JVC 34WP84 vs. Sony XBR960?

[coolrelax]

Which one is the better value, i've seen the jvc for about $1300 and the sony for almost $2000, is there a major diffrence as far as picture quality? No stores carry either in my area so i'm considering ordering online.

[ccallana]

When I was shopping for mine last year, I compared the JVC with the previous Sony 910 - to my personal opinion, the JVC looked better :)

Most people here will tell you the Sony is better (even if they've never seen it)

I love my JVC, don't ever regret my purchase.

[RandyWalters]

Originally posted by coolrelax
Which one is the better value, i've seen the jvc for about $1300 and the sony for almost $2000, is there a major diffrence as far as picture quality? No stores carry either in my area so i'm considering ordering online.

The XBR960 has the added benefit of a built-in ATSC tuner and 2-year warranty that the JVC (and all others) lack, but that doesn't make it worth $700 extra even if it does allegedly have better PQ (which could be debatable as i don't think anyone has compared them together). I have yet to see a negative post about a JVC HD-tube TV but there are plenty of posts about XBR960 problems (and all other Sony models for that matter).

If i were to buy a 34" widescreen i'd choose the JVC no question :)

[michaelwalsh]

Put me down as a big JVC fan too. I have been for the past 15-16 years as I come to replace the vintage 27" JVC we've had all this time (and that still works beautifully) with an AV-34WP84.

I was very dissapointed in the absence of local availablilty and sales support, and this was probably the most expensive thing I've bought (over the web) without being able to see it, touch it, bond with it, first. I can't help thinking how much more money JVC shareholders could realize if the company would only make it easier to buy their stuff!

I continue to be very pleased with the picture quality except for when the signal is already fizzy with noise (damn cable company! GRRR!) - this seems to be accentuated over the component imputs. The solution, simply change over to RF, which softens the picture somewhat.

Without doubt the biggest selling point for me, not being crazy about silver components, was the near black framing around the picture screen.

If you'd care to see my setup, I've got a couple of pictures and a description of what's going on in the Direct View Theaters area of the Members Photo Gallery

[coolrelax]

Thanks for the info, im thinkin about makin the purchase, i have to think overnight about it. it's a closeout item so I have to decide soon. It will come to less than $1500 shipped new in box.

[JoeKing]

imo, while looking at Scooby Doo 2 on a split signal on DVD the JVC looked the best hands down when compared to all of the other HD sets at Frys(including the 960). The image looked super solid and had a computer monitor feel to it that the super fine dot pitch Sonys couldn't match. I chose the 960 tho because I am too familiar with the 960 service menu and I knew how to tweak the 960 to look much better than it does out of the box.

Also, one thing I do to compare the actual clarity of TVs is to compare the on screen menus. The JVC menu looked out of focus compared to the Sony. I think that I would have looked at the JVC harder if I knew how flexible the adjustments were in the service menu for that set. I would love to see what the JVC looks like when hooked up to good equipment and with good cables!

[Dearth]

Don't fall into the "I hear so many Sony problems on this site" trap. You hear more Sony problems because more of us bought Sony CRTs because they are the best on the market ;)

I don't hear any complaints about Advent or Daewoo TVs on here I think they must be the best, maybe look for one of them *grin*

[michaelwalsh]

How do you get into the service menus on the JVC?

[markes]

I realize that a retail showroom has too many variables to come to an accurate and conclusive comparison of CRTs. However, for what it's worth,... I did see a Sony 34" XBR960 next to the JVC AV34WP84 in November of last year. In my view, the JVC had a slight edge in detail, while the Sony had the edge in richness of color. For me, the difference was negligible. It came down to saving 600 dollars with the JVC. I certainly had to overcome the built-in prejudice I had in favor of Sonys. But, now 2 1/2 months after my purchase...I am delighted with my decision.


Mark

[cmartyn]

The XBR 960, almost every time I have seen this TV set up it has been displaying a streched analog signal and people walk right by it. At my local tweeters they have a nice setup there.. the CRT TV's are in a dimly lit area of the store and it is quite easy to see the superiority of the 960's picture above all other sets in the store. I didnt buy it because I wanted a 4X3 TV but I can see what the fascination with it is. Dont beleive all the crap you hear about this TV being over rated. It is better, slightly perhaps to some, but it is not equalled by lesser sets. DVD's look awesome on it too. 3D you can fall into.

[coolrelax]

I think im gonna go with the jvc, I doubt the Sony advantage is worth an extra $700 . I'm sure the JVC is better than the current toshiba's and panasonic and they cost about the same. Plus my budget price was about $1400.

[danjros]

where are you purchasing from, I cant find any in stock

[michaelwalsh]

Bought my JVC online from etronics.com

[Focuser]

Originally posted by coolrelax
Which one is the better value, i've seen the jvc for about $1300 and the sony for almost $2000, is there a major diffrence as far as picture quality? No stores carry either in my area so i'm considering ordering online.

I bought this set (JVC) after doing a lot of comparison shopping. I live in a fairly large metropolitan area, where you can shop in a lot of electronic outlets, besides CC or BB. I still have two other JVC's in the house, a 36", and a 32", for eight years, with absolutely no problems.
I have had this set for 10 months now, I seriously doubt you will find anything better than this set as far as picture quality. As far as the warranty, I used a credit card that doubles the warranty for the purchase, so I wound up with two years. You won't regret the purchase, I never looked back.

[Dearth]

Originally posted by coolrelax
I think im gonna go with the jvc, I doubt the Sony advantage is worth an extra $700 . I'm sure the JVC is better than the current toshiba's and panasonic and they cost about the same. Plus my budget price was about $1400.

Gosh you seem so sure of yourself without having looked at the TVs in question. Isn't it too bad you weren't this sure about a Daewoo or somthing you could have beat your target price...

Even the weakest Sony the HS420 is better, you should have compromised and gotten the 34XS955.

I don't hate the JVC, I rate is about equal to the Toshiba in the 34 inch size but they all take a back seat to the three Sonys.

[pepco]

I bought my set over a year ago. No problems with set at all. Set still gives me that wow feeling. Awesome PQ Got my set from consumer-direct.com
Can you say D-ILA TV, another great JVC set

[triumph66]

I'm new to HDTV and am cross-shopping these two TV's right now and was wondering if someone could tell me what else I'm going to have to purchase for the JVC that the Sony might already have standard like the ATSC tuner?

Now for something really noob...what does ATSC stand for?

If I went with the JVC would I need a tuner, a decoder, etc and how much more am I looking to spend on that?

[ccallana]

You only need a tuner if you are trying to pick up signals Over The Air (OTA). If you have cable or sat - your box handles it for you.

For ATSC I recommend Google :) (I'd have to look it up too, so you might as well) ;)

[markes]

I have had both digital cable and Dish satellite. The only additional necessarry purchases after buying the JVC AV 34WP84 were component cables (Acoustic Research for $15) and a progressive scan DVD player (JVC 4N12 $60). (I chose to upgrade my external audio system, but that was a preference, not in my view, a necessity. Did that for about 200 bucks, receiver and cables.).
I switched from cable to satellite because my local cable provider does not offer HDTV. Both cable and satellite furnished the equipment at no charge. I am VERY pleased with
the JVC PQ on both DVD's at 480p and the 5 1080i high definition network offerings.
I did prefer Charter's digital video signals to that of Dish Network...but the high def is well worth the minor quality difference.

Mark

[triumph66]

So let's say I live in an apartment that is pre-wired for free basic Time Warner cable because it is included in the rent. I'm currently paying extra for a digital cable box which gives me access to channels above 100 including movie channels(HBO, Encore, etc.) and Speed and such.

If I were to go with the Sony could I get rid of my digital cable box because the built in tuner will be able to find all of those other channels for me for free including the HD one's? If so, I think it would be worth paying the extra money for the XBR.

[ccallana]

Only if they aren't encrypted :) Depends on how TW is sending them out.

I would guess its not really "for free" - but you could always try :)

[RandyWalters]

Originally posted by triumph66
So let's say I live in an apartment that is pre-wired for free basic Time Warner cable because it is included in the rent. I'm currently paying extra for a digital cable box which gives me access to channels above 100 including movie channels(HBO, Encore, etc.) and Speed and such.

If I were to go with the Sony could I get rid of my digital cable box because the built in tuner will be able to find all of those other channels for me for free including the HD one's? If so, I think it would be worth paying the extra money for the XBR.

Yyou should be able to recieve all the analog tier channels (2-99) but to get the digital tier (ch 100 and higher) you'd need a CableCard from your cable company. Apparently there are lots of problems getting a CableCard to work with various TVs but usually it's a problem at the cable company's end. Also, i don't believe you can utilize VOD or PPV etc with a CableCard. So you can do away with the digital cable box, but you still have to pay the cable company for the CableCard.

[triumph66]

Ok...thanks for the feedback you two.

So no matter what it looks like I'll have to get the HD box from Time Warner regardless of which tv I go with.

I keep thinking that the extra $400 is worth it for the XBR but the geometry issues have me at a stand still. No one in the area has the JVC for me to go look at so if I order it would have to be online and I'm a bit weary about that should I have to deal with a return.

Decisions, decisions...

[Dearth]

Originally posted by triumph66

I keep thinking that the extra $400 is worth it for the XBR but the geometry issues have me at a stand still.

Decisions, decisions...

What do you mean by "geometry issues"? All CRTs will have some issues but most can be made satisfactory thru service menu tweaks. Geometry and convergance are the only things lacking in CRTs (if you don't count bulk) :)

And the extra money is worth it for the XBR especially if you sit fairly close. The more and more HD programming I watch I keep finding my couch creepling closer to my TV... it's only about 5.5 feet away in the first place but gosh basketball in HD tonight can't wait ;)

You can put your face right up to my xbr910 looking for scanlines.

[Mountaineer]

I purchased the JVC AV-34WP84 last March and it is a terrific set. I also own a 20" JVC flatscreen. IMO JVC, because they can't market their way out of a paper bag, is the great secret in quality video. This is an engineering company that may not understand marketing or customer service, but boy they know how to build stuff and make it work.

I have my VOOM satellite box set to 720P going in to the DVI port. I am feeding HD from my new cable STB through component. The PQ is, in a word, superb. The better the signal, the better the image.

Friends who have more expensive sets, e.g., DLP RPTVs, plasmas, etc. come over to my house and say "Why doesn't MY set look like that?"

I have done little to adjust my set. The black levels are excellent, the contrast is great.

Since I'm getting HD through STBs, I don't much care about an ATSC tuner and wouldn't pay extra for one.

The JVC is a keeper and I heartily endorse it.

[triumph66]

Thanks a lot Mountaineer. Now you're making my decision that much more difficult. :p

You're dead on about the marketing. Crap.

Their products are indeed quality which is why I'm even considering them. My mother has a 10 year old JVC tube that works flawlessly to this day and she hasn't had to have anyone come look at it in that time. My father on the other hand has always liked Sony's so I've had my fair share of experience with both.

I'm sure I won't be disappointed with either. Perhaps I should just flip a coin?

[Dearth]

Originally posted by Mountaineer

I have my VOOM satellite box set to 720P going in to the DVI port. I am feeding HD from my new cable STB through component. The PQ is, in a word, superb. The better the signal, the better the image.

Friends who have more expensive sets, e.g., DLP RPTVs, plasmas, etc. come over to my house and say "Why doesn't MY set look like that?"


First I'm not very familiar with VOOM but isn't most of the source material 1080i? If so why set the output to 720p? Your TV won't display that natively so why convert 1080i to 720p then back to 1080i?

Second I'm not surprised by your friends, DLP and Plasma is not the best PQ, CRT is. If another friend had the sony XBR CRT they'd be even more impressed ;)

[michaelwalsh]

Truimph66, are you a car of bike owner? For me it's cars...a couple of (classic) Minis and a MGB.

[triumph66]

Originally posted by michaelwalsh
Truimph66, are you a car of bike owner? For me it's cars...a couple of (classic) Minis and a MGB.

michael,

At this time I have an 03 S2000 roadster and a Triumph Speed 4.

I've always loved the old classics and would love to have an original euro Mini.

[subysouth]

Originally posted by Dearth
Gosh you seem so sure of yourself without having looked at the TVs in question. Isn't it too bad you weren't this sure about a Daewoo or somthing you could have beat your target price...

Even the weakest Sony the HS420 is better, you should have compromised and gotten the 34XS955.

I don't hate the JVC, I rate is about equal to the Toshiba in the 34 inch size but they all take a back seat to the three Sonys.

Dearth there you go beating that Sony is untouchable drum again. While the Super FIne Pitch tubes are the finest resolution available the 420 uses the old tube which using Sony's old numbers lags the average non-Sony 34" by a wide margin, just in resolution, disregarding other points. The 420 is not better than any other large manufacturers 34" set IMO by any measurable barometer, on the contrary it lags the pack.

Sony leapfrogged the pack with the SFP tubes, they had been well behind, perhaps anticipating CRTs death a little early and thinking better of it with the R&D on the SFP tubes.

ss

[subysouth]

Originally posted by triumph66
So no matter what it looks like I'll have to get the HD box from Time Warner regardless of which tv I go with.

No if the CableCard is fully supported you wont need an HD box either with the XBR. The XBR has OTA HD and QAM tuners(cable HD and SD) and a CableCard slot for the cable company to gate what channels you receive. So unless I am missing something no HD cable box is needed either.

ss

[coolrelax]

I've spent a whole week debating on the jvc then i emailed the salesperson and he claims that the jvc dosen't stretch the picture correctly and recomended me the toshiba 34hfx for almost the same price. How does it really compare to the jvc. My current tv is a sony 27 in KV27V55 which still had a good picture but its time for an upgrade after 9 years.

[ccallana]

The JVC stretch modes work great. The sales guy is just trying to unload the Toshiba on you :)

Truth be told, they are all good TVs and you will probably be happy with any of them.

[Mountaineer]

Agree with ccalana, the various scaling modes on the JVC work quite well IMO.

Must be a SPIF this month on the Toshiba, or an overstock or some-such.

[michaelwalsh]

Agree with both the above. I don't know if I said this already on this thread, but my particular favorite for watching almost everything except DVD's in the JVC is the Panorama mode.

[Mountaineer]

Originally posted by Dearth
First I'm not very familiar with VOOM but isn't most of the source material 1080i? If so why set the output to 720p? Your TV won't display that natively so why convert 1080i to 720p then back to 1080i?

Second I'm not surprised by your friends, DLP and Plasma is not the best PQ, CRT is. If another friend had the sony XBR CRT they'd be even more impressed ;)

Fox and ABC both come OTA at 720P.

The VOOM source is 1080i, but I have never noticed any scaling artifacts.

Everything goes through the Motorola STB, so I figured set it to the highest-resolution source.

The JVC DOES display native 720P, it has 1500 lines of resolution for interlaced signals.

[Dearth]

Originally posted by Mountaineer

The JVC DOES display native 720P, it has 1500 lines of resolution for interlaced signals.

You are quickly losing credibility. The JVC will convert 720p to display but it won't pass it natively, no consumer TV sized CRTs do.

And 1500 lines of resolution is incorrect, it can upconvert non-hd to 1500i which doesn't look too bad but the physical set cannot display anywhere near 1500 lines.

[ccallana]

How many lines it actually has is up for debate - but I'm not convinced its not a 720 something display. based on the technology reviews that I have read of the 1500i (or 1080i) feature, its quite possible that it is a line doubled 720 signal that is getting displayed.

Granted, its not real 720p, but its not 1080i either.... also, its not that it "can" upconvert, it does - you can't turn it off. You can show "demo" mode, which shows half the screen converted and the other half not, but you can't turn it off completely...

[RandyWalters]

Originally posted by ccallana
You can show "demo" mode, which shows half the screen converted and the other half not, but you can't turn it off completely...

Interesting - how does the unconverted half look compared to the good half?

[ccallana]

Depends on the material, but typically uncoverted looks very soft, like slightly out of focus. The upconverted is cleaner.

If I ever get my hd pvr I'll freeze a frame and take a picture ;)

[subysouth]

This 1500i is the most confusing feature I have heard of recently. That scanning rate(if its a line rate) falls outside the standard scanning frequencies provided(unlike the Sony DRC modes) and actually equals or exceeds the necessary frequency to support 720p. Does anyone have a description from JVC explaining exactly what 1500i is?

ss

[ccallana]

I have an explaination from a JVC Europe website - but the link is now dead. I have it in PDF, but can't cut-n-paste that in here - and its an 8MB pdf file, so can't really up load it. Its a very interesting technology - I'll see if I can get it posted somehow.

[subysouth]

Originally posted by ccallana
I have an explaination from a JVC Europe website - but the link is now dead. I have it in PDF, but can't cut-n-paste that in here - and its an 8MB pdf file, so can't really up load it. Its a very interesting technology - I'll see if I can get it posted somehow.

So pdfs allow cut-n-paste some dont correct?

Did you pick the pdf up online? Can you link the site?

ss

[ccallana]

Ok, so here it is - OCR'd and fixed up. Any typos are mine. Full credit goes to JVC for this information, it was originally found here: http://www.jvc-europe.com/JvcCons/Press/Bel/dist.html but that link is now dead. I have the PDF if you are interested (its over 8MB though).

Its specific to PAL frequencies and resolutions, but it does the same thing with NTSC. Also keep in mind this is at least a year or 2 old - so any claims and products may be out of date. Images to follow in other posts.

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JVC (Victor Company of Japan. Ltd.), a leading innovator in the field of audiovisual technology is proud to introduce D.I.S.T., or Digital Image Scaling Technology. This remarkable new technology employs interpolation to reproduce video signals from a wide range of sources to achieve high resolution, high quality and enhanced detail, making it especially suitable for TV viewing on large-screen displays. In recent years consumer demand has grown globally for the development of signal processing technology that can complement HD grade broadcasting and the availability of high-precision display devices such as PDPs that reproduce exquisite and highly detailed images. To satisfy this demand, JVC has developed D.I.S.T. (1250i/75Hz) to produce exceptional picture quality in the PAL format. At present, there are two technologies available for improving picture quality in the PAL format. The first is frame rate conversion (100Hz technology): while this eliminates flicker, it does not produce a high—resolution picture. Conversely, 50Hz interpolation technology provides a high-resolution picture but does not reduce flicker. JVC’s breakthrough technology, however, satisfies both demands: D.I.S.T (1250i/75Hz) realizes a flicker-free, high-resolution picture. It can accept virtually all currently used video signal formats, reproducing them with high resolution and improved detail that is very clear to the viewer. The signal path of D.I.S.T. from input to output can be divided into 5 components: (1) Interlace-Progressive <I-P> Converter; (2) Formatter;
(3) Enhancer LSI; (4) Driver; and (5) Display Device. The first two, the I-P Converter and Formatter, represent the core of D.I.S.T.’s high-resolution interpolation technology. The third, fourth and fifth components, the Super DigiPure Technology Enhancer, Wide-Range CRT Driver, and Fine Pitch CRT support D.I.S.T. to facilitate the creation of even higher picture quality.

D.I.S.T. is also an extremely versatile technology with full adaptability: it can handle various sources, interlaced and progressive signals. and both CRT and PDP displays. In conclusion, D.I.ST. is a very well balanced technology that excels in all respects and offers great potential for the future. (See Fig. 1and 2)

Core of D.I.S.T. 1: I-P Converter

D.I.S.T. first converts the interlaced PAL signal into a progressive signal.

In conjunction with I-P conversion, the converter performs three-dimensional interpolation in order to use as much information as possible contained within the effective scanning lines. In the time domain, interpolation is carried out using pixel information from two fields, those that come before and after the current field; this makes ever subtle movement look more natural. Furthermore, additional interpolation is performed using diagonal data extracted from pixel information in 4 lines (2 above and 2 below) in the same field. As a result, it has become possible to generate high-resolution information when converting the signal to 1250i to produce a natural picture with reduced jaggies.
Data density is thus doubled to create a natural picture that is free from the roughness and line flicker found with conventional interlaced signals. See Fig. 3

Core of D.I.S.T. 2: Formatter

In this step, the progressive signal put out by the I-P Convener is subject to further interpolation by the Formatter, which performs (1)precise pixel interpolation and (2) frame rate change.
Precise pixel interpolation doubles the number of scanning lines from 625p to 1250i for high vertical resolution. The Formatter extracts 3 new 75Hz pictures from two 50Hz pictures. Using a wide range of pixel information extracted from two fields (before and after the current field), a new frame is generated. This method of frame rate conversion is well suited for handling moving images, thus creates an appearance of smooth movement for the viewer.
Changing the frame rate from 50Hz to 75Hz reduces field flicker. This exploits the advantages gained by conversion to a progressive signal, and so diagonal jaggies virtually disappear and produce a refined high-resolution picture that boasts superior detail and smooth diagonal lines. See Fig. 4

Furthermore, D.I.S.T. raises horizontal frequency during I-P conversion and formatting. Normally, the horizontal frequency of a terrestrial 625i/50Hz signal is approximately 15 kHz and about 31 kHz for 625i/100Hz. But with D.I.S.T. l250i/75Hz, the horizontal frequency reaches 45 kHz. This represents a significant increase in the amount of information delivered per unit of time, resulting in a smooth picture with a very stable appearance.

Up to this point, the aforementioned picture improvement technologies represent the core characteristics of D.I.S.T. However, between this point in the signal path and the final display of high-resolution pictures, other supporting technologies are employed to further improve picture quality, drawing on the extensive experience of JVC engineers to ensure the reproduction of images offering the highest levels resolution.

Supporting component 1: Enhancer LSI - Super DigiPure

The signal that has been processed by the I-P converter and formatter is next treated with the Enhancer LSI, also known as Super DigiPure technology, to boost both colors and contours.
Originally, DigiPure was a 625i/l00Hz picture improvement technology but it has beer upgraded to Super DigiPure to achieve 1250i/75Hz picture resolution.

Two types of signal processing are employed for enhancement: (1) in-band shoot processing that increases the luminance transient slope and determines how vivid the picture is; (2) supplementary shoot-less processing of high frequencies that are absent in the original signal to sharpen the edges of low-contrast or obscure portions of an image. In addition to vertical and horizontal compensation, Super DigiPure also employs a new algorithm for detecting movement and enabling separate vertical, horizontal and diagonal controls. This results in a natural, well-modulated picture with vivid, sharp contours and solid presence. With the fine detail afforded by the high-resolution picture, the viewer can clearly make out even small lettering as well as the sort of rapid motion that is common in sports programmes. See Fig. 5

Supporting component 2: Wide-Range CRT Driver

After being processed by the Enhancer LSI, the picture is finally displayed on an appropriate display device with a suitable driver to bring out the best characteristics of the high-resolution picture. In this situation, a 30MHz Wide-Range CRT Driver was adopted to optimize picture performance. This driver is designed for wide-band signals such as progressive DVD to ensure faithful reproduction of the digital signal for high-quality pictures without blur or smear.

Supporting component 3: Fine Pitch CRT

To showcase all the advantages that D.I.S.T. has to offer, it is possible to display this high-resolution picture which has 1250 scanning lines, double the usual number through the use of a Fine Pitch CRT with a centre shadow mask pitch of 0.59mm. Not only does this CRT offer excellent focusing characteristics, but approximately 1049 pixels make it the highest pitch of any consumer TV available.
One of the advantages of D.I.S.T. is that it can convert formats to cope with any display device, thus the technology can be applied to other display devices such as PDP. If a PDP is used, a PDP driver is adopted to compensate for black level adjustment while display fidelity is enhanced with color filters and a front filter to ensure that purer colors are reproduced. Signal processing improves both dynamic range and contrast, and the optimum picture can be obtained whether the panel resolution is XGA or VGA.

Advantages of D.I.S.T.

Compared with current 100Hz technology, the advantages of D.I.S.T. mean that:

=Diagonal Lines are smooth and free from jaggies since the number of scanning lines has been increased to 1250i;
=There is no field flicker, since the Formatter raises the frame rare to 75Hz;
=There is no line flicker, thanks to the I-P conversion to a progressive signal;
=Scenes with movement are also smooth, thanks to both I-P conversion and the formatting process;
=Vivid, sharp contours and solid presence are made possible by the support of additional technologies such as the Enhancer LSI (Super DigiPure) while faithful reproduction without blur or smear is ensured by the Wide-Range CRT Driver;
=The refined signal displayed on an appropriate device such as a CRT or PDP will provide unprecedented picture quality and the highest levels or resolution;
=Global compatibility can be enjoyed with a maximum 1500i/60Hz display for NTSC DVD or VCR playback on PAL, as well as other versatile signal sources including PAL, NTSC, DVD or D-VHS.

Thanks to the aforementioned advantages, the remarkable compatibility of D.I.S.T. makes it the ideal solution for today’s discerning picture quality requirements. What’s more, the advanced technologies it incorporates help JVC to accomplish its primary goal to provide customers with rich and rewarding viewing experience every time they turn on the TV.

D.I.S.T 1250i/75Hz for PAL is a breakthrough picture improvement technology and JVC is proud to present it to the European market. D.I.S.T. technology will be equipped on the HV-32D25, our latest TV model, which will be released this coming fall.

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[Dearth]

That actually sounds pretty nice, it is too bad they haven't updated the set since 2002. When it came out I guess that was the finest pitch available.

[subysouth]

OK, several things here.

First, awesome find and info. I love the numbers especially center pitch, which can tell us a lot about the theoretical inherent resolution of the set.

Second I am a bit confused about how this would help a PDP with a fixed resolution and the mention of a 30mHz crt driver leaves me wondering if they dont upsample then downsample back to whatever sets capabilities are. Meaning theyre scaling info deficient signals to improve quality, but still outputting against a fixed set of or single display output(s.)

ss

[Mountaineer]

ccallana, thanks for the info and rescuing my "credibility", such as it is...

[crtmaniac]

CNET and Consumer Reports both ranked the XBR960 the best. CNET even went ahead and called it a "Bench Mark" TV. FYI

[Dearth]

Consumer Reports is pretty bad for consumer electronics, they are just too easily impressed. Every damn thing get rated tops for most things, they just aren't very discerning.

But yes the SuperFine pitch Sony CRTs are widely held as the benchmark for consumer CRTs.

[RandyWalters]

Originally posted by Dearth
But yes the SuperFine pitch Sony CRTs are widely held as the benchmark for consumer CRTs.

The problem with this is that aside from the XS955 series, no other tube TV is even in the same league as the XBR960. The JVC and Panny and Toshiba and even the Sony HS420 are all a step down from the two SFP Sonys.

So on one level you have the XBR960 and XS955, then there's everything else.

[subysouth]

ccallana, I finally had time to thoroughly read this. What specific set is this info above referring to?

Some of the info seems generic but some of it is very specific.

The lines that are causing me to pause are these two:

To showcase all the advantages that D.I.S.T. has to offer, it is possible to display this high-resolution picture which has 1250 scanning lines, double the usual number through the use of a Fine Pitch CRT with a centre shadow mask pitch of 0.59mm. Not only does this CRT offer excellent focusing characteristics, but approximately 1049 pixels make it the highest pitch of any consumer TV available.

Assuming it could maintain that pitch the entire screen height, the screen would need to be 29inches tall or a 16:9 screen 59" diagonally to resolve those lines without overlap.

Obviously this isnt an extant CRT.

Then the second line mentions 1049 pixels, a viable horizontal figure for a current 34" CRT and a very speific number. But it doesnt say horizontal or vertical pixels or what size set its referring to.

Any more info?

TIA
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[ccallana]

Read the last line - sounds like a 32" model was the first one to carry the DIST label.

Otherwise I have no other information - this is all I found after many hours of searching. JVC themselves will give *no* information - I've tried email and phone and they are clueless and/or just don't want to give out info.

[subysouth]

Originally posted by ccallana
Read the last line - sounds like a 32" model was the first one to carry the DIST label.

Otherwise I have no other information - this is all I found after many hours of searching. JVC themselves will give *no* information - I've tried email and phone and they are clueless and/or just don't want to give out info.

Which is a 32" 16:9 Euro tv which translates to a 30" US 16:9 set with a viewable area of 26.1" x 14.7" and I'm gonna guess theyre talking about 1049 horizontal pixels which comes out about correct for a .59mm center pitch. 1049(actual)/1124(exact off center pich) = 93.3%. Thats about consistent with pixel count drop(pixel size increase) at the perimeter of the screen.

Now using those numbers we could guesstimate the actual horizontal resolution of the 34" JVC set(assuming pitch is nearly identical.) It would be 1274 x .933 = 1189 horizontal pixels.

Well within the realm of reason and a number to juxtapose against the Sony SFP 34" tube at 1400 horizontal.

And all the more reason IMO they should be trying a 720p NR CRT instead of 1080i or worse yet 1500i.

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