ten. So everyone says well they still haven't beaten a Top Ten team. Well maybe this time when the Hokies triumph, Auburn will manage to remain ranked. Auburn favored by 6½...Hokies will not only cover but win outright!

GO HOKIES!!!

[Ken H]

Originally posted by RxMan1
No plans for the Holiday Bowl to be in HD? I've been told the possibility exists. If I hear more, I'll pass it along.

[RxMan1]

Thanks Ken!!
Please let me know.

[Ken H]

Updates.

[napa_newbie]

Man, this is going to bad and good. Good for great HD football, bad for the amount of handicapping I need to do to come out ahead on my betting.

[Benji]

Originally posted by napa_newbie
Man, this is going to bad and good. Good for great HD football, bad for the amount of handicapping I need to do to come out ahead on my betting. Here's my hot tip for the day. Take the Hokies + 7.

[dline]

Originally posted by HDTVwannabe
If the Cap1 Bowl gets taken off the HD list of games, I'm gonna be HELLA PISSED!!!!!

Hate to say this, but when I checked ABC's HD bowl game article this afternoon it said the HD would start with the Rose Bowl at 3:30 pm central/4:30 eastern. Obviously I hope it's wrong and that the HD will start with the Cap One.

GO HAWKS!!!

[napa_newbie]

Originally posted by Benji
Here's my hot tip for the day. Take the Hokies + 7.
Dude, I've already got a few bills on that one already.....thanks.

Here's my tip.......Take the moneyline on Florida and Cal -11.5

[pbmax542]

Here is a tip for you.

Matt Leinart got the Heisman, so OU will win for sure. It's the Heisman curse. That's why OU lost last year.

[bobby94928]

Originally posted by pbmax542
Here is a tip for you.

Matt Leinart got the Heisman, so OU will win for sure. It's the Heisman curse. That's why OU lost last year.

I did a little study on that "curse" and it doesn't hold up. I looked at the last 20 years of bowl history and found that teams with Heisman winners won 9 games and lost 10. Houston's '89 team did not play in a bowl. If you look at the last 10 years, it's 6 wins and 4 losses. To carry it one further, look at USC's Orange Bowl game in 2003. Carson Palmer's 2002 season ended with a resounding 38-17 win over Iowa.

Don't count your chickens.........

[schud]

Bobby, I suggest you look further back than 20 years for your historical perspective! ;) Here's the bigger picture (which I found on this OU student's website (http://students.ou.edu/L/Derek.W.Looper-1/3043mythfolklore/story1.html) ):

"Since the BCS was implemented in 1998, Heisman Trophy winners have played in 3 of the 6 National Championship games, all of them being quarterbacks (Jason White, Eric Crouch, and Chris Weinke), and all 3 of their teams lost in the championship by more than a touchdown. In fact, they all tend to play very poorly. The best example of this is in 2000, when Chris Weinke and the high-powered Florida State Seminole offense could not even move the ball, much less put a single offensive point on the board in the Orange Bowl, which was won 13-2 by the Oklahoma Sooners and their Heisman Trophy runner-up quarterback Josh Heuple.

This curse goes beyond recent BCS history as well. In fact, if you win the Heisman Trophy and play for the Miami Hurricanes, you are destined to lose the championship game. Miami’s 2 Heisman Trophy winners, Vinny Testaverde (1986) and Gino Torretta (1992) both lost the national championships. In the last 20 years, only Danny Wuerffel (1996) has won the national championship game after winning the Heisman Trophy. That year, Wuerffel’s Florida Gators beat their in-state rival Florida State Seminoles in the Sugar Bowl. This curse is not confined to championship games only. In the past 30 years, Heisman Trophy winners have lost more than half of the bowl games they played in, not just the national championship game. So, is this a real curse, or simply just a good old case of bad luck?"

I don't think the Sooners are counting any chickens! Awarding the Heisman to Leinart is probably the best thing that could have happened to the Sooners. Lienart was quoted in the paper this morning "I know they're going to be coming after me big time." I think he gets the picture.

I guess we'll see who really deserved to win the trophy, won't we? ;)

Go Sooners! :D

[bobby94928]

Originally posted by schud
Bobby, I suggest you look further back than 20 years for your historical perspective! ;) Here's the bigger picture (which I found on this OU student's website (http://students.ou.edu/L/Derek.W.Looper-1/3043mythfolklore/story1.html) ):

"Since the BCS was implemented in 1998, Heisman Trophy winners have played in 3 of the 6 National Championship games, all of them being quarterbacks (Jason White, Eric Crouch, and Chris Weinke), and all 3 of their teams lost in the championship by more than a touchdown. In fact, they all tend to play very poorly. The best example of this is in 2000, when Chris Weinke and the high-powered Florida State Seminole offense could not even move the ball, much less put a single offensive point on the board in the Orange Bowl, which was won 13-2 by the Oklahoma Sooners and their Heisman Trophy runner-up quarterback Josh Heuple.

This curse goes beyond recent BCS history as well. In fact, if you win the Heisman Trophy and play for the Miami Hurricanes, you are destined to lose the championship game. Miami’s 2 Heisman Trophy winners, Vinny Testaverde (1986) and Gino Torretta (1992) both lost the national championships. In the last 20 years, only Danny Wuerffel (1996) has won the national championship game after winning the Heisman Trophy. That year, Wuerffel’s Florida Gators beat their in-state rival Florida State Seminoles in the Sugar Bowl. This curse is not confined to championship games only. In the past 30 years, Heisman Trophy winners have lost more than half of the bowl games they played in, not just the national championship game. So, is this a real curse, or simply just a good old case of bad luck?"

I don't think the Sooners are counting any chickens! Awarding the Heisman to Leinart is probably the best thing that could have happened to the Sooners. Lienart was quoted in the paper this morning "I know they're going to be coming after me big time." I think he gets the picture.

I guess we'll see who really deserved to win the trophy, won't we? ;)

Go Sooners! :D

All right, let's try it this way, without bias...... :)

There have been 69 Heisman winners before Matt Leinart. The record stands this way as related to Post Season Bowls: 22 Wins - 22 Losses- 25 with no Bowl at all. It's dead even no matter how you want to spin it.

I garnered the data here:

http://www.cruzan.info/ncaa.html
http://www.heisman.com/winners/hsmn-winners.html#winners-year

There might be those who believe that Jason White didn't deserve it last year. I'm not one of them. Personally, I believe Adrian Peterson should have won this year, but then, he's got a few more years to get one.

[Todd76]

Originally posted by schud
In the last 20 years, only Danny Wuerffel (1996) has won the national championship game after winning the Heisman Trophy.

What about Charlie Ward, Florida State, 1993?

[bobby94928]

and one more trivia bit.... There have been 24 quarterbacks chosen before Matt Leinart. Their Bowl record is 8 wins, 8 losses, 8 no bowls appearances. Still even.

[pbmax542]

I think that they gave it to Leinart because they wanted the national championship to be Heisman QB vs. Heisman QB. Does anyone here really believe that Leinart was the best candidate for the trophy? I don't even think that he was the best player on his team this year.

[shankar]

Originally posted by schud

"Since the BCS was implemented in 1998, Heisman Trophy winners have played in 3 of the 6 National Championship games, all of them being quarterbacks (Jason White, Eric Crouch, and Chris Weinke), and all 3 of their teams lost in the championship by more than a touchdown. In fact, they all tend to play very poorly. The best example of this is in 2000, when Chris Weinke and the high-powered Florida State Seminole offense could not even move the ball, much less put a single offensive point on the board in the Orange Bowl, which was won 13-2 by the Oklahoma Sooners and their Heisman Trophy runner-up quarterback Josh Heuple.

Chris Weinke won the Heisman for the 1999-2000 season, beating out my fellow VT hokie Michael Vick and Purdue's Drew Bress. Weinke and the seminoles beat my Hokies 46-29 in the 2000 sugar bowl to win the national championship.

Heisman winners in the NFL is another story...

[rkunces]

Yeah just look at Eric Crouch

[shankar]

And Chris Weinke!!

[Todd76]

Originally posted by shankar
Chris Weinke won the Heisman for the 1999-2000 season, beating out my fellow VT hokie Michael Vick and Purdue's Drew Bress. Weinke and the seminoles beat my Hokies 46-29 in the 2000 sugar bowl to win the national championship.

Heisman winners in the NFL is another story...

Weinke won in 2000, the year after winning the national championship. Ron Dayne won in 1999, and Weinke was not in the top 5. Vick finished 3rd in 1999 and 6th in 2000.

OU's Josh Heupel finished second to Weinke in 2000 and beat him in the national championship game.

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/1999_archive_awards.html


Originally posted by rkunces
Yeah just look at Eric Crouch

Crouch won the Heisman as a running quarterback. There's no such position in the NFL.

[shankar]

Originally posted by Todd76

Crouch won the Heisman as a running quarterback. There's no such position in the NFL.

Ahem! Vick? McNabb?

[rkunces]

Originally posted by Todd76
Weinke won in 2000, the year after winning the national championship. Ron Dayne won in 1999, and Weinke was not in the top 5. Vick finished 3rd in 1999 and 6th in 2000.

OU's Josh Heupel finished second to Weinke in 2000 and beat him in the national championship game.

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/1999_archive_awards.html




Crouch won the Heisman as a running quarterback. There's no such position in the NFL.

Doesn't matter, he's just another example of a heisman winner that cant convert to the nfl game. he tried WR and that didn't work out either.

[fredfa]

So what?
The award isn't for most likely to succeed in the NFL -- it is for the best performance by a college player.
The award for most likely to succeed in the NFL comes with the first pick of the NFL draft.
Lack of success in the NFL doesn't diminish the collegiate accomplishments of so many Heisman winners in the least.
(Not at that any of this has anything at all to do with HD programming.)

[SonomaSearcher]

Back OT, here's a question for those who know how long it takes to break down and set up an HD truck.

Could the HD truck that's being used for the Rose Bowl in Pasadena (January 1, 2:00pm PT) also be used for the Holiday Bowl in San Diego on December 30th (5:00pm PT start time)? The drive from San Diego to Pasadena would be about 4 to 6 hours, looking at it conservatively (rush hour traffic).

I suppose the answer is no, it's too short a turnaround, but I'd like to hear from the experts.

[Ken H]

I'm not an expert in this area, but I did stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night.

My assumption for your scenario is 1 day for tear down, 1 day for travel, and 1 day for set up, which I believe is the bare minimum.

[rkunces]

Originally posted by fredfa
So what?
The award isn't for most likely to succeed in the NFL -- it is for the best performance by a college player.
The award for most likely to succeed in the NFL comes with the first pick of the NFL draft.
Lack of success in the NFL doesn't diminish the collegiate accomplishments of so many Heisman winners in the least.
(Not at that any of this has anything at all to do with HD programming.)

Bro I'm aware of that this discussion has been brought up form a long time ago. It was about the heisman curse and how many heisman winners atleast of late have had poor pro careers.

I'm not saying at all that this diminshes their collegiate careers, a great example of that is hershcel walker, respected as the best college football player ever stiill to this day despite his decent but certainly not what everyone was looking for career.

I'm also aware of the fact the heisman doesn't mean that person will succeed in the nfl which is exactly what im debating about.

again im just reverting back to an old conversation which you didn't see my oririginal post i was quoting from but whatever.

back to hd:

were any games that were on espn last year broadcasted in hd and if so which bowls? Also any news with CBS and the sun bowl or NBC and the gator bowl?

[RxMan1]

KenH,

Does the possibility still exist for an HD Holiday Bowl?

[grodgers]

Originally posted by RxMan1
KenH,

Does the possibility still exist for an HD Holiday Bowl?

Might I suggest that you (and any other interested parties) send a request to ESPN?

I did - although I have yet to receive any kind of non-automated response.

Go Tech!

[RxMan1]

I will do that.

GO TECH!

[trafter]

Originally posted by bobby94928
It could be said that it was too bad that LSU didn't get to play the best team in the nation.... last year.

We couldn't play ourselves in a bowl - by the way I guess the Sugar Bowl is for the AP championship this year, huh!

[Belcherwm]

Originally posted by Ken H
I'm not an expert in this area, but I did stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night.


Ken,

You need to update your signature! :D

[JeffU]

The Insight, Holiday, and Peach Bowl have now been added to the ESPNHD schedule.

[bgall]

Sweeeet.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by JeffU
The Insight, Holiday, and Peach Bowl have now been added to the ESPNHD schedule. I was told this could happen. Great news.

[PRMan]

Awesome. Again, ESPN steps up to the plate and knocks it out of the park.

(Oops, wrong sport...)

[bgall]

Heh, I was just going to say umm, that's the wrong sport.

(well I still had to say it anyways, cause that was funny :) )

[grodgers]

Originally posted by JeffU
The Insight, Holiday, and Peach Bowl have now been added to the ESPNHD schedule.

Totally awesome!

Hit 'em Wreck 'em give 'em heck from Texas Tech!

[Wolfie]

What? No Gee-Mac (GMAC) bowl? This bowl, year in and year out, has the best matchups and outcomes of all the bowl games. Oops, my bad. I forgot this one is on ESPN2.

Wolfie

[rkunces]

I'm surprised no Alamo or Outback Bowl since Big 10 is espn's big conference they broadcast and Big 12 and SEC matchup with Big 10 is always a great game.

[GScott]

As a Buckeye fan I was disappointed the Alamo Bowl did not make the list. With games the day before and the day after it looks like it's not going to happen.

[Dream1]

So, do you guys think they’ll reconsider the Emerald Bowl? :-)



Ok, on with the laughing. (I am an alumnus of UNM so I have to say something.)

I cannot believe we made the move to the Emerald bowl over the Las Vegas Bowl. Nothing would please me more than –another- Beat Down in the City of Lights. :-)

At least it would look and sound awesome.

I guess the crappy ESPN2 feed will have to do.

[JThree]

C'mon ESPN! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is the picture quality so dear, or surround sound so sweet? I know not what course FOX or ABC may take, but as for me, give me the Liberty Bowl in HD or give me death! OK, not death, just gimme the Liberty Bowl in HD!

[PRMan]

Nice. :)

[raidbuck]

As someone who feels Cal was really jobbed out of the Rose Bowl (they lost ground to Texas during the week they were both idle - pretty obvious to me), at least I'll be able to watch them in the Holiday Bowl in HD.

Thanks, ESPN. And the Big-12 Coaches? :mad:

Rich N.

[elspankdog]

Originally posted by raidbuck
Thanks, ESPN. And the Big-12 Coaches? :mad:

Don't forget to thank the wonderful computers and the people who wrote their programs. They had Cal behind Texas and Utah all along. ;)

[bigjohns1997SS]

yeah, cause CAL would have went 10-1 in the big12 south, yeah right.

elspankdog : an aggie sticking up for TU, what gives?

[rsg_1]

Well I would like to watch Cal and TT in the Holiday Bowl.

If Cal was in the Big-12 South they would be lucky to get 7-4 or 8-3. More than likely Cal would be 6-5. The polls have way too much east and west coast bias in them.

[raidbuck]

Originally posted by Wolfie
What? No Gee-Mac (GMAC) bowl? This bowl, year in and year out, has the best matchups and outcomes of all the bowl games. Oops, my bad. I forgot this one is on ESPN2.

Wolfie

Yes, but maybe next year since ESPN2 is going HD in 3 weeks.

Rich N.

[raidbuck]

Hey, good to hear from the Texas fans out there.


We shall see what happens to Texas against Michigan, Cal against TT and Pitt against Utah. If Pitt beats Utah the BCS brains might have to re-assess kicking out Cal (or could have been Texas) for a non-BCS team.

Also please remember that Cal fans aren't used to these types of discussions so we are afraid this may have been our best chance.

But at least we'll be able to see all these games in HD!

Rich N.

[rsg_1]

Rich,

I aint no Texass fan, but I hope they win. Its a real strange situation with the BCS and you know in your heart of hearts that is just plain wrong when Sooner and Longhorn fans are rooting for each other.

[elspankdog]

Originally posted by bigjohns1997SS
yeah, cause CAL would have went 10-1 in the big12 south, yeah right.

elspankdog : an aggie sticking up for TU, what gives?

I could make the trip to the Cotton Bowl while San Diego was an unlikely scenario.

People tend to forget that the sole purpose of the BCS is the title game although it has struggled with that. All the other games are an afterthought, and the rules for eligibility seemed to be made up on the fly. The craziest scenario would have been if A&M beat the whorns or S Miss beat Cal, and Boise St got into the BCS top 6. Neither Cal or Texas would have got in with two non-BCS league teams in the top 6. Talk about some crappy matchups i.e. Mich vs Boise St.

[bigjohns1997SS]

rsg : i feel the same way but until we goto the playoffs more big 12 BCS bowls means more money for our respective schools.

BTW TT should give cal a run for their money but if CAL doesn't double thier score then i feel very confident that Texas would have beat CAL in a matchup.

[spoonman27]

So Cal would not win 10 games in the big 12 south? Who exactly would they be losing to? That awesome A and M team that lost to Baylor? Or the Texas powerhouse with Vince Young at quarterback? Where do you guys get your expertise-Lee Corso? Stick to talking about HD.

[bigjohns1997SS]

CAL couldn't beat Texas, a&m, or OU, and they would have trouble with OKst and Tech at home. Anyways i am rooting for my confrence you root for yours we shall see how well they would do when they play tech who Texas beat by 30 pts 51-21 on their precious turf. If CAL doesn't double up on Tech it's safe to say UT would handle CAL no prob.

[tcotter]

Originally posted by GScott
As a Buckeye fan I was disappointed the Alamo Bowl did not make the list. With games the day before and the day after it looks like it's not going to happen.

I'll second that. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll add it last minute. I think you're right, it doesn't look promising.

[elspankdog]

Originally posted by spoonman27
So Cal would not win 10 games in the big 12 south? Who exactly would they be losing to?

Probably TCU who rolled S Miss by 25 pts. Oh wait, that's the old Southwest Conference. Seriously, the Cal/Texas debate is stupid. Both teams have one loss to the number 1/2 team. Somebody had to get screwed. I'm glad it was Cal.

[mws6468]

Is tonights game on ESPN in HD?

[No Clue]

Originally posted by mws6468
Is tonights game on ESPN in HD?

I don't see it listed on the ESPN HD calendar.

[MJ-1]

Although this thread indicates the Capital One Bowl in HD,
everything else to me indicates this is incorrect. Anyone have
updated accurate info?

[Ken H]

Originally posted by MJ-1
Although this thread indicates the Capital One Bowl in HD,
everything else to me indicates this is incorrect. Anyone have
updated accurate info? The list is correct.

[Mark Vidonic]

The same truck that is doing the Orange Bowl (as is most of the crew) will be doing the Capital One Bowl. Short jaunt from Orlando to Miami, and that means they can set up in Miami the 2nd and 3rd.

[dline]

I'm not holding my breath, but I'm hoping it's HD ... GO HAWKS !!!

[JeffU]

Originally posted by MJ-1
Although this thread indicates the Capital One Bowl in HD,
everything else to me indicates this is incorrect. Anyone have
updated accurate info?

As you can see by the other responses, the smart money is on "Yes."

However, if ABC does like they did with the Big 12 Championship game they won't confirm it publicly until 3 days before it airs. So don't get worried just yet.

[Mark Vidonic]

Originally posted by dline
I'm not holding my breath, but I'm hoping it's HD ... GO HAWKS !!!

No need to turn blue..it IS in HD. If Ken says, yes, it's yes.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by dline
I'm not holding my breath...Please do. As long as necessary to achieve the desired result.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by Mark Vidonic
No need to turn blue..it IS in HD. Aw Mark, let 'em go. I was hoping to see the headlines....

"AVS MEMBER EXPLODES AFTER HOLDING BREATH'
Film at 11.

Once again, the expression 'pearls before swine' comes to mind.

[manufanatic]

searched this thread is NBC showing the gator bowl in HD

[Ken H]

Originally posted by manufanatic
searched this thread is NBC showing the gator bowl in HD Is it listed in the first post? If not, it's not in HD.

[rkunces]

Is there still speculation whether the Cotton Bowl will be in HD or is it a positive that it won't be in hd?

and if not will it be atleast in 480p widescreen?

[JeffU]

Cotton Bowl will be in 480p widescreen.

[drgolf]

Looks like the majority of the HD Bowl games are on ESPN HD and ABC-HD. Ken H, is there any chance a D* sub will get to see any of the Bowl games in HD on ABC? Either as a special event or ABC-HD being live?

[tvanov]

Ken,

Do you know if the ABC bowls will be ABC productions with DD 5.1 like Monday night football, or ESPN productions with Circle Surround?

[Ken H]

Originally posted by drgolf
Ken H, is there any chance a D* sub will get to see any of the Bowl games in HD on ABC? Either as a special event or ABC-HD being live? I suppose it's possible, but don't bet the farm on it.

[drgolf]

Originally posted by Ken H
I suppose it's possible, but don't bet the farm on it.

Hardly a ringing endorsement that it may happen. I think that was probably as positive as Ken could be on this issue. Knowing that it came from him, I wouldn't even bet the south 40 on it!

[Steve_Smith]

My guides are indicating that the Insight Bowl will NOT be HD (tonight on ESPN HD.)

I am checking my satellite guide as well as Titan TV / Check HD.

[jawilljr]

Originally posted by Steve_Smith
My guides are indicating that the Insight Bowl will NOT be HD (tonight on ESPN HD.)

I am checking my satellite guide as well as Titan TV / Check HD.

According to ESPN HD (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tvlistings/espnhd/index) it will be in HD tonight.

Jerry

[shawn12341234]

The promo during the game yesterday also said HD.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by Steve_Smith
My guides are indicating that the Insight Bowl will NOT be HD (tonight on ESPN HD.)

I am checking my satellite guide as well as Titan TV / Check HD. Your guides are wrong.

[kevin j]

even the chicago tribune has no HD logo next to the game in todays tv listing[i know they're wrong]

[Ken H]

Originally posted by drgolf
Hardly a ringing endorsement that it may happen. I think that was probably as positive as Ken could be on this issue. Knowing that it came from him, I wouldn't even bet the south 40 on it! See my latest comments in the ABC on D* topic.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by tvanov
Ken,

Do you know if the ABC bowls will be ABC productions with DD 5.1 like Monday night football, or ESPN productions with Circle Surround? I believe all of them will be 5.1.

[Steve_Smith]

Ken...when I got home from the Independence Bowl, there it was. The Insight Bowl in glorious High Definition. You are the Man!

:-)

[Ken H]

Originally posted by Steve_Smith
Ken...when I got home from the Independence Bowl, there it was. The Insight Bowl in glorious High Definition. You are the Man!

:-) When I post something as fact, it's because the sources of information are impeccable.

[DFul4d]

Get your GUNS UP! Go Raiders!!! Texas Tech in HD - Hell Yeah. This transplanted Red Raider is looking forward to seeing that high-powered offense in HD. Too bad it is like a home game for Cal.

[bobby94928]

San Diego is a long way from Berkeley, about 500 miles, not exactly a home game. The game is played in Cal's home state, but it's a big state, just not as big as Texas. ;)

[HiDefSooner]

I got some information I want to pass on to you. Some of the HD bowl games on ABC will be in Dolby Digital 5.1 others will be in just Stereo. Here is a list to help you on gameday.

Saturday, January 1, 2005

12:00 PM Capital One Bowl - LSU vs. Iowa - STEREO
3:30 PM The Rose Bowl Game - Texas vs. Michigan - Dobly Digital 5.1 AUDIO
7:30 PM Tostitos Fiesta Bowl - Utah vs. Pittsburgh - STEREO

Monday, January 3, 2005

7:00 PM Nokia Sugar Bowl - Auburn vs. Virginia Tech - STEREO

Tuesday, January 4, 2005

7:00 PM FedEx Orange Bowl (The
National Championship Game) - USC vs. Oklahoma Dolby Digital 5.1 AUDIO

[shankar]

I've been watching the Insight Bowl, Now the Continental tire bowl, because my Hokies were "projected" to be there! LOL..

Of course I'll watch the Rose bowl to see UM scorched, the SUGAR BOWL and possibly the Orange Bowl..

GO Hokies! Beat Auburn.. Prove our team's worth and earn some respect !!

[Benji]

I think the BCS rules committee is pulling hard for the Hokies, as well.

[raidbuck]

I'm sure that the BCS wants Texas Tech to beat Cal and Texas to beat Michigan so they can say that Cal didn't get jobbed out of the Rose Bowl.

And I'm really, positively sure they hope that Utah beats Pitt. Depriving Cal of a BCS for the first non-BCS team that would get beaten by a 20th-ranked team while a 15 point favorite? It would probably end any other non-BCS league from having another chance. (As you can see, this Cal fan still has some sour grapes).

So we'll see....

Rich N.

[elspankdog]

Originally posted by spoonman27
So Cal would not win 10 games in the big 12 south? Who exactly would they be losing to? That awesome A and M team that lost to Baylor? Or the Texas powerhouse with Vince Young at quarterback? Where do you guys get your expertise-Lee Corso? Stick to talking about HD.

They'd lose to the fourth place team in the Big XII Southern Division. Now back to the HD. The game looked great.

[ChrisInRichmond]

Sorry to see all bowls not in 5.1, but I guess you cant have it all. Kudos to ABC nonetheless for getting it together and bringing all these games in HD

[shankar]

Originally posted by raidbuck
I'm sure that the BCS wants Texas Tech to beat Cal and Texas to beat Michigan so they can say that Cal didn't get jobbed out of the Rose Bowl.


Cal -- Badly beaten..

Can Texas and VT do the same to Michigan and Auburn ???

[raidbuck]

As a Cal fan I have to admit that their defense played atrociously, their freshman receiver botched a perfect pass that was intercepted and set up a touchdown and then they roughed the punter when trying to mount a comeback.

A very depressing game for the tarnished Golden Bears. And they will probably lose their quarterback to the NFL. Ah well,,,the HD was great.

Rich N.

[SonomaSearcher]

Roughing the punter call was questionable based on the replays. Punter was already falling down and Lorenzo was pushed into him by Tech player.

Texas Tech O-line was holding all over the place with no calls by the refs, including on its second to last touchdown. You can see it clearly as the tailback runs by.

But you can't blame a 2 touchdown loss on the refs. Period.

The only bad thing to say about Cal's defense since the Bears beat USC last season in Memorial is that it underperforms in bowl games. 49 points to VA Tech last year and 45 points this year. You can't give up 45+ points in a bowl game every year and expect to win them all. (But with Cal's offense I'd expect them to win 2 out of 3.)

Happy New Year All!

[DavoM]

Woooohoooo! The Cotton Bowl is in High Def and DD 5.1 and I'm watching it right now.

Way to go Fox!

Peace,

DM

[mstahlkr]

Originally posted by DavoM
Woooohoooo! The Cotton Bowl is in High Def and DD 5.1 and I'm watching it right now.

Way to go Fox!

Peace,

DM

Looks like Fox WS to me.

[Inundated]

Indeed, the Cotton Bowl is not on Ken's list in the first message on this thread... and the only HD games today are the ABC games.

[gwsat]

The PQ of the LSU v. Iowa game on ABC is GREAT, both via Cox OKC and OTA. You can count the blades of grass in the divots. The Rose Parade looked wonderful, too.

Although some seem to be receiving the Cotton Bowl in 480 Widescreen, for some reason the local Fox affiliate is showing it in 4:3 SD.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by DavoM
Woooohoooo! The Cotton Bowl is in High Def and DD 5.1 and I'm watching it right now.
No, it's EDTV.

[Crazz]

Sorry to ask obvious question. Just that I'm at work and supposed to work today and home is 30 miles away and want to make sure that if I'm ditching work that the Rose Bowl is in Widescreen HD today. Is it?

[bgall]

yes.

[Spiro1]

It looks the person in Detroit forgot to flip the switch because I don't see HD.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by Spiro1
It looks the person in Detroit forgot to flip the switch because I don't see HD. Pre game is SD.

[bgall]

Oh thank god, I thought I'd have to call the station again...

[dc10forlife]

Everyone else getting the Rose Bowl in HD? ... none here in Dayton.

[Ken H]

Originally posted by dc10forlife
Everyone else getting the Rose Bowl in HD? ... none here in Dayton. Yes, see the Rose Bowl topic, at the top.

[dc10forlife]

Originally posted by Ken H
Yes, see the Rose Bowl topic, at the top.


Just making sure it is a local, not a national problem. Local problem it is. No HD.

[Inundated]

It must be Ohio or something...the Fiesta Bowl tonight is not in HD on WEWS/Cleveland, and they're usually good about it.

[jdfs]

The ABC games on Jan 1 did not look good at all to me. The far away shots looked very blurred and highly compressed. I am watching the NY feed on cable. Anyone else notice this? Watching the Pitt - Utah game now on the DVR. Certain camera angles look good, but the majority are not.

[PRMan]

The far away shots were clearly not HD cameras. Even my friends who had never seen HD before could tell.

[ridgefamus]

I dunno, maybe it's just me but I was very thankful ABC had 3 consecutive games in HD. After viewing the Fox (HD?- you gotta be kidding!) coverage of the Cotton Bowl the Capital One bowl seemed nirvana to my senses. Sure they used some WS SD cameras but I thought we all had gotten used to that shortcoming from all the networks. Maybe the PQ wasn't always "amazing" but I still have to hand it to ABC for providing me so much visual entertainment on New Year's Day.

Via Comcast and OTA from KATU Portland.

Bob

[IamtheWolf]

Originally posted by ridgefamus
I dunno, maybe it's just me but I was very thankful ABC had 3 consecutive games in HD. After viewing the Fox (HD?- you gotta be kidding!) coverage of the Cotton Bowl the Capital One bowl seemed nirvana to my senses. Sure they used some WS SD cameras but I thought we all had gotten used to that shortcoming from all the networks. Maybe the PQ wasn't always "amazing" but I still have to hand it to ABC for providing me so much visual entertainment on New Year's Day.

Via Comcast and OTA from KATU Portland.

Bob

Huh? Those SD cameras on the sidelines were really poor (I think it was the Capital One Bowl, not one of the BCS games). It has hard to look at. We should all expect better.

E

[ANSEK]

No HD here is West Palm Beach

[bgall]

Edit: WPBF just switched to the HD feed, because I heard the sound change, but the pre-game is still indeed only SD.

The thread is here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=491151

I couldn't find it at first myself.

[jimgibby]

HD looking great in Chattaboogie, TN.

I've noticed all recent ABC football games broadcast in 5.1 but the commentators' voice originate from the left rear speaker. Crowd & field noise from front/center speakers.

Is this normal and by design? Never noticed this with other HD sports broadcast before.

[Todd76]

Originally posted by jimgibby
commentators' voice originate from the left rear speaker. Crowd & field noise from front/center speakers.

Sounds like a problem with your local channel. Contact your ABC affiliate.

[spoonman27]

Originally posted by elspankdog
They'd lose to the fourth place team in the Big XII Southern Division. Now back to the HD. The game looked great.
Lots of people made the mistake of thinking that was a representative display of Cal this year. They lost their best receiver in the USC game. Their play offensively suffered down the stretch. They lost their next best receiver in the last game. Their performance offensively was even worse after this. There is no excuse for playing as they did defensively. However, so many people assumed this accurately represented Cal and the Pac-10 that the point spread on the USC-Oklahoma game went from USC by 3 to a pick em.
As much as I despise sc, I have to thank them for representing the conference well and winning me some money. The 5.1 in the game was great;I turned off my center speaker and just listened to the crowd. HD was awesome as usual.

[elspankdog]

Originally posted by spoonman27
As much as I despise sc, I have to thank them for representing the conference well and winning me some money.

I'll give you that one. They won me money also. Now we have to wait a whole year until the arguments start again.

[ridgefamus]

At least we won't have this year's argument about how unjustified it was to rank USC #1 from the get go.

[Benji]

I'm sure all the Auburn folks are thinking how much better opponent they would have been for USC. As a VT Hokie life-long fan, I'm contending VT would have been a better opponent for USC...and in fact, was. The Hokies led USC in the second half of their August game and were driving for a TD that may have ultimately led to a VT upset when the referee called a fantom offensive PI call on us. If not for that, Auburn probably would have been playing OU last night.

[raidbuck]

Well, Cal was a better opponent too, earlier, when they lost 23-17 to USC and had 4 chances from the 10 yard line to win the game, dominating the statistics.

I did want to thank SC for a decent night's sleep. I was able to turn the game off at 11:00 EST confident in the outcome (it was 45-10 then).

I did notice that the HD was very uneven. Some field cameras didn't give a good picture, others were typically great. (Hopefully I could tell the HD cameras from the SD ones). Anyone else notice that? Or are my 57 year old eyes just playing tricks?

Rich N.

[DavoM]

I did notice that the HD was very uneven. Some field cameras didn't give a good picture, others were typically great.

...and what is up w/ the slow mo replay? Shouldn't the slow mo shots be just amazing in HD? Most of the replays were blurry.

Peace,

DM