Official 2005 Pioneer Thread:(4350,5050,920,1120)

[gohd]

[QUOTE=sharpeye]just bought the sammy 5031 but not happy with dvd quality i have 5 days to return !!! i just found a great price on the eltite pro810 43" should i switch please help me on this!!! i heard all the probs with the sammy and i am experiencing them all!! should i gowith the elite 43" or keep the sammy??!!! please help me with this[/QUOTE]
Return the Samsung and do some research. Dont just get something because it's cheap. Good deals come along all the time.

[mooneydriver]

Gohd is right. You usually get what you pay for, unless it's a Fujitsu. In that case, you get much less than what you paid for (in terms of features). :rolleyes:

[rentwist]

[QUOTE=sharpeye]just bought the sammy 5031 but not happy with dvd quality i have 5 days to return !!! i just found a great price on the eltite pro810 43" should i switch please help me on this!!! i heard all the probs with the sammy and i am experiencing them all!! should i gowith the elite 43" or keep the sammy??!!! please help me with this[/QUOTE]

Buy the PIO. Probably the smartest buy you'll ever make in plasma. I have a 50", and I try tell everyone it's the "best damn tv outa da box...period"

[rentwist]

[QUOTE=mooneydriver]Oops ... Peter: my "chopped liver" comment was not about the DVD discussion -- it was about the thread about them newfangled 6th gen Pioneers -- nobody posts around here anymore!

Ray: thanks for the compliments, but my dated knowledge about 5th generation Pioneers is now as valuable as Enron stock. Suddenly I feel really old! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Sometimes TIME not only marches on....it marches OVER us...ray

[plasmalvr]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]It could be one of 3 things:

1. Poor signal in your house
2. Bad Cable Card
3. You Cable Co was having transmition problems.

Your best bet is to call your Cable Co to setup a service call.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. It must be #3 because the signal for the picture was great last night and tonight.

[pstrisik]

[QUOTE=rentwist]Sometimes TIME not only marches on....it marches OVER us...ray[/QUOTE]
Ahh, that 2006 thread only has a fifth of the replies as this one. That whippersnapper's still wet behind the ears!

[GAR1969]

Hello from a newbie plasm owner. Picked up my 4351 last week from BB and although it's listed as a 4351 , the box the display was in has PDP4350HD and the display has PDP435PU on it so other than the wall mount it is a 4350. Not sure what the big box that everything was in had on it since we took it all out at the store to fit it in my van.Darn that box was big!!!
Also i was at one BB that said they nor another BB store close by had any in stock,but when i got home and called the other store they had one in stock even though the website also said they were out.

Great display and i am super happy with my purchase. Better than i expected actually.Makes my old PIO SDP 4571 look like garbage. Has anyone else had good results using an XBOX with the HD adaptor for DVD's?It has a better picture than the 2 dedicated dvd players i have tried. One is a Samsung w/480p the other a Pani also with 480p.

Great forum
GAR

[sharpeye]

thanks ill let you know how the new pio turns out after i watch my yankees kick some ass the next couple of days but seriously ty for helpin

[Evangelo2]

[QUOTE=Albert C. Lee]You need to feed both the video and audio from your DVR to your TV, otherwise the audio will never sync up... DVRs are usually up to 2 seconds behind real-time, so if you're feeding your audio straight, your audio will be ahead of your video.[/QUOTE]

Hello All,
I noticed lip sync issues as well last night. I am not using a DVR, just a Sony SAT-HD300 with D* using component cables. everything is routed directly to the MR of the 5050. I have a HD TiVo coming next month that will be hooked up via HDMI. I hope this solves the porblem as it is distracting to me...
-Evangelo2

[gohd]

[QUOTE=sharpeye]thanks ill let you know how the new pio turns out after i watch my yankees kick some ass the next couple of days but seriously ty for helpin[/QUOTE]
Let us know how it works out for you. I don't think you'll regret the purchase. IMO, a true HD feed of a baseball game cannot be beat, so I think you'll be a happy camper.

[ColdBrew]

I saw this asked earlier with no answer, but I'll ask myself.

I connected my 4350 to my PC through the firewire connection. I have the drivers installed on the PC side and it seems quite happy.

But on the Pioneer side it says the device can't be controled and won't show me the PC as a device.

Is there anyway I can force the firewire to output to the PC anyways?

[MaliciousBraham]

[QUOTE=Evangelo2]Hello All,
I noticed lip sync issues as well last night. I am not using a DVR, just a Sony SAT-HD300 with D* using component cables. everything is routed directly to the MR of the 5050. I have a HD TiVo coming next month that will be hooked up via HDMI. I hope this solves the porblem as it is distracting to me...
-Evangelo2[/QUOTE]

What show were you watching? I watched the first 5 minutes of LOST last night on abc and it there was Delay in the broadcast stream. I was watching normal SD cable on a 14" CRT. I dont know if it lasted the whole show or not. It was so bad I watched something else...

abc screwed up.

[ColdBrew]

[QUOTE=MaliciousBraham]What show were you watching? I watched the first 5 minutes of LOST last night on abc and it there was Delay in the broadcast stream. I was watching normal SD cable on a 14" CRT. I dont know if it lasted the whole show or not. It was so bad I watched something else...

abc screwed up.[/QUOTE]

Yep it started toward the end of the recap episode. WB was also out of sync but I think that one was the local station.

[Evangelo2]

I was watching Lost...

Thank God it was just ABC! I was freaking out that my new TV was doing some kind of whacky processing and f*ing up my signal somehow. It really was distracting\annoying and hard to watch the lip sync was so off. I noticed that by the time invasion was on it was MUCH better...

-Evangelo2

[popo]

[QUOTE=cammy]Do you know if Costco has this listed on their site? I have not heard of this model releasing. I will indeed check. I know we are possibly getting some of the 5040 models in stock, and the 5050 are completly gone :( there is only 1 4350 left! Its amazing how fast those went without knowing it was going to be gone this soon.

I'm interested to check into the 50A5 about costco having it, I will see if they have it in my costco to scope it out.
Anyone else confirm this at their costco about the 50A5 model?

Cambryn[/QUOTE]

I saw it today in my Costco. [MSRP only please] - no media box. I found on the internet that the unit is the same as 5050HD but connection are on the display instead on the media box. Also has only one HDMI "In"
Peter

[amheck]

[QUOTE=popo]I saw it today in my Costco. It costs $**** - no media box. I found on the internet that the unit is the same as 5050HD but connection are on the display instead on the media box. Also has only one HDMI "In"
Peter[/QUOTE]

For $1000, it might be tempting to give up the one HDMI and the media receiver box and go with the Costco model.

[popo]

Gentlemen,
I can get 5040 -display unit for $****..or get a new one 50A5HD form costco (same as 5050 - but no media box) for $[MSRP only please]. Any comments? Is the difference worth $800 ??
Please advise.

[dbruhn]

I just bought a 4350 plasma and seem to get a blur (pixelation) for fast moving objects. It's almost as if it takes time to focus on objects. I thought refresh issues was only a problem for LCD's? I'm using Comcast cable with an RGB connection. Would this issue be an better using a different connection? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

Dan

[gohd]

[QUOTE=dbruhn]I just bought a 4350 plasma and seem to get a blur (pixelation) for fast moving objects. It's almost as if it takes time to focus on objects. I thought refresh issues was only a problem for LCD's? I'm using Comcast cable with an RGB connection. Would this issue be an better using a different connection? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

Dan[/QUOTE]
For me, I've only noticed it from different source materials. DVDs, no problem. Sat HD, no problem. Have only noticed the pixelation from certain OTA HD broadcasts, particularly my local public stations (KCET and KOCE in SoCal area). So, for me, doesn't seem like a connection issue.

[cammy]

We did indeed get the PDP-43A5 models in, rather interesting (I think Pioneer should have included in their rebates!), I have heard it has silver speakers, that 1 hdmi connection and the same glass as the PDP-xx50HD series. Can't wait for the PDP-5060HD models to come in any day now, it sounds awesome!

[redleaf12@usa.ne]

My new Pio 4350 has one stuck pixel (it's stuck on red). I have a couple of questions about stuck pixels:

A) is it better to have a stuck pixel or a dead pixel?
B) Can a stuck pixel ever unstick itself (massaging the pixel doesn't work IMO)?
C) does one stuck pixel have a bandwagon effect on the pixels around it, meaning other pixels will start failing?

I had a HUGE problem with two buzzing Panny 500U's, so I was thrilled when I decided to screw Panny and get the Pio4350. My Pio bliss lasted about 24 hours before the stuck pixel reared its head. I'm considering keep the unit anyway, since I want to get on with my life and stop worrying about defective PDP's and also, the pixel is only noticeable very occasionally. But I'm curious if anyone has any answers to my questions above.
Thanks!

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=redleaf12@usa.ne]
A) is it better to have a stuck pixel or a dead pixel?
B) Can a stuck pixel ever unstick itself (massaging the pixel doesn't work IMO)?
C) does one stuck pixel have a bandwagon effect on the pixels around it, meaning other pixels will start failing?
[/QUOTE]

A) Dead
B) Not to my knowledge
C) Nope

[redleaf12@usa.ne]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]A) Dead
B) Not to my knowledge
C) Nope[/QUOTE]


Why is it better to have a dead pixel, as opposed to a stuck pixel? In my limited experience, isn't there a 1% chance the pixel could unstick, as opposed to a 0% chance a dead pixel could unstick? Plus, my red pixel blends in pretty well with most colors, but a black pixel may stand out more.
Granted, I'm pulling most of this out of my butt, since I have no direct experience with stuck pixels on plasma TV's. Until now, that is.
Thanks.

[eelton]

I feel that a stuck pixel is less of an issue than a dead one. It's really a subpixel that's stuck, as opposed to the whole pixel being off. Also, as redleaf mentions, it often blends in and is unnoticeable unless you get close to the screen and look for it.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=redleaf12@usa.ne]Why is it better to have a dead pixel, as opposed to a stuck pixel? In my limited experience, isn't there a 1% chance the pixel could unstick, as opposed to a 0% chance a dead pixel could unstick? Plus, my red pixel blends in pretty well with most colors, but a black pixel may stand out more.
Granted, I'm pulling most of this out of my butt, since I have no direct experience with stuck pixels on plasma TV's. Until now, that is.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]

I have one dead blue pixel on my 5050. I cannot see it at all unless there is a solid blue screen and I'm sitting 6 inches away. I had a stuck red pixel on my old computer lcd monitor and could not stand it as I could see it all the time...even when I wasn't looking for it.

[doughale]

I have a pdp-4351 and am using an external antenna for OTA reception of HD channels. I am having one problem. I can get my OTA channels recognized using the automatic search and add function in the tuner channel setup section. However, it only picks up the channels in the direction the antenna is pointing. I can rotate the antenna (it is on a rotor) and get additional channels from another direction. However, the only way I can get the channels is to go through the discover option, which effectively erases the previously discovered channels. The add a channel manually does not seem to allow using the "xx.x" channel naming convention. There must be a way to do this, but I am missing it.

[Nuzy]

[QUOTE=doughale]I have a pdp-4351 and am using an external antenna for OTA reception of HD channels. I am having one problem. I can get my OTA channels recognized using the automatic search and add function in the tuner channel setup section. However, it only picks up the channels in the direction the antenna is pointing. I can rotate the antenna (it is on a rotor) and get additional channels from another direction. However, the only way I can get the channels is to go through the discover option, which effectively erases the previously discovered channels. The add a channel manually does not seem to allow using the "xx.x" channel naming convention. There must be a way to do this, but I am missing it.[/QUOTE]
I have the same issue using an indoor antenna. It's a pain in the butt to have to reprogram every time I want to get a particular channel. I'm hoping that buying an outdoor non-directional antenna (eventually) will solve the issue, but if someone knows whether it's possible to add a digital channel manually, I'd also like to know.

[GAR1969]

I have a dead red pixel , can't notice it unless i'm super close.

Doughale, it could take some time but you could always move the antenna a bit and do an auto scan for channels then write them down ,then move the antenna more and write those down and so on till you've gone 360 degrees with the ant. When you figure out all the channel #'s you can receive the go to ,"tuner setup','channel setup','ant A or B '(whichever your using) then 'add channels'.You can then add all the channels in manually. pg 31 in the user manual.

edit , i didn't realise you can't add the digital ones only analog.


GAR

[doughale]

GAR

Thanks for your reply. I already know the channels and the numbers. The question is how to enter channel 4.001 , 4.002....etc. It has already found channel 4, but not the digital channels.

[D-Nice]

doughale,

I think your problem is the antenna and not your plasma. You seem to be in a fringed area...that is why when you change the direction of the antenna you lose and gain channels. I would recommend you find a better antenna, perhaps one with a built in amp. CC has a bowtie antenna that I've found works very well.

[GAR1969]

Now that i look a little closer in the manual , the screen shot they illustrate shows the 0000.000 format but my menu only has the 000 format like yours. Maybe there is a firmware update or something in the service screen that can change it. Maybe you could call pioneer and see what they say.

GAR

[doughale]

GAR....
From another forum I found the answer.

"Just speaking by what my set does, if I input the real channel (I.E. WPVI-DT channel 64) it will change to 6.1 and then pressing "up-channel" will scroll through the multicast channels (if applicable) and commit to memory. YMMV

Just be sure to aim your antenna in the direction of the desired transmitters prior to selecting."

The 64 listed in this example appears to be the frequency assignment for the DT channel as found on the antennaweb site for philadelphia area.

dgh

PS. D-Nice.

This seems to be resolved by clarifying two issues. If you live in an area where the HDTV DT channels come from two distinctly different directions and you are using a directional antenna, then this comes into play, since the autodiscover feature cannot locate the channels that are not in the direction of the antenna. In my case 4 of the stations in my area are at compass direction 144 and the 5th is located at compass direction 288.

According to the information found at another source, the channel you must insert is the channel frequency "actually used by the station" not its automatic translation into the xxx.x format. Unfortunately the manual from Pioneer is silent on this issue.

[redleaf12@usa.ne]

I'm a newbie on this whole subchannel issue, so excuse my ignorance:
While messing around with my new Pio 4350, I started randomly entering subchannels (ie: 94.01, 113.02, 61.013 etc.). Surprisingly, I got a lot of great digital channels I'm not paying for, including all those commerical free radio stations! With the exception of pressing ever single number in God's galaxy, how can I find what networks are on what subchannel? I live in Santa Monica, CA.
Thanks!

[eelton]

[QUOTE=redleaf12@usa.ne]I'm a newbie on this whole subchannel issue, so excuse my ignorance:
While messing around with my new Pio 4350, I started randomly entering subchannels (ie: 94.01, 113.02, 61.013 etc.). Surprisingly, I got a lot of great digital channels I'm not paying for, including all those commerical free radio stations! With the exception of pressing ever single number in God's galaxy, how can I find what networks are on what subchannel? I live in Santa Monica, CA.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Did you try doing an auto channel preset (under tuner setup)? When I did that (before I got a cablecard), it found all of the unscrambled digital channels--including HD--as well as the music channels. The cablecard overrides that scan, but if you've written down the xxx.xxx numbers from the scan, you should be able to enter them directly.

[ColdBrew]

This weekend my 4350 decided it wasn't going to decode our local NBC broadcast. I thought that they had simply had problems and weren't broadcasting, but it turns out it was my Pioneer. It showed a signal strength but wouldn't display any picture or sound.

After rescanning the channels it started working again. But there must be an issue with the receiver to cause that problem...

[redleaf12@usa.ne]

[QUOTE=ColdBrew]This weekend my 4350 decided it wasn't going to decode our local NBC broadcast. I thought that they had simply had problems and weren't broadcasting, but it turns out it was my Pioneer. It showed a signal strength but wouldn't display any picture or sound.

After rescanning the channels it started working again. But there must be an issue with the receiver to cause that problem...[/QUOTE]

That may be a problem with me, as well. Sometimes I'll type in a subchannel and get, for instance, HBO. The next day, I'll type in the same subchannel and get nothing. Other nights, a subchannel that showed strength, but couldn't pull in a picture, suddenly pulls in a picture. Then the next day, it'll go away again.
Why is that and what can be done to insure consistent signal strength on subchannels that are obviously carrying programming?

[jfelbab]

Could be Tropospheric Ducting.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/t/tv/tv-fm_dx4.htm

[ColdBrew]

[QUOTE=redleaf12@usa.ne]That may be a problem with me, as well. Sometimes I'll type in a subchannel and get, for instance, HBO. The next day, I'll type in the same subchannel and get nothing. Other nights, a subchannel that showed strength, but couldn't pull in a picture, suddenly pulls in a picture. Then the next day, it'll go away again.
Why is that and what can be done to insure consistent signal strength on subchannels that are obviously carrying programming?[/QUOTE]

One way to test would be to see what the signal strength is when you can watch it. Then see what the signal strength is when you can't.

If it is as good reception when you can't watch as when you could. There is a problem with the receiver.

Else if the reception is lower then it could just be the weather effecting the reception...

[redleaf12@usa.ne]

I just rescanned the channels on my Pio 4350.
Every subchannel I tested for signal strength, whether that subchannel received a picture or not, got about 35 or 42.
On the subchannels that got no programming, the TV would fart for a second (as if the tuner was trying to pull in a picture), then go to permanent black. I immediately tested that subchannel for signal strength and it would get a 35 or 42.
What should I do?
When you say, "the problem is with the receiver", does that mean the receiver is broken? Or does it mean I should move the receiver to a different location? The receiver is a bit hidden inside an entertainment console. Would moving it outside the entertainment console help?

[doughale]

Readleaf,

Well, I am learning more and more about antenna, and cable connections with my 4351 than I ever expected. Not only do you need to be concerned about the connection between your cable box and the media box you need to be concerned about the whole of the cable connections in your house (by cable I mean cabling, not TWC, Comcast, etc)

I don't think the problem is with your receiver, but rather with the strength of the signal getting to the box. In general, you should be concerned with the number of splitters you have on your incoming signal, (it doesn't matter if it is cable or OTA antenna, or satellite. You should verify that each cable is properly terminated (don't just leave them empty). You should check that all the connections are solid (at the point they enter the house, on the antenna, at the dish, on the cable box, on the dish converter box, etc. You can verify that you have no kinks in the cable runs. All these can degrade the signal getting to your box. You should be concerned with the length of the cable runs, just like you are concerned about the length of the HDMI cable (and its quality).

Personally, over the weekend I experience problems with one sub channel. I monitored it for a while. I had reception strength of 19 - 26. I would get dropouts when it fell for any length of time below 23. Since then I have made some minor adjustments to my antenna direction to increase the signal strength to 30. A marked improvement. Probably will be upgrading my antenna to a more directional uhf antenna in an attempt to get a better signal. Also check out the HDTV/Local HDTV info and reception on avsforum for your locale. You might find reports that the stations was having problems. Also check out the HDTV/HDTV Hardware forum...you might find some insights there.

Good luck.

[redleaf12@usa.ne]

Doughale,
Thanks for your reply.
Because I'm so freakin' ignorant, I need to ask the following embarassing questions:
I live in an apartment with 18 units. I have basic cable service. My apartment has an Adelphia cable that plugs into the back of the Pio media box. I believe this cable originates from a large metal box in the rear of the building. That's all I know about any cable going anywhere in my life. I don't even know where my antennae is, or if I have one. All I know is, I have an Adelphia cable that comes into my apartment and is plugged into the back of the Pio media box.
Are you saying that the quality of the cable signal coming into my building is not good?
Are you saying I should put terminators on the ends of every unused input on the media box?
Should I put terminators on the ends of any unused cable outlets in my apartment (for instance, my office has a cable outlet that is completely unused)?
Should I move the media box to a higher place, more in the open?
Thanks.

[doughale]

Redleaf,

First, let me preface this by saying I am no cable or electronics specialist. I canceled my TWC cable 9 years ago following a hurricane and have never looked back. I use satellite and OTA.

No I was not referring to terminating the unused inputs on your media center, but rather terminating the various cable outlets. This may reduce the signal loss that you are getting. Since you are plugging your cable directly into the PIO I am assuming that you are using the cablecard solution. I would check the HDTV forum for your area and look for problems people are experiencing with your cable provider. That my provide you with a clue regarding the performance of your cable provider, and local broadcast station. Remember the signal strength provided by the PIO is not a measurement of exact signal strength in electrical units but rather a relative signal strength measurement which may be comparable only between other PIO of the same model or series.

Good luck

[redleaf12@usa.ne]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]doughale,

I think your problem is the antenna and not your plasma. You seem to be in a fringed area...that is why when you change the direction of the antenna you lose and gain channels. I would recommend you find a better antenna, perhaps one with a built in amp. CC has a bowtie antenna that I've found works very well.[/QUOTE]


My Pio 4350 gets lots of bootlegged digital and HD subchannels, but there are some channels it can't quite pull in. It tries, but gives up and the screen goes black. Would repositioning the media box help pull in some of these borderline channels? Is there an antenna that would do the trick?
PS: All I have is Adelphia cable in L.A., just basic cable. No digital, no DISH, no cablecard, no nothing. Just a cable plugged into the back of my 4350.
Thanks,
mk

[flemo123]

I am using a 4350 with a ComCast box. Right now the sound is produced using the optical connection from the Comcast box to my AV receiver. I would like to route the sound through the Pioneer media box. Currently the cable is feeding the TV with a DVI-HDMI cable. Will the optical out from the media box output 5.1 sound (where it is available on the current cable channel) ? I know HDMI can carry 5.1 but I don't know if the Pioneer box can output all channels.

[eelton]

[QUOTE=flemo123]I am using a 4350 with a ComCast box. Right now the sound is produced using the optical connection from the Comcast box to my AV receiver. I would like to route the sound through the Pioneer media box. Currently the cable is feeding the TV with a DVI-HDMI cable. Will the optical out from the media box output 5.1 sound (where it is available on the current cable channel) ? I know HDMI can carry 5.1 but I don't know if the Pioneer box can output all channels.[/QUOTE]I believe so. I can tell you that on my 5061 using CableCard, the optical output from the Pioneer carries 5.1 channel sound.

[flemo123]

[QUOTE=eelton]I believe so. I can tell you that on my 5061 using CableCard, the optical output from the Pioneer carries 5.1 channel sound.[/QUOTE]


Well I tried this.

DVI-HDMI connection from ComCast STB to Pioneer Media Receiver,

Optical connection from Media Receiver to AV Receiver

I got nothing. No sound whatsoever. Maybe I missed a setup somewhere, I checked out the few options in the MR and switched them around to no avail.

I'm wondering if there is any sound being fed from the Comcast box thru the DVI output at all. Does anyone have any experience of delivering sound over that connection.

[mooneydriver]

That's perfectly normal. DVI stands for "Digital Visual Interface" -- it does not carry audio.

[flemo123]

[QUOTE=mooneydriver]That's perfectly normal. DVI stands for "Digital Visual Interface" -- it does not carry audio.[/QUOTE]


I guess I figured that DVI and HDMI were essentially the same with different connectors and I knew that HDMI was intended to carry audio.

Not good news but at least this may explain the problem.

[pstrisik]

[QUOTE=flemo123]I guess I figured that DVI and HDMI were essentially the same with different connectors and I knew that HDMI was intended to carry audio.

Not good news but at least this may explain the problem.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a digital audio out from the STB? If so, route it directly to your receiver. Works for me. Some reports of audio delay, but I don't experience it.

Edit: Oops, I just read a few posts back that you have tried this. Why do you want to route it through the media receiver?

[flemo123]

[QUOTE=pstrisik]Do you have a digital audio out from the STB? If so, route it directly to your receiver. Works for me. Some reports of audio delay, but I don't experience it.

Edit: Oops, I just read a few posts back that you have tried this. Why do you want to route it through the media receiver?[/QUOTE]


What I am attempting to do is setup the PiP function by routing both a coaxial antenna (no STB) and HDMI (STB) inputs to the MR. The only problem is that I can get the picture to work this way but by routing the sound direct from the cable box to the receiver via optical I only get sound for the STB output.

The only other option I think I can try is to route the coaxial connection through the receiver which will mean I have to switch receiver inputs to SWAP PiP. Had plan A worked out the TV would have been outputting the sound for the currently selected channel.

[feb14boy]

I just ordered my first plasma 4351 from BB. Its going to be delivered on Friday. I am a newbe to the plasma and geting all the information reading this thread. I have couple of question for the expert here.

1. Should I purchase extended warrenty?
2. What kind of cabel do I need.
3. I have Time Warner cabel service in the area and I currently have digital service. Should I have to upgrade it wiht HD service and going to need any other stuff ?

Thanks in Advance.

Well one may wonder why I don't wait for the new model? Well the new model atlest 2K more on the price that I am geting. So I think this is not a bad buy?

[ColdBrew]

Just got a cool email from Pioneer. It had a link to an article on plasma screens. They confirmed pretty much what I already thought about screen burn. It's hard to get...

http://pioneer-usa.rsc03.net/servlet/cc5?igjQYTWQYV7jLglqyopttpikxJLJHQmlJQLKmVaVR

[flemo123]

I am seeing some issues with my 4351 when switching between sources. This seems to happen when the current source has no actual feed and then I switch to the TV/cable feed.

For example if the DVD player itself is off with the TV is switched to that input and then I switch to the Cable source the picture is totally screwed up with maybe half the picture showing or a double distorted image of the picture displayed.

This only appears to happen when switching to an HD channel.

It only goes back to normal if I switch to an SD source and then back to HD.

It seems like the TV needs to go through the initial signal decoding when switching sources but wont always do it without switching from HD to SD and back.

The cable feed is a Comcast, DVI to HDMI and the DVD feed is a component input.

[mooneydriver]

That's a known HDMI synch issue -- happens with most cable boxes. It's merely an inconvenience since it's resolved by changing channels on the cable box.

[osx-addict]

[QUOTE=mooneydriver]That's a known HDMI synch issue -- happens with most cable boxes. It's merely an inconvenience since it's resolved by changing channels on the cable box.[/QUOTE]

Hmm.. I wonder if that's what my 5040hd was doing the other night.. I somehow (don't recall now) managed to get it to make an unusable image -- colors shifted all over the place and changing channels on my DirecTivo (via hdmi) didn't help any.. Everything was messed up.. I had to power down the unit and turn it back on to undo the stuck "state" it was in. That was the first and only time it did that since I've owned it (~1+ year).

[flemo123]

[QUOTE=mooneydriver]That's a known HDMI synch issue -- happens with most cable boxes. It's merely an inconvenience since it's resolved by changing channels on the cable box.[/QUOTE]

So the synch issue is with the TV Media Box rather than the Cable box itself. When this happens nothing has changed on the cable box, it's just sending out a signal it doesn't know what the TV is displaying.

To resolve it requires you to switch from an HD channel to an SD channel and back (or vice versia depending on what channel the cable was tuned to initially).

It may be a minor annoyance but try telling my wife why our new $3000 TV can't display the picture properly every time. Seems like a Pioneer FU if you ask me.

Is the same thing experienced with component inputs?

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=flemo123]So the synch issue is with the TV Media Box rather than the Cable box itself. When this happens nothing has changed on the cable box, it's just sending out a signal it doesn't know what the TV is displaying.

To resolve it requires you to switch from an HD channel to an SD channel and back (or vice versia depending on what channel the cable was tuned to initially).

It may be a minor annoyance but try telling my wife why our new $3000 TV can't display the picture properly every time. Seems like a Pioneer FU if you ask me.

Is the same thing experienced with component inputs?[/QUOTE]

What you are describing is a handshake issue between the cable box and MR. You may want to see if you can get a different cable box model or just use a component connection. Pioneer is not at fault with this issue as your problem exist with other model TVs and other cable boxes that use a digital connection.

[rentwist]

[QUOTE=flemo123]I am seeing some issues with my 4351 when switching between sources. This seems to happen when the current source has no actual feed and then I switch to the TV/cable feed.

For example if the DVD player itself is off with the TV is switched to that input and then I switch to the Cable source the picture is totally screwed up with maybe half the picture showing or a double distorted image of the picture displayed.

This only appears to happen when switching to an HD channel.

It only goes back to normal if I switch to an SD source and then back to HD.

It seems like the TV needs to go through the initial signal decoding when switching sources but wont always do it without switching from HD to SD and back.

The cable feed is a Comcast, DVI to HDMI and the DVD feed is a component input.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if this minor annoyance is due to the fact that you're going from DVI/HDMI. Does anyone who goes HDMI/HDMI ever have these sync problems?

[flemo123]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]What you are describing is a handshake issue between the cable box and MR. You may want to see if you can get a different cable box model or just use a component connection. Pioneer is not at fault with this issue as your problem exist with other model TVs and other cable boxes that use a digital connection.[/QUOTE]


Surely this could only be a handshake issue if the TV was transmitting a signal back down the HDMI/DVI connection to the cable box. While that's possible in theory I don't think any signals are being sent to the boxes on teh HDMI and the boxes are not capable of doing anything with a signal from the TV.

It's a simple digital output from a fairly dumb cable box. The cable box doesnt know or care if I connect it to an HDTV or a Soda Machine.

The TV seems to have an issue in re-decoding the new signal when changing from a disconnected source. Switching to SD and back to HD forces the TV to go through a new decode cycle and fixes the issue. It's just a pain.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=flemo123]Surely this could only be a handshake issue if the TV was transmitting a signal back down the HDMI/DVI connection to the cable box. While that's possible in theory I don't think any signals are being sent to the boxes on teh HDMI and the boxes are not capable of doing anything with a signal from the TV.

It's a simple digital output from a fairly dumb cable box. The cable box doesnt know or care if I connect it to an HDTV or a Soda Machine.

The TV seems to have an issue in re-decoding the new signal when changing from a disconnected source. Switching to SD and back to HD forces the TV to go through a new decode cycle and fixes the issue. It's just a pain.[/QUOTE]

No offense, but I don't think you know what you are talking about. Your cable box is not just a dumb box. It has to be HDCP compliant or it would not work at all so...yes it actually cares what it connects to. Having said that, when you are flipping between inputs and the Pioneer box sends a signal to you cable box thru the hdmi cable asking the cable box to authenticate itself, something funky happens. That causes your picture to be messed up.

[flemo123]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]No offense, but I don't think you know what you are talking about. Your cable box is not just a dumb box. It has to be HDCP compliant or it would not work at all so...yes it actually cares what it connects to. Having said that, when you are flipping between inputs and the Pioneer box sends a signal to you cable box thru the hdmi cable asking the cable box to authenticate itself, something funky happens. That causes your picture to be messed up.[/QUOTE]

You are very perceptive I have no idea what I am talking about which is why I posted the original message.

Since you are obviously an expert can you tell us what data the TV is sending to the cable box when switched to that input, what the cable box does with that data and why the TV F's up the picture in this way. Do DVI, HDMI and component video all support the same two way communication?

[flemo123]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]No offense, but I don't think you know what you are talking about. Your cable box is not just a dumb box. It has to be HDCP compliant or it would not work at all so...yes it actually cares what it connects to. Having said that, when you are flipping between inputs and the Pioneer box sends a signal to you cable box thru the hdmi cable asking the cable box to authenticate itself, something funky happens. That causes your picture to be messed up.[/QUOTE]

You may also want to read up on the DVI standard. DVI does not support the communications bus as is present in a pure HDMI connection. DVI by definition is a one way communication.

[martyj19]

[QUOTE=flemo123]While that's possible in theory I don't think any signals are being sent to the boxes on teh HDMI and the boxes are not capable of doing anything with a signal from the TV.

It's a simple digital output from a fairly dumb cable box. The cable box doesnt know or care if I connect it to an HDTV or a Soda Machine. [/QUOTE]

These statements are not correct when the source and destination device is HDCP compliant.

[ColdBrew]

I had a strange problem last night. I had a timed recording setup to a DVHS recorder. I decided after it started to abort the recording. I stoped the VCR but couldn't find a way to abort the Pioneer. It wouldn't let me change inputs, but it would let me change channels (weird that it let me change channels).

I cleared the time recording after the current one and waited for it to end, but it never did. I eventually had to remove power to stop the timer.

Anyone know a way to stop a timed recording in progress (other than removing the power)?! There isn't anything about it in the manual that I could find. VERY VERY annoying.

[martyj19]

[QUOTE=flemo123]You may also want to read up on the DVI standard. DVI does not support the communications bus as is present in a pure HDMI connection. DVI by definition is a one way communication.[/QUOTE]

Not correct in the presence of HDCP. You may also want to read up on the HDCP standard.
http://www.digital-cp.com/home/HDCPSpecificationRev1_1.pdf

And, to be fair, the DDC part of DVI is also upstream communication, but that's on a separate channel.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=flemo123]You are very perceptive I have no idea what I am talking about which is why I posted the original message.

Since you are obviously an expert can you tell us what data the TV is sending to the cable box when switched to that input, what the cable box does with that data and why the TV F's up the picture in this way. Do DVI, HDMI and component video all support the same two way communication?[/QUOTE]

I'm not about to have a pissing war with you over an issue that I and others have tried to explain and help you. At this point it is very simple:

1. Use component cables
2. Get another cable box
3. Try another DVI to HDMI cable
4. Take the plasma back and get another brand and see what happens.
5. Suck it up and understand that when you switch between your DVD input and cable box input, you may have to switch to a 480i channel before a HD channel will display properly.
6. You solution goes here.

Pick one and hopefully you be happy with your choice.

[paul watkins]

Whats the latest on the 61"? Release date?

[phucsafi]

Dear all,

Just new member of this forum even I have read alots of post. I just bought a Pio 435HDG. I lived in south east Asia adn the 435HDG was there. I learn there are some different to US 4350 HD version like: MR has only one HDMI, no I link, no digital tuner, the remote is more simple and no learning capacity. The panel is the same. Over all, I am so pleased of the PQ this plasma offer and I think I did a smarter choice when not buying the Sharp Aquos LCD 37" with a little higher price in my country. I have several questions need your help:

1. I can not go through the service menu to check my running hour. I do like some people said in this thread but can not go in. Whether Asian and European version has disabled this function?

2. My DVD player is a Chinese made. I use component and my Pio display the signal is 525i. My country has no HD televission so I don't know much about 480P, 720p, 1080i.... What is 525i finally? Please teach me.

3. Does HDMI give better PQ. I will intend to buy the player with HDMI out put. Please recommend me the most reasonable player in this field

Thank you

D.T.Phuc



Do you have other trick that can help to rise up the PQ

[DMRSX]

Anyone think I should buy a clearence floor model, but I just don't know.

It's the 4351. I'd appreciate any input. Cheers.

[doughale]

I purchased a 4351 several months ago <3k but just barely. I like the TV, gives you a lot of adjustments. Blacks are good. Only one problem, which may not affect you depending upon how you are getting your signal.

In the Turner section, channel setup, add channel, there is a flaw in either the Pioneer specifications or there programming which does not allow you to manually add a digital channel (only allows you to put in analog channels). This is only a problem when you are doing OTA capture of your digital channels where the signals are coming from different compass directions: one set of stations from the SE and others from the NE. If all the channels are originating from the same direction and you have a strong signal, then the auto discover feature works well.

The manual illustrations for the manual add instructions (page 31 in your manual) for the 4335, 4340, 4345, 4350(1), AND 4360 all show that you can manually add digital channels, but the verbiage does not specifically say you can do this. (I would appreciate feedback from others on this issue...if it is prevalent we may be able to convince Pioneer that they have a slight problem).

If this is going to be attached to cable or satellite and the price is right ...significantly better than the Hitachi 42HDS52 or equivalent to the Phillips 9360 I would do it again. A great looking set with good performance.

[ColdBrew]

[QUOTE=doughale]I purchased a 4351 several months ago <3k but just barely. I like the TV, gives you a lot of adjustments. Blacks are good. Only one problem, which may not affect you depending upon how you are getting your signal.

In the Turner section, channel setup, add channel, there is a flaw in either the Pioneer specifications or there programming which does not allow you to manually add a digital channel (only allows you to put in analog channels). This is only a problem when you are doing OTA capture of your digital channels where the signals are coming from different compass directions: one set of stations from the SE and others from the NE. If all the channels are originating from the same direction and you have a strong signal, then the auto discover feature works well.

The manual illustrations for the manual add instructions (page 31 in your manual) for the 4335, 4340, 4345, 4350(1), AND 4360 all show that you can manually add digital channels, but the verbiage does not specifically say you can do this. (I would appreciate feedback from others on this issue...if it is prevalent we may be able to convince Pioneer that they have a slight problem).
[/QUOTE]

You can't add digital stations on my 4350 either.

But I'm having more problems with the iLink. That sceduler for controling DVHS's is buggy. Twice now I've had it hang up where I can't switch inputs and the only way to fix it is to pull the power cable to reboot the media box... Plus 3 times it has failed to record as programed. Either shutting off too soon or not shutting off at all. Very annoying...

I plan to call Pioneer and see if there is a fix for it.

[doughale]

while you are at it, mention the digital channel add problem. I have already mentioned it to Pioneer with no luck, maybe additional reports of problems will spur them on to fix the problem.

Good Luck and let us know of the resolution

[rentwist]

[QUOTE=DMRSX]Anyone think I should buy a clearence floor model from BB? It's a crazy price, but I just don't know.

It's the 4351. I'd appreciate any input. Cheers.[/QUOTE]

BUY IT!!! I own the 5050 HD model. It's the best set, hands down. I searched the world over to find a set that's PQ and sound were both the best bang for the $$$. I have NEVER regretted my purchase. Enjoy, ray.

[DMRSX]

From what I can tell there weren't any big scratched on the finish, just the little hairline ones that always show up on a Piano finish. The screen had no burn in, and since it's had a moving HD feed the whole time I can bet it's nice and "broken in".

Anything else you guys can think of that I should look for?

[gohd]

[QUOTE=DMRSX]
Anything else you guys can think of that I should look for?[/QUOTE]
If the return policy and warranty still applies, aside from the hassle of returning it (shipping?), might as well give it a 30-day test drive.

[FWC]

[QUOTE=doughale] . . . does not allow you to manually add a digital channel (only allows you to put in analog channels). This is only a problem when you are doing OTA capture of your digital channels where the signals are coming from different compass directions . . . [/QUOTE]

I have a 4345 and a while back, I called Pioneer Plasma Tech Support to ask if there was a work-around or firmware update for this issue. Their answer was no - there are no work-arounds short of buying another QAM receiver, and no fimware updates are in the works (at that time) for this problem. I told the tech that that I couldn't be the only one who is affected by this issue and this something that Pioneer needs to addressed. What good is a QAM reciever that can't be used with an antenna rotor?

Anyway, to resolve this problem, I went out and and bought a Radio Shack (Accurain HST 6000) QAM HDTV receiver for $89 that I use for OTA reception. It has an HDMI out and works well (the remote is junk though), but most of all, you can update the channel scan without loosing the previous scan info.

[doughale]

Thanks for the information on the QAM receiver.

However, I suggest that people call the Pioneer technical support to complain about this obvious flaw, that they have carried through several generations of their equipment. If enough people complain, they will respond.

[ColdBrew]

[QUOTE=FWC]Anyway, to resolve this problem, I went out and and bought a Radio Shack (Accurain HST 6000) QAM HDTV receiver for $89 that I use for OTA reception. It has an HDMI out and works well (the remote is junk though), but most of all, you can update the channel scan without loosing the previous scan info.[/QUOTE]

That receiver wouldn't have a iLink (firewire) port would it?

[Jnabors]

What is the best connection of my Cox Communication HD DVR (digital cable box) and PIO 5050HD to my Marantz SR5600 receiver.

[FWC]

[QUOTE=ColdBrew]That receiver wouldn't have a iLink (firewire) port would it?[/QUOTE]

No, the Accurain HST 6000 does not have iLink.

It has one antenna F- connector in, and one HDMI and one set of component video outs.

[Tukkis]

My friend just got a PDP4350 here in Australia.

It seems to have come with the Elite receiver because it gives you 5 color temp presets, individual RGB settings and the pro menu settings like DRE etc have extra settings like low, mid, high.

I'm just wondering has anyone calibrated to D6500 with the elite receiver or should I just use the normal settings? All the settings I've seen for things like DRE have been either on or off not low,mid,high.

[ColdBrew]

I could have swore that when I registered my 4350 that there was an option to buy an extended warrenty through Pioneer. I emailed them and they said that wasn't possible. Does anyone know anything about extending the warrenty through Pioneer?

[Tukkis]

I could have swore that when I registered my 4350 that there was an option to buy an extended warrenty through Pioneer. I emailed them and they said that wasn't possible. Does anyone know anything about extending the warrenty through Pioneer?

In Australia all Pioneers come with 5 Years Warranty and Installation free.

[ColorBurst]

The service menu reports 2 different times on my PDP-50A5HD.
I'm not sure what SD1, SD2 and MR refer to... any ideas?
Thanks.

SD1
Main Sub 00061H41M
1 HM
2 HM
3 HM
etc.

SD2
Main Sub 00329H04M
1 HM
2 HM
3 HM
etc.

MR Hour Meter 00329H04M

Hour Meter 00061H41M

[ColorBurst]

I believe the MR hour meter is counting the total "standby" time plus the screen "on" time.
The hour meter counts only the "display on" time.

[mcneilj]

hi everyone - i'm a newbie to the avsforum so...be kind ;-)
i just bought a Pioneer PDP43A5HD (essentially, a 4350 without the media receiver) and i'm having a huge problem with setup.

i can't get it to recognize anything that's progressive scan (a pioneer 565A-DV dvd player or my comcast/motorola stb). i can switch the dvd player to interlaced and connect it via svideo or composite and the 4350 display works but as soon as i reset it to progressive and connect w/component cables...nothing - just a blank screen. i've tested the component cables (two different sets of cable) and dvd player on my old tv and they're fine.

it's the same problem with the stb too. is there something i need to set in the 4350? i can't find anything that allows me to set an input as interlaced or progressive. should it automatically recognize this? is there something else i'm doing wrong? any help or direction would be hugely appreciated!

thanks...

[wassy]

ok, here we go AGAIN! LOL.

i was set to get the Pro1410hd (61").. for a great deal, then I looked at the 50" Pro1130HD.. but for nearly the same money, I figured, ahh... then Pioneer told me the 1130 has many new and upgraded features over the 1410..

THen... i was offered the 1130, putting it just above my cost on the Panny 500u and others.. what the heck do I do? my wall unit will house the 50" with reasonable and minor modification. the 60" would require a massive reconstruction, or throwing it out, getting a low table and hanging the 60" on the wall. I sit about 11-13' away.

c'mon... i need some serious guidance here with size, quality, features, etc! THANK YOU KINDLY

andy

[rmmcdaniel]

I would get the 1130 at that price. Less hassle (furniture mods) and better picture (it's beautiful!).

[kklier]

I have the same screen. what is stb?

I have svideo, both components and HDMI hooked up. I do not yet have a progressive scan DVD player hooked up.

-Korey

[QUOTE=mcneilj]hi everyone - i'm a newbie to the avsforum so...be kind ;-)
i just bought a Pioneer PDP43A5HD (essentially, a 4350 without the media receiver) and i'm having a huge problem with setup.

i can't get it to recognize anything that's progressive scan (a pioneer 565A-DV dvd player or my comcast/motorola stb). i can switch the dvd player to interlaced and connect it via svideo or composite and the 4350 display works but as soon as i reset it to progressive and connect w/component cables...nothing - just a blank screen. i've tested the component cables (two different sets of cable) and dvd player on my old tv and they're fine.

it's the same problem with the stb too. is there something i need to set in the 4350? i can't find anything that allows me to set an input as interlaced or progressive. should it automatically recognize this? is there something else i'm doing wrong? any help or direction would be hugely appreciated!

thanks...[/QUOTE]

[amheck]

stb = set top box

[kklier]

[QUOTE=amheck]stb = set top box[/QUOTE]

Thx. Then I guess it depends on the "stb". I have had both the 8000HD(component) and 8300HD(hdmi) now from TWC and both worked fine.

[theglimmerung]

I have a UK 43" Plasma (PDP435-XDE) to which I have an HTPC connected. Currently it is using the VGA input but I was wondering if there is any way to use a DVI-HDMI cable?

The reason I ask, is that the manual says that PC signals are "out of range", meaning, I presume, that it can't be done for some reason. If there is a way round this, however, I would be interested to hear it. Could the graphics card (Radeon x800 xl) be set to output a recognisable signal perhaps?

This might be a stupid question, but any sensible answers would be great.

Thanks, in advance, for any help.

[MNbri]

[QUOTE=theglimmerung]I have a UK 43" Plasma (PDP435-XDE) to which I have an HTPC connected. Currently it is using the VGA input but I was wondering if there is any way to use a DVI-HDMI cable?

The reason I ask, is that the manual says that PC signals are "out of range", meaning, I presume, that it can't be done for some reason. If there is a way round this, however, I would be interested to hear it. Could the graphics card (Radeon x800 xl) be set to output a recognisable signal perhaps?

This might be a stupid question, but any sensible answers would be great.

Thanks, in advance, for any help.[/QUOTE]

yes, this can be done. You'll need to use some software like powerstrip to setup custom resolutions that the panel will accept through hdmi: 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i.

I'm running an htpc through the vga port on a pio 5050... i initally went the dvi-hdmi route and it wasn't worth all the hassle. I did NOT notice any difference in PQ. Running through the vga is simple, (native resolution) and it frees up the other hdmi input for future purchases :)

[theglimmerung]

[QUOTE=MNbri]yes, this can be done. You'll need to use some software like powerstrip to setup custom resolutions that the panel will accept through hdmi: 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i.

I'm running an htpc through the vga port on a pio 5050... i initally went the dvi-hdmi route and it wasn't worth all the hassle. I did NOT notice any difference in PQ. Running through the vga is simple, (native resolution) and it frees up the other hdmi input for future purchases :)[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the interesting and informative reply. Nice to know this can be done. Good point about using the vga input as well.

One of the reasons I thought I might give it a go was I thought it might help with some of the aspect ratio problems I'm having with DVDs (another, rather. long story), due to the fact that the panel will scale these (much as it would an image from an upscaling DVD player), but I wasn't sure that would offer any real advantage.

Thanks again.

[bobo97]

I'm actually new to this forum but been following this Pioneer for a while now. This thread is so much fun! I bought a Pioneer 5050 back in September and so far have been very very happy with it, well, I guess until yesterday. I bought the Zenith Silver Sensor antenna from Fry's for $40 about a month ago and Lost on ABC had never looked better on TV.

When I found out that Amazon has the identical antenna for $19, I ordered one and returned the one I bought from Fry's. I got the identical antenna from Amazon about two days after I returned the other one to Fry's. However, when I tried to do a Auto Channel Preset, it just can't pick up anything. Not even one channel. Usually it takes me several tries to rotate the antenna and get it to pick up any digital channels, but at the least it'll pick up some crappy SD channels with lots of static. But ever since I switched to this "new" antenna, it just doesn't pick up anything. The first logical thought is that this antenna from Amazon is defective, but it's just hard to imagine it would be the case since this thing has no electronic parts and it's such a simple device. I have no other TV to try this Antenna on and I'm afraid that it might be a problem with the Pioneer unit itself.

Does anyone here have any suggestion as to how to diagnose this problem (before I go back to Fry's and get an identical antenna again like an idiot)? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance. I am desperate...

[GAR1969]

BoBo97, When you replaced the ant. did you mess with the cable on the back of the MR? Have you checked to make sure the ant is plugged into the ANT A instead of ANT B ? I'm going to assume you checked that already. I would check the coax also,maybe the center wire is bent on one of the ends and not contacting the ant or MR. Is the ant pointing in the same general direction as the old one? This might be a stupid question but i figured i'd ask. I had a similar problem a few weeks ago. I bought a Terk TV55 and just hooked it up inside my house. It improved the reception but still had signal strength problems on a couple channels. I decided to move it outside and put it on a pole. I mounted it on the pole ,ran the wires inside ,hooked it up and nothing. 0 signal strength. I was like WTF? Unhooked it and brought it back inside , no signal. Come to find out the little power transformer that powered the ant. amp just died. I think the coax run was too long for the little guy. If i remember correctly it was a 9v 100ma transformer. I found a 9v 300ma and hooked it up and it solved the problem .Now i have great reception about 85 on the signal strength meter.
I've had my 43" for about 2 months now and i love the tv with one exception...the tv tuner sucks. It is just too slow when trying to flip through channels. The info bar doesn't even come up sometimes when surfing ,if it does its for a second then disappears before you get a chance to read 2 words.Sometimes it will tell you the program name sometimes it's all blank. When i get a Directv HD receiver i'm hoping the off air tuner will be better.

Good luck
Glen

[gohd]

bobo,
I'd bet my money on a connection problem somewhere. Could be a bad connect inside the antenna maybe. Seems like Fry's is trying to get back at you (extra time/hassle/gas spent returning, etc). :)

[bobo97]

Thank you both for replying first of all. I did pretty much everything you guys mentioned already. I tested out a few different antennas in the past few months so I can probably make the connection in my sleep now so I am certain I put it in ANT A. The antenna is pointing at the same general direction as the old one. Well, I tried to point it to opposite direction as well, but that didn't make a difference. I didn't mess with any other cables on the back of the MR (unless I did it accidentally), but I guess I'll go check again when I go home tonight.

I am not sure if this is related at all, but I'll ask anyway. I seem to remember that when I plugged in my very first antenna to the MR for the first time, when I tried to do the Auto Channel Preset, I accidentally choose Cable instead of Air. I think I got some sort of error message saying "Please insert your cable card" or something like that. It doesn't do this anymore when I tried yesterday. It just tries to scan the channels anyway when I chose Cable without cable card. Is this normal behavior? Or perhaps my memory is not serving me as well as it should and I got this error message from some other settings in the menu.

I'll see if I have a spare coax cable at home to try or as a last resort, I'll run back to Fry's AGAIN to get an identical antenna and see if it works again. I really hope it's a problem with the antenna itself.

[GAR1969]

Just for the record,
I just tried using auto channel scan and selected Cable and it didn't ask me for a cable card.
Glen

[marciaandpaul]

This might be more of a general question, but I'm concerned specifically with the Elite 1130.

I have been looking at room reflections from the screen, and I've seen a couple of "dimples" in the glass, about 1/4 inch in diameter. It doesn't seem to show in the picture. Is this normal/typical for the Pioneer screens?

TIA

Paul

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=marciaandpaul]This might be more of a general question, but I'm concerned specifically with the Elite 1130.

I have been looking at room reflections from the screen, and I've seen a couple of "dimples" in the glass, about 1/4 inch in diameter. It doesn't seem to show in the picture. Is this normal/typical for the Pioneer screens?

TIA

Paul[/QUOTE]

Dimples? The 1130 does not have a glass front...its plastic. Could be imperfections in the plastic. My 930 is completely flat. You could see if you can get it replaced.

[smgluck]

Hi All, I'm a new member. I had a Pioneer Elite Pro HD 930 installed in my Home theater system last month. The system consists of Def. Tec. Mythos 1's front speaker, a Def. Tec. Supercube 1 sub woofer, Def. tec. Mythos Gems rear speaker and a refoamed Infinity Reference EL center channel. The AV reciever is a Yamaha HRT putting out 105 watts per channel and a Yamaha DVD changer. The hook-ups are done all with Monster Cable component video cables and with Monster Cable optical cables for the audio. The video source is a Directv DVR 10-250 reciever. Here are some of initial impressions. HD video is not to be believed it blows you away. SD reception is excellent and the black and white images are better than anything I've seen on any plasma set. ( I have been watching "Combat" a 1960's TV series shot in black and white. Before buying I did look at the Panasonic and other sets and nothing came close. I would have like the Panasonic to have come close it would have saved me between $1500-$2000. I have had a friend of mine who is a professional video and audio engineer and does TV commercials in a studio and he has said that this is the best set he has ever seen. BTW the audio system is incredible and can set off my neighbors car alarms if left unchecked. I've been working on putting together this Home theater for about a year and have done a lot of research. It seems to me that the Pioneer Elite and the Fujitsu are the reference plasmas that all others should be compared to. :)

[marciaandpaul]

Thanks, Dnice. I didn't realize the front surface was plastic. I'm going to get another as soon as they get some in stock. Since it's brand new, the dealer will swap it out.

Paul

[plasmalvr]

I'm wondering what fellow 1120 owners settings are. Mine are as follows:

Contrast: 33
Brightness: +6
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2
Pure Cinema: Standard
Color Temp: Mid-Low
MPEGNR: Mid
DNR: Mid
CTI: Off
DRE: Mid
Color Management: All colors are: 0

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Greg

[bobo97]

Sorry for the lack of update on my OTA reception problem, but I didn't get a chance to get to Fry's until this weekend (Fry's is not real close to my house!). Well, after replacing the antenna with yet antoher identical one I bought from Fry's, it can pick up the channels again! So I guess the antenna that I bought from Amazon is just defective. What a sigh of relief! I swear I could hear my heart pounding as that Auto Scan progress bar moves ever so slowly toward completion. Now everything works. Thank you very much for all that helped me.

[gohd]

Never calibrated video before. I rented Avia from Netflix to finally attempt to calibrate my 1120, but realized there's some filters I need (red, blue, green). The disk mentions some type of blue test screens that some displays have. Are these available on the 1120? What are the filters, some type of glasses or plastic sheets?

[bdspilot]

[QUOTE=gohd]Never calibrated video before. I rented Avia from Netflix to finally attempt to calibrate my 1120, but realized there's some filters I need (red, blue, green). The disk mentions some type of blue test screens that some displays have. Are these available on the 1120? What are the filters, some type of glasses or plastic sheets?[/QUOTE]


The filters come with the avia disk.

[depolk]

I have my cable connection going directly into the Antenna A coax spot on the media box. I have audio going through a Denon 3806 AVR. I am hoping to use the Denon to control all audio and video. I had output S-video out to the AVR, but nothing showed on the TV. The Pioneer only seems to want to show TV if it is displaying antenna input. Is there any way to have it set to Input 1 at all times, but have the video signal be controlled by the Denon? Otherwise, I have to use multiple remotes to change settings. Thanks.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=depolk]I have my cable connection going directly into the Antenna A coax spot on the media box. I have audio going through a Denon 3806 AVR. I am hoping to use the Denon to control all audio and video. I had output S-video out to the AVR, but nothing showed on the TV. The Pioneer only seems to want to show TV if it is displaying antenna input. Is there any way to have it set to Input 1 at all times, but have the video signal be controlled by the Denon? Otherwise, I have to use multiple remotes to change settings. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Have you actually tried to setup the Denon universal remote with Pioneer codes listed in the 3806's manual?

[superbit]

[QUOTE=MNbri]yes, this can be done. You'll need to use some software like powerstrip to setup custom resolutions that the panel will accept through hdmi: 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i.

I'm running an htpc through the vga port on a pio 5050... i initally went the dvi-hdmi route and it wasn't worth all the hassle. I did NOT notice any difference in PQ. Running through the vga is simple, (native resolution) and it frees up the other hdmi input for future purchases :)[/QUOTE]
I assume that you refer to the Pioneer PDP-5050SX.
I am looking at the spec of the Pioneer PDP-5050SX at Costco website and couldn’t find VGA as possible input. As theglimmerung already mentioned, the HDMI input has the note “PC signals are not supported” in the manual.
Thanks.

[depolk]

I have used the remote with the preprogrammed codesfor Pioneer TV and Sony DVD. I do not think that there is a key on the Denon remote that will allow for changes in the input on the Pioneer (which has 1,2,3,4, and an antenna input). I suspect that I will have to buy one remote to rule them all.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=depolk]I have used the remote with the preprogrammed codesfor Pioneer TV and Sony DVD. I do not think that there is a key on the Denon remote that will allow for changes in the input on the Pioneer (which has 1,2,3,4, and an antenna input). I suspect that I will have to buy one remote to rule them all.[/QUOTE]

Not true. Your Denon can "learn" the specific codes for changing inputs. Read your manual.

[depolk]

That is true. I have only used the preprogrammed entries. I will likely try to program it myself and then set up one of the 1,2,3 buttons to do DVD (TV on, set to input 1, denon on, set to dvd) once I open the new one that I got at a substantial savings when compared to the previous one that I had purchased.

[jb0362]

Hi all!
I can say I LOVE my PDP4350!
I just finished my basement and cant wait to hang it and get it into a room it deserves!

To my "?"

I plugged my cable box via HDMI into input 3 and it did not work.
I moved the HDMI to input 1 and it worked.

Are the HDMI inputs on the Media Receiver "ordered" meaning 1 then 2 then 3?

THanks - John.

Also I have I have a set of POLK RM6200's, sub Polk PSW250 powered by powered by a Sony STRDE845 -
is there any advantage to running 2 subs?

also
Any input on these speakers?

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=jb0362]I plugged my cable box via HDMI into input 3 and it did not work.
I moved the HDMI to input 1 and it worked.

Are the HDMI inputs on the Media Receiver "ordered" meaning 1 then 2 then 3?

THanks - John.[/QUOTE]

Did you enable the HDMI port on input 3? Turn to input 3, go into the options menu....HDMI...and make sure it is enabled.

[gohd]

Just to make I sure I did this correctly...

Used Avia to calibrate my 1120. DVD's plugged into Input 1 via HDMI. Thought these "User" settings would carry over to all inputs, but it didn't. So, for my HD DirecTivo on Input 3 via HDMI, changed the "User" settings to match that which I found w/ the DVD player.

Is this the correct way of doing this?

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=gohd]Just to make I sure I did this correctly...

Used Avia to calibrate my 1120. DVD's plugged into Input 1 via HDMI. Thought these "User" settings would carry over to all inputs, but it didn't. So, for my HD DirecTivo on Input 3 via HDMI, changed the "User" settings to match that which I found w/ the DVD player.

Is this the correct way of doing this?[/QUOTE]

Yes, the user setting is independent per input. Try to use your DVD settings only as a starting point. I know that my DVD settings on my 930 are totally different than my TWC SA8300 cable box settings.

[guptown]

Probably getting the 4360 this week. I see that some of the 5060 users have used the elite stand (pdk-1013). Will this same stand fit the 43"? Do any of the 930 owners know if this is the same part number as their stand?

Thanks

[gohd]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]Yes, the user setting is independent per input. Try to use your DVD settings only as a starting point. I know that my DVD settings on my 930 are totally different than my TWC SA8300 cable box settings.[/QUOTE]
That's what I assumed. Will tweak to my liking after some time I guess. Thanks.

[guptown]

Probably getting the 4360 this week. I see that some of the 5060 users have used the elite stand (pdk-1013). Will this same stand fit the 43"? Do any of the 930 owners know if this is the same part number as their stand?

oops, sorry guys, wrong thread.

[phucsafi]

I bought a PIO 435 HDG (Asian version). Last week, My system suddenly turned off when I was watching TV. I noted the led on the display flashed twice a second. I did not saw the led on the media receiver at this moment.

I unpluged the system, waited for few minute. The pluged again. The symptom is as follow:

When I turned on the systems, the media receiver was turned on first as normal, the led was green. Then, the display turned on followed by a sound of a relay but it turned off immediatelly. The led on the display turned red and flashed twice a second but the led on the media reciever was still green (on status).

I checked the manual for the sudden off. The manual said it is the symptom of over heat. Now it's winter in my country so it can't be of over heat.

I let the system unpluged whole nite but the same happened next day.

My country do not have Pioneer service center.

Can any body help me analyze my problem? I gave it to some technical of Sony center but they did not find any fault until now. They just told it is the protect function for any fault but did not find yet.

Please help me.

Thanks

[gohd]

[QUOTE=phucsafi]
My country do not have Pioneer service center.
[/QUOTE]
That sucks. I had similar problem happen to mine, which required that a technician fix it with a software fix. For me, panel would lock on a channel then spontaneously shut down. Apparently, may have resulted from TV receiving bad "packets" of data (sorry, not very technical, but going from memory from over 1 yr ago) from a digital station (for me, seemd to be CBS) which caused the lock-up. After the fix, not a single problem. Maybe they can help you over the phone? Online fix?

[phucsafi]

[QUOTE=gohd]That sucks. I had similar problem happen to mine, which required that a technician fix it with a software fix. For me, panel would lock on a channel then spontaneously shut down. Apparently, may have resulted from TV receiving bad "packets" of data (sorry, not very technical, but going from memory from over 1 yr ago) from a digital station (for me, seemd to be CBS) which caused the lock-up. After the fix, not a single problem. Maybe they can help you over the phone? Online fix?[/QUOTE]

Thanks! But the TV using n my country is analogue, not digital. Will the same happen for analogue signal?

[phucsafi]

Another guy from AVForums got exact problem as me. The link is here. Any one help me please

Why I can not insert a web link here?

Thank you

[ColdBrew]

I have a Pioneer 4350 and it really annoys me that it doesn't pass the digital audio signal (digital dolby) through from HDMI to the audio optical out. Kind of makes that HDMI interface seem dumb. I mean why pass audio through it if the Pioneer won't output.

Also I was using the scheduler on the Pioneer to record shows through the firewire to D-VHS device. It didn't work very well. The scheduler has tons of bugs. After a while my media box started shutting off for no reason (not the power saver). I stoped using the scheduler to record to D-VHS and the media box stoped shutting off.

They have some serious bugs in the media box software...

BTW there are lots of things I love about the Pioneer, but I wanted the post the stuff that I hate about it.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=ColdBrew]I have a Pioneer 4350 and it really annoys me that it doesn't pass the digital audio signal (digital dolby) through from HDMI to the audio optical out. Kind of makes that HDMI interface seem dumb. I mean why pass audio through it if the Pioneer won't output.

Also I was using the scheduler on the Pioneer to record shows through the firewire to D-VHS device. It didn't work very well. The scheduler has tons of bugs. After a while my media box started shutting off for no reason (not the power saver). I stoped using the scheduler to record to D-VHS and the media box stoped shutting off.

They have some serious bugs in the media box software...

BTW there are lots of things I love about the Pioneer, but I wanted the post the stuff that I hate about it.[/QUOTE]

Have you contacted Pioneer for a firmware update to resolve your scheduler/shutoff issues?

Passing DD over HDMI is a HDMI 1.0 chipset limitation. This not a fault of your Pioneer 4350.

[ColdBrew]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]Have you contacted Pioneer for a firmware update to resolve your scheduler/shutoff issues?

Passing DD over HDMI is a HDMI 1.0 chipset limitation. This not a fault of your Pioneer 4350.[/QUOTE]

I did contract Pioneer and they wanted to replace the media box. When I contacted the company to do the work, he wanted to take my media box with him for testing before replacing it (he is 2.5 hours out of town). I told him that wasn't going to work, to bring a replacement. He was supposed to get back to me, but never did. I haven't decided what to do next.

As for HDMI limitation that is really sad. It is supposed to make things easier, but that kind of defeats the purpose....

[Marcus Bickles]

Just bought a PDP-50A5HD and going to be hooking it up in the next couple weeks. Connections are my concern and maximizing those would be great. Here goes......Got some questions for you guys:

1. 1 HDMI = Cable box that cable company will provide me?

2. DVD player(old-ish, no HDMI and won't be watching tons of movies on this TV, just cable and HD) = Component and Optical Cords into TV and receiver, respectively.

3. VCR (old-ish) = run Main Cable Coax from wall into this and then into the Cable Box that will be supplied ?


I'm wanting to also leave OFF the speakers that came with the tv. I just want the plasma hanging by itself and will use my other speakers running through my receiver for sound.

THanks for any kind of help.

[gohd]

[QUOTE=Marcus Bickles]Just bought a PDP-50A5HD and going to be hooking it up in the next couple weeks. Connections are my concern and maximizing those would be great. Here goes......Got some questions for you guys:

1. 1 HDMI = Cable box that cable company will provide me?

2. DVD player(old-ish, no HDMI and won't be watching tons of movies on this TV, just cable and HD) = Component and Optical Cords into TV and receiver, respectively.

3. VCR (old-ish) = run Main Cable Coax from wall into this and then into the Cable Box that will be supplied ?


I'm wanting to also leave OFF the speakers that came with the tv. I just want the plasma hanging by itself and will use my other speakers running through my receiver for sound.

THanks for any kind of help.[/QUOTE]
Not quite sure of the question, but anyway, you'll probably connect as follows:

-Cable box to TV via HDMI for video only
-Cable box to receiver via digital optical/coax
-DVD player as you mentioned
-VCD as you mentioned

Or, if your receiver switches HDMI and is compatible w/ your cable box, can go cable box to receiver via HDMI for audio and video then video out to TV via HDMI.

[Marcus Bickles]

[QUOTE=gohd]Not quite sure of the question, but anyway, you'll probably connect as follows:

-Cable box to TV via HDMI for video only
-Cable box to receiver via digital optical/coax
-DVD player as you mentioned
-VCD as you mentioned

Or, if your receiver switches HDMI and is compatible w/ your cable box, can go cable box to receiver via HDMI for audio and video then video out to TV via HDMI.[/QUOTE]
<p> Thanks for the advice and sorry the post was not question-like enough. I will get better and plan on visiting often.

[John Donahue]

Just joined thread, although I lurked for a couple of months. Thanks to all who posted meaningful information. It helped me to confidently select the PDP5050, set it up properly, and solve simple problems. My $500 rebate arrived in 5 weeks. After 7 weeks of enjoyment, the screen suddenly displayed a 1 inch black bar from sie to side about 2 inches from the bottom. Called Pioneer. They gave me a the name of the local service center. They picked it up and returned it to me in 2 weeks. The tech said it was a failed 100 pin scanner chip. He said it was the 3rd screen he has seen fail in a similar manner with the same chip being the root cause. I still love this unit and look forward to a better experience in the coming years. Best of luck to all. -jd-

[Stan Corrected]

Posted this in general display forum; someone suggested that I re-post here.

Just got 5050 (on loan until 5060 arrives). Hooked up Samsung DirecTV HD receiver through DVI - HDMI; no prob. Looks superb.

Hooked up xbox360 to component Input on 5050, but it will only display in 480. The xbox is set for 1080i output (in fact it works on my other tv - Samsung dlp).
I've tried inputs 1, & 4 on Pioneer..no dif.

Are there only certain 1080i inputs on this set? Or is there a way to change resolution setting on inputs.

I'm very confused, and would appreciate any help!

[mooneydriver]

That's really bizarre. There are no settings on the TV that you need to tinker with; it should pick up any input resolution correctly. If the 5050 says it's receiving the xbox output as 480i, I suspect that the xbox is outputting the signal as 480i.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Stan Corrected]Posted this in general display forum; someone suggested that I re-post here.

Just got 5050 (on loan until 5060 arrives). Hooked up Samsung DirecTV HD receiver through DVI - HDMI; no prob. Looks superb.

Hooked up xbox360 to component Input on 5050, but it will only display in 480. The xbox is set for 1080i output (in fact it works on my other tv - Samsung dlp).
I've tried inputs 1, & 4 on Pioneer..no dif.

Are there only certain 1080i inputs on this set? Or is there a way to change resolution setting on inputs.

I'm very confused, and would appreciate any help![/QUOTE]

I answered your question in your orginal post. Inputs 1 and 3 are the ONLY HD inputs.

And are you playing a XBox game or XBox360 game? If you play a XBox game in a XBox360, it's not going to upconvert it to 1080i or 720p.

[mraub]

I wonder if anyone but me is using a Pioneer commercial display. I hung a PDP-614MX this weekend. So far I'm very pleased with the picture quality. The menu structure of the commercial units is much different from the consumer models. I'm trying to figure out what the numerical (1-2-3-4 etc) gamma and color temperature settings mean in objective terms.

Thanks for any help.

[jb0362]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]Did you enable the HDMI port on input 3? Turn to input 3, go into the options menu....HDMI...and make sure it is enabled.[/QUOTE]

I have a PDP4350
Yes my HDMI is enabled.

Has anyone had any issues with the HDIM sound on the media box?


Lately I have had the sound cut out. I have had to turn the TV off and back on in order for the sound to come back. Has anyone had this problem? I am curious if it is my COX cable box. Cox says it is not them.

[Jammer340]

Howdy. I just got my 5061 this past weekend and have a few questions I was wondering if I could get some help on:

1. I currently have SD cable going from Tivo to receiver to input 1 via RCA cable. Every channel is in 4:3 Wide mode. I can't seem to talk the input into displaying the image in 4:3 with the bars on the side. Any idea why I can't do this?

2. My display is making a buzzing sound. I can hear it from 8 feet away. I find it pretty distracting, even with the volume on the receiver turned up. Is this something I'm going to have to live with, or can I make a case for someone at Best Buy to come out and take a look at it?

Thanks in advance.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Jammer340]Howdy. I just got my 5061 this past weekend and have a few questions I was wondering if I could get some help on:

1. I currently have SD cable going from Tivo to receiver to input 1 via RCA cable. Every channel is in 4:3 Wide mode. I can't seem to talk the input into displaying the image in 4:3 with the bars on the side. Any idea why I can't do this?

2. My display is making a buzzing sound. I can hear it from 8 feet away. I find it pretty distracting, even with the volume on the receiver turned up. Is this something I'm going to have to live with, or can I make a case for someone at Best Buy to come out and take a look at it?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

1. Turn auto format off.

2. If you can hear it at 8 feet with volume, get the panel replaced.

[Jammer340]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]1. Turn auto format off.

2. If you can hear it at 8 feet with volume, get the panel replaced.[/QUOTE]

Hey D-Nice, thanks for your help. I have a setting called Auto Size, is that similar to Auto Format? If so, I turned it off, then manually changed the display to 4:3. When I did so, the area that I would have expected to see grey bars actually displayed part of what was in the 4:3 area of the screen.

Does what I'm describing make sense? So, for example, picture an image being displayed in the 4:3 area of the screen. Then slice that in to 3's. The left third of the image was also being displayed where the left grey bar should have been, and the right third of the image was also being displayed where the right grey bar should have been.

This also appears to be happening when I play a DVD. Is my TV screwed?

[Hfamily]

Hi
A Question about dead/bad pixel on pioneer plasma
I found one red dot in display by accident. Just connect PC to Pio to check image retention went away or not and found one red spot on it.
1/ Is it normal for plasma & can be recovered as image retention ?
2/ Can dead/bad pixel spread out later on ?
Tks

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Jammer340]Hey D-Nice, thanks for your help. I have a setting called Auto Size, is that similar to Auto Format? If so, I turned it off, then manually changed the display to 4:3. When I did so, the area that I would have expected to see grey bars actually displayed part of what was in the 4:3 area of the screen.

Does what I'm describing make sense? So, for example, picture an image being displayed in the 4:3 area of the screen. Then slice that in to 3's. The left third of the image was also being displayed where the left grey bar should have been, and the right third of the image was also being displayed where the right grey bar should have been.

This also appears to be happening when I play a DVD. Is my TV screwed?[/QUOTE]

Find the setting in the options menu for the side bars. Set it to fixed.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Hfamily]Hi
A Question about dead/bad pixel on pioneer plasma
I found one red dot in display by accident. Just connect PC to Pio to check image retention went away or not and found one red spot on it.
1/ Is it normal for plasma & can be recovered as image retention ?
2/ Can dead/bad pixel spread out later on ?
Tks[/QUOTE]


Normal for a pasma to have a dead pixel? Yes

Will it spread? No

[Jammer340]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]Find the setting in the options menu for the side bars. Set it to fixed.[/QUOTE]

Hey, that worked. :) You should change your name from "D-Nice" to "D-Man".

Are grey bars better than black bars to prevent burn in?

Either way, I was under the impression that if the color of the bars fluctuated it was better for preventing burn in. Since my display is set to fixed should I not use the bars?

What do other people do when displaying in 4:3? Do you use the bars or do you use the wide mode?

[bdspilot]

[QUOTE=jb0362]I have a PDP4350
Yes my HDMI is enabled.

Has anyone had any issues with the HDIM sound on the media box?


Lately I have had the sound cut out. I have had to turn the TV off and back on in order for the sound to come back. Has anyone had this problem? I am curious if it is my COX cable box. Cox says it is not them.[/QUOTE]

Only when I fast fwd then rewind. The sound quits working occasionally. I connect the 6412 using HDMI.

[gohd]

[QUOTE=Jammer340]
What do other people do when displaying in 4:3? Do you use the bars or do you use the wide mode?[/QUOTE]
No like "wide". I vary my content pretty evenly between 16:9, 4:3, top/bottom bars and side bars, so I don't sweat burn-in too much.

[wildwood]

Hey all,

Great thread!

Have my 5050 up and running now...so far so good. I have a simple question regarding picture settings. I am seeing what I call an "oil painting" quality to the on screen image (I think Pioneer calls it "false contouring" in their literature). Is this a setting issue that I have not dicovered yet?

Thanks

[Shinnbone]

Hello Everyone:

I have a Elite Pro92HD that I purchased from Best Buy/Magnolia in November of 2005. Yesterday, my display shut itself off for no apparent reason. I unplugged it and plugged it back in; it worked for about 2 hours but then shut itself off again. Now, nothing happens.

However, I note the following on the media receiver when unplugging and plugging in the media receiver:

1. The light for Rec timer flashes once and then is dark.
2. The lights for "On" and "Standby" are solid and are green and red respectively.

The unit itself is well ventilated but I did notice the fan having a sputtered start and stop earlier (now, it doesn't go at all).

Do I have the beginnings of a dead box? Any thoughts? If I send it to BB/Magnolia for repair, what is people's experience as far as turn around time on a repair (the wife and kids are already angry at 1 days' loss).

Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

Thx.
John

[Nuzy]

[QUOTE=Shinnbone]Hello Everyone:

I have a Elite Pro92HD that I purchased from Best Buy/Magnolia in November of 2005. Yesterday, my display shut itself off for no apparent reason. I unplugged it and plugged it back in; it worked for about 2 hours but then shut itself off again. Now, nothing happens.

However, I note the following on the media receiver when unplugging and plugging in the media receiver:

1. The light for Rec timer flashes once and then is dark.
2. The lights for "On" and "Standby" are solid and are green and red respectively.

The unit itself is well ventilated but I did notice the fan having a sputtered start and stop earlier (now, it doesn't go at all).

Do I have the beginnings of a dead box? Any thoughts? If I send it to BB/Magnolia for repair, what is people's experience as far as turn around time on a repair (the wife and kids are already angry at 1 days' loss).

Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

Thx.
John[/QUOTE]
The fan should stay on all the time, so that's seems to be a sure sign something is not right. Maybe you can work a deal with BB/Magnolia to replace it with a 930. Since it's an Elite with a 2 yr warranty you still have coverage, so you could always call Pioneer and have them schedule a service tech to come out. I'm not sure whether it would be quicker to call Pioneer directly or take it to BB.

[gohd]

[QUOTE=Shinnbone]
Do I have the beginnings of a dead box? Any thoughts? If I send it to BB/Magnolia for repair, what is people's experience as far as turn around time on a repair (the wife and kids are already angry at 1 days' loss).
[/QUOTE]
If you purchased the extended purchase plan, I guess you could go either route (Pio or BB). Personally, I'd prefer to have a Pio tech work on my TV. But, I'm spoiled because I live within 20 minutes of their US headquarters in Long Beach CA. I had a similar problem a while back(something to do with digital channels sending "bad" packets of data that caused a lockup/shutdown) and Pio sent a senior tech straight from headquarters, so my TV was fixed within a day. Just required a FW fix, that took the tech about 30-45mins to fix.

Not BB, but turned-in a CD player to CC under an extended warranty. Per warranty, requires 3 attempts to fix a problem before they'll offer a replacement. I eventually got a replacement, but each time took 2-4 weeks.

[jay214128]

I have had my 1120 Elite for just over a year now. I have had many problems with it, and Pioneer has replaced the media receiver three times. I have some questions about the operation of other peoples media receivers. The most recent receiver that was replaced and it's replacement both had/have the same software version (6700), yet they behave very differently. With the latest replacement, when I change to a digital channel, the audio remains muted for about 2 seconds after the picture locks, the previous one emitted audio right away. What is normal for this? On the previous receiver, I discovered an (apparently) undocumented program guide screen that I could access by pressing the menu key and then the sat guide key. This program guide screen is no longer accessible with the latest replacement. I am suspicious that Pioneer is putting different versions of software in their receivers with the same version string, or there are some hidden configuration options that I don't know about. I still am having the problem with the replacement receiver where when I change from an analog channel to a digital channel, I sometimes get no audio at all, just picture. Anyone else experience this problem?

[gohd]

No noticeable problems with my 1120 since the aforementioned FW fix (see reply #899). I have HD DirecTivo via HDMI and Sony NS975V DVD player via HDMI. Any 'hiccups' while changing channels (between OTA and/or Sat digital channels), I've attributed to the HD DirecTivo, which is only slightly slower than my SD DirecTivo setup on my older TV. Nowhere near 2 second hiccups though. As for the "program guide" you mention, IIRC before hooking up the Tivo, I couldn't get the guide to work for OTA channels either.

Are you just OTA? So, when you say you're switching between digital and analog channels, does that mean you're switching between UHF and VHF signals? I could be wrong, but I thought most OTA digitals were UHF and analogs were VHF (at least in L.A. area). IIRC, when I had my old combo UHF/VHF antenna (have since installed CM4228 UHF only antenna), they VHF analog stations just looked awful on the 1120.

[jay214128]

According to Pioneer, I have the latest firmware version (6700K). Post #899 does not mention a version number. I suspect that Pioneer configured some parameters in some hidden configuration menus to "dumb down" my receiver to work around the problems I am having, therefore the audio delay. Before going back to Alan and Bob at Pioneer, I thought I would try to find out what other's experience is.

Previously, when the repair guy came out, he entered some commands from a remote control and accessed some diagnostic screens. There were configuration options there (like controlling the fan speed), so I know such menus and configuration parameters exist, just not what they all do or how to access them.

I am OTA only. The analog (NTSC) channels are both VHF and UHF (doesn't make any difference) and they look fine. The digital (ATSC) channels are all UHF for now, but that will change when the analog stations shut down. I receive most of the Los Angeles market stations and the San Diego stations, so there is hardly a single channel that doesn't have at least one station broadcasting on it.

[jmonaco]

I've had my 1120 Elite for a year as well. I have not had any major problems. When I first got the Elite, I had the local dealer come out to reduce the buzzing noise the display was making (apparently a common occurence). The only other service I've had on it was replacing the two fans last month. They started getting noisy. The 24 hour response from the time my dealer (Paradym Audio in Sacramento) received my call, received replacement fans over night from Pioneer, and installed them the next day was excellent. I do not know what S/W version I'm running or how to find that out.

[jay214128]

To see the software version, press and hold the display key on the remote. Hold it continuously for about 5-6 seconds, until the version display shows up on the screen.

[jmonaco]

[QUOTE=jay214128]To see the software version, press and hold the display key on the remote. Hold it continuously for about 5-6 seconds, until the version display shows up on the screen.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I get: -004600K

[gohd]

[QUOTE=jay214128]Post #899 does not mention a version number. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, didn't mean to say I posted the FW version. Also, forgot I had the "buzz" fix installed too.

[Nuzy]

[QUOTE=jmonaco]Thanks. I get: -004600K[/QUOTE]
I get the same thing...wonder what the difference is between version 4600K and version 6700K?

[el_coqui]

I'm trying to get info to buy a Pioneer and want to buy the latest model. There are a couple different 50" models for sell, PRO1140HD and PRO1130HD. Can someone list the new Pioneer models that are out?

[Joon TV]

You dug up a almost 2 year old thread to ask this question? All you had to do was go to www.pioneerelectronics.com and look at their site.

[misato70]

I have a 1130hd, 79av-i and a 74txv-i. the cable box is component and has no hdmi. the dvd to receiver and back to media box is all hdmi. I have some X10's pluged into input2 which doesnt have component. So my problem is I just got an xbox360 and it looks like the only input left is on the front(input 4)?

is there no other way to hook it up? can input 3 share hdmi AND component?
I'm supposed to have these cords hanging off the front after spending hours hiding all the other cables?? this seems stupid. I must be missing something.

also, why the hell isn't there a pc input on the BACK??????!!!! again. another cable hanging off the front?

thanks for any help.
also, am I in the right thread?
yeah, sorry. I'm a newbie :confused:

[misato70]

is there a 1130 thread? or is it close to the 1120?

[gohd]

[QUOTE=misato70]I have a 1130hd, 79av-i and a 74txv-i. the cable box is component and has no hdmi. the dvd to receiver and back to media box is all hdmi. I have some X10's pluged into input2 which doesnt have component. So my problem is I just got an xbox360 and it looks like the only input left is on the front(input 4)?

is there no other way to hook it up? can input 3 share hdmi AND component?
I'm supposed to have these cords hanging off the front after spending hours hiding all the other cables?? this seems stupid. I must be missing something.

also, why the hell isn't there a pc input on the BACK??????!!!! again. another cable hanging off the front?

thanks for any help.
also, am I in the right thread?
yeah, sorry. I'm a newbie :confused:[/QUOTE]
How about input all audio & video into the receiver then from receiver to media receiver? 74txvi has 2hdmi in and 1 out. Go 79 to 74 via HDMI, xbox to 74 (optical audio and component video to matched inputs) and same for cable box. Then 74's HDMI out to input 1 on TV. That leaves the 1130's HDMI input 2 for whatever you want (what's an x10?).

What's nice about the 74, is that you can mix/match audio inputs with video inputs (but not for HDMI).

[misato70]

ahh. I didnt think of that. so the tv would be on the same input, its just the reciever that you would change..?
x10's are those cheap wireless cameras
thanks for the advice. I'll take a look.

[jay214128]

[QUOTE=misato70]can input 3 share hdmi AND component?
[/QUOTE]
Yes it can. I have an 1120HD media receiver and have a Panasonic DMR-EH55 DVR/DVD recorder connected to both the component and HDMI inputs on input 3. The audio is directly connected to the surround receiver via TOSLINK. To select between the component and HDMI inputs, I use the input menu on the media receiver to enable/disable HDMI on input 3. I use the HDMI for watching DVDs (upconverted to 1080i) and component for standard definition programming (DVDs, DVR). I too am using the component video input 4 and have just gotten use to the cables on the front.

One of the "flaws" with the 1120HD was that the media receiver does not pass the digital audio stream from an HDMI input to it's digital audio output (TOSLINK), so each of my components connected to the HDMI input must be connected to the surround receiver separately. The audio from an HDMI input can only be heard from the TVs built in speakers. I don't know if this got fixed in the 1130.

[misato70]

thanks for all the info. I hooked everything up to the receiver and it works great. the only thing is that I have to have it on all the time now, where before I could just watch tv and listen to the tv's built in speakers.

[gohd]

[QUOTE=misato70]thanks for all the info. I hooked everything up to the receiver and it works great. the only thing is that I have to have it on all the time now, where before I could just watch tv and listen to the tv's built in speakers.[/QUOTE]
Glad to read everything's working. Although not a necessity, you can now look into setting up everything with SR+ cables. One neat feature is that I can see my 74txvi's volume and other settings on my 1120. I bought a camcorder to camcorder dubbing cable on ebay for 1/4 the price Pio's charging for their "SR+" cable and it works perfectly. Another major plus of connecting equipment using these cables is the ability to control all SR+ connected equipment via one infrared sensor. Might come in handy if you're trying to hide some equipment.

Yeah, it took me a while to get used to having the receiver on all the time, but I prefer it now. My Harmony remote simplifies power-up and input switching quite nicely.

[misato70]

I'll have to look up the sr+ cable. I dont think I've heard of it. I do want to get a uni remote now.. too damn many of them. it would be nice for the volume to show up on the 1130

[plasmalvr]

I'm curious to know the settings people have for their televisons. I'm sure anyone who has one of these models has over 1000 hours on it so is therefore fully "broken in". I like the picture on my Pioneer Elite 1120 but it as the "breaking in" settings stll. I'm ready to make the the leap and tweak the settings a bit but would like to get some advice from you folks.

Best Regards,

plasmalvr