Wow! New Dell 24" FP

[Tom3]

Capable of true 1080p, fast response for gamers...sounds really nice!


Dell Broadens Flat Panel Display Portfolio with New, 24-Inch Wide-Screen Monitor



ROUND ROCK, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 14, 2005--Dell (NASDAQ:DELL), the worldwide leader in LCD monitor shipments(a), is giving customers an expanded multimedia experience with the introduction of its largest and most fully-featured flat panel display.

The UltraSharp(TM) 2405FPW will be on sale for $1,199 in the Americas and Europe on March 1, 2005. The wide-screen monitor is ideal for graphics professionals, computing enthusiasts and gamers. The native resolution of 1920x1200(b) helps ensure detailed images are crisp and clear and typical response times of 12ms(c) mean fast-moving content is displayed with minimal distortion.

The 24-inch display makes it easier and more affordable for customers to multitask by viewing spreadsheets and blueprints in their full sizes and positioning multiple applications or Web pages next to each other without losing content. It also reduces the need to scroll within large documents and toggle between application windows.

The 2405FPW includes a 9-in-1 memory card reader on the side of the panel for a convenient way to download files and photos. Four USB 2.0 ports make it easy to attach devices such as keyboards, secondary hard drives and printers without having to crawl under a desk to search for inputs on a computer system.

With S-Video, composite and component inputs, the 2405FPW can be hooked up to a video camera, gaming console, DVD player or cable box. Picture-in-picture (PIP) and picture-by-picture (PBP) modes(d), which can be enabled with the touch of a button, allow users to watch content from a video input and view their PC simultaneously, on a single display.

The 2405FPW features a height-adjustable stand, allowing the panel to swivel, tilt and pivot into portrait orientation. Its optional sound bar, which attaches to the bottom of the panel, is as space-saving as it is powerful, delivering 14 watts of audio output.

Technical specifications of the Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW include:
-- Native Resolution: 1920 x 1200 (WUXGA+) @ 60Hz(b)
-- Response Time (typical): 12ms grey-to-grey(c), 16ms
black-to-white
-- Contrast Ratio: 1,000:1
-- Brightness (typical): 500 nits
-- Aspect Ratio: 16:10
-- Number of Colors: 16.7 Million
-- Horizontal/Vertical Viewing Angle (typical): +/-89 degrees
-- Lift distance: 3.5 inches
-- Tilt angle: -5 to +20 degrees
-- Swivel: 90 degrees (45 degrees left and right)
-- Memory Card Formats Supported: CompactFlash I/II, Secure
Digital (SD), Mini SD, MultiMedia Card, SmartMedia, Memory
Stick, Memory Stick Pro, IBM Microdrive
-- Inputs: Analog (VGA)/Digital
(DVI)(e)/S-Video/Composite/Component
-- Dimensions (HxWxD): 21.5" x 22.0" x 9.0"
-- Weight: 29.1 lb.

The Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW is available today in parts of Asia and will be available on March 1, 2005 in the Americas and Europe. Additional information and specifications can also be found on March 1 at www.dell.com/monitors. Hi-resolution images are located at www.dell.com/photos.



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(c) 12ms (typical) is based on grey to grey response, typical of fast motion video used in gaming and DVD movies.

(d) The P/P (PIP, PBP) feature supports viewing of two content sources simultaneously, where PC Input is the primary source and any of the AV Inputs is the secondary source.

(e) To use the UltraSharp Flat Panel Monitor DVI input, accompanying system must either be configured with a video card with DVI support or a DVI add-in card.

[sethwas]

Says nothing about hooking up TV because it has no stretch modes.
Meaning, if you have an AVR for audio and a STB and DVD player, you'd want this screen, or the 20" version, for a bedroom TV. But how do you watch non-native content?

Seth

[Tom3]

Review at: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1764458,00.asp

DVI input does not support HDCP content protection, so you can't use it with HDTV sources that require HDCP...could be a problem.

btw, stretch can be handled by computer, since this is primarily a computer display, not a TV.

[sethwas]

Well,
No HDCP means not for use as anything but a PC monitor.

Seth

[rogo]

.... although it does have component input, so it could be used as an HDTV display in a pinch.

I want one for use with the computer.

[cdcooker]

They introduced 20" widescreen late last year, to get all the holiday shoppers hooked. Now the 24". Will a 30" LCD computer monitor the next from Dell? If desktop space is not an issue, the bigger the better.

With the all kinds of dell coupons, this 24" will sell for arond $850 very soon.

[rogo]

That's what I was thinkin' cooker --> sub $900 would be sweet.

Anyone want a lightly used 20-inch Dell for cheap. :)

[exNSX]

That's a pretty high contrast ratio they're claiming.

[JuiceRocket]

Has there been any more information released on this? My 21" CRT is starting to go, and this Dell is looking like a great replacement. :)

-JR

[rogo]

Looks like it'll be shipping in a just a couple of weeks.

[cdcooker]

Details specs and pictures of this new LCD is already on Dell support web site.

[markrubin]

any more info on the new 2405 fpw?

Dell told my buyer these are not available except bundled with workstations - 840 and xps

not sold separately :(

[overtime]

Where does the line start for this beast? :D

overtime

[JuiceRocket]

I don't see a way to order this unit with or without a bundled deal. I can't find any reference to it on the Dell site.

-JR

[overtime]

Here is the Dell link. (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/monitors/topics/en/monitor_feature?c=us&cs=RC956904&l=en&s=hied)

overtime

[JuiceRocket]

Thanks OT!

-JR

[rogo]

It will soon be available undunbled. It is common for Dell to bundle first on lower-quantity items.

[zeroendless]

Spec is looking very good but i see the OSD is smiliar to my twin 2005. SCARY. The 2005 has major issue with control panel circuit, most of them never worked.

I have tried 5 or 6 2005 and kept 2 of them eventhough all the control got issues in addition to LCD backlighting, but i do want the new dell 24" for PC and component in for hdtv. Price is too good.

It would be a real deal for me if i could used the component in for 720p/1080i with total video adjustments. The spec doesn't mention anything about component signal, please report back if your guys got one of them baby tested.

Thanks

[Diode1]

$1,079.10 (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=320-4221&c=us&l=en&cs=19&category_id=6198&first=true&page=productlisting.aspx) :D

[JuiceRocket]

Thanks Diode! Now who will be the guinea pig and buy this first? :D

-JR

[markrubin]

Originally posted by JuiceRocket
Thanks Diode! Now who will be the guinea pig and buy this first? :D

-JR

ME :)

just ordered it!

[Axel Olmos]

Is your estimated ship date 3/23?

:)

[PhoenixScreen]

Is this baby going to require a dual-link capable video card to drive it with a DVI connection?

Phoenix

[GrandMasterJ]

Do we know who manufacturers the panel?

[JuiceRocket]

Originally posted by markrubin
ME :)

just ordered it!

Excellent, I can't wait to hear your review. It'll be my push towards yay or nay for the unit. :)

What do you planned as usage? 70% workstation, 20% gaming, 10% movies?

-JR

[iqwertyi]

My guess that it's a Samsung (which IMO isn't a bad thing at all).

[kilmar]

Ordered one for $1079.10 free 2nd day (I called and begged the CSR and all he could do is give me free 2nd day shipping, cheap bastard!). Expecting it this Friday (ordered status says March 23rd, but I ordered enough from Dell to know it will ship tomorrow).

The display is Samsung:
http://www.geocities.com/miike232001/124.jpg
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/Monitors_n_Industrial/LTM240W1/LTM240W1.htm

[JuiceRocket]

Off-topic, but it's funny to see "burn-in mode" on a LCD. :)

I look forward to your review as well! :D

-JR

[PhoenixScreen]

Whoa, quite a difference between the response time specs listed on the Samsung site ( less than 25ms) and that which Dell lists (less than 12ms).

I guess both could be true at the same time.....:rolleyes: .

Maybe Samsung's just more "conservative" in their data?

Phoenix

[PhoenixScreen]

Now that I look closer, brightness (500 cd/m2 vs 270) and contrast ratio (1000:1 vs 700:1) vary significantly too.

Phoenix

[kilmar]

Will post both HDTV pics (via ATi HDTV Wonder) and Half-Life 2 pics once the unit arrives and is installed.

Juice, don't forget that LCD burn-in can happen. Just ask Alan and Mark :)

P.S. Sox going down this year. Go Yankees!

[JuiceRocket]

Originally posted by kilmar
Juice, don't forget that LCD burn-in can happen. Just ask Alan and Mark :)

P.S. Sox going down this year. Go Yankees!

Roger that, I actually have a pic of burn-in on my LCD HP2025 in the master thread.

Sox will never go down! Oh, wait, we've lost half of our star players... ;)

-JR

[morpho]

Does anyone know if this display can support reduced blanking intervals with single link DVI at 60 hz. I'd like to use this display for my desktop mostly for photo editing.

For the early adaptors, please include what graphics cards you're using if you're hooking it up with your PC when you post your eval.

Thanks,
morpho

[markrubin]

Originally posted by Axel Olmos
Is your estimated ship date 3/23?

:)

Yes: estimated ship date 23 Mar :)

[PhoenixScreen]

For any who watch "bargain" sites, looks like if you're diligent, some Dell discount codes can apply to those purchases.....:cool:

Phoenix

[Ian Flux]

Originally posted by JuiceRocket


Sox will never go down! Oh, wait, we've lost half of our star players... ;)

-JR

We're looking at two dynasties ;)

[kilmar]

Originally posted by morpho
Does anyone know if this display can support reduced blanking intervals with single link DVI at 60 hz. I'd like to use this display for my desktop mostly for photo editing.

For the early adaptors, please include what graphics cards you're using if you're hooking it up with your PC when you post your eval.

Thanks,
morpho

Can't answer your first question, but I would think it does considering the native resolution is 1920x1200. Don't see it in the specs so I can't be certain.

The monitor will be connected to a P4 3.4 EE with an ATi X850 XT PE.

P.S. Monitor went to UPS same day I ordered it (yesterday), so it is on perfect target to arrive on Friday.

[Diode1]

Well I just jumped in as well & placed my order for this new 24" display $1004 shipped prior to tax makes me wish I did not just purchase my two 2005FPW 20.1" LCD's in the past two months, I'm sure they will find a home with my wife & kids. ;)

[Pradeep]

Originally posted by PhoenixScreen
Is this baby going to require a dual-link capable video card to drive it with a DVI connection?

Phoenix

Single link DVI with reduced blanking interval is sufficient.

[PhoenixScreen]

Pradeep,

Thanks for the response. Maybe I should have phrased the question this way:

"Will this monitor "plug and play" with existing video cards such as 6800, 6600, 6200, X800, X700, etc. that have only single-link DVI ports?"

Phoenix

[kilmar]

Originally posted by PhoenixScreen
Pradeep,

Thanks for the response. Maybe I should have phrased the question this way:

"Will this monitor "plug and play" with existing video cards such as 6800, 6600, 6200, X800, X700, etc. that have only single-link DVI ports?"

Phoenix

Yes. Not sure why you'd think it wouldn't.

[PhoenixScreen]

kilmar,

Because of the need for the "reduced blanking interval", I didn't know if single-link DVI cards would automatically recognize this need, or if a user would need to resort to powerstrip type manipulations in order to make the connection work.

Phoenix

[JuiceRocket]

Originally posted by PhoenixScreen
Whoa, quite a difference between the response time specs listed on the Samsung site ( less than 25ms) and that which Dell lists (less than 12ms).

I guess both could be true at the same time.....:rolleyes: .

Maybe Samsung's just more "conservative" in their data?

Phoenix

The review posted on the first page of this thread refers to a review, in which they state they did not see any "visible ghosting" when playing a "fast-moving" game. I'm going to guess it would have to be around or under 12ms response speed in order to keep that ghosting to a minimum.

I'm a huge gamer, so the low response speed for this set is a big selling point. I guess we'll have to wait a couple of weeks before we can get some feedback from those who've purchased it here. :)

-JR

[Pradeep]

Originally posted by PhoenixScreen
kilmar,

Because of the need for the "reduced blanking interval", I didn't know if single-link DVI cards would automatically recognize this need, or if a user would need to resort to powerstrip type manipulations in order to make the connection work.

Phoenix

In my experience this would be a tick box in the graphics driver control panel, if it was needed at all. Once you load the monitor driver you should be all set. I dunno how you would go with a geforce4MX class type of card, but any of the generations you mentioned will be OK.

[kilmar]

Someone on another forum have stated that they were able to use 1920x1200 native on they 8500, so there should be no problem with the new video cards you listed. I am certain about the 6800 and x800.

[stephenC]

Ok, this Dell sounds great and the price is fantastic. How will this product affect the pricing of other units in this size (i.e Samsung 243T, Sony 234W)?

Those units are still in the $1800 - $2400 range. Hopefully, they will drop in price, too.

Comments?

[PhoenixScreen]

It seems like the prices are going to have to drop. This Dell unit has significantly superior specs and is significantly cheaper.

However, it's strange that 20-21" monitors haven't responded to Dell's pricing on their 20.1 inch 1600x1200 monitor. That monitor has been getting darn close to $500 (and even inched under with some discount codes).

In the past, being a "frankenclone" type of person, I've normally not paid too much attention to Dell, but they've got some pretty serious value on these LCDs.

Phoenix

[rogo]

Dell often has significantly lower prices on monitors than others. They run on a thinner margin because they don't have to leave room for retail markup.

[subysouth]

Very impressive specs. Why the 16:10? Workstation use I'm guessing.

ss

[kilmar]

Originally posted by subysouth
Very impressive specs. Why the 16:10? Workstation use I'm guessing.

ss

WXGA+ and WUXGA monitor standards are all 16:10 ratio.

[morpho]

Originally posted by PhoenixScreen
kilmar,

Because of the need for the "reduced blanking interval", I didn't know if single-link DVI cards would automatically recognize this need, or if a user would need to resort to powerstrip type manipulations in order to make the connection work.

Phoenix

Most likely, these single-link video cards would require driver updates to support 1920x1200 with dvi. However, the older video cards would probably only support them at lower refresh rates depending on the quality of their tmds transmitters. How the image would look like is another matter. I'm looking forward to some reviews...

regards,
morpho

[subysouth]

Originally posted by kilmar
WXGA+ and WUXGA monitor standards are all 16:10 ratio.

I wonder why not 16:9? We these two standards made before the ATSC standards?

ss

[stephenC]

I don't think this link completely answers your question, but I found it interesting.

http://www.gen-x-pc.com/lcd3.htm

[Pradeep]

Originally posted by PhoenixScreen
kilmar,

Because of the need for the "reduced blanking interval", I didn't know if single-link DVI cards would automatically recognize this need, or if a user would need to resort to powerstrip type manipulations in order to make the connection work.

Phoenix

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/learnmore/learnmore.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&~id=monitors&~line=desktops&~lt=popup&~series=optix&~tab=other

Here's a list of some cards that are compatible.

[morpho]

Here's a link to the User Guide, full specs and pics.

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2405fpw/

direct link (edited)
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2405fpw/English/about.htm#Front%20View

Resolution
Horizontal scan range 30 kHz to 81 kHz (automatic)
Vertical scan range 56 Hz to 76 Hz, exception 1680 x 1200 & 1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz only
Optimal preset resolution Analog : 1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz(VESA CVT-R Mode)
Digital : 1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz(VESA CVT-R Mode)

Highest preset resolution Analog : 1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz(VESA CVT-R Mode)
Digital : 1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz(VESA CVT-R Mode)

VESA, 1920 x 1200 74.0khz hor. freq. 60.0 vert. freq. pixel clock 154.0mhz

Electrical
Video input signals Analog RGB: 0.7 Volts +/-5%, 75 ohm input impedance

Digital DVI-D TMDS: 600mV for each differential line, 50 ohm input impedance

S-video: Y input 1 volt(p-p), C input 0.286 volt(p-p), 75 ohm input impedance

Composite: 1 volt(p-p), 75 ohm input impedance,
Component: Y, Pb, Pr are all 0.5~1volt(p-p), 75 ohm input impedance

Synchronization input signals separate horizontal and vertical,
3.3V Cmos or 5V TTL level, positive or negative sync.
SOG (Sync on green)
AC input voltage / frequency / current 100 to 240 VAC / 50 or 60 Hz + 3 Hz / 2.0A (Max.)
Inrush current 120V: 40A (Max.)
240V: 80A (Max.)

regards,
morpho

[T2k]

Originally posted by rogo
.... although it does have component input, so it could be used as an HDTV display in a pinch.

I want one for use with the computer.

Exactly. This HDCP hysteria always funny to me. :p

[T2k]

Originally posted by kilmar
Someone on another forum have stated that they were able to use 1920x1200 native on they 8500, so there should be no problem with the new video cards you listed. I am certain about the 6800 and x800.

Even a Radeon 7000 is capable for 2048x1536, I don't really understand why would anybody think that ANY modern video card couldn't do that...

[T2k]

Originally posted by kilmar
Can't answer your first question, but I would think it does considering the native resolution is 1920x1200. Don't see it in the specs so I can't be certain.

The monitor will be connected to a P4 3.4 EE with an ATi X850 XT PE.

P.S. Monitor went to UPS same day I ordered it (yesterday), so it is on perfect target to arrive on Friday.

Interesting. I ordered it yesterday and it shows up as March 17th... :(

FYI: I play everything on my 24" wide CRT at 1920x1200 since last June when I bought my X800XTPE and upgraded to FX-53 (mid-summer).

Nota bene: you need something better than that P4 if you want to play everything in 19200x1200. Unfortunately Intel doesn't have anything to offer in the high-end - consider to switch if you are serious about this. For example I have an S939 FX-53 with water cooling, running over @2.6GHz w/ 240MHz FSB... this is most likely one of the fastest single CPU config you can have today.
P4 3.4EE is usually 20% slower than FX-55, 15% than an FX-53 - and that's a big difference when you have some serious fight (for example in UT2k4 - that's heavily CPU-dependant engine).

[martyj19]

Originally posted by T2k
Even a Radeon 7000 is capable for 2048x1536, I don't really understand why would anybody think that ANY modern video card couldn't do that...

Usually that specification is for the VGA output. It is not usual to find a maximum resolution quoted for DVI and if it is, it is much less. This because the TMDS drivers aren't specified that high.

[MalvoliO77]

I am Using an ATI 9800 Pro, connected with DVI.

No problems.

I didn't even have to put in the dell driver cd. Also, I have noticed no color contour issues, no dead pixels (that I have noticed yet), and oh yea... no pink hues (For those of you who are familiar with the Apple 23" / Sony 234/B "Pink Panther" issue.

It has a very vibrant and sharp picture.
Minimal ghosting noticed to this point.
No hassles!


I received the monitor at work so I will not be able to test further (i.e. gaming, PIP, and stuff) till I get home.

All and all, nothing negative yet.
NO BUY REMORCE!!!!

Thank you Dell,

A Happy Dell Customer

:-)

[kilmar]

Originally posted by T2k
Interesting. I ordered it yesterday and it shows up as March 17th... :(

FYI: I play everything on my 24" wide CRT at 1920x1200 since last June when I bought my X800XTPE and upgraded to FX-53 (mid-summer).

Nota bene: you need something better than that P4 if you want to play everything in 19200x1200. Unfortunately Intel doesn't have anything to offer in the high-end - consider to switch if you are serious about this. For example I have an S939 FX-53 with water cooling, running over @2.6GHz w/ 240MHz FSB... this is most likely one of the fastest single CPU config you can have today.
P4 3.4EE is usually 20% slower than FX-55, 15% than an FX-53 - and that's a big difference when you have some serious fight (for example in UT2k4 - that's heavily CPU-dependant engine).

Monitor arrived today. Will test it on UT2K4, HL2, and CS:S tonight and see what kind of performance I get. In a pinch, I could run them at 1680x1050 which is what I am using now (runs great at that res).

OT: Woohoo 500 posts!

[subysouth]

Originally posted by kilmar
WXGA+ and WUXGA monitor standards are all 16:10 ratio.

Kilmar take a look at this, it says wide profiles can be 16:9 or 16:10.

Originally posted by stephenC
I don't think this link completely answers your question, but I found it interesting.

http://www.gen-x-pc.com/lcd3.htm

I wish they'd pick 16:9 and stick with it, it would make this convergence thing easier. The other part that makes things confusing is the pixels themselves are not always square, so H&V resolution doesnt necessary define screen profile.

Thanks stephenC.

ss

[Axel Olmos]

How are you guys getting your monitor so soon? I ordered via phone 2 hours after the release on March 1st (Dell US) and my delivery estimate just slipped from the 23rd to the 28th. Edit- My bad, the ship date is still the 23rd, the delivery date is the 28th.

[kilmar]

Originally posted by subysouth
Kilmar take a look at this, it says wide profiles can be 16:9 or 16:10.



I wish they'd pick 16:9 and stick with it, it would make this convergence thing easier. The other part that makes things confusing is the pixels themselves are not always square, so H&V resolution doesnt necessary define screen profile.

Thanks stephenC.

ss

Monitors and HDTV Displays utilize different standards. 1080i/p and 720p are 16:9 on HDTVs, Monitors use the XGA standard which is either 4:3 or 16:10

http://www.millertech.com/specs/computer_display_standards.htm


Originally posted by Axel Olmos
How are you guys getting your monitor so soon? I ordered via phone 2 hours after the release on March 1st (Dell US) and my delivery estimate just slipped from the 23rd to the 28th. Edit- My bad, the ship date is still the 23rd, the delivery date is the 28th.

It all depends on the delivery method and your location. When I order from Dell, they usually start shipping it to me the day I order and even when I choose 3-5 day it arrives in two days. Since they gave me 2nd day free, I took the offer. DHL shipped it on 3/2, so it arrived today (2nd day).

[subysouth]

Originally posted by kilmar
Monitors and HDTV Displays utilize different standards. 1080i/p and 720p are 16:9 on HDTVs, Monitors use the XGA standard which is either 4:3 or 16:10

http://www.millertech.com/specs/computer_display_standards.htm



I think you might want to add to your sources. WSXGA is 1600x900 and 16:9 profile and apparently not on that Miller site. You might want to Google it.

ss

[mad6c]

Looks like the price went up. Anyone know any applicable coupons or discount offers.

Now is $1199.00 on there site.

Thanks,
Mike

[kilmar]

Well, the monitor is installed, and boy is it a MONSTER

Let me just bulletpoint some items of note:

* Monitor has been on 2+ hours (enough to warm up) and there is no noticeable blacklight leakage *WOOHOO*!
* 0 dead pixels (using "Dead Pixel Buddy" software

Benchmark Machine: P4 3.4 EE, ATi x850 xt pe, 1GB PC4200/533, 2x400GB Seagate Raid-0 NCQ

Valve Source Test (1920x1200 all details max):
4xAA 16xAF - 88.81 FPS
0xAA 8xAF - 111.67
0xAA Triple Buffering - 124.49

Half-Life 2 Timedemo Canals-9 (1920x1200 all details max):
4xAA 16xAF - 43.77
0xAA 8xAF - 73.92
0xAA Triple Buffering - 91.84

Counter-Strike: Source (1920x1200 all details max) while online with 40 player server:
4xAA 16xAF - plays abit sluggish
0XAA 8xAF - plays GREAT!

Since there's no timedemo for CS:S, I could not make an accurate FPS count.

old 2005FPW (for comparison):
http://home.nyc.rr.com/kilmar/pics2/wide1.jpg

2405FPW:
http://home.nyc.rr.com/kilmar/pics2/flash.jpg

Trying to show 0 backlight bleeding w/o flash (not too successful, please note any hint of backlight bleeding you think you see on the pic is due to the camera):
http://home.nyc.rr.com/kilmar/pics2/unflash.jpg

Half-Life 2:
http://home.nyc.rr.com/kilmar/pics2/hl2.jpg

My next step is to reinstall UT2004 and Doom 3 and try to run some benches. I will try to do this tomorrow.

[kilmar]

Originally posted by subysouth
I think you might want to add to your sources. WSXGA is 1600x900 and 16:9 profile and apparently not on that Miller site. You might want to Google it.

ss

Tried to Google 1600x900 lcd monitors and found nothing. When I goggled WSXGA, all I found was laptops.

[clarkkent333]

Just wanted to give you guys the heads up. If you check out chubby wallet there is a deal for calling into Dell SB and getting the 2405 for $860 + tax with free second day shipping. Got mine for $910 shipped 2nd day free. Lots are getting in on it. Thought I'd pass it along.

[ultimate]

The support site manual only briefly mentions something called "Monitor Flat panel only (VESA Mode)" under Physical Characteristics->Weight so the stand apparently weighs nearly 7 pounds. I presume Dell uses fairly standard mounts, but it's just not clear from the documentation.

Does anyone have plans to wall mount their display and if so what kind of mount should I buy? The thing apparently sticks out nine inches from the wall if you install it with the stand so I'd like to reduce that as much as possible. I'm somewhat undecided between a straight wall mount with tilt adjustment and a cantilever mount that ideally would also have tilt.

Also, having never ordered from Dell, is it normal for them to say that something has shipped, but to take several days for them to show a tracking number? Mine shows it shipped on 3/2 and presumably it should be here today or Monday, but there is no way to track the shipment yet.

Dennis

[Peter740]

yeah I started it at chubby wallet... hehehehe

[r2rickster]

Thanks Peter

In on the deal and ordered. Not shipping until 3/22. Will seem like a long wait. People who have received them are lovin' life!!

[ultimate]

Also, having never ordered from Dell, is it normal for them to say that something has shipped, but to take several days for them to show a tracking number?

In answer to my own question, the tracking number is showing up now. I ordered on the afternoon of 3/2 and apparently it shipped the same day via Airbourne with delivery scheduled for today.

My 32-inch Syntax Olevia is also shipping today, but won't be delivered until Tuesday. :)

Dennis

[PlasmicMike]

If anyone can PM the wallet deal info, I'd appreciate it. I'm on the site right now and every link I've followed excludes the 2405.

Thanks,
Mike

[jbradway]

Mike, you have a PM :)

[clarkkent333]

And so it begins....

[markrubin]

please: No coupon talk allowed on this forum

Thank you :)

[PlasmicMike]

Sorry about the coupon talk.

But I did order one :)

-Mike

(I *did* buy my last HT purchase through AVS though - they ROCK!)

[JuiceRocket]

Kilmar, how did the LCD handle fast motion? Any blurring or smearing? I'm an avid UT2K4 player, so quick movements are a necessity. :)

-JR

[desertdome]

Originally posted by PhoenixScreen
Whoa, quite a difference between the response time specs listed on the Samsung site ( less than 25ms) and that which Dell lists (less than 12ms).

I guess both could be true at the same time.....:rolleyes: .

Maybe Samsung's just more "conservative" in their data?

Phoenix

Samsung is now listing an 8ms response time on their website for the panel that matches Dell's other specifications:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/Monitors_n_Industrial/LTM240M1/LTM240M1.htm

[kilmar]

Originally posted by JuiceRocket
Kilmar, how did the LCD handle fast motion? Any blurring or smearing? I'm an avid UT2K4 player, so quick movements are a necessity. :)

-JR

The LCD handled HL2 and CS:S with no problem. Also tested Freedom Force: The Third Reich and scrolled around the map without any blurring or smearing.

As desertdome stated, the LCD is 8ms which is mind boggling to perceive in a screen that big.

I'll post more tonight once I reinstall all 6 CDs of UT2K4.

[JuiceRocket]

Originally posted by kilmar
The LCD handled HL2 and CS:S with no problem. Also tested Freedom Force: The Third Reich and scrolled around the map without any blurring or smearing.

As desertdome stated, the LCD is 8ms which is mind boggling to perceive in a screen that big.

I'll post more tonight once I reinstall all 6 CDs of UT2K4.

Whoo hooo, EXCELLENT news!!! :D Let me know how UT2K4 does, but I'm sure it'll look just as smooth. :)

-JR

[irkuck]

Kilmar, can you comment on the black level? I know, backlight bleeding is
low andcontrast ratio stated 1000:1 but is black level noticeably better than
in older monitors?

[kilmar]

Originally posted by irkuck
Kilmar, can you comment on the black level? I know, backlight bleeding is
low andcontrast ratio stated 1000:1 but is black level noticeably better than
in older monitors?

The black level is much improved from the 2005FPW. The 2005FPW irked me with the poor black levels, especially when watching DVD movies with dark scenes. The 2405FPW is definitely better in that regard.

However, I've only used 4 LCD monitors so far (2000FP, 2001FP, 2005FPW, 2405FPW) so my experience is limited. The 2405FPW definitely is the best out of the 4 in terms of black level.

[Amagus]

Does the component input on this monitor maintain the correct aspect ratio of 16:9 or does it stretch it to 16:10 like the early HP 23" monitors? I guess you would need a DVD player or XBox to test this.

-Amagus

[kilmar]

Originally posted by Amagus
Does the component input on this monitor maintain the correct aspect ratio of 16:9 or does it stretch it to 16:10 like the early HP 23" monitors? I guess you would need a DVD player or XBox to test this.

-Amagus

You can choose to do either in the OSD.

[dam-sam]

Ordered the 2405 today...... Needed to replace my 19" CRT. Got a deal I couldn't pass up ;). This display has some good specs. 12ms response time is nice. I like the fact it has a built in flash card reader.

[kilmar]

Originally posted by JuiceRocket
Whoo hooo, EXCELLENT news!!! :D Let me know how UT2K4 does, but I'm sure it'll look just as smooth. :)

-JR

Just played about 30 minutes of UT2K4 on 1920x1200 with everything maxed "HOLY SH*T!"

Played smooth as a newborn baby's bottom.

[GrandMasterJ]

Originally posted by jbradway
Mike, you have a PM :)

jbradway, fire a PM my way as well, please? Thank you.

[marck]

Originally posted by jbradway
Mike, you have a PM :)

Could I please bother you for a PM? Thanks.

[JWhip]

Same here!

[dam-sam]

You have mail!

[scmguru]

Can I get a PM with the order info too? I'd like to upgrade.

[dpc123]

I'd appreciate a PM too. Merci buckets.

[webboy10169]

pm me too

How is video playback? Specifically ts files...

[morpho]

Would appreciate a pm as well. Thanks.

[cybertec]

also need a PM, thanks.

[xingr]

Please PM me with order info too. Thanks!

[markrubin]

while I wait for mine:

does this display have any fans/fan noise?

[neomoz]

Just wanted to know if any of you guys with one have tried out the component input and whether it supports 50hz hd video through the component input. You feedback would be greatly appreciated. I'm so close to pulling the trigger on this puppy to replace my old dell 21inch trinitron crt.

[BradSwanson]

Please Kick me a PM also for the order.

Thanks.
Samsonite

[kilmar]

Originally posted by markrubin
while I wait for mine:

does this display have any fans/fan noise?

No fan noise. I don't think the unit has any fans at all. I'll check actively when I get home and edit the post if I find otherwise.

[markrubin]

Thanks

my unit has finally gone to the shipping stage so I should have it this week :)

[Peter740]

Please post a review when you get it...

[webboy10169]

Thanks for the info i ordered a pair...

[NewHD4me]

Can someone please PM me info on this deal. Thanks.

[varma]

Is a DVI cable included? If so how long?

Mine was delivered today. Wondering if i need to buy a cable.

[kilmar]

Originally posted by varma
Is a DVI cable included? If so how long?

Mine was delivered today. Wondering if i need to buy a cable.

Yes. I believe it was 2m.

[iceman143]

I understand this is shipping from Dell with free overnight shipping but the restocking may take a few days.

[ultimate]

Just wanted to know if any of you guys with one have tried out the component input and whether it supports 50hz hd video through the component input.

I'm not sure what you mean by 50Hz. I'm using 1080i 60Hz via the component inputs from my Dish 6000 receiver without any problems; I also tried 720p with no issues, though I think 1080i looks slightly better. I'm using my Power Macintosh G5 via the DVI input with the component input as part of picture in picture and split screen.

The only thing that's a little strange to me is that some HD content I recorded from my local CBS affiliate seems to have some fluttering issues, which could be a video card issue, though other recordings from other channels haven't seemed to be a problem. In any event, I'm waiting for my 32-inch Syntax Olevia to arrive, which will be my main HD display as the Dell is primarily a computer monitor in my setup.

Dennis

[marck]

Just ordered mine. Thanks.

[ralphjb]

Originally posted by ultimate
I'm not sure what you mean by 50Hz. I'm using 1080i 60Hz via the component inputs from my Dish 6000 receiver without any problems; I also tried 720p with no issues, though I think 1080i looks slightly better. I'm using my Power Macintosh G5 via the DVI input with the component input as part of picture in picture and split screen.

The only thing that's a little strange to me is that some HD content I recorded from my local CBS affiliate seems to have some fluttering issues, which could be a video card issue, though other recordings from other channels haven't seemed to be a problem. In any event, I'm waiting for my 32-inch Syntax Olevia to arrive, which will be my main HD display as the Dell is primarily a computer monitor in my setup.

Dennis

Curious. Does your Dish Receiver have VGA out? If so, have you tried running 1080i via VGA into this monitor. I ask only because I know the Dell 2005FPW could not handle 1080i. I've got an old DirecTV RCA DTC100 box with VGA out.
Thanks.

[thedeskE]

Snagged a link to pics. Thought you guys would enjoy. Notice the guy is on OSX, so looks good for Mac users as well. I also read that the panel is benQ. My HP 2335 is LG, but it looks like the panel will at least be as good as the HP, with the addition on the Picture by Picture & card slots.

Hope this is the beginning of bigger/cheaper that everyone's been waiting for.
Apple's going to choke if they don't pay attention and join the price war. IMO

http://offsite.willo.net/2405/2405.html

E

[rogo]

BenQ doesn't make panels, but if someone said it's a BenQ, they probably meant it's an AU Optronics panel. Acer spun out its LCD-making into AUO a while back.

[ultimate]

Originally posted by ralphjb
Curious. Does your Dish Receiver have VGA out? If so, have you tried running 1080i via VGA into this monitor. I ask only because I know the Dell 2005FPW could not handle 1080i.

No, right now I'm using the VGA output from the Dish 6000 to drive my Samsung 172T as a TV for SD until the 32-inch Syntax Olevia gets here so I can use the Dell for work without doing picture in picture for TV. I'm using the VGA input on the Dell 2405FPW with my IOgear Miniview III KVM, which is hooked up to my three Mac servers. One nice thing is that each input seems to have independant memory, unlike some displays.

Of course, until the Syntax Olevia gets here, I'm viewing HD on the Dell via the component input using 1080i, but I doubt that really answers your question. Basically, this Dell can handle 1080i via the component input, but I'm not sure about the VGA input.

Dennis

[ssuh]

Hi, can someone please PM me with info on the deal? Thanks a lot!

[Pradeep]

Originally posted by ultimate
I'm not sure what you mean by 50Hz. I'm using 1080i 60Hz via the component inputs from my Dish 6000 receiver without any problems; I also tried 720p with no issues, though I think 1080i looks slightly better. I'm using my Power Macintosh G5 via the DVI input with the component input as part of picture in picture and split screen.
Dennis

He's in Australia, land of 50Hz.

[Pheoni]

Hrm... Trying to deside on 1 or 2 of these, an ACD (30" of course), or a HT setup... *crys* Oh too many choices.

Can I get a PM with the deal, just incase I deside to pull the trigger?

[neomoz]

He's in Australia, land of 50Hz.

Yep that's right, we have hd signals based on 50hz refresh like the old pal standard. So our 720p and 1080i signals are identical in resolution the only difference is the refresh rate of 50hz instead of 60hz. the GM1601 chipset should support these video modes, just don't have any sort of confirmation that it really does that's all.

[thedeskE]

rogo

Thanks, I stand corrected.
E

[kilmar]

Originally posted by rogo
BenQ doesn't make panels, but if someone said it's a BenQ, they probably meant it's an AU Optronics panel. Acer spun out its LCD-making into AUO a while back.

It's a Samsung panel, assembled by BenQ in China. This means you get the quality of the Samsung and the cheap assembly cost of BenQ. Chinese labor averages $.64 per hour. For children, it is even less. This is probably one of the reasons why Dell can sell it for so cheap.

[ultimate]

Originally posted by neomoz
Yep that's right, we have hd signals based on 50hz refresh like the old pal standard. So our 720p and 1080i signals are identical in resolution the only difference is the refresh rate of 50hz instead of 60hz. the GM1601 chipset should support these video modes, just don't have any sort of confirmation that it really does that's all.

No easy way for me to tell, but the minimum refresh rate that shows up in my Displays preference pane is 60Hz for all the widescreen resolutions that I tried. I'm using a dual 2.5Ghz Power Macintosh G5 with the OEM ATI Radeon 9600 XT video card.

I thought the default HD resolution down there was 1024x576, which is a resolution that Apple added when they released Panther.

Dennis

[conan48]

can someone please PM me with info on the deal. Thanks alot

[markrubin]

mine just arrived :)

[qpham]

I'm thinking to buy this one for the following configurations:
_ DVI connect to the Dell Notebook 9100
_ VGA connect to the Desk Top computer
_ Component connect to Samsung Set top box for viewing HDTV

Is it possible ?

[kilmar]

Originally posted by qpham
I'm thinking to buy this one for the following configurations:
_ DVI connect to the Dell Notebook 9100
_ VGA connect to the Desk Top computer
_ Component connect to Samsung Set top box for viewing HDTV

Is it possible ?

Yes, just don't try to PiP or PbP with the Desktop and Notebook.

[Peter740]

It is definitely a samsung panel and also it is 8ms... So it beats the hp L2335 by a inch and has the built in card reader and by almost half in price and by 8ms.. I don't think anyone would be foolish enough to purchase a HP L2335 now... Also this monitor has a 3yr warranty...

[irkuck]

Originally posted by Peter740
It is definitely a samsung panel and also it is 8ms... So it beats the hp L2335 by a inch and has the built in card reader and by almost half in price and by 8ms.. I don't think anyone would be foolish enough to purchase a HP L2335 now... Also this monitor has a 3yr warranty...

If you say that that there are no dead pixels, this monitor is out of this world :D

[kilmar]

Originally posted by irkuck
If you say that that there are no dead pixels, this monitor is out of this world :D

There are no dead pixels...



on mine.

[ultimate]

No dead pixels here either.

I watched 'CSI: Miami' via component from my Dish 6000 last night and also recordings of '24' and 'Cold Case' played back on my G5 via DVI. From about six feet away, all three shows were very, very impressive. I did notice some flickering on 'CSI:Miami' when tuned to my local CBS affiliate, but not on WCBS HD from New York.

I personally wouldn't buy this as just a TV; No remote control and for my tastes just too small for lots of TV viewing. But as a computer monitor, it's quite impressive with just occasional HD viewing or PIP TV applications. Can't wait to get my Syntax Olevia in later today for comparison.

Dennis

[markrubin]

How do you select a CF card input?

I inserted a CF card but don't see how to select the input?

[xingr]

If you are running Windows XP and you connect a USB cable from the monitor to a USB port on your PC, each card slot on the monitor should appear as a separate disk drive letter when you open "My Computer" or "Windows Explorer". The slots without a card in them will be empty when you click on the drive letter. The monitor looks just like a USB hub to the PC.

jdd

[markrubin]

jdd

Thank you :)

the USB cable did it

[exNSX]

How is the display Mark?

[dam-sam]

What video card is everyone using? I have the 2405 coming soon, I hope my BFG 6800 is up to the challange.

[neomoz]

Your pc card will only show vesa standard timings via dvi and vga. For 50hz you'd need to use the component cable and have access to a device that pumps out 50hz hd. Although it is possible using powerstrip to for a 720p50hz signal via dvi, i've done it before to test my plasma panel out with dvi and 720p. i've got some aussie mates picking up the unit in a couple of days so we'll soon find out whether it can support 50hz hd component signals.

[OTHguy]

would also appreciate a pm on this deal

Thanks,

[markrubin]

Originally posted by exNSX
How is the display Mark?

so far, excellent: no dead pixels: wide range of brightness & contrast settings, and backlighting seems even

I only had a chance to view it as a PC monitor: it booted to 1920x1200 from an ATI 9600 card

I tried to run DisplayMate but I got an error message so I will hook up the Accupel generator and some other sources when I get a chance: I have not checked it for response time but other posters seem happy

this display can be rotated 90 degrees to make access to the connections on the bottom: it can be used in this orientation if your PC has the software for rotation

a SoundBar option is available which adds speakers to the bottom of the panel (in its normal orientation)

Very happy so far :)

[O2C]

Originally posted by irkuck
If you say that that there are no dead pixels, this monitor is out of this world :D
FWIW, I've been watching three or four boards closely and seen around a dozen or so reports people getting their monitors and no dead pixels. I have seen one person report a dead pixel. Given that people tend to report bad things more often and that checking for dead pixels is something most bleeding edge folk would do right away (especially after the 2001FP and 2005FPW), I'd say the rumours that they're able to check for and fix dead pixels in the factory seem to be accurate.

[Peter740]

I just got confirmation on a new price of mid 7's on this monitor.. Way to go DELL...
This monitor rocks big time...I hooked it up to my bfg 6800 ultra pcie via DVI... it is awesome... Screw the HP L2335... With the added 3yr warranty This seals the deal... Everyone that has not ordered.. You will not be disappointed... Get it while it is hot...

[mburcke]

Peter -

I sent you a PM, thanks.

[xingr]

To anyone who has received their monitor from Dell via DHL.... Do they require a signature for delivery? I just received my shipment confirmation and was surprized to see DHL rather than UPS as the carrier.

[kilmar]

Yes. Signature required.

[Fists_of_Legend]

Originally posted by jbradway
Mike, you have a PM :)

Can you PM me the same info? I'd like to go for it too.

Sounds like it's a dream monitor so far..

[Fists_of_Legend]

Originally posted by Peter740
I just got confirmation on a new price of mid 7's on this monitor.. Way to go DELL...
This monitor rocks big time...I hooked it up to my bfg 6800 ultra pcie via DVI... it is awesome... Screw the HP L2335... With the added 3yr warranty This seals the deal... Everyone that has not ordered.. You will not be disappointed... Get it while it is hot...


Stop!!

You guys are making it hard to concentrate at work!

I'll probably order one before I leave work today. :-)

[Carl Jones]

Originally posted by Peter740
I just got confirmation on a new price of mid 7's on this monitor.. Way to go DELL...
This monitor rocks big time...I hooked it up to my bfg 6800 ultra pcie via DVI... it is awesome... Screw the HP L2335... With the added 3yr warranty This seals the deal... Everyone that has not ordered.. You will not be disappointed... Get it while it is hot...

I hate to sound dumb...but HOW do you get that kind of price confirmation?

[Peter740]

Thru Dell EPP... Just tell them to search for the last couple of days sale price and they will match the [MSRP only please] ... But you must qualitfy thru dell epp....

[stephenC]

What is EPP?

[happy1127]

Could someone please PM me the details on the "deal" thanks.

Robert

[kilmar]

Originally posted by stephenC
What is EPP?

Employee Purchase Plan.

[PanamaMike]

Does the "special" deal apply? If so, could someone PM me with details?

Mike

[destroid]

Checked with an EPP rep (I am at a partner company) :

Out of stock for 2 weeks - and they will not quote a price for ordering an out of stock item.

The discount should be substantial based on what I have read.

[syncro]

Got mine yesterday.

So far:
- no backlight seepage issue
- Black levels with almost no ambient light (pitch dark) very good. With light they become light-black as most LCD screens tend to (except for the new 45" 1080p Aquos, which rivals CRT monitors' black levels)
- very bright (I keep it @ 30% and it's still bright) in comparison with the Viewsonic VP201b (which is no slouch in the brightness department)
- component input is bright and vivid with very uniform saturation, no washout or color blending
- it's a Samsung PVA panel
- one dead pixel at the bottom 1/5 of the screen (to be precise it's stuck on about 40% gray, not dead)
- got it for $1,050 after taxes, since I ordered the first day before Peter740 went nuts at the overweight wallet.
- definitely not a 12ms response, more like a 16ms response, which is more than enough for me
- plugged it through VGA not DVI (I have to use a KVM)
- component scaling is very nicely done, and the upscaler does a good job on 720p and 1080i content (Comcast's Discovery HD 1080i looks fantastic)
- true HD (1080p) looks incredible
- no remote (bummer)
- PIP scales well, as does PBP (PBP has limited usefullnes due to the ratios)
- haven't tried SD content from S-video or Composite to see how well it handles it. Normal cable SD is done suprisingly well at Fill mode, with noticable but not overwhelming stretching.

Overall, I'm very happy with the purchase and results, which leads me to:

Questions to Peter and all others:
- Peter: do you need to be part of EPP to get in on the deal? If not can you PM me, I want a second one :D

- Does anyone know a KVM with DVI that supports 1920x1200 @ 60Hz?
The Belkin SOHO one allows for 1600x1200 only.

[irkuck]

Originally posted by kilmar
There are no dead pixels...on mine.

Have you tested red, green, blue, subpixels too?

[PlasmicMike]

It's shipped :)

Status: In Transit to Local Carrier

Not bad considering they said it wouldn't ship until the 23rd. They did the same thing the last time I bought a PC from them.

-Mike

[marck]

I just got my Dell 24", ordered 2 days ago. Please give me a recommendation on a video card for this. I presently have a Radeon 9700 Pro that came in my Voodoo brand PC. When I look at the settings options it lists only upto 1600 x1200. Also included are 1280 x 1024/960/768 or 720.

What is the best card for the monitor? I want the maximum capability and options. Money is not a major consideration. Thanks for your help. I'm anxious to get this thing hooked up.

(Follow up).
Never mind. Dumb question. It only showed those resolutions because that was the limitation of the monitor I had hooked up. I have both my PCs hooked up to the new monitor and installed new drivers and easily set the appropriate resolution.

Impression so far, I love this monitor.

[Peter740]

For all Dell EPP partners just tell the rep that you was told that it was in the you know what mid price... And they should match it with free shipping... Ordered 2 of them no problem... Anyways if the rep won't budge, hangup and call again for another rep... Not to be racist, But I have the most luck with a certain asian ethnic reps... Give it a try.. What do you have to lose? I also got in on a great deal for a 6800 Ultra thru dell epp too for my monitor... Good luck everyone...

[jin kim]

Got mine today. Looks good; no dead pixels. This thing is huge. I have so much screen real estate I don't know how to use it.

[iamrandyray]

how will games on xbox or ps2 look on this lcd screen?

[khomotso]

I'd also be interested in hearing a report on how DVDs look on this guy.

[markrubin]

I ran this screen with an Accupel HDG-3000 throwing up several test patterns mainly looking for dead pixels: threw up red/blue/green screens, put the old reading glasses on trying to find dead pixels: NONE :)

the amount of real estate on this display at the 1920 resolution is amazing

[Peter740]

I ran my xbox in hd on this monitor and it looks amazing...

[Fists_of_Legend]

Originally posted by destroid
Checked with an EPP rep (I am at a partner company) :

Out of stock for 2 weeks - and they will not quote a price for ordering an out of stock item.

The discount should be substantial based on what I have read.

This is somehwat of a misnomer.

I actually ordered mine last night (on the phone with Rep Brad) I asked him specifically about the delay and he mentioned that while they seemed to run through the first batch, the second batch was already being drawn on and shipped much faster than the delay period they are stating on the phone.
Although he mentioned the two week delay to me as well; off the recored he said He'd be shocked if it didn't ship in 3 or 4 days.

I'm happy to say this morning, my order has already shipped! :-)

Just my experience.....

[Fists_of_Legend]

Originally posted by Peter740
For all Dell EPP partners just tell the rep that you was told that it was in the you know what mid price... And they should match it with free shipping... Ordered 2 of them no problem... Anyways if the rep won't budge, hangup and call again for another rep... Not to be racist, But I have the most luck with a certain asian ethnic reps... Give it a try.. What do you have to lose? I also got in on a great deal for a 6800 Ultra thru dell epp too for my monitor... Good luck everyone...

There also seem to be a select few reps who are "tuned" in to the $860 deal.
I was given a reps name via PM and I contacted him and wound up leaving a message. He called back later that evening. It was a vERY simple process from there. No wrangling, no B.S.

My order was up on Dell's web site an hour after I spoke to him and has already shipped.

If you need his info PM me and I'll give it to you.

[desertdome]

I ordered my 2405fpw last Friday and received it on Tuesday. It was delivered at 8:00am. I haven't had much time to play with it yet since I went to a piano duet last night (Emanuel Ax and Yefim Bronfman).

I was able to use it all day Tuesday at work. I also have a 2005fpw at work. The 2405fpw has better blacks, is brighter, and seemed larger than I thought it would. I tested with Dead Pixel Buddy and found no dead pixels with any colors (The 2005fpw has no dead pixels either).

This morning I watched part of a DVD with Theatertek 2.1.1 in renderless mode with an ATI AIW 9600 Pro. The picture is incredible. I also watched a wmv-hd clip (The Italian Job) and was very impressed with the 2405fpw's picture quality. However, when viewing from about 6', Theatertek with renderless mode looked to me about as good as an image as the wmv-hd.

I will be getting a Myhd130 soon and plan to use the monitor for all viewing of HDTV and DVD's. This replaced the 9 year old 17" CRT I received with a Gateway Pentium 100. I got rid of the computer years ago. :)

Is there a program to test the response time? Dell says 12ms, Samsung had 16ms on their website for a while, but now they say 8ms.

Michael

[TCP]

Hey Fists you have a PM :)

[mmp121]

Could someone send me a PM about the EPP ? My company has a EPP w/Dell, and by god its about time I took advantage of it :)

[Peter740]

Just call up the epp and give them your epp id number and then tell them that your friend bought it for the mid you know what price and tell them to do a search and they will see it.. Mine epp order is in the production stage right now.... You might have to order 2 of them cause thats what me and my friend did to get the deal with free ship... Let me tell you this monitor is amazing for the price, performance and warranty... No other lcd monitor can match it...

[rexh]

fist..you have another pm:)

[thedeskE]

fist - I'm in your PM as well.
Thanks
E

[Fists_of_Legend]

Melechmet

TCP

rexh

thedeskE

rogo

PM's returned.

If it's TMI, Let me know your experience....

Fists..

[Fists_of_Legend]

Originally posted by desertdome
The picture is incredible. I also watched a wmv-hd clip (The Italian Job) and was very impressed with the 2405fpw's picture quality. However, when viewing from about 6', Theatertek with renderless mode looked to me about as good as an image as the wmv-hd.

I will be getting a Myhd130 soon and plan to use the monitor for all viewing of HDTV and DVD's.
Michael

Thanks for the Impromptu review. I own a 2005fpw as well. I was wondering about what things would be like comparing the two. Once I take delivery on the 2405, I'll go through some test and let everyone know what I find. :-)

[desertdome]

I would like to know what video cards you are using for a DVI connection with the 2405fpw. Per Tom's Hardware review of the DVI capabilities of ATI and Nvidia cards, they "recommended" using the ATI for 1920x1200 resolutions:

"The result of our DVI compliance test is positive across the board, with all six cards reaching DVI compliance. However, while the three ATI based cards provided by ABIT and ATi turned in exemplary results, MSI's NVIDIA based cards are only able to reach DVI compliance in UXGA at a reduced frequency of 141 MHz and using a reduced blanking interval. This greatly limits the NVIDIA cards' "upward mobility" - since they don't have enough reserves for TFT displays with higher native resolutions than UXGA (1600x1200). The MSI NX6800 card only reached compliance at 162MHz when a separate TMDS transmitter chip was used. Counting these results, it seems that ATi's integrated TMDS transmitter is superior to NVIDIA's implementation. Yet the MSI cards' eye diagrams displayed a turbulent distribution of the data even when the SiL 164 TMDS transmitter was used."

Full Article: http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041129/index.html


I wonder if this is why some have been getting tearing at 1920x1080 using VMR9 and the Nvidia cards. I would like to hear some feedback regarding DVI connections to the 2405fpw.

Michael

[KANE4]

Add me to the list of those that have ordered. I placed my order last night at 10pm and it has already hit the "in transit" status. By the way the estimated ship date was March 21st.

desertdome - I ordered this with a Dell computer that has an NVIDIA 6800. I will let you know my thoughts when I get it. Hopefully in a few days! I also need to venture into the HTPC forum to figure out what I need to make this into an HDTV DVR.

Now the search begins for a plasma in the living room and it seems I'm in the same boat as everyone else - Panny or NEC...

[roblim]

Originally posted by Fists_of_Legend
Thanks for the Impromptu review. I own a 2005fpw as well. I was wondering about what things would be like comparing the two. Once I take delivery on the 2405, I'll go through some test and let everyone know what I find. :-)

I received my Dell 2405 today. I also own a couple of 2005s. Comparing the two, I noticed that the 2005 has higher brightness- whites are whiter, colors much more vivid. The 24" still looked very good, but i liked the brightness of the 2005s so I am returning the 2405.

[stk]

Did you order Windows MCE with your new PC? If not, I would try to change the order. It's a much nicer interface than the software that any of the HD tuner cards come with, and Dell only charges $40 to upgrade from XP Home.

Originally posted by KANE4
desertdome - I ordered this with a Dell computer that has an NVIDIA 6800. I will let you know my thoughts when I get it. Hopefully in a few days! I also need to venture into the HTPC forum to figure out what I need to make this into an HDTV DVR.

[Fists_of_Legend]

Originally posted by roblim
I received my Dell 2405 today. I also own a couple of 2005s. Comparing the two, I noticed that the 2005 has higher brightness- whites are whiter, colors much more vivid. The 24" still looked very good, but i liked the brightness of the 2005s so I am returning the 2405.

Ouch, Not the news I was hoping for.

The specs on the website seem to say the opposite in terms of brightness anyway.

If you don't mind me asking, what did you use in you test? Games, DVD, etc..

It looks like I'll be getting mine on Monday. I'll be doing my own "Real World" testing but I wouldn't mind trying what you tried....

[markrubin]

Originally posted by roblim
I received my Dell 2405 today. I also own a couple of 2005s. Comparing the two, I noticed that the 2005 has higher brightness- whites are whiter, colors much more vivid. The 24" still looked very good, but i liked the brightness of the 2005s so I am returning the 2405.

I noticed the brightness and colors as received with factory default settings were not to my liking but there is a wide range of adjustments in the menus (particularly for brightness and contrast) that should allow you to dial in a good picture

have not compared the 2405 to the 2005

For me the 2405 is a keeper :)

[KANE4]

Originally posted by stk
Did you order Windows MCE with your new PC? If not, I would try to change the order. It's a much nicer interface than the software that any of the HD tuner cards come with, and Dell only charges $40 to upgrade from XP Home.

Yes I included MCE but not their tuner card. It didn't look like it would do HD. I'll have Time Warner Cable coming in soon.

Estimated delivery date is Monday for me as well. :D

[stephenC]

I just called Dell to order the 2405 and was told that MSRP is the best price available right now. :(

Did anyone have to order a complete PC with this monitor to get the incredibly good price talked about?

Should I just keep calling back as mentioned above? Any helpful hints?

TIA

[kilmar]

Originally posted by irkuck
Have you tested red, green, blue, subpixels too?

I tested with Dead Pixel Buddy using Black, White, Red, Green, Blue, and even Yellow subpixel. Nothing. Nada. Everything was perfect. This is one amazing screen.

[kilmar]

Originally posted by desertdome
I would like to know what video cards you are using for a DVI connection with the 2405fpw.

ATi X850 XT PE.

[kilmar]

Originally posted by roblim
I received my Dell 2405 today. I also own a couple of 2005s. Comparing the two, I noticed that the 2005 has higher brightness- whites are whiter, colors much more vivid. The 24" still looked very good, but i liked the brightness of the 2005s so I am returning the 2405.

Opposite of what I noticed. I had the 2005 and 2405 side by side for two days before I sold the 2005. In paper and in person, the 2405 is definitely brighter, more vibrant (once you correctly set the color in the menu), and blacks are definitely blacker than the 2005. Also, no more backlight bleeding!

2005FPW:
Image brightness 300 cd/m²
Image Contrast Ratio: 600:1

2405FPW:
Image Brightness: 500 cd/m²
Image Contrast Ratio: 1000:1

[marck]

I've lived with the 2405 a few days now and I thrilled with it. I also had the 2005. For the first day, I had it next to the 2405. It didn't take me long to decide to disconnect the 2005 and set it aside in anticipation of listing it on Ebay. I also agree the 2405 is noticable brighter and more vibrant with better blacks (very important to me). I downloaded several WMV-HD files last night. They looked fantastic. I recommend this monitor without hesitation.

[dusk]

My Father-in-law's side business needed a new server and desktop so I ordered the 8400 which made the 2405W a great deal. Right now the " Small Business" 2405 is on sale along with the 2005.

[Fists_of_Legend]

Originally posted by stephenC
I just called Dell to order the 2405 and was told that MSRP is the best price available right now. :(

Did anyone have to order a complete PC with this monitor to get the incredibly good price talked about?

Should I just keep calling back as mentioned above? Any helpful hints?

TIA

If you read back a little further in this thread, you'll see that it's not a standard phone and order situation.

It seems that a few reps at Dell are willing to deal and many more are not. It's easier to deal with the ones who do


I PM'd you some specific info....

[KANE4]

Originally posted by dusk
My Father-in-law's side business needed a new server and desktop so I ordered the 8400 which made the 2405W a great deal.

Exactly what I did since my PIII was way past its prime. The discount for the 8400 plus EPP made the price point very attractive. The current special is not as good. I went with this over the W2600 TV so I hope I made the right choice.

[qpham]

Is the DVI input port of the 2005 will work with HDTV set top box or DVD player with DVI port output. I love the price of the 2005, only about half of the 2405.

[Fists_of_Legend]

djap2

Juicerocket

you have PM

[ken987]

Yes,
I was able to get the rep deal for an amazing price. I got it in 2 days. Amazing. I put it right next to my 2005. Then gave my 2005 to my other half and I have this big boy in front of me. NIGHT and Day as far as I am concerned. Absolutely no backlight bleeding either. I put clear type on both of them and both work great with MCE 2005 plus I put the cable box on for fun. Great HDTV no problems with DVI yet. I guess HDCP won't be an issue with me anyway. I have the HDTV tuner and an old antenna and can record OTA in HDTV as a backup to my HDTivo. So now I can tape 3 shows at once. woo hoo. I'm very impressed with this Dell monitor.

[dusk]

Originally posted by qpham
Is the DVI input port of the 2005 will work with HDTV set top box or DVD player with DVI port output. I love the price of the 2005, only about half of the 2405.

I bought the 2405 for almost the same price as the 2005. Either monitor looks to be a great value though.

Earlier a specs link was posted for the panel used in the 2405. However the link did not point to the correct panel, the LTM240M1 versus what was posted, the LTM240W1. The correct link is below.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/Monitors_n_Industrial/LTM240M1/LTM240M1.htm

[Wizziwig]

This is my first LCD, so here's a quick review from a long-time CRT user:

Pros:

1) Excellent for text. As a programmer, I would love to use this for work since it's much sharper than any CRT I've worked with.

2) Very bright. I cranked the brightness to lowest setting (0) and it's still brighter than my old CRT.

3) Ghosting/motion blur are minimal and should not present a problem for most users.

Cons:

1) Blacks are pretty poor (especially in a darkened room). Depending on the position of your eyes, the color changes from dark gray to dark blue. I guess I was expecting more than is currently possible from LCD.

2) Color reproduction is very inconsistent. Most dark colors (grays, browns, etc.) will shift color drastically if you move your head even a little. Even if you're perfectly perpendicular to the screen, the outer edges will still show a difference in color. This color shift is also noticeable when objects move across the screen. The problem is not as noticeable on brighter colors and general PC usage. Being a PVA panel, I guess this is normal.

3) My panel has 3 stuck pixels. Possibly more... I stopped counting since I'm not going to keep it.


Most of my gripes have nothing to do with this particular monitor but LCD technology in general. It's definitely not for everyone and I strongly suggest everyone read about the potential issues before making a purchase. Great LCD guide at:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.html

-Mark

[psycho]

so does this monitor support 16:9 or just 4:3 and 16:10? I want to get one and use as Computer/HD monitor.

[stromm]

Well, I got mine today (in a damaged box, but no damage to the monitor.

It's AWSOME.

More later.

[Axel Olmos]

Mine arrived. I have literally been waiting 5 years for a 24" flat panel. I remember when the Samsung 240T was $8K list. I have 0 bad pixels. I just adjusted my gamma to 0 in Windows, and my blacks are amazingly black. Forget about CRT vs. LCD for a minute. Is this not the best 23/24" panel there is? I would be mad too if I had some bad pixels, but I was one of the lucky ones. This panel is fantastic, and I have only used it an hour so far, but I can't imagine not being happy with it if it continues to perform as it is right now when typing this message. I didn't notice any ghosting. I don't see any problems with the colors. The backlighting is even and perfect. The stand, which some have said is ugly, looks better in person. I could always get a VESA mount if I wanted with the savings in cost of this panel versus others in the same range. (I personally don't think its ugly, but I'm not very artistic when it comes to monitor stands.) Dell has really provided value to the customer and I am one happy computer user right now.

[dpc123]

Fists I'd appreciate a PM as I'm not having much luck with the 3 Dell reps I've called. Thanks!

[PlasmicMike]

I got mine in today also. A mini review:

Great text / colors / blacks. Honestly, it really does looks great. I'm looking at an HD WMV clip (amazon) and the night black looks incredible.

The uniformity of the blacks is very good, but there's some occasional disparity. I had the HP 2304 (similiar to the 2335) and I thought the blacks were significantly less uniform - very blotchy occasionally.

No dead pixels, but I'm not running any tests to look. I've glanced over the screen and don't notice anything, so I'm content as is.

Anyone running CS on this - what resolution are you using? My 2.8 P4 / 9800 Pro can't really do 1900 x 1200, but the lower 16:10 resolution really looked poor (IMO). I haven't played any other games with it.

There definitely is a little motion blur. Whether its bad or not depends on the user, I notice it mostly dragging windows around - much more than a video clip.

I've got a bunch of tweaks to do I think. I wish the DVI allowed more adjustments - it looks like basically the ONLY option with DVI is brightnes... I need to fix the way it scales, so I guess I"ll have to hook it up with a VGA cable.

Anyways - very happy owner here.

Mike

[Wizziwig]

Here's a test image from Shrek where I noticed the poor blacks and shifting colors. If you have a 2405, try displaying this in the center of your screen (or wallpaper) and see if you notice the color issues in the background as you move your head. Same thing would happen if such an object moved across the screen and you didn't move at all. I find it too distracting but if you like LCD's, it's probably not going to bother you. I think IPS panels are a little better at this sort of thing but their black levels are much worse.

This was my main problem with the display. The stuck pixels wouldn't be an issue for me since they are very hard to see at such high resolution.

-Mark

[irkuck]

Originally posted by PlasmicMike
I got mine in today also. A mini review:
Anyone running CS on this - what resolution are you using? My 2.8 P4 / 9800 Pro can't really do 1900 x 1200, but the lower 16:10 resolution really looked poor (IMO). I haven't played any other games with it.
There definitely is a little motion blur. Whether its bad or not depends on the user, I notice it mostly dragging windows around - much more than a video clip.
I've got a bunch of tweaks to do I think. I wish the DVI allowed more adjustments - it looks like basically the ONLY option with DVI is brightnes... I need to fix the way it scales, so I guess I"ll have to hook it up with a VGA cable.
Anyways - very happy owner here.
Mike

Running SUCH a monitor not in native resolution via DVI is barbarian:D.
If you see motion blur when dragging windows (!) one suspects you have problem with graphics adapter settings. AFAIK 9800 Pro does 1920 easily.

[napereira]

Hello,

Can anybody PM me on the info for this deal? Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.

NP

[Fists_of_Legend]

Originally posted by dpc123
Fists I'd appreciate a PM as I'm not having much luck with the 3 Dell reps I've called. Thanks!

Check your PM

[dw102800]

dell is saying ___ minimum. can someone hit me with a pm on how you get the better pricing than that?

[zeroendless]

Can somebody confirm, component in with both 1080i/720p on 2405.
Can you control the brigtness, contrast, color and list extra if it has more. Does all the controls work?? Having gone tho 5x2005 and none of them really working :D(RGB and DVI not component), i thought i should asked before going for the kill.

[PlasmicMike]

Originally posted by irkuck
Running SUCH a monitor not in native resolution via DVI is barbarian:D.
If you see motion blur when dragging windows (!) one suspects you have problem with graphics adapter settings. AFAIK 9800 Pro does 1920 easily.

Oh, my desktop is native - that's not a problem. I'm talking about CounterStrike (CS) resolution. It can't handle running that at native without decreasing texture details etc. I end up getting 20-70 FPS.

Anyone running CS on it? I tried a bunch of resolutions in 4:3, 16:9, 16:10 and nothing was really 'impressive'. I don't have the latest driver, maybe that's an issue - but the latest driver TOTALLY fuchs some of my programs up so it's not really an option. Maybe it's time for a new PC :)

I just checked out some of my OpenGL programs I've written - they look so much better on this monitor compared to my old Compaq 1220 - which was a POS so it's not a great comparrison.

Oh, for some good HD clips check out:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx

You will notice what Wizziwig documents - during scenes that transition from absolute black to some shading, the disparity in the black is noticable. This isn't a 'perfect' monitor - but for someone who uses it 90% for computing, this is exactly what I've been waiting for.

-Mike

[Lore]

Can anyone tell me that when all of their computers are off and the monitor is in the Self-Test mode with the floating color bars, whether they can hear a slight whirring noise from the right-rear of the monitor?

There have been reports of some noise in this monitor from the [H] forums and I have the same noise. Wanted to find out whether it was a certain batch of them or if all of them have the slight noise.

[Wizziwig]

In case anyone is interested, here's a way to get into the service/factory menu on this display:

1) Hold menu and '+' buttons (3rd and 5th buttons from left) while powering on the unit.
2) Press menu button (5th button from left) and select "Factory Reset"
3) Select "Factory" at the bottom of the menu.

You will get a menu that looks like this:
http://www.geocities.com/miike232001/124.jpg

Looks like your regular color adjustments (gain/bias) and access to the Genesis Gm1601 scaler/deinterlacer chip (http://www.gnss.com/products/gm1601.phtml).

Hope someone with calibration equipment can share some good settings. :)

-Mark

Edit: Be sure to ALWAYS write down all information before touching anything on a service menu. These settings are different on each monitor and you don't want to lose them!

[Wizziwig]

Has anyone tried this with a source that requires HDCP on its DVI output? The Genesis controller chip used in this panel supports HDCP but it may be disabled if Dell didn't pay the licensing fee.

[Lore]

Wizziwig,

Thanks! Will have to give that a shot.

[stromm]

Originally posted by PlasmicMike
Oh, my desktop is native - that's not a problem. I'm talking about CounterStrike (CS) resolution. It can't handle running that at native without decreasing texture details etc. I end up getting 20-70 FPS.

Anyone running CS on it? I tried a bunch of resolutions in 4:3, 16:9, 16:10 and nothing was really 'impressive'. I don't have the latest driver, maybe that's an issue - but the latest driver TOTALLY fuchs some of my programs up so it's not really an option. Maybe it's time for a new PC :)


-Mike

CS1 or CS-Source?

When I got my 2405 I immediately switch CS1 over to 1920x1200. I get a steady 100fps. I also have the 9800Pro/128mb, but I'm running a 2.8ghz P4 on a true Intel motherboard. I'm running a Gig of RAM too. It's possible that your motherboard/RAM are the bottleneck

If you don't have the latest video drivers, update to them. Also I did install the .inf file for the monitor.

[greg_boz]

Another PM request please, frustrated Olevia 32" shopper seeks alternative =)

[irkuck]

Can anybody compare Samsung 243T and the new Dell? Both are Samsung
glass. I am interested how much the PQ increased between the two glasses?
The 243T is good, BL (black level) is not, well, shining.

[chris5977]

PlasmicMike

Use the omega drivers. You'll get 20fps bump.

http://www.omegadrivers.net/

[Fists_of_Legend]

Originally posted by greg_boz
Another PM request please, frustrated Olevia 32" shopper seeks alternative =)

Boz

Zeroendless

Check your PM.....

[ArborBarber]

Hi All,
Just to add my 2 cents...I had recently picked up the HP 2335, wasn't very happy with the unit I received. It had a stuck pixel dead smack in the middle of the screen and it also made a hideous capacitor whine when powered down...I had dogs three blocks down howling when I powered the unit off! Rma'ed it for a full refund. Picked up the Dell 2405FP...not one dead pixel, and no whinning! The neighbors all say,"Thank You Dell!!" So far it looks like a very decent lcd, played 1 dvd on it and it looked pretty decent. I have an SLI setup with 2 6800 ultras and an FX55 cpu. I'll be putting in a sound blaster audigy ll zs today and hooking up a logitec 5500 digital 5.1 speaker setup to the SB. Can anyone offer any suggestions to what software I can use to fine tune the monitor, if thats even possible?
There is some software that came with the ultras but I'm not real familar with it. Any help would be appreciated. I'm using DVI to DVI so I'm not sure how much tweaking I'll be able to do with the monitor. The 2405fp has alot of bells and whistles...will be trying out the card readers and usb ports over the next few days...will let you know how it goes. If anyone would like me to test anything out on the monitor just let me know what and how and I'll relay the results.

[Daniel THB]

Add one more to the list of people looking for a PM! Thanks.

Also, a question. If you use this monitor as an HDTV through a HD cable box (like the motorola 6412) into the component input, how does the monitor know what resolution to use? Will it automatically sync to whatever 1080i requires? What would happen if I changed the setting on the HD box from 1080i to 480p or 720p (don't even remember if the box supports 720p so this is a hypo).

Also, there's been little discussion of how the monitor handles regular TV signals. A relative of mine recently purchased a Sony LCD (KLV-32M1) and I was pleasantly surprised at how well regular cable looked on it -- I assumed it was a combination of exceptionally good cable reception and a decent upconverter in the TV. So how would the Dell compare? Does it even have an upconverter? Even if it didn't, I believe that my motorola box is able to take NTSC and upconvert to 480p (but not 1080i). In any event, someone please talk more about the feasibility of watching TV on this baby!

Oh, one more question (sorry!). Is the lack of remote control a big deal for TV use? Couldn't I just leave it on all the time? Don't all monitors turn themselves "off" or go into some hibernation or suspend mode when there's no signal? Thanks a bunch!!

[SUOrangeman]

My 2405 is slated to arrive on Tuesday. Right now, I only intend to use it as an HD display. I hope to pick up an SA 8300HD DVR from my cable company. As this DVR has HDMI output, I'm trying to figure out if I need and adapter with disngle-link or dual-link DVI on the other end.

A. Can someone confirm that the 2045 has a dual-link connector (http://http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2405fpw/English/setup.htm)?

B. What cables come with the 2405? If DVI, is if single- or dual-link?

(I bought three 1800FPs from Dell about two years ago. It has a dual-link connector on the panel, but shipped with single-link cables.)

C. Although I understand single-link DVI supports 1920x1200 @ 60Hz and keeping in mind the HDMI source from my cable provider, would I stand to gain any *HD pciture* quality if I used a dual-link (http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orders6.cgi?action=Showitem&partno=01742&search=HDMI&rsite=pccables.com) (image (http://www.pccable.com/images/01742.jpg)) versus a single-link (http://www.buyextras.com/6fehdmamasil.html) (image (http://store1.yimg.com/I/buyextras_1832_10049021)) HDMI-to-DVI adapter?

Thanks in advance!

-SUO

[Peter740]

You can forget about hooking up your cable box to the 2405 via dvi and all of that mumbo jumbo because the dvi port on the 2405 dosn't support hdcp period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Solfan]

Originally posted by kilmar
Someone on another forum have stated that they were able to use 1920x1200 native on they 8500, so there should be no problem with the new video cards you listed. I am certain about the 6800 and x800.

FWIW, I've been using the Samsung 240t [another 24" LCD] with a lowly Radeon 7500 at 1980x1200p output for a few years now, works perfectly. Just needed to untick "hide modes this monitor cannot display".

This new Dell looks like a beauty, great price too! Non-HDCP does suck, though.
:(

[Daniel THB]

Couple more questions.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but could someone please confirm for me that HDCP compliance (or lack thereof) has no effect on component inputs of a HDTV (or monitor being used as one). Thanks.

Also, does anyone know if the 6600GT video cards have enough power to drive this monitor? Would there be a resolution limitation?

[Solfan]

You lucky recipients of the 2405 should d/l some of the 1080p clips from the fusionhd site [along with the demo player], they look incredible on the Samsung [DVI input]. I've never seen better.

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/Eng/Download/Demo.aspx

[locomo]

I tried DVI from a TW SA3250 and received the protection warning, so no go here. Also saw a lot of combing on HDNet's Smallville Thursday during high motion scenes (but that show does have some really fast motion:) Did not see this on fast motion video on the same channel. This was in 1080i via component. Component has hue/tint, saturation, brightness, and contrast. No bad pixels here also.
I bought it for a computer screen (which it does reall well), so the HD component input is mostly gravy. I wish it did have HDCP DVI, a remote, and less buttons to push for PIP(you will use it if you have external HD in conjuction w/ a PC) but definetly worthwhile. Rear power input states 100-240v 50-60hz 2A for anyone wanting one in the real world.
lo

[zeroendless]

Component has hue/tint, saturation, brightness, and contrast

Have you tried all these function as it work?

[Wizziwig]

Originally posted by locomo
I tried DVI from a TW SA3250 and received the protection warning, so no go here. Also saw a lot of combing on HDNet's Smallville Thursday during high motion scenes (but that show does have some really fast motion:) Did not see this on fast motion video on the same channel. This was in 1080i via component.
lo

Too bad about the HDCP. It's really unfortunate because the hardware in this monitor actually supports it. But at these prices, I'm not surprised Dell didn't pay the licensing fee to enable the feature. The service menu exposes all the Genesis gm1601 control registers - I wonder if HDCP could be enabled manually? We would need to obtain a manual for this controller chip.

As for the combing artifacts... I also noticed a weird ripple/wave along the edges of fast moving objects and/or screen panning. This was on SHO-HD during 'Italian Job'. This wasn't really combing because the waves were much larger than scanlines - very noticeable.

-Mark

[martyj19]

Originally posted by Daniel THB
Couple more questions.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but could someone please confirm for me that HDCP compliance (or lack thereof) has no effect on component inputs of a HDTV (or monitor being used as one). Thanks.

Also, does anyone know if the 6600GT video cards have enough power to drive this monitor? Would there be a resolution limitation?

HDCP is a protocol only over DVI or HDMI. It isn't relevant on component inputs.

Remember that there are several manufacturers that produce video cards using the 6600 chipset. So you may have variations in what is claimed. Last I looked it is very very difficult to find a specification of what the maximum resolution over DVI is, but almost every VGA specification is 2048 x 1536.

[Peter740]

I would like anyone here to name one pc or mac monitor under $1000 dollars any size that is widescreen that supports HDCP via DVI!!!! NONE! This is meant for use as a monitor... NOT hidef tv! I don't know why everyone is making a big stink this doesn't support hdcp... This is not meant to be a hidef tv and that is why no hdcp support... If you want hdcp support then this or any other MONITOR that is under 1000 is not a option for you... CASE close!

[locomo]

Originally posted by Wizziwig
As for the combing artifacts... I also noticed a weird ripple/wave along the edges of fast moving objects and/or screen panning. This was on SHO-HD during 'Italian Job'. This wasn't really combing because the waves were much larger than scanlines - very noticeable.

-Mark

That's what I saw; sorry for the misnomer. But, on the fast motion HD video
I DON'T see it. Can you say firmware upgrade, please, Mr. DELL.

quote:
"Have you tried all these function as it work?"
It work.

Per
desertdome,
stated earlier in this thread.
ATI vs NV DVI at this resolution:
http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041129/index.html
found this also:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1368026,00.asp

Peter740,

Agreed.
And Thanks for the GREAT Deal.
lo

[onthejazz]

Originally posted by Peter740
I would like anyone here to name one pc or mac monitor under $1000 dollars any size that is widescreen that supports HDCP via DVI!!!! NONE! This is meant for use as a monitor... NOT hidef tv! I don't know why everyone is making a big stink this doesn't support hdcp... This is not meant to be a hidef tv and that is why no hdcp support... If you want hdcp support then this or any other MONITOR that is under 1000 is not a option for you... CASE close!

If this is not mean to be used as a HDTV / HD Display Device, then why have the component inputs. And the hardware in the monitor DOES support HDCP, its just a matter of fact that it isn't enabled.
Now given this, is it possible to enable, either internally or from the factory menu mentioned by Wizziwig here:

"In case anyone is interested, here's a way to get into the service/factory menu on this display:

1) Hold menu and '+' buttons (3rd and 5th buttons from left) while powering on the unit.
2) Press menu button (5th button from left) and select "Factory Reset"
3) Select "Factory" at the bottom of the menu.

You will get a menu that looks like this:
http://www.geocities.com/miike232001/124.jpg

Looks like your regular color adjustments (gain/bias) and access to the Genesis Gm1601 scaler/deinterlacer chip (http://www.gnss.com/products/gm1601.phtml).

Hope someone with calibration equipment can share some good settings." ?

[Alex]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Amagus
Does the component input on this monitor maintain the correct aspect ratio of 16:9 or does it stretch it to 16:10 like the early HP 23" monitors? I guess you would need a DVD player or XBox to test this.

-Amagus
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by kilmar
You can choose to do either in the OSD.
Can you please clarify how this is possible? There are only 3 options - 1:1, Fill and Aspect and neither of them could I use to display 16:9 picture within the 16:10 screen fed from S-video or Component input.

[Robin]

Originally posted by Peter740
I would like anyone here to name one pc or mac monitor under $1000 dollars any size that is widescreen that supports HDCP via DVI!!!! NONE! This is meant for use as a monitor... NOT hidef tv! I don't know why everyone is making a big stink this doesn't support hdcp... This is not meant to be a hidef tv and that is why no hdcp support... If you want hdcp support then this or any other MONITOR that is under 1000 is not a option for you... CASE close! Case reopened.

Everybody has permission to continue discussion. Those who are disinterested can tune out. Just because something is not typically found at a particular price point doesn't have to stop progress towards better and more feature-filled products at a lower price point. I have found the discussion to be very interesting, educational and apt.

Thank you.

[billd]

How does SD look on this set? Anybody tried it out?

Also how does the PIP look with the TV and Computer at the same time. Multitasking might get a lot easier for me!

Can someone clarify whether the following connection would encounter any of the HDCP issues: Component output from Comcast HD Cable Box direct to Monitor.

Any issues with that?

Also, would sound from the "TV" (cable box) be sent to my computer speakers? Stupid question, but how does the audio signal get to my computer from the cable box?

[Daniel THB]

Originally posted by billd
How does SD look on this set? Anybody tried it out?

Also how does the PIP look with the TV and Computer at the same time. Multitasking might get a lot easier for me!

Can someone clarify whether the following connection would encounter any of the HDCP issues: Component output from Comcast HD Cable Box direct to Monitor.

Any issues with that?

Also, would sound from the "TV" (cable box) be sent to my computer speakers? Stupid question, but how does the audio signal get to my computer from the cable box?

From what I've read on this thread and in other places, there are no HDCP issues over the component inputs, but that doesn't necessarily mean that comcast HD will work perfectly. I too have comcast HD and want to know how compatible it is, for both HD and SD. Specifically, how screen size and stretch works -- can someone confirm that you can manually toggle the screen size between 16x9 and 4x3 on the monitor itself? Also, there hasn't been too much discussion about how SD looks on the Dell. Does the Dell even have an upconvertor to show SD at a higher resolution? Is that what the Genesis chip is? I just don't understand this stuff very well.

As far as sound goes, if you want to use your computer speakers, I'm not sure how you'd go about it. I assume these are standard powered speakers that plug into the back of the computer? If that's the case you'd have to find a way to run audio from the cable box to the computer (if the computer had audio inputs) and then make sure to have your computer on all the time, or hook it up to your computer speakers directly, in which case you'd need some sort of a Y adapter.

[stephenC]

Originally posted by Peter740
I would like anyone here to name one pc or mac monitor under $1000 dollars any size that is widescreen that supports HDCP via DVI!!!! NONE! This is meant for use as a monitor... NOT hidef tv! I don't know why everyone is making a big stink this doesn't support hdcp... This is not meant to be a hidef tv and that is why no hdcp support... If you want hdcp support then this or any other MONITOR that is under 1000 is not a option for you... CASE close!

Peter - I completely agree with you, but I would add that there is a lot of buzz in the CE industry about the convergence of entertainment and information in the home. Take Microsoft's Media Center Edition operating system for example. If the manufacturers really want this "convergence" to happen, then they need to start providing pieces to make it so. Once all the pieces work together, the convergence will happen.

[Peter740]

StephenC,

I hope that you are right...

[desertdome]

Originally posted by Daniel THB
Specifically, how screen size and stretch works -- can someone confirm that you can manually toggle the screen size between 16x9 and 4x3 on the monitor itself? Also, there hasn't been too much discussion about how SD looks on the Dell. Does the Dell even have an upconvertor to show SD at a higher resolution? Is that what the Genesis chip is? I just don't understand this stuff very well.

Here are the three screen size modes that can be chosen under "Image Settings" in the main menu of of the OSD and a description of each:

1:1 - You see exactly the same number of pixels as the source material. For a DVD, you would see 720x480 pixels (or less depending on the aspect ration of the DVD) being used in the middle of the screen. No scaling takes place.

Fill - The source material is scaled to a 16:10 ratio and fills the entire screen.

Aspect - The source material is kept in its orginal aspect ratio, yet scaled to fit as much of the screen as possible. 4:3 material will fill the screen vertically, but have narrow black bars on the sides. 16:9 material will fill the screen horizontally, but have black bars at the top and bottom.

Last night I hooked a VCR up to the component input on the 2405fpw. I chose aspect and the correct 4:3 ratio filled the screen vertically. However, when I shut everything off and turned it back on my image was stretched horizontally rather than scaled vertically. I had to cycle through the inputs before it showed the image properly.

The Genesis GM1601 provides "high-quality advanced scaling." Genesis makes the integrated circuits for Faroudja video processors. Faroudja is a division of Genesis Microchip. Here is a PDF with more information: http://www.gnss.com/products/C1601-PBR-01D.PDF

Michael

[kilmar]

Originally posted by Alex
Can you please clarify how this is possible? There are only 3 options - 1:1, Fill and Aspect and neither of them could I use to display 16:9 picture within the 16:10 screen fed from S-video or Component input.

I use Aspect and it shows 16:9 picture with bars on top and bottom. Fill would stretch the picture to fill the whole screen giving it an elongated view.

[martyj19]

Originally posted by Robin
Case reopened.

Everybody has permission to continue discussion. Those who are disinterested can tune out. Just because something is not typically found at a particular price point doesn't have to stop progress towards better and more feature-filled products at a lower price point. I have found the discussion to be very interesting, educational and apt.

Thank you.

Life is getting better. Two years ago it was very rare to find a display that could do both. Lack of overscan compensation was a major stumbling block. Now it is common to find a display that can do both but there are still some compromises.

You are better off starting from the TV side and looking for something that does computer display well, rather than the reverse. This primarily because of the HDCP issue, which few if any displays designed as monitors support. It stands to reason that monitor vendors don't want to pay for a feature that won't be used very often. Or you can go component, which personally would grate on me on a fixed pixel display. On the monitor side you also have poor to nonexistent image processing to minimize artifacting.

On the TV side, we have poor support for lots of resolutions and poor support for power management as stumbling blocks.

[markrubin]

re No HDCP

I think (not sure) that if the DVI input was HDCP, you could not drive the monitor at NR 1920x1200:

it would be limited by the HDCP firmware

I doubt that Dell left out HDCP because of licensing fees :)

[Alex]

Originally posted by kilmar
I use Aspect and it shows 16:9 picture with bars on top and bottom. Fill would stretch the picture to fill the whole screen giving it an elongated view.
Well, to clarify for others, I'm feeding 16:9 SD (720x576i) via YPrPb into 2405FPW, and it does not create black areas on top and bottom but instead goes all the way to top of screen.
Originally posted by desertdome
Aspect - The source material is kept in its orginal aspect ratio, yet scaled to fit as much of the screen as possible. 4:3 material will fill the screen vertically, but have narrow black bars on the sides. 16:9 material will fill the screen horizontally, but have black bars at the top and bottom
So, if indeed this is how it's meant to work, then at least for 576i, 2405FPW (cannot treat it as a 16:9 and ) automatically assumes that it can only be 4:3. Which means bad news for 576i DVD-players and SDTV-decoders.

[greg_boz]

martyj19,

You seem pretty knowledgeable about LCDs from both the TV and PC side of the equation, can you recommend a display that can do both? If not, is there anything coming down the pipeline in the next few months?

[martyj19]

That's very kind of you to say. Unfortunately there are some manufacturers I know next to nothing about their product line, so I might be missing an obvious choice. Were I personally to plunk down money today, I would go for a Sharp LC26GD6U. Others may have some ideas.

And, I have no visibility into what is coming in the future except for what I read here.

[neomoz]

Well i got some confirmation that the dell supports 50hz hd signals via component so i've ordered one. I plan on using this monitor solely for pc and console hd gaming, hence i'm not concerned about HDCP, since consoles won't support that annoying standard because there is no reason to. I'll post impressions as soon as i get the beast.

[syncro]

Originally posted by Daniel THB
....but that doesn't necessarily mean that comcast HD will work perfectly. I too have comcast HD and want to know how compatible it is, for both HD and SD. Specifically, how screen size and stretch works -- can someone confirm that you can manually toggle the screen size between 16x9 and 4x3 on the monitor itself? Also, there hasn't been too much discussion about how SD looks on the Dell. Does the Dell even have an upconvertor to show SD at a higher resolution? Is that what the Genesis chip is? I just don't understand this stuff very well.



There were many mentions of the SD quality in previous posts (including mine).

I am not sure I undestand "how compatible is is"? Component video is component video. Any TV or monitor that can display component video is by definition compatible. I think you meant how good of a job it does with that analog signal. That varies from monitor to monitor depending on the converter chipset they use, the software it runs and of course the hardware specification of the panel they use. Some do much better than others.

The Dell uses a Samsung PVA, 12ms panel, so we know they have a great panel to start with (assuming they do not use the secondary bin panels).

The Genesis chip is a solid performer and it shows. There is no doubt that the monitor is meant for HD content, especially progressive. So here's the breakdown from my 6 days with the monitor so far:

- HD 1080p
Best PQ that I have even seen, absent the new Aquos 45" 1920x1200. Rock solid, no weave on smooth gradients, great color reproduction, high contrast, vivid.
- HD 1080i
Very good performance, good interlacing, seems a little susceptible to compression artifacts, some slight weaving and some motion blur on very fast action on regions of high contast (but that could be the Comcast signal). Best way to observe it is by comparing Discovery HD vs FOX HD.
- HD 720p
Very good performance, no weaving, solid steady picture
- SD 480p
Suprisingly good jo upconverting. Fill mode does a good job, so it doesn't look too strretched. Blacks do suffer though, especially dark grays with pitch black (Kill Bill V2; the coffin scene). Some slight jaggies up close. Pretty smooth from 8-12 feet.
- SD 480i
Pretty decent upconversion but the low resolution is apparent, as expected with any HD set.

Once of the least talked about issues with computer monitors that double as HD sets is the relative quality perception gap. That is an unfortunate by-product of the high resolution of computer LCDs and it's going to get worse. When you move from 1920x1200 PC computer graphics (say a 8Mpxl image) and from text where everyting is increadibly clear, rock solid, vivid and super-sharp, to an SD signal in less than 4 seconds, the dropoff of PQ is gigantic. The perception for almost everyone is that the SD PQ is terrible.

But if you were to go from your computer monitor at you desk to your living room on your HD set and look at SD content after, let's say, 5 minutes, it may look OK. Nothing changed between the two scenarios, but for the users' perception.

It's like sucking on a lemon and then immediatelly tasting wine. I do not care if it is a Chateaux Margot, it tastes bland and flat, if it tastes at all.

Or traveling at 100mph on the highway for an hour and then having to immediately slow down to 50mph. You feel like you are crawling.

[PigsOnTheWing]

I, too, would love to receive a PM with info on how to get a better price out of Dell on this monitor. It sounds like a winner!

Thanks!

[greg_boz]

syncro,

Could you further describe the HDTV possibilities this display presents? How can one feel comfortable about the HDCP issue? Do you suggest a PC HDTV tuner card?

[x_filed]

Could somebody PM me too on how to get a great deal on this monitor too. I see that if I order a computer with it it is cheaper but I do not see any that I want right now. Thanks

[martyj19]

Originally posted by greg_boz
syncro,

Could you further describe the HDTV possibilities this display presents? How can one feel comfortable about the HDCP issue? Do you suggest a PC HDTV tuner card?

The major problem with the HD through PC route is encrypted signals and, last time I looked, some implementation bugs with QAM. The HD Recorders forum goes into these issues in some detail. Also limited to OTA and cable; no ability to put a satellite signal into PC.

If I could just comment on the "component is component" claim; the L2335 had an issue where it stretches 16:9 component material to 16:10. This was unacceptable to quite a few here. And of course there is the 720/1080 spec for component, and the 480i/480p spec for component.

[DDD]

Originally posted by x_filed
Could somebody PM me too on how to get a great deal on this monitor too. I see that if I order a computer with it it is cheaper but I do not see any that I want right now. Thanks

Ditto!

[Drake]

Originally posted by x_filed
Could somebody PM me too on how to get a great deal on this monitor too. I see that if I order a computer with it it is cheaper but I do not see any that I want right now. Thanks

Yup, double ditto here too. I need to get hooked up with this baby!

Thanks

[stromm]

What amazes me about this LCD is the quality of 1280x1024 and 1600x1200.

Usually running at a non-native resolution makes everything look horrible. Not on this screen.

[syncro]

Originally posted by martyj19

If I could just comment on the "component is component" claim; the L2335 had an issue where it stretches 16:9 component material to 16:10. This was unacceptable to quite a few here. And of course there is the 720/1080 spec for component, and the 480i/480p spec for component.

That's precisily what my reply alluded to. The Y, Pb, Pr cables carry the same analog signal if the destination is a plasma, LCD, DirectView or anything else that accepts component input. How that device implements those signals is what matters and what I believe the other guy was really inquiring about.

In your case of the HP 23" LCD, the issue probably lies with either the chipset or the features of that chipset that HP decided to implement in their version. Most of the time, you have 1:1 and Aspect modes in most of the LCDs. I have not had any experience with the HP one, but the above two modes are the simplest to implement, since there is no need for complex algorithms.

They read the scan rate (H and V) and luminance (Y), Red minus luminance (Pr) and Blue minus luminance (Pb). Then they use their own properietary algorithms to upconvert, downconvert, scale, color balance, etc to provide the picture (an good example of that, is the properietary and patented DCDi Farujda algorithms).

Fill or Stretch modes are much trickier since you want to avoid overstretching or oversqueezing. The latest algorithms, try to stretch the edges of the screen more than the center. The demos I have seen lately, do a great job filling a 16:9 to a 16:10 and a decent job at squeezing 4:3 to a 16:9 (much much tougher).

Are you saying that the HP on aspect mode was stretching a 16:9 to a 16:10? It didn't add the black bars at the top and bottom?
If that is the case, I would be very unhappy too. Very, WTF-give-me-an-RMA unhappy.

Here's a rough analogy ( I hope I am not belaboring the point):
Just like any computer that has a USB connection, will allow you to connect USB devices (USB is USB), Some computers have USB 1.1, others USB 2.0. Some may run an operating system that has drivers for that device , other run OSes that don't. The point is, that it's the implementation and software setup of the USB chip that makes all the difference. Asking whether a computer with USB ports is compatible with USB is redundant. By definition the electrical connections are the same and it adheres to the minimum USB 1.0 spec.