AVS Forum Archive 2 - Halo 2 (bungie.net and xbox live) update

FourDoor

01-16-05, 12:55 AM

Nice to see Bungie take action. But surfing their forums as well, I ran across this regarding dummying:

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=1662381&postRepeater1-p=3

Yes it is a bannable offense. Read the Xbox Live Terms of Use, and our code of conduct. Any type of cheating, exploiting, is not allowed.

Apparantly this guy from Bungie is saying that the Bungie forum moderators are wrong and not a part of Bungie. I'm confused. I'm not sure what/who to beleive now in regards to dummying. But anyone glitching during matchmaking may have to think this over again.

Tabasco

01-16-05, 01:18 AM

Glad you pointed this thread out. I had read, like the people on that thread, that dummying was not bannable. I'm glad they're doing this. Especially since I could never get the dummying to work :)

bkwong73

01-16-05, 02:05 AM

What exactly is dummying?

BK

Javaman

01-16-05, 02:43 AM

Is it when someone uses two accounts on Xbox live to pump the stats of one of them up?

Automatonjohn

01-16-05, 07:57 AM

No. It's a glitch that allows you to be invisible and have a visible dummy.

NoThru22

01-16-05, 09:26 AM

I don't believe this is legit. I've reported KillerPopTart a bunch of times and nothing's happened. :D

PHSJason

01-16-05, 09:44 AM

I for one am glad to see Bungie taking action. Now everyone needs to make sure and spread the news in the pregame lobby. From what I have seen, most cheaters dont care about the game enough to go to the website.

Jason

Gretsch

01-16-05, 10:03 AM

i would submit that *most* don't care about their actions because mommy and daddy are paying the bill, and/or they're naive about a moderated service. they'll find out. perhaps mommy and daddy will wonder exactly what little johnny is up to on the internet when he comes looking for a different credit card to setup a new xbox live account. in fact, i'd like to see the look on their faces if a nice official statement of cancellation comes in the mail (with details). break the terms of service, and bungie will break you.

Colticus

01-16-05, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by nothru22
I don't believe this is legit. I've reported KillerPopTart a bunch of times and nothing's happened. :D http://www.fordpower.net/forums/images/smilies/uzi.gif

FourDoor

01-16-05, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by squicken
Glad you pointed this thread out. I had read, like the people on that thread, that dummying was not bannable. I'm glad they're doing this. Especially since I could never get the dummying to work :)

Yeah when I first read about the dummying glitch/trick I had read that it was not a bannable offense. But I guess things have changed. :rolleyes:

Rossco04

01-17-05, 04:43 PM

I don't see how it is fun to cheat in these games. What's the point. I don't play online, but reading this stuff makes me wonder if I want to.

FourDoor

01-17-05, 05:05 PM

Don't let the cheaters discourage your from playing online. You'll run into cheats in just about everything and online gaming including Halo2 is not immuned to it. Just join up with team AVS and/or make friends who you know that don't cheat and play with them instead.

tonov12

01-18-05, 12:39 PM

Some guys were doing this to us last night. I was the first time I had seen it. I guess the guy dummies himself...he somehow uses a glitch to make himself invisible. Invisible guy jumps into the Warthog while his visible body remains behind. He runs into the base undetected and grabs the flag which moves all the way to his visible body the flag is instantly back to their base and easily scored. Kinda sucked, hope we don't run into that again.

Dean Martin

01-18-05, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by tonov12
Some guys were doing this to us last night. I was the first time I had seen it. I guess the guy dummies himself...he somehow uses a glitch to make himself invisible. Invisible guy jumps into the Warthog while his visible body remains behind. He runs into the base undetected and grabs the flag which moves all the way to his visible body the flag is instantly back to their base and easily scored. Kinda sucked, hope we don't run into that again.

Wow. That is an unreal glitch!

ArchieGates

01-19-05, 04:39 AM

Is that glitch related to the modem standby one, or completely different? Because the modem standby one is the one I keep hearing about, and that one is able to be detected by Bungie.

mcallister

01-19-05, 06:36 AM

i've been on a couple teams where the guys were trying to cheat. I told them lets just play the game. They tried to cheat anyway. So let's say i get on one of these guys teams again. Am I in jeapordy of being suspended? Although I'm not the culprit?

mcallister

01-19-05, 06:37 AM

I also think they need to do something about player who quit 10 seconds into the game giving your team a disadvantage on team skirmish. Either A: the rest of that team shouldn't lose skill point or B: if you quit you automatically drop 2 skill points.

Gretsch

01-19-05, 10:02 AM

well, if you leave the game because you suspect people are cheating...then you can't report it. the flag object is easy to trace, and it's traceable to see who touched the flag during the exploit. purposeful modem suspends/resumes are easily detectable now. bungie looks closely at the instances in the game that show patterns for taking advantage of exploits, etc. chances are good you won't join many games where your team tries to cheat over and over. stay in the game, find out who is attempting the cheat, and report them at the end of the game. no one will receive a closer look unless people report them.

the other team may report your entire team for cheating, but something sparks interest when a user reports a fellow team member for cheating. hint. ;)

cheating is taken seriously because the integrity of the halo 2 xblive experience needs to remain alive and well for maturation of the game.

Turd Burglar

01-19-05, 12:28 PM

The best I've seen are people who can take 3 shotgun blasts to the head at close range and survive (yet kill me with 3 blasts from a submachine gun). :confused:

mcallister

01-19-05, 05:48 PM

Amen. What is the deal with that turd burglar

Turd Burglar

01-20-05, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by breedingamies
Amen. What is the deal with that turd burglar

I played again last night, and noticed the same thing with some games. People would not die when you hit them with the sword or shotgun at close range, but they hit you with a few blasts of the SMG and you're toast.

I don't think it was any skill differential b/c playing other games, everything seemed fine.

The one thing that's really starting to irk me is people who kill you and decide to throw a bunch of profanities in for good measure. I don't mind some trash talking, and am generally not overly sensitive to cursing, but it gets annoying when you die and you hear a string of expletives. We ended up reporting a couple of those guys last night.

I guess it just makes sense to find a good group of guys to play with and have your own games. Playing with random guys who cheat or are incredibly foul really spoils the mood for playing this great game online.

Dasro_Kast

01-20-05, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Turd Burglar
I played again last night, and noticed the same thing with some games. People would not die when you hit them with the sword or shotgun at close range, but they hit you with a few blasts of the SMG and you're toast.

I don't think it was any skill differential b/c playing other games, everything seemed fine.

The one thing that's really starting to irk me is people who kill you and decide to throw a bunch of profanities in for good measure. I don't mind some trash talking, and am generally not overly sensitive to cursing, but it gets annoying when you die and you hear a string of expletives. We ended up reporting a couple of those guys last night.

I guess it just makes sense to find a good group of guys to play with and have your own games. Playing with random guys who cheat or are incredibly foul really spoils the mood for playing this great game online.

I notice the same thing about people killing me in 3 shots from the SMG...it gets pretty annoying.

And that last paragraph is exactly the place that actually enjoy myself online. I get in a group with people who's playing tendencies (i.e. maturity level) I know, that I know work well with me, and I play there. I thorougly enjoy bungie's feature of allowing you to take your own party into a matchmade game, so that at least you have reliable members on your team.

Turd Burglar

01-20-05, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Dasro_Kast
I notice the same thing about people killing me in 3 shots from the SMG...it gets pretty annoying.

And that last paragraph is exactly the place that actually enjoy myself online. I get in a group with people who's playing tendencies (i.e. maturity level) I know, that I know work well with me, and I play there. I thorougly enjoy bungie's feature of allowing you to take your own party into a matchmade game, so that at least you have reliable members on your team.

Dasro - well if you're interested, my alias on Halo 2 is: CrazyCooterEsq - I play with 3 other guys who are pretty cool, and we'd be open to meeting others.

Jonesy09

01-20-05, 09:09 PM

mduskin

01-21-05, 06:38 AM

If I'm playing w/ a group that wants to do the dummy cheat, first I'll ask that they don't, then if they persist, I'll grenade the Warthog.

Turd Burglar

01-21-05, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by mduskin
If I'm playing w/ a group that wants to do the dummy cheat, first I'll ask that they don't, then if they persist, I'll grenade the Warthog.

What's the dummy cheat? God, do I even want to know?

mrpjc

01-21-05, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by tonov12
...the guy dummies himself...he somehow uses a glitch to make himself invisible. Invisible guy jumps into the Warthog while his visible body remains behind. He runs into the base undetected and grabs the flag which moves all the way to his visible body the flag is instantly back to their base and easily scored. Kinda sucked, hope we don't run into that again.

you have to be an 'elite' to do the dummy cheat. essentially, without teaching everyone how to do it via this post, you can create a dummy image of yourself back at your base.

this dummy will stand and, even shoot and throw grenades (but, not looking directly at you) you sit, while invisible, in the warthog. you can then be transported anywhere on the map.

pat.

RebelScum

01-21-05, 09:13 AM

It may not be just an SMG they're using on you guys. A Magnum/SMG combo can be very deadly, especially with headshots. I can take someone down pretty fast with that. Next time it happens, see if you hear that "pop, pop, pop" of the magnum mixed in with the rattle of the SMG. It's easy to miss.

Automatonjohn

01-21-05, 09:59 AM

Am I the only one that would prefer Bungie to just fix the glitches rather than attempt to catch the individuals who exploit them?

In my opinion, the modem standby stuff is in a different league than the various glitches. The dummying trick is fairly easy to defend against once you know about it.

Gretsch

01-21-05, 10:26 AM

keep in mind that the game experience may change online. there are many factors. one in particular is your connection. make sure that you don't have other unnecessary traffic through your router while you're playing. this may include shareware programs, spyware, other family members using bandwidth while you're playing, etc. (do not use a wireless setup)

you can turn on your xbox w/o a disc in it and get general data about your connection through the xbox. go to Xbox Live > network setup > connect. press Y when it's done. is it drastically different from info you receive through your pc via www.dslreports.com/stest?

so, scan for spyware and turn off any programs taking up bandwidth. tell your room mate to quit downloading paris hilton videos while you're trying to capture the flag, and do not use a wireless connection. ;)
some people prefer to connect directly from the modem to the xbox instead of using a router.
power cycle your cable modem. every so often do a total power down of your cable modem and/or router. um, update your router firmware.

if you're still getting killed too fast, make sure you're the first person to find an overshield. :)

Turd Burglar

01-21-05, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by RebelScum
It may not be just an SMG they're using on you guys. A Magnum/SMG combo can be very deadly, especially with headshots. I can take someone down pretty fast with that. Next time it happens, see if you hear that "pop, pop, pop" of the magnum mixed in with the rattle of the SMG. It's easy to miss.

Hey Rebel - I'm actually in Ballston.

I'm pretty sure it was just pure SMG, but I'll look for it next time. Just out of curiousity, if you are dual-wielding a SMG and a Magnum, does your aim stay steady (like does the Magnum keep the target focused instead of the SMG which pulls up)?

Martin Rendall

01-21-05, 02:02 PM

A single SMG will still pull up very slightly (much less than dual wielded SMGs). But the magnum needs headshots to kill quickly, so they are very complimentary.

Martin.

RebelScum

01-21-05, 02:53 PM

Woah, cool, TB! I'm just down the street (literally) at Seven Corners! Send me a Friend request. We should play sometime; hopefully we'd have a good connection, since we're so close! My GamerTag is RebelScm . What's yours?

If dual-wielding the Magnum and SMG, yes, the aim will drift upwards still. You have to continually adjust.

FourDoor

01-21-05, 02:57 PM

I've posted it before in the modded xbox topic a couple pages down now. There is no aimbot or automatic kill cheat on XBOX Live. The only true cheats being used on xbox live are the modem standby and the dummying cheats (aside from grabbing weapons and flags through walls which Bungie still has claimed as not a bannable offense).

If you're shooting at someone and they don't die, it's most likely due to lag unfortunately. :(

RevGChild

01-21-05, 03:14 PM

If you're shooting at someone and they don't die, it's most likely due to lag unfortunately.

Not necessarily true. Ask Colt about his head to head match that he lost (the only one he lost).

A Magnum/SMG combo can be very deadly, especially with headshots.

You can tell if you died by this combo through the sound of the guns or how your body falls. If your body flips up like it got picked off the ground then you got a headshot from a magnum. I use this combo, along with dual magnums and you can kill an enemy in less then 2 seconds (with dual magnums less then a second almost). Of course this depends on skill level.

Try it on a dummy guy in a custom match.

RevG

Turd Burglar

01-21-05, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by RebelScum
Woah, cool, TB! I'm just down the street (literally) at Seven Corners! Send me a Friend request. We should play sometime; hopefully we'd have a good connection, since we're so close! My GamerTag is RebelScm . What's yours?

If dual-wielding the Magnum and SMG, yes, the aim will drift upwards still. You have to continually adjust.

Hey RebelScum, I'll send you a friend request - my gamertag is: CrazyCooterEsq

kurob

01-21-05, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by metalaaron
do not use a wireless setup)
I don't think this is the best advice as a blanket statement. The bandwidth of the access point-bridge connection is larger (often much larger in the case of 802.11g equipment) than the pipe the cable modem is providing. A wireless solution, on it's own, doesn't limit the throughput available to you or contribute to lag. I use wireless exclusively (router is upstairs...Xbox downstairs) and I don't experience lag.

Colticus

01-21-05, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by RevGChild
Not necessarily true. Ask Colt about his head to head match that he lost (the only one he lost).

RevG

No joke. :mad:

FourDoor

01-21-05, 06:31 PM

Yeah I heard pop's 1vs1 story. That sounded pretty fishy what the other guy was doing. But I have checked all the usual underground places in regards to halo2 and there is no public hack out there right now that does auto aiming/invincibility, etc that you can use on Live. The reason behind no "hacks" being used on Halo2 on Live at the moment is due to the fact that the Live system always refreshes/clears the cached files that it uses for maps. Since everything has to be legitamate for you to even to log on live with Halo2, the only available files for modification are the temporary cache files. However, Bungie had smartened up from the get go and forces the Live system to clear out the cache files before each matchmaking.

The newest "cheat/glitch" ones I've read about are the variations on the standby where they unplug the network connection temporarily to create moving clones of themselves while playing on live. This doesn't produce the normal blue screen glitch and everything seams normal to everyone else except theres an invisible cloned guy running around the map. Also, in team training, it appears that some other lame people have figured out how to actually boot people from the games. So as it stands, the only cheats/glitches are either hardware based (standby) or glitches within the game/live itself.

Having said all that, this doesn't rule out the possibility of others figuring out other ways to hack the system. :mad: I'm just hoping that the new maps/downloadable content will address all of these issues and patch them.

Gretsch

01-21-05, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by kurob
I don't think this is the best advice as a blanket statement. The bandwidth of the access point-bridge connection is larger (often much larger in the case of 802.11g equipment) than the pipe the cable modem is providing. A wireless solution, on it's own, doesn't limit the throughput available to you or contribute to lag. I use wireless exclusively (router is upstairs...Xbox downstairs) and I don't experience lag.

aren't all statements on forums blanket statements? ;) most readers realize this, but you make a good point - some don't. i think it's worth a try to switch to cat instead of wireless if you're experiencing lag w/ wireless. FWIW - two of my friends used to use wireless xblive, and now they don't. their wireless performance was inconsistent. there is no end-all statement, and i wasn't blaming wireless exclusively as a cause of everyone's lag. just standard cat as an alternative (better IMHO) solution. my connection has more bandwidth and reliability via cat cable than via wireless. YMMV. :cool:

sleeks

01-24-05, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by metalaaron
aren't all statements on forums blanket statements? ;) most readers realize this, but you make a good point - some don't. i think it's worth a try to switch to cat instead of wireless if you're experiencing lag w/ wireless. FWIW - two of my friends used to use wireless xblive, and now they don't. their wireless performance was inconsistent. there is no end-all statement, and i wasn't blaming wireless exclusively as a cause of everyone's lag. just standard cat as an alternative (better IMHO) solution. my connection has more bandwidth and reliability via cat cable than via wireless. YMMV. :cool:

I have wireless, actually the dreaded linksys, but I have no lag issues. Go to the xbox site and make sure your wireless router is setup properly. There are some settings that need to be setup on your router to ensure you get the most out of xbox live.

I can have two laptops, a desktop, and the xbox on at the same time without any issues.

Good luck

rmcgirr83

01-25-05, 08:34 AM

Xbox wirelessly, three desktops, laptop wirelessly all going the same time no issues unless hosting due to UL speed.

If the phone rings and is answered (2.4 ghz) I'll lose the connection.

So I don't answer the phone when playing. :D

BillJr106

01-25-05, 03:12 PM

all that money spent...and simply answering the phone ruins your good time....sounds like a poor setup to me...

rmcgirr83

01-25-05, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by BillJr106
....sounds like a poor setup to me...

To you I'm sure it does...to me it does the job as I only play at night and generally when I don't get phone calls.

I'm just stating that I have found there to be issues with using a wireless setup. I've lost my internet connection when answering the phone...it comes right back (~15 secs) after hang up.

YMMV. ;)