HP 42" Plasma PL4200N same as Panasonic 42px500u

[10dulkar]

hi guys

been reading stuff on this forum for ages - now have a question. am planning to buy a plasma in the next day or two...

am really interested in the 500u but cant find it anywhere so have more or less given up. then, i heard from someone that the new HP PL4200N is the same as the 500u. went to J&R to check it out and every last detail (placement of buttons, shape of tv etc) is the same between the two. does anyone have any idea if this is indeed the same as the panny, and also how good bad is it.

other than this - only 2 other choices for me are the samsung 4252 and the philips...

would love to hear from you guys....

thanks in advance...

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]...... i heard from someone that the new HP PL4200N is the same as the 500u. went to J&R to check it out and every last detail (placement of buttons, shape of tv etc) is the same between the two. does anyone have any idea if this is indeed the same as the panny, and also how good bad is it.[/QUOTE]

It's not a Panny and it doesn't really look like a PX500U. It looks more like a Pioneer without speakers than a PX500U . . . .

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/31484731-2-200-0.gif

[10dulkar]

i am sorry to contradict you, but it is the same tv. check the specs of the tv - each and every line is the exact same. check the shape of the tv, especially from the side...also take a look at the photographs of the connections...exactly same...infact all the diagrams on the rear panel are same too...in fact the description of the sound technology of the tv is exactly the same too.....

if this is not the same tv - then HP has probably infringed a 100 patents....

[10dulkar]

here is some more info on both TV's...

first the HP
dimension: 28.8 x 44.8 x 5.4 in.
Resolution: 1024 x 768
Contrast Ratio: Up to 3000:1
Displayable Colors: Up to 8.58 bn colors
Shades of Gradation: 2,048 shades
Panel life: Up to 60,000 hours
BBE ViVA HD3D Sound


now the Panasonic
dimension: 28.8 x 44.8 x 5.4 in.
Resolution: 1024 x 768
Contrast Ratio: Up to 3000:1
Displayable Colors: Up to 8.58 bn colors
Panel life: Up to 60,000 hours
BBE ViVA High-Definition 3D Sound

also spent lot of time looking at both tv's yesterday...in fact one of the sales guys told me that one of the reason they feel panny 500u stock is unavailable is because they have been sourcing the panels to hp...of course this is his opinion which may be completely wrong...

i really liked the HP - but i read this board very regularly and am sort of hoping for one of you experts to chime in and maybe confirm what I know or provide some additional info....

thanks a ton....

[snowjay]

I think they look really close...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007WKB50.01-AIWHEFKG4HT6N._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AV14NQ.01-A1NDBS7YGOPBD6.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[10dulkar]

in fact if you can find photos of the side or the back (with the connection panel) you will see that it is identical...

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]hi guys

been reading stuff on this forum for ages - now have a question. am planning to buy a plasma in the next day or two...

am really interested in the 500u but cant find it anywhere so have more or less given up. then, i heard from someone that the new HP PL4200N is the same as the 500u. went to J&R to check it out and every last detail (placement of buttons, shape of tv etc) is the same between the two. does anyone have any idea if this is indeed the same as the panny, and also how good bad is it.

other than this - only 2 other choices for me are the samsung 4252 and the philips...

would love to hear from you guys....

thanks in advance...[/QUOTE]

I absolutely agree with you, this is a thinly disguised 42PX500U, even down to the sub-pixel control. Furthermore the PL5000N is a 50PX500U. I spent 20 years in consumer electronics and I can tell you this is quite common, I'm just surprised no one picked up on it before now. I actually like the all black front of the HP better then the Panasonic's black & silver. (I wish they had a version of the 50PX50U).

[snowjay]

My 27" Quasar that my new plasma replaced was just a rebranded Panasonic CRT. I had a smaller version Panny in the bedroom and the remotes were identical (except for brand name) and could operate each others sets, not to mention the menu system was the same. The real giveaway was the instruction manual, in bold letters on the front: Instruction Manual for PANASONIC xxxx/QUASAR xxxx. ;)

I'd say if the HP has the same menus as the Panny, it's the same with a different bezel and no other mods.

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=snowjay]My 27" Quasar that my new plasma replaced was just a rebranded Panasonic CRT. I had a smaller version Panny in the bedroom and the remotes were identical (except for brand name) and could operate each others sets, not to mention the menu system was the same. The real giveaway was the instruction manual, in bold letters on the front: Instruction Manual for PANASONIC xxxx/QUASAR xxxx. ;)

I'd say if the HP has the same menus as the Panny, it's the same with a different bezel and no other mods.[/QUOTE]

Actually that's a little different as Matsushita owns both the Panasonic and Quasar brand names.

[10dulkar]

so what do the experts think - is it worth buying? also how would this compare to the toshiba 42HP95 - keep in mind that the toshiba is atleast 300-400 cheaper...


thanks for your inputs guys...would have loved to get a 500u, but seeing the inventory situation i guess i have to make do with a rebadged 500u

[E55 KEV]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]so what do the experts think - is it worth buying? also how would this compare to the toshiba 42HP95 - keep in mind that the toshiba is atleast 300-400 cheaper...

thanks for your inputs guys...would have loved to get a 500u, but seeing the inventory situation i guess i have to make do with a rebadged 500u[/QUOTE]

The 42px500u is one of my favorites as well as the others mentioned. I like th HP because of the Piano Black Finish and would love to have the Toshiba 42HP95. The Toshiba 42HP95 ($2,999.99) may be the best priced, but it really competes with the 42PX50U ($2,999.99) while the 42PX500U ($3,499.99) and HP4200N probably competes with the Toshiba 42HPX95 ($3,499.99).

I like the idea of adding the Toshiba Symbio Digital Recorder ($299.99). I want to time-shift record my favorite off-air TV shows in HD so badly and the Symbio is probably one of the cheapest ways to do that I am aware off.

Crutchfield has the 42PX500U, 42HPX95 and 42HP95.

[10dulkar]

thanks for your input - i love the look of the HP too...am most probably going to get the HP, though I really like the toshiba too....

aahhhhhhggggg!!!!

decisions decisions decisions!!!

[1920x1080]

What about country of manufacture? If Japan or Mexico, that might be another clue. I believe the previous HP's were made in Taiwan, weren't they?

[hamlyn]

What about support? My HP support experiences have been far from stellar, so I would also consider the track record of both vendors and even go as far as to check with the retailer what their experiences have been with each brand.

[jcpzero]

They do look similar. Make sure you check the specs from two different sources, I have seen too many times where specs have been quoted wrong.

Also try downloading the pdf manuals and making sure the functions are the same (Stretch modes etc).

If the HP truly is a "clone" of the px500u -> what a great find (especially if priced lower)!


JCPZero

[Jodeus]

E55

I can only comment on the Toshiba 42HP95 which I've had for almost two weeks now. It is awesome. In fact I think it can be compared to the 42px500u because the only differences I can tell between the Toshiba 42HP95 and the 42HPX95 is that the HPX has two HDMI slots and also a networking jack that allows the TV to play MP3 and JPG files from networked PCs.
The 42HP95, which BB and other stores are carrying, has many, if not all the features of the 42px500u: cablecard, pip/picture split, cablecard, TV Guide, PC VGA input...
The 42hp95 doesn't have the nice black finish like the 42hpx95 but the grey/light grey finish looks pretty good.

-Jody

[10553311]

Ok all - I took the plunge-

I've been set on the 500u for a very long time. Even had one on order from an online retailer since 9/13/05 for a very very good price, but with no delivery date. I decided to go and pick one up on 9/28 at Brandsmart's new Atlanta's location as they had one in stock for $300 more + tax.

Well I've followed this thread the last 2 days. I get to the store, the HP is there- and it is in fact the same TV but with no TVGOS. But it is $300 cheaper. Long story short - it's (the HP) in my house now.

I will give more details and pics, but trust me- it's the same TV. And it is oh so beautiful. Also after doing some digging in addition to being told by management it was the same TV, I found a provider of different cables for all units and look at this line item.

Panasonic (HP) PL4200N PDP
Panasonic (HP) PL5200N PDP

Source = http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/OC_PNP.pdf.
Go to above link and search PDF for PL4200 and that is what you'll find.

It's a beautiful set - it swivels, all black, and AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the start of the thread 10dulkar.

The power of forums - now to find the right DVD player.

I also returned a 37" LCD Sharp Saturday as it was just too bright for my bedroom. Again - great price - just too bright.

Night all- I would take pictures but wife is sleep-so we'll just have to wait on that.

[bri1270]

Think they have a version for the 42PD50 and the 42PX50U ?

[djlackey5]

HP's roster of plasma screens can be found here:

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/generic_subcategory.do?storeName=storefronts&landing=entertainment&category=flat_panel_tvs&subcat1=plasma&catLevel=2

They have five different 42 inchers ( $1900 to $3300) and one 50" ($4300). Free shipping, but I would imagine that these prices could be beat by local retailers, although I have not checked.

[10dulkar]

glad you guys are liking the TV - i am going to go today and check it out once more and if I still like it (which i am sure, i will) i am getting this tv...looks really beautiful. i actually went and checked out the toshiba 42HP95 at best buy but just didnt like it...it was next to a philips and samsung and they both looked better....

...anyway guys keep sharing your thoughts...this could be a great deal!

[Yoda1]

So weird but my BB hasn't put out any of these new sets - Toshiba plasma, Sony XBR. I'd definitely like to see how the Toshiba looks 'cause I usually like their products and I want a new plasma.

Anyway, that HP looks really really nice. Just wish it had an additional HDMI input like the Hitachi 42HDS52.

[10553311]

[QUOTE=1920x1080]What about country of manufacture? If Japan or Mexico, that might be another clue. I believe the previous HP's were made in Taiwan, weren't they?[/QUOTE]

My HP says made in Japan on back.

[10dulkar]

that is awesome...pretty rare to find a 'made in japan' sticker these days...went during lunch and saw the tv again - it is beautiful...the image was flawless. am going to place the order right now...

thanks for all your help guys!

[ressom]

Manual:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?dlc=en&lc=en&product=1099027&cc=us&

[buck1s]

Does anyone know what's the max degree of swivel on the 42 inch HP? I realize not many people have one yet, so does anyone have any info about the degree of swivel on the Panasonic 42px500u? Thanks.

[10dulkar]

done!

just bought the tv - will be delivered on saturday and will keep you guys posted on how things go....

overall got a great deal including delivery...

[Jodeus]

Yoda

I noticed today that Toshiba has updated their website finally and do have some specs:
Toshiba 42hp95 Plasma (http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=42hp95)

Toshiba 42hpx95 Plasma (http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=42hpx95)

I would say that I would had looked at the HP if I knew that it was the Panasonic relabeled. But, and I've said this in a few threads (oh well someone has to champion the cause!), the Toshiba has met all my expectations and exceeded them in some areas (sound especially).

-Jody

[CJArciola, III]

The hp set is so similar that the manual states the picture aspect choices as wide, zoom, full, and just. I thought only panasonic used the term "just." Even the audio controls seem similar to the panasonic when they are described in the manual. I'm starting to believe they are very, very similar sets. The more I look at the manual, the more identical these sets become. But what about all the other electronics that go into making the set function? Are they of equal quality?

[Yoda1]

[QUOTE=Jodeus]Yoda

I noticed today that Toshiba has updated their website finally and do have some specs:
Toshiba 42hp95 Plasma (http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=42hp95)

Toshiba 42hpx95 Plasma (http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=42hpx95)

I would say that I would had looked at the HP if I knew that it was the Panasonic relabeled. But, and I've said this in a few threads (oh well someone has to champion the cause!), the Toshiba has met all my expectations and exceeded them in some areas (sound especially).

-Jody[/QUOTE]


Could you tell me a little more. How are the black levels? How is color reproduction? How is DVD playback. How is SD and stretch modes. I ask because I actually did see a Toshiba plasma at 6th Ave. a few weeks ago and noticed some slight ghosting around the edges of objects in certain scenes; looked like white edges around things, very annoying. I could get this set from Crutchfield and I definitely want a new plasma. Any more feedback on this set would be great.

I don't see any burn-in prevention technology listed on the specs .... I hope it has that. Set looks very good.

[Yoda1]

bump

[ccjgil]

If in fact these are rebadged panasonics, then the ED model would appear to be an upgrade over the panasonic version with improved sound and aesthetics. I know that Microcenter has these on display (ED and HD) and I will be going by this weekend to take a look. I will post feedback later.

[CJArciola, III]

I just got through scanning the entire manual for the PL5000N. I can't believe I wasn't reading the manual for the Panasonic 500u set! (I've seen both) Everything but the font used is identical. I may be naive, but how is this possible? Can both these sets be of equal quality? How do we know the HP set uses the same panel as the panasonic set? I'm just afraid it will be ok for 2-3 weeks then ghosting, smearing, excessive noise, buzzing and anything else that can go wrong will appear and it will be past the 21 day return window from HP. Then what????

[ANHEDONIC]

if these sets are the same in terms of hardware does that mean they also have the poor DC Restoration problem?

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]i am sorry to contradict you, but it is the same tv. check the specs of the tv - each and every line is the exact same. check the shape of the tv, especially from the side...also take a look at the photographs of the connections...exactly same...infact all the diagrams on the rear panel are same too...in fact the description of the sound technology of the tv is exactly the same too.....[/QUOTE]I apologize, at first i thought you were saying it's literally the same TV and it's obviously a slightly different design (differenent facia and base etc) but now i realize it's the same TV on the inside but i still don't think it looks like the Panny (at least not the front fascia). Had i known about this HP when i was shopping four months ago i probably would have bought it instead of the PX50U !

It is a handsome display, although i don't like the appearance of the PX500U all that much. Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention, most people wouldn't think to give an HP a look since they're more famous for office equipment. Who would have thought Panasonic would allow their high-end plasma to be sold under an HP label?

[Yoda1]

[QUOTE=ANHEDONIC]if these sets are the same in terms of hardware does that mean they also have the poor DC Restoration problem?[/QUOTE]


Most likely.

[Kevin C Brown]

Is the HP available any cheaper than the Panasonic?

[Casey Jones]

Is the release of this HP panel one of the reasons the 500U is currently in short supply or backorder?

[10553311]

[QUOTE=Kevin C Brown]Is the HP available any cheaper than the Panasonic?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

[10dulkar]

it is available fairly cheaper - lets just say it is well under the msrp listed on the hp website...send me a PM and i can give you details...

...one thing i must repeat - the set is drop dead beautiful....and i watched about 10 minutes of T2 - the beginning war scene...it was just plain sweet!

[Jodeus]

I hate to keep taking this thread in many directions but:

Yoda

I've been running my Toshiba for the past two weeks at a reduced (burn-in period) setting (contrast and brightness at 40).
Let me preface by saying this is my first plasma but I used to use them a few years ago in business. The blacks on the Toshiba look black...simple as that. I haven't really seen any ghosting during playback. I've watched a few DVDs through composite cables, using 'Finding Nemo' as the initial test and it looked incredible, the colors were so vibrant.
As for anti-burnin there are a few things. They have settings on the TV called 'Long Life Features' such as Picture Shift (if a screen is left idle for too long the picture will move in a counterclockwise direction), different grey level sidebars, a 'reverse' setting so that if there is a still image the picture will be displayed alternately between positive image and negative image, and a 'white' setting which will display a white pattern on the entire screen.

-Jody

[ressom]

You should start a new thread to talk about the Toshiba... it is totally off topic.

[Solderbot]

HP Pavilion PL5000N

Link to PDF Datasheet (javascript:openWin('/shopping/pdf/pw778aa.pdf',600,600);)

Rear of the HP:
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5451/hpback0pz.jpg

Side: (Notice the distinctive bulge at the bottom)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2886/hpside1wj.jpg

[10dulkar]

alright people - got more PM's than i expected....i am aware that I cannot post the price here so let me tell you what I can and we will see if it is ok...

i got it from J&R...i think this part is fine...

without giving details of the price let give you guys a clue as to how much i paid...take a look at the price on the website - since i am in NJ, i dont pay any tax...

i was able to negotiate with them and my final price is a little lower than whats listed in the website and includes delivery....

so just to repeat...TV + NO Tax + Delivery = little less than whats on their website for TV alone...

also i got the deal by working with one very aggressive sales guy - if you are really interested in buying the tv (once you are done with your research), PM me and I will give you his name...

another thing i should mention - J&R is almost out of stock...word is spreading abt the tv and if i am not mistaken they dont have more than 1-2 pieces...

[CJArciola, III]

J&R's return policy is "no return policy" on tv's....not sure I like that. If anything is wrong with it, it must be repaired by the manufacturer. NO exchanges, refunds, returns for any reason.

[frank bavaro]

i'm told not onfront but on side ?
can anyone confirm ?
are they easily accessable ?

[10553311]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]i'm told not onfront but on side ?
can anyone confirm ?
are they easily accessable ?[/QUOTE]

On the HP - inputs on front - I have the set in my house.

[frank bavaro]

any cons , at all ?

[haveoneolboy]

HP Pavilion PE4200N 42" Enhanced Definition Plasma TV

I just ordered one of these from HP. MSRP $1999 with free freight. It is Panasonic made with the HP specs. I like the look of this model better along with the included universal backlit remote, stand, integrated 6 speakers and sub woofer, Dolby Digital output and integrated tuner.

Here is some info on inputs/outputs
1 HDMI, Antenna Input (75 Ohms F connector), 2 Component Input (Y, Pb, Pr), 2 (total) S-Video Input, PC Input (RGB-VGA), A/V Out

3 (total) A/V Audio Inputs, 2 (total) component audio in, 1 Digital audio out

All the plasma screen specs are the exact same as the ED Panny's (as they should be since Panasonic made these).

I have been looking to purchase an ED Plasma for 7 months. I was almost ready to purchase the TH-42PD50U Panny but this one is exactly what I am looking for and just caught my eye. I'll give a report when everything is set up. At my 10 to 12 ft. viewing distance you can't tell the difference in ED VS. HD.

[ressom]

I don't think the PE4200N has a PC input.

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]any cons , at all ?[/QUOTE]

Where do you plan on ordering from?

[frank bavaro]

.

[haveoneolboy]

On the HP website under specs it states "PC Input (RGB-VGA)"

Do you think HP would have a set that you couldn't connect your computer to?

BTW-I ordered directly from HP.

[frank bavaro]

very excited
email me for details , anyone
got a, what i feel , was a great deal

[10553311]

If in these states or near Brandsmart locations in these states- make sure you go in and get the low price and take it home with you that day (I have a contact in both locations in Atlanta)

- 5 day return and 30 day exchange policy

[ressom]

[QUOTE=haveoneolboy]On the HP website under specs it states "PC Input (RGB-VGA)"

Do you think HP would have a set that you couldn't connect your computer to?

BTW-I ordered directly from HP.[/QUOTE]


I think that spec is wrong. Look at the PDF on the bottom of this page with the specs:

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=PW780AA%23ABA&tab=detailed_specs&storeName=storefronts&landing=&category=flat_panel_tvs&subcat1=plasma&catLevel=3#defaultAnchor

Also look at the 3-D pics on the top... no PC input is shown.

Also the HP PE4200N looks like the Panny 42PD50U which also doesn't have a PC input.

[haveoneolboy]

You are correct, there is a "no" next to PC input listed on the PDF spec sheet for this set. My video card has S-Video out. I wonder how that would look on this screen VS. the VGA input?

[toneman]

[QUOTE=RandyWalters]...most people wouldn't think to give an HP a look since they're more famous for office equipment. Who would have thought Panasonic would allow their high-end plasma to be sold under an HP label?[/QUOTE]
One would hope--especially if you have some vested financial interest--that this joint venture lasts longer/works out better than the HP/Apple iPod attempt... ;)

[haveoneolboy]

Looks like HP did their homework this time around. They took arguably the best plasmas and made them look/sound better.

[Lanurd]

anyone know who may have made my HP PL4245N?

[Kevin C Brown]

I wonder if anyone has checked the HP for the changing black level the Pannys have? :)

[1920x1080]

[QUOTE=Lanurd]anyone know who may have made my HP PL4245N?[/QUOTE]
I thought somebody had found an EE Times article just prior to the product launch that hinted the 42" might've been built by Tatung. Other sources indicated Samsung for those 1st gen HP plasmas but didn't say which model.

[10dulkar]

got my HP - looks really beautiful...

some additional info - it is made in japan...also has a build date of july '05...

let me know if you guys have any questions and i will try to answer...

[ressom]

Just got back from Microcenter... they have them there as well (50" and 42" HD). Price is about the same as the 50U's at BB. But the HP's have 500U spec's.

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]got my HP - looks really beautiful...

some additional info - it is made in japan...also has a build date of july '05...

let me know if you guys have any questions and i will try to answer...[/QUOTE]

What size did you get?
How's the PQ? Black level? Comparable to the 500u?
I have a concern about the sound quality of the internal speakers...any good?
Notice problems with black levels changing (dc restoration issue)?
How is SD on this set?
Sorry for all the questions...enjoy the set.

[10dulkar]

hey guys

sorry for not replying earlier - had a busy weekend...anyway about the HP Plasma - all i can say is Wow!!! it is awesome...

i am not an expert so other people might have comments different from mine, but here is my take:

First about the tv itself - it is made in japan, which in itself is a huge plus for me. also it is a july '05 build in case any one is interested in knowing....

i havent got HD yet, and watched Lord of the rings on my unconverting norcent dvd player. the picture was flawless...perfect skintone, perfect blacks and in fact had all the setttings turned down quite low to break the tv in...

sound quality is pretty good - i am used to my home theather and that is not hooked in yet, so i cant really comment on the sound coz it does not compare to what i am used to, but overall it sounded pretty good...

havent seen sd yet - so again, no comments there...

overall - i am extremely happy with my set...

would appreciate some help from you folks actually...especially those of you who have the 50u or 500u - could you please share your settings with me?

thanks - and let me know if you have any questions...

[CJArciola, III]

Thanks for your feedback on the set...ordered one over the weekend; scheduled to arrive 10/13...l'd be interested to know how the set performs when you get hd/sd hooked up.

[10dulkar]

cool - nice to see that people are getting in on this set...where did you buy it from? if jr - can you pm the price you paid?

also can someone offer me some help on setting up an antenna for ota channels? i struggled last night to set it up but was unable to get perfect reception on a single channel...

...i stay in jersey, NJ and can either email you, PM you or call you...

...also what are some recommended settings for this tv?

thanks for all your help guys!

[daltavilla]

Hi I'm a new member & interested in the HP pl4200n. How is the brightness & is there any panel buzz. thanks

[10dulkar]

i have been keeping the brightness pretty low, but it is pretty good...also so far no buzzing...

[1920x1080]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]...would appreciate some help from you folks actually...especially those of you who have the 50u or 500u - could you please share your settings with me?...[/QUOTE]
If you have any THX DVD's, such as the Star Wars trilogy, you can use the video tests in the THX Optimizer (options menu) for establishing a quick-and-dirty starting point. Down the road you may want to invest in calibration disks, such as Digital Video Essentials (DVE) or Avia (consumer and "Pro" versions available) and/or a Datavision Colorfacts SpyderTV.

But to get the maximum performance out of your rig, you ought to look into getting an ISF-certified calibration after break-in. You will find many positive testimonials about it here in the forum.

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]i have been keeping the brightness pretty low, but it is pretty good...also so far no buzzing...[/QUOTE]

Be sure you keep the contrast below 50% or even lower if possible, especially during break-in period. (This is what I've read) I believe it's more crucial than the brightness level.

[Yawny]

Anyone know if Costco will be stocking these???

[rod_video]

just to confirm... I guess because of the specs (contrast ratio, etc.) one can be fairly certain that the displays themselves are the Panny 8th generation, right?

also, what about the DC restoration and buzzing bugs (so far one person says no buzzing above).

[bri1270]

Looks like CompUSA is carrying these now.

[daltavilla]

I am waiting for a reply from HP to verify if its parts are all Panny. I also read in the HP manual that they have a fan.

[10dulkar]

have people started receiving their tv's? have you set it up and what are your initial impressions?

thanks

[cucoo]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]
also can someone offer me some help on setting up an antenna for ota channels? i struggled last night to set it up but was unable to get perfect reception on a single channel...
[/QUOTE]

Have you check the antennaweb site ?

[10dulkar]

[QUOTE=cucoo]Have you check the antennaweb site ?[/QUOTE]

yup - i checked the site...i am not sure if i am doing something wrong, or if the antenna i bought is bad - i bought a Terk Indoor HDTV antenna...but i am really frustrated with the process...

i get a semi decent signal on fox, but none of the locals look good...

anyway...have people had a good experience with some other antennas? please let me know and i will surely try....

[ressom]

[QUOTE=bri1270]Looks like CompUSA is carrying these now.[/QUOTE]


Are these available in store? Their online price is 200 more than the HP site and 600 more than Microcenter's store price(excluding tax). Does compUSA price match?

[frank bavaro]

just ordered 2 sets of 6 ft components from bluejeans - will be at the house thursday, - one for hdtv and the other for dvd player,
going today, after work, to circuit city to get new hdtv directv reciever to replace std def ,
the new hp will go on the wall in family room replacing a 40" mits tube tv that was sunk into a wall and sits on a shelf inside a closet in my garage (garage on the other side of family room wall),
contractor fills hole thurs and fri (new sheetrock and taping ) ,

a/v guy comes sat a.m. to hang sanus, then hp, and do the connections

i'll report back after

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=daltavilla]I am waiting for a reply from HP to verify if its parts are all Panny. I also read in the HP manual that they have a fan.[/QUOTE]

I believe the Panasonic manual mentions something about noise (in troubleshooting section) that could be attributed to a fan and I believe the Panny doesn't have a fan. Possibly the HP doesn't have one either even though it mentions one in the same section.
EDIT: I just checked the manual...it's on page 59 of the Panasonic manual. It's also strange, but the wording used in describing what to check for the "whirring sounds" in both manuals is exactly the same.

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=bri1270]Looks like CompUSA is carrying these now.[/QUOTE]

When I checked the CompUSA site, I could only find the 42" HP, not the 50" which is why I went with J&R.

[tomboyter]

10Dulkar, or anyone else with either the ED or HD version of the HP ... my armoire opening is only 32" tall and cannot be modified. Do you think that it would be possible to cut the supporting arm of the stand by one inch so that my cabinet could accomodate it? By the way, I already own the Panasonic stand for the TH-42PWD8UK, do you think that the mounting holes for the Panny are still there on the HP?

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=tomboyter]10Dulkar, or anyone else with either the ED or HD version of the HP ... my armoire opening is only 32" tall and cannot be modified. Do you think that it would be possible to cut the supporting arm of the stand by one inch so that my cabinet could accomodate it?[/QUOTE]

Re-check the specs on the set...with the stand, the set measures 37" (H). Plus, from what I've read in the manual I downloaded online, both HP and Panasonic recommend minimum of 4" above, and on the sides for ventilation.

[tomboyter]

Thank you for your reply CJ III, I should have specified that I am looking at the 42" version rather than the 50. I do also know that there should be more side and top clearance than I have, but I am installing a cooling fan in the back of the cabinet to take hot air out the back and cool air in from the front.

[CJArciola, III]

tomboyter....didn't think you were looking at the 42" since my sights have been on the 50". sorry about that. Hope you're able to accomplish the fix.

[rod_video]

so 10dulkar,
could you tell if your HP unit buzzes? The equivalent Panasonic units have been reported to buzz, sometimes too loudly.

Also, if you could comment if yousee the "DC restoration" issue (basically, that the level of the blacks vary if the background gets too bright. or something like that :) )

[getgo1]

Hi. I am brand new to this forum. I am pretty much set on the Panasonic
TH-42PX500U. Question re the HP version mentioned here. Does it have PIP? Our Circuit City has some of the 500U's in stock. Price is a few hundred higher than some online places who say it is in stock. Thanks for any help.

[jterry]

[QUOTE=getgo1]Hi. I am brand new to this forum. I am pretty much set on the Panasonic
TH-42PX500U. Question re the HP version mentioned here. Does it have PIP? Our Circuit City has some of the 500U's in stock. Price is a few hundred higher than some online places who say it is in stock. Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]


Looks like it has split screen viewing which I beleive is PIP.

[lipcrkr]

This whole thread is amazing. First, for whatever it means i e-mailed Panasonic and they know nothing of it. But here we have people spending thousands of dollars on a computer brand that happens to look like a Panasonic, a Panasonic that these same people were planning on buying but lose their patience on the supply issue so without any confirmation whatsoever go ahead and spend $3000. How about one of you fine people post a confirmation that these are exactly a Panasonic. Not similar, but exactly and i don't me specs.

[10553311]

[QUOTE=lipcrkr]This whole thread is amazing. First, for whatever it means i e-mailed Panasonic and they know nothing of it. But here we have people spending thousands of dollars on a computer brand that happens to look like a Panasonic, a Panasonic that these same people were planning on buying but lose their patience on the supply issue so without any confirmation whatsoever go ahead and spend $3000. How about one of you fine people post a confirmation that these are exactly a Panasonic. Not similar, but exactly and i don't me specs.[/QUOTE]

Yes I'm a proud owner of the new HP. And after studying the 42" 500u and it's specs, the only thing that differs in this box is no TV Guide. Don't be upset if Panasonic built units for someone else. It's OK - really. You compare the spec sheets such as everyone else has before the purchase. There is no need for anyone to prove to you here that this indeed is the case. Read very carefully through the thread and you'll find hidden proof. Why would Panasonic tell you they made a TV for HP.

You find a store where both units are sitting such as I did and others and report back to us your findings. If' were wrong - so be it - if not, so be it - NO BIG DEAL. What's funny is my beautiful set makes me love Panasonic not HP.

[lipcrkr]

[QUOTE=10553311]Yes I'm a proud owner of the new HP. And after studying the 42" 500u and it's specs, the only thing that differs in this box is no TV Guide. Don't be upset if Panasonic built units for someone else. It's OK - really. You compare the spec sheets such as everyone else has before the purchase. There is no need for anyone to prove to you here that this indeed is the case. Read very carefully through the thread and you'll find hidden proof. Why would Panasonic tell you they made a TV for HP.

You find a store where both units are sitting such as I did and others and report back to us your findings. If' were wrong - so be it - if not, so be it - NO BIG DEAL. What's funny is my beautiful set makes me love Panasonic not HP.[/QUOTE]

I did, i mentioned before that i saw the HP at "Good Guys" (who just found out is closing) and PQ wise didn't interest me. This was before i heard all this talk. I'd rather get a 500U for a lot cheaper thank you. There seems to be plenty of the 500U's in stock here in california.

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=lipcrkr]This whole thread is amazing. First, for whatever it means i e-mailed Panasonic and they know nothing of it. But here we have people spending thousands of dollars on a computer brand that happens to look like a Panasonic, a Panasonic that these same people were planning on buying but lose their patience on the supply issue so without any confirmation whatsoever go ahead and spend $3000. How about one of you fine people post a confirmation that these are exactly a Panasonic. Not similar, but exactly and i don't me specs.[/QUOTE]

No company is going to reveal that they sub-contract another maker's product without that maker's permission. Also, Panasonic is owned by Matsushita Electric Company so it's entirely possible that Panasonic USA knows nothing about this as I'm sure the deal was not brokered with them, but in Japan. If you have doubts don't buy one but I'm telling you that during my 20 years in the business I've seen this time-after-time. For all intents and purposes these are TH-xxPX500Us. Any differences other than cosmetic would be VERY minor. Performance would be the same in all areas.

[GEH]

[QUOTE=lipcrkr] I'd rather get a 500U for a lot cheaper thank you. There seems to be plenty of the 500U's in stock here in california.[/QUOTE]Where the heck are you finding a 500U in California cheaper than what these guys are paying? I'd love to buy local.

Greg

[M_A_C]

Being a HP employee I can get a good deal on these. I would be interested to find out if these are indeed rebadges.

[lipcrkr]

[QUOTE=GEH]Where the heck are you finding a 500U in California cheaper than what these guys are paying? I'd love to buy local.

Greg[/QUOTE]

I'm not allowed to post the dealer but they have it for....well, pick a number between 26 and 28. You can also visit the showroom. By the way, they also sell commercial models.

[lipcrkr]

[QUOTE=RicheyPoor]No company is going to reveal that they sub-contract another maker's product without that maker's permission. Also, Panasonic is owned by Matsushita Electric Company so it's entirely possible that Panasonic USA knows nothing about this as I'm sure the deal was not brokered with them, but in Japan. If you have doubts don't buy one but I'm telling you that during my 20 years in the business I've seen this time-after-time. For all intents and purposes these are TH-xxPX500Us. Any differences other than cosmetic would be VERY minor. Performance would be the same in all areas.[/QUOTE]

OK, that makes pretty good sense, however, why would someone buy the HP model, which is not really tested, over the 500U which can be had for about 6 or 7 hundred less? I could see all this excitement if the HP was essentually the same but 6 or 7 hundred LESS.

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=lipcrkr]I'm not allowed to post the dealer but they have it for....well, pick a number between 26 and 28. You can also visit the showroom. By the way, they also sell commercial models.[/QUOTE]For those people who are not in range of your California mystery store, J&R has it for a hundred more. I thought you might be talking about TVA but they don't have the 42PX500U on their website.

I was skeptical at first, but i downloaded the HP manual and everything seems to be virtually identical to the PX500U except no TV Guide. I'm convinced without even seeing one in person.

Panasonic doesn't release information about their alliances, outsourcing, or OEM partners so of course they're not going to admit OEM-ing the HP plasmas.

[lipcrkr]

[QUOTE=RandyWalters]For those people who are not in range of your California mystery store, J&R has it for a hundred more. I thought you might be talking about TVA but they don't have the 42PX500U on their website.

I was skeptical at first, but i downloaded the HP manual and everything seems to be virtually identical to the PX500U except no TV Guide. I'm convinced without even seeing one in person.

Panasonic doesn't release information about their alliances, outsourcing, or OEM partners so of course they're not going to admit OEM-ing the HP plasmas.[/QUOTE]

The store is the one you have mentioned near LAX. "Good Guys" is having a store closing sale in Marina Del Rey. They have the HP and i'd be curious to see what it went down to. I can't get there till thursday. Interesting it has no TV guide since it has a cablecard option. That really doesn't make sense.

[BarnacleBill]

[QUOTE=lipcrkr]The store is the one you have mentioned near LAX. "Good Guys" is having a store closing sale in Marina Del Rey. They have the HP and i'd be curious to see what it went down to. I can't get there till thursday. Interesting it has no TV guide since it has a cablecard option. That really doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]
All GG stores are closing. Sale as of 10/4. I went in one near San Francisco and I was told that everything in the store was 10% off. I controlled my enthusiasm.

[CJArciola, III]

I understand what you're saying, but then again, why would Panasonic say they are "making" a set for another company? That said, I'm starting to believe you may be correct and these sets are not at all similar, except they may use similar panels.

[rod_video]

I guess my one concern now will be the firmware, if it's of the same quality as Panasonics. For example, through this thread I see that there may have been other 'Panasonic relabeled as HP' sets. I found the following review of a PL4245N (http://www.epinions.com/content_194781679236) with bugs mentioned that I had not seen reported with the Panasonics.

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=lipcrkr]The store is the one you have mentioned near LAX.[/QUOTE]Ah, that little computer store in El Segundo that also sells plasmas? He does have low prices, but does not stock any displays.

"Good Guys" is having a store closing sale in Marina Del Rey. They have the HP and i'd be curious to see what it went down to. I can't get there till thursday. Interesting it has no TV guide since it has a cablecard option. That really doesn't make sense.Good Guys in Redondo Beach is clearing out their stock but at only 10% off MSRP, unless you can get one of their sleazy salesmen to go lower. Before they closed their website the other day, the HP was shown at MSRP.

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=rod_video]I guess my one concern now will be the firmware, if it's of the same quality as Panasonics. For example, through this thread I see that there may have been other 'Panasonic relabeled as HP' sets. I found the following review of a PL4245N (http://www.epinions.com/content_194781679236) with bugs mentioned that I had not seen reported with the Panasonics.[/QUOTE]I don't think that older HP was a Panny, he says the default settings kept reverting back to 50s which doesn't sound like a Panny setting. HP had other people make their plasmas for them previous to these new models, so i'd suspect these new models to be just as good as the current Pannys are.

[E55 KEV]

For the detractors. The first page of this thread had this link showing a HP and Panasonic Plasma connection:

http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/OC_PNP.pdf

For those that doubt a computer company can market a good Video product. Dell's 42" Plasma is high rated especially by Sound & Vision magazine. Their top 3 highly recommended Plasma sets are the Dell W4200, Pioneer's PDP-4350HD and the Panasonic TH-42XVS30.

HP just got a great review for their first entry in the DLP rear pro market by Sound & Vision for the new HP 65" DLP:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=876

The guy that contacted Panasonic for them to confirm the HP is a Panny seems clueless! My Magnum and 300C share parts and technology with Mercedes-Benz. That would be like me calling Mercedes-Benz asking them to confirm that the Dodge and Chrysle models has the same tranny and other parts before I purchased one. WTF! :confused:

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=RandyWalters]I don't think that older HP was a Panny, he says the default settings kept reverting back to 50s which doesn't sound like a Panny setting. HP had other people make their plasmas for them previous to these new models, so i'd suspect these new models to be just as good as the current Pannys are.[/QUOTE]

Randy's point is very important and something I forgot to mention in my earlier posts...
You CANNOT assume that all HP plasmas are made by Panasonic because the two models discussed here are, in fact the older HP's are not. Manufacturers often contract with more than one company, even for different models in the same model year. The source for each model has to be determined on its own.

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=lipcrkr]I could see all this excitement if the HP was essentually the same but 6 or 7 hundred LESS.[/QUOTE]

It is at J&R. The 50" can be had for what you describe here...and a little bit less.

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=RicheyPoor]Randy's point is very important and something I forgot to mention in my earlier posts...You CANNOT assume that all HP plasmas are made by Panasonic because the two models discussed here are, in fact the older HP's are not. Manufacturers often contract with more than one company, even for different models in the same model year. The source for each model has to be determined on its own.[/QUOTE]Yes, i looked at a few HPs last year (i think it was at CompUSA) ands i had the distinct impression that they were rebadged Samsungs, but i'm not sure. I've been familiar with all the Pannys and the ones i looked at were definitely not Pannys. Whatever they were, i was not impressed.

[jterry]

[QUOTE=CJArciola, III]It is at J&R. The 50" can be had for what you describe here...and a little bit more.[/QUOTE]

TVA's price shipped (as quoted in an email) is about $100 less than J&R's shipped price. I haven't seen a 50PX500U in either price range from a respectable dealer.

[tomboyter]

Can someone who owns and HP tell me if it appears possible to trim an inch off of the mounting blade so that the final height of the tv on the stand is 31.5" rather than 32.5" ??? Please give me your thoughts on this.

[10dulkar]

hi

i can check about trimming an inch off but not really sure what you mean by that...do you mean literally cut an inch off?

[10553311]

[QUOTE=tomboyter]Can someone who owns and HP tell me if it appears possible to trim an inch off of the mounting blade so that the final height of the tv on the stand is 31.5" rather than 32.5" ??? Please give me your thoughts on this.[/QUOTE]

You can probably do this however, once mounted - the top inch of the blades are positioned such that when you insert the large screws to rear of TV (total of 4, 1. lower, 1 higher on each side near blade), they latch to these blades somehow, or tightens the screen to the stand.

Is that point where the screw goes in for the upper screw below or at an inch - I can't recall, but maybe it is in the manual. Without the top screws the screen won't fall I'm sure- but with these screws there won't be any wobbling (not to be confused with the DLP 1080p wobulating chip) .

The stand also swivels as well so a tight attachment is probably important.

After mounting the screen on this stand, I now understand why the blades are so thick and the stand so heavy, to support the weight of the beauty.

[10553311]

[QUOTE=10553311]You can probably do this however, once mounted - the top inch of the blades are positioned such that when you insert the large screws to rear of TV (total of 4, 1. lower, 1 higher on each side near blade), they latch to these blades somehow, or tightens the screen to the stand.

Is that point where the screw goes in for the upper screw below or at an inch - I can't recall, but maybe it is in the manual. Without the top screws the screen won't fall I'm sure- but with these screws there won't be any wobbling (not to be confused with the DLP 1080p wobulating chip) .

The stand also swivels as well so a tight attachment is probably important.

After mounting the screen on this stand, I now understand why the blades are so thick and the stand so heavy, to support the weight of the beauty.[/QUOTE]

I think I'm going to answer my own and your question - the answer to this is NO.

Here is why. There is a base (the stand) where you attach both blades - the blades have a triangle base that attaches flush to each side of the stand- picture lifting the TV and lowering the screen onto the blades from above. No matter how much you cut off, it will not affect the base of contact for the blade and the bottom of the panel.

[tomboyter]

Thank you very much, that is indeed sad news.

[haveoneolboy]

Only the Hp plasmas that start with PL are the same glass as 8th generation Panasonic. The PL4245N is the only exception. The PE4200N is the Panny ED. For people having a hard time finding the 500u's in stock this is a viable option. It uses the same glass and also looks allot better externally. The reason these are maybe a couple hundred dollars higher is because of the advanced sound(6 speakers including subwoofer) and backlit universal remote control. The HD model has a digital filter that will brighten or darken the display if you want it to to compensate for lighting conditions. It also has a SD card viewer.

BTW-I set mine up this morning and it is amazing. It has beautiful sound for built in speakers although I will set it up as my center channel on my 5.1 surround system. The 5.1 digital output on the set is a plus also. PQ is flawless and it has no noise. I researched these forever before taking the plunge and I am very satisfied.

[10dulkar]

to add my 2 cents to this discussion....i bought this tv since i am convinced it is a panny...and i did a lot of research before i bought it...but more importantly i bought it because it has an awesome picture quality.

now if i find out that it is not a panny, it really doesnt matter any more coz i have had the tv for a week almost and really love the tv...

[subysouth]

I am more interested in the ED Pannys so riddle me this please, if the PE4200N is the 42" ED panny, why does it list a built-in QAM/ATSC tuner missing on the 42" ED Panny. Thats a big inclusion.

Also whats the diff between the PE4240N and PE4200N agewise? The PE4240N has less features and is more money and has a lower CR but a higher model number. Que?

ss

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=subysouth]I am more interested in the ED Pannys so riddle me this please, if the PE4200N is the 42" ED panny, why does it list a built-in QAM/ATSC tuner missing on the 42" ED Panny. Thats a big inclusion.[/QUOTE]But the TH-42PD50U ED Panny does have an ATSC/QAM tuner - it just doesn't have the CableCARD slot like it's HD brethren.

[tomboyter]

Does the PE4200 have a cablecard slot?

[haveoneolboy]

Only the HD version has the cable card slot.

[haveoneolboy]

Here is an interesting article on plasma screens.



http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatvreviews/whomakeswhat.html


Plasma Monitor/ TV Article

Who Makes What? Plasma TVs
By Phil Conner
Copyright © 2004 PlasmaTVBuyingGuide.com
All Rights Reserved.
7.26.04

There are only a handful of major plasma display element (i.e. plasma glass) manufacturers in the world. There is always talk and hype about who makes what in the Plasma TV/Monitor industry (as well as LCD and Projectors). Many manufacturers buy their plasma display elements from an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM). Just to set the story straighter on a few products please see the following notes on which manufacturers make what parts: Just to set the story straighter, here is a run-down of which manufacturer makes which parts.

THE MAJOR MANUFACTURERS

NEC - NEC is an OEM manufacturer, so NEC brand monitors are made completely by NEC. NEC has its own plasma screen glass factory and uses its own processing boards and chips. NEC's glass and plasma manufacturing facilities were recently acquired by Pioneer - however it's marketing arm remains intact.

Panasonic - Panasonic owns its glass manufacturing facilities (Osaka, Japan) as well as engineering its own internal components.

Fujitsu - Fujitsu owns 50% of a plasma screen glass factory with Hitachi in Kyushu, Japan. Though Fujitsu buys some of the internal components (chipsets), it produces most of the internal component boards for its 42" plasma TVs.

Pioneer - Pioneer owns its own plasma screen glass plant and produces most all boards and chips internalized in the plasma monitor. They make all of their own equipment, save for the 4030 and 5030 HD multimedia box, which is made by Sharp.

Sony - Sony makes their own boards and chips but uses a variety of manufacturers for its plasma glass.

Hitachi - Hitachi owns 50% of plasma screen factory with Fujitsu. Hitachi makes its own internal components.

Samsung - Large Korean manufacturer makes its own glass and internal components

LG - Another large Korean manufacturer making its own glass and internal components.





Pictured Above: Internal Digital Video Processor Board for the new line of Fujitsu Plasma Monitors.

THE SECONDARY MANUFACTURERS

Toshiba - Toshiba rebadges Panasonic's screens and internal processing components.

Sharp - While Sharp makes some changes to internal components, their plasma TVs are essential repackaged Pioneers.

Runco - Runco's 50" plasma display comes from Pioneer and its 42" plasma display comes from NEC, though Runco may make some modifications to both displays.

Marantz - NEC is the OEM for Marantz's 42", 50", and 61" plasma monitors.

ViewSonic - The OEM of ViewSonic's 50" plasma screen is Pioneer. The OEM for its 42" plasma screen is more than likely a Hitachi.

Gateway - Gateway's 42" and 50" plasma TVs (both the regular and Ultra Bright models) are re-badged Sampo displays. For the 46" they use BenQ as the OEM.

Philips - Philips uses Fujitsu/ Hitachi glass screen and most internal components as well. However, Philips makes its own bezel with built in speakers.

[1920x1080]

[QUOTE=subysouth]...whats the diff between the PE4240N and PE4200N agewise?...[/QUOTE]
The 4240 was introduced last year and I believe may have been OEM'd by Tatung or Samsung (can anyone with one confirm the country of manufacture?). The 4200 is new and I believe OEM'd by Panasonic. Introducing a newer model with a lower number has got to be the result of a massive brain fart somewhere.

[subysouth]

[QUOTE=RandyWalters]But the TH-42PD50U ED Panny does have an ATSC/QAM tuner - it just doesn't have the CableCARD slot like it's HD brethren.[/QUOTE]

Ahhhhh. Its that strange? So the QAM tuner is good to pick-up what?

ss

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=subysouth]Ahhhhh. Its that strange? So the QAM tuner is good to pick-up what?[/QUOTE]Not much :D

Before i tried a CableCARD, all i got was the analog channels (2-99) and the few local HD channels TWC gives me for free (CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, KCET, TNTHD). Once i got the CableCARD (and once they got it working - briefly) i was able to get all my HD package channels (HDNet, DISC-HD, INHD1&2, etc). The 42PD50 would be like me omitting the CableCARD.

I might have used the QAM term wrong, i'm starting to think that a QAM tuner has a CableCARD slot and that the 42PD50 is merely "cable-ready" kinda like my old VCR :)

[lipcrkr]

[QUOTE=haveoneolboy]Only the HD version has the cable card slot.[/QUOTE]

OK, question. Since the TV has no TV guide what are the options, beside TitanTV, if you use the Cable Card for on screen program guide?

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=lipcrkr]OK, question. Since the TV has no TV guide what are the options, beside TitanTV, if you use the Cable Card for on screen program guide?[/QUOTE]

From what I can gather on posts from others who have tv's without the tv guide feature and use a cablecard...there are no other options to obtain programming material, except by the way you suggest. From different posts on the Forum, the cablecard doesn't seem to work that well for certain sets on certain cable systems anyway.

[wjr]

BTW-I set mine up this morning and it is amazing. It has beautiful sound for built in speakers although I will set it up as my center channel on my 5.1 surround system. The 5.1 digital output on the set is a plus also. .[/QUOTE]


Does anyone use the 50" Panny's (or HP's) speakers as a center channel? How are they?

[jspirate]

[QUOTE=wjr]The 5.1 digital output on the set is a plus also. .[/QUOTE]


Does anyone use the 50" Panny's (or HP's) speakers as a center channel? How are they?[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the info :o

Questions about the 42" HP:
1. Can the set accept digital input (sound)? I assume it can because then there really wouldn't be digital output if it couldn't, but I am curious and un-educated in this area.
2. I am also very interested in the on-board speakers as a center channel. If anyone has done this can they please provide some feedback on its performance and limitations?


Thanks!

[dcgilbert]

has anyone taken a look at the service menu of the PL4200N?

[10dulkar]

nope - dont know how to do it...also not very sure what purpose it will serve...dont want to mess around with things i dont understand....

[cometk]

I'll be setting up my HP 50" as center channel. However, I'm still a few days away from this as I'm waiting for all my gear to arrive. I'll report back when I get it set up.

[jspirate]

[QUOTE=cometk]I'll be setting up my HP 50" as center channel. However, I'm still a few days away from this as I'm waiting for all my gear to arrive. I'll report back when I get it set up.[/QUOTE]

That would be great Cometk. Thanks.

[10dulkar]

i know i asked this earlier - but as people are setting up the plasma - what settings are you guys using? any of you used the caliberation discs yet?

for the first 100 hrs - i have pretty much everything set up for '0' at the moment...

[cucoo]

Does anyone know if the PE4200N (EDTV) has variable audio out? I heard that the 42PD50 does not. I like to use variable audio out with ZVOX speaker. Thanks.

[10dulkar]

what is variable output?

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=cucoo]Does anyone know if the PE4200N (EDTV) has variable audio out? I heard that the 42PD50 does not. I like to use variable audio out with ZVOX speaker. Thanks.[/QUOTE]None of the 8th gen Pannys have Variable Out so it's not likely that the new HPs will have it. Look at the owners manual and see if it shows a Variable setting in the audio settings menu. I suspect it won't be there since it's not on the Panny.

10dulkar - Variable Out is where the R/L Audio Out jacks are controlled by the TV's volume control so the output is variable. Panasonic took this away with the current models (but had it in previous years). Now this output is "Fixed" (constant audio level that never changes and isn't controlled by the TV's volume control. I was really pissed when i discovered this.

[haveoneolboy]

Does anyone know if the PE4200N (EDTV) has variable audio out? I heard that the 42PD50 does not. I like to use variable audio out with ZVOX speaker.

Mine has an audio output that reads like this:
(to amp)
PROG OUT

It doesn't have variable out.

[jspirate]

Bagh, I stopped at CompUSA today and they didn’t have any HP plasmas. A sales-guy came up and asked me if I needed any help, so I asked him about the HP panels. He looked at me like I was crazy :rolleyes:

[haveoneolboy]

Bagh, I stopped at CompUSA today and they didn’t have any HP plasmas. A sales-guy came up and asked me if I needed any help, so I asked him about the HP panels. He looked at me like I was crazy

On the CompUSA website it says "Coming Soon" for the HP plasmas. These models just came out this month. They should have some in stock in a week or so.

[HDClueless]

what is variable output?

This means that the audio output from the TV is also controlled by volumn control of the tv (as opposed to fixed output). This is really handy if you want to route your audio output from the tv directly to some speakers (without going throught a receiver). you can then control the volumn of the speaker directly from the tv.
I really miss this feature on my PD50U (for crying out loud, my > 10-year old Sony CRT has it). Sometimes I wonder about those engineers at Musushita.

*Edit* Sorry, apparently Randy already answered this (and better too).

[subysouth]

[QUOTE=RandyWalters]Not much :D

Before i tried a CableCARD, all i got was the analog channels (2-99) and the few local HD channels TWC gives me for free (CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, KCET, TNTHD). Once i got the CableCARD (and once they got it working - briefly) i was able to get all my HD package channels (HDNet, DISC-HD, INHD1&2, etc). The 42PD50 would be like me omitting the CableCARD.

I might have used the QAM term wrong, i'm starting to think that a QAM tuner has a CableCARD slot and that the 42PD50 is merely "cable-ready" kinda like my old VCR :)[/QUOTE]

The PD50 could have a QAM tuner but no CableCard, but its kinda dumb to do that. The QAM tuner is a tuner that reads the signal type that cable cos are using to deliver digital cable. Unfortunately in my case almost all digital cable is an additional charge and is therefore gated by their digital cable boxes(the gating part would be handled by the CableCard.) So if I had a QAM tuner but no gating device to keep my same additional cost digital channels (Digital SD and HBO pack) I would still need a cable co box.

Your experiences seem right in line with this.

ss

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=HDClueless]This means that the audio output from the TV is also controlled by volumn control of the tv (as opposed to fixed output). This is really handy if you want to route your audio output from the tv directly to some speakers (without going throught a receiver). you can then control the volumn of the speaker directly from the tv.[/QUOTE]Actuallly you can't connect these outputs directly to speakers, they have to go to an A/V reciever first then the receiver outputs to the speakers in the normal fashion. The outputs are regular RCA jacks (red and white).

[sdj]

Be careful with HP. I own the PL4245N and the support has been terrible. I posted some of my experiences here.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=463920&highlight=pl4245n

[rod_video]

HP new owners,

since your sets are hw-wise Panasonics, would you mind reading the first page of http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=473893 and comment if you're seeing the same problems described in that link, please?

[tomboyter]

Ditto rod_video ... I have been wondering the same thing ... changing black levels issue?

[10dulkar]

i have actually been checking for this because my 42" vizio had a similar problem and so far i have not noticed anything. i will try again - am planning to watch sin city tonight and am sure that, that movie will give me enough opportunity to test for changing black levels....

[HDClueless]

Actuallly you can't connect these outputs directly to speakers,

Actually, I have one of those strange speakers that do take rca plugs.
(No, the speaker is not that good; my old nice 5.1 system is still hooked up to my 35'
CRT - I am NOT going into the crawl space/over the attic to connect up the 5.1 again).

Speaking about the QAM on my PD50, it actually works perfectly for me.
My wife has the cable box connected to "her" 35' CRT. She got the cable box
to watch all these weird channels. In another room, I just hook up my PD50
to the cable line and got all the digital channels (ok, there aren't that many and
most of them tend to show animals co*ulating or some weird biker guys trying
to convert their vehicles into a planes/boats).

[subysouth]

[QUOTE=HDClueless]

Speaking about the QAM on my PD50, it actually works perfectly for me.
My wife has the cable box connected to "her" 35' CRT. She got the cable box
to watch all these weird channels. In another room, I just hook up my PD50
to the cable line and got all the digital channels (ok, there aren't that many and
most of them tend to show animals co*ulating or some weird biker guys trying
to convert their vehicles into a planes/boats).[/QUOTE]

That would make sense if you are not charged an additional fee for your digital channels or your cable co gates those digital channels outside your residence. Do you pay extra for a digital channel pack?

My SD digital channels are 300-328 IIRC and costs me an extra $5/month.

ss

[tomboyter]

10dulkar ...

I am becoming fixated on this display and am just sick that it appears to be 1/2" too tall for my cabinet. Would you mind measuring the height of your unit, including the stand of course, to make sure that the 32.5" that I have read is in fact how tall it is? I would be most appreciative. I asked earlier if you thought that I could cut an inch or so off of the mounting blade, and that appears to be a no-go.

By the way, have you been able to compare the speaker system of the HP with the Panasonic PX500? Are they the same?

[apru]

Thus far the TVGuide feature is one noted difference between these two sets (px500u and pl5000). My guess is that has more to do with licensing fees than technology. But its of little import. However, when I looked at the HP datasheet it claims 3.62 billion colors and Panny claims 8.5 billion. How to reconcile, is it a real difference or a marketing difference, what think?

a

[M_A_C]

[QUOTE=apru]Thus far the TVGuide feature is one noted difference between these two sets (px500u and pl5000). My guess is that has more to do with licensing fees than technology. But its of little import. However, when I looked at the HP datasheet it claims 3.62 billion colors and Panny claims 8.5 billion. How to reconcile, is it a real difference or a marketing difference, what think?

a[/QUOTE]

From the HPshopping website:

See detail like never before with the brighter, clearer picture supplied by the high-performance HDTV plasma panel, which can deliver an astounding contrast ratio of up to 3000:1 and reproduce up to 8.58 billion colors and 2,048 shades of gradation3.

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=apru]Thus far the TVGuide feature is one noted difference between these two sets (px500u and pl5000). My guess is that has more to do with licensing fees than technology. But its of little import. However, when I looked at the HP datasheet it claims 3.62 billion colors and Panny claims 8.5 billion. How to reconcile, is it a real difference or a marketing difference, what think?

a[/QUOTE]
I have both the Panasonic spec sheet (from crutchfield.com) and HP spec sheet (from hp.com) in front of me as I write this: Hp states 8.58 billion colors and Pansonic states 8.6 billion colors. Both state 2048 shades of gradation. Check them both for yourself.

[BarnacleBill]

[QUOTE=RandyWalters]Actuallly you can't connect these outputs directly to speakers, they have to go to an A/V reciever first then the receiver outputs to the speakers in the normal fashion. The outputs are regular RCA jacks (red and white).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HDClueless]Actually, I have one of those strange speakers that do take rca plugs.[/QUOTE]
You misunderstand Randy. You can't connect normal speakers to audio outputs because there is no amp to power the speakers. Now if you are talking about powered speakers, then it will work.

[traind]

I asked HP via e-mail about the panel. At first I was sent to the wrong people but I eventually got in touch with someone in their TV group that said this about their new plasmas: "Yes, some of our internal parts do come from Panasonic in our newer
TV's. I hope this helps in your decision."

[krowdy]

I spoke to a rep at TV authority who told me (with the excpetion of the speakers and the tv guide) the 50" 500u and the 50" pl5000n are the same plasma, I can't speak to the 42" version, but my guess is, it is the same too.

[cucoo]

[QUOTE=BarnacleBill]You misunderstand Randy. You can't connect normal speakers to audio outputs because there is no amp to power the speakers. Now if you are talking about powered speakers, then it will work.[/QUOTE]

That's right. The ZVOX speaker that I want to use is a vitual surround sound powered speaker with subwoofer.

I like to keep the setup simple for other member in the family to use.

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=krowdy]I spoke to a rep at TV authority who told me (with the excpetion of the speakers and the tv guide) the 50" 500u and the 50" pl5000n are the same plasma, I can't speak to the 42" version, but my guess is, it is the same too.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what he meant by "with the exception of the speakers?" Specs seem to indicate the same type of system in both...tweeters with two small woofers...has he heard both?

[HDClueless]

That would make sense if you are not charged an additional fee for your digital channels or your cable co gates those digital channels outside your residence. Do you pay extra for a digital channel pack?

Yes, the nice cable operator folk here charges $5 extra a month for the digital tv.
I suspect that since my wife is getting these weird premium channels, she is already paying that $5 extra (unfortunately, the bill is not broken down like that - it just showed the bundle cost for the premium channel).
All I know is that I plug the raw cable into my PD50 and would get PBS-HD, INHD1, INHD2, Discovery-HD, and perhaps some other stuffs (there are just too many channels for me to go through - I know I am trouble when I see channel number such as 108-32).
On the other hand, perhaps I am getting these digital channels for free.

I think it is ridiculous that between my family cell phone bill and the cable bill, I am approaching the amount I paid for my home morgage when I was in college. :eek:

[apru]

[QUOTE=M_A_C]From the HPshopping website:[/QUOTE]


Yes, I've seen this too but from somewhere else in HP land:

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2005/hee/ds_plasma.pdf

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=apru]Yes, I've seen this too but from somewhere else in HP land:

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2005/hee/ds_plasma.pdf[/QUOTE]

Can't explain the discrepancy...contact hp for some furthr explanation.

[rod_video]

[QUOTE=rod_video]HP new owners,

since your sets are hw-wise Panasonics, would you mind reading the first page of http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=473893 and comment if you're seeing the same problems described in that link, please?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]i have actually been checking for this because my 42" vizio had a similar problem and so far i have not noticed anything. i will try again - am planning to watch sin city tonight and am sure that, that movie will give me enough opportunity to test for changing black levels....[/QUOTE]

Hi 10dulkar, just wondering if you noticed anything with the black levels in your 42" HP..

[10dulkar]

have not noticed anything yet - is there any dvd and a particular scene that you would like me to check? so far, i have noticed anything - what about other people who have got the tv?

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=CJArciola, III]Can't explain the discrepancy...contact hp for some furthr explanation.[/QUOTE]

There's no discrepancy, the difference is in how it's advertised. The following comes from Panasonic's 8th generation commercial PDP (HD8UK) spec sheet. It lists both numbers and explains the difference...

Displayable Colors (billions) 3.62 (full time), 8.58 (maximum)

[rod_video]

10dulkar,
that's good news that you haven't noticed the problem, thanks for checking. In the link I put there, some people mentioned that watching Lord of the Rings or Empire Strikes Back will show the problem at some particular moments.
btw, yours is a 42" right?

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=RicheyPoor]There's no discrepancy, the difference is in how it's advertised. The following comes from Panasonic's 8th generation commercial PDP (HD8UK) spec sheet. It lists both numbers and explains the difference...

Displayable Colors (billions) 3.62 (full time), 8.58 (maximum) [/QUOTE]

Thanks for clearing that up...I couldn't for the life of me find that spec sheet. Didn't look at that model.

[subysouth]

[QUOTE=HDClueless]Yes, the nice cable operator folk here charges $5 extra a month for the digital tv.
I suspect that since my wife is getting these weird premium channels, she is already paying that $5 extra (unfortunately, the bill is not broken down like that - it just showed the bundle cost for the premium channel).
All I know is that I plug the raw cable into my PD50 and would get PBS-HD, INHD1, INHD2, Discovery-HD, and perhaps some other stuffs (there are just too many channels for me to go through - I know I am trouble when I see channel number such as 108-32).
On the other hand, perhaps I am getting these digital channels for free.

I think it is ridiculous that between my family cell phone bill and the cable bill, I am approaching the amount I paid for my home morgage when I was in college. :eek:[/QUOTE]

HD it would make for an interesting bit of info. As I understand it the cable cos HAVE to carry the locally available HD channels via QAM compression and allow you free access to them. Now the SD digital channels(in my case things like CourtTV, Speed, NGeo, G4Tech etc.) I dont know if I am being charged for the additional channels or the rent for the box to see them. Maybe I could get them for free with a QAM tnuer display? I dont even know what I am paying for entirely, but yes my cable bill is off the reservation too.

ss

[tomboyter]

If anyone who has the 42" set could measure the height on the stand I would really appreciate the information...the specs say 32.5" and I am hoping that it's not that tall. Thanks...Beuhler?

[amheck]

So is this set (http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/popups/seeBigger.jsp?image_path=/shopping/images/products/pw778aa_400.jpg&prod_name=HP+Pavilion+PL5000N+50%22+High+Definition+Plasma+TV) the same as the 50" Panny 500u?

Aaron

[krowdy]

[QUOTE=amheck][
the same as the 50" Panny 500u?

Aaron[/QUOTE]


Yes, they are the same (with minor differences: like no tv guide, differnent bezel, and supposedly the speakers are little better).

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=amheck]So is this set (http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/popups/seeBigger.jsp?image_path=/shopping/images/products/pw778aa_400.jpg&prod_name=HP+Pavilion+PL5000N+50%22+High+Definition+Plasma+TV) the same as the 50" Panny 500u?

Aaron[/QUOTE]

You're joking, right?

[amheck]

[QUOTE=CJArciola, III]You're joking, right?[/QUOTE]

No, why? Did I say something funny?

[CJArciola, III]

No one has yet to provide a definitive answer, but enough from various persons and posts on this thread certainly seems to suggest that the HP set (PL42000N, PL5000N) are re-branded Panasonics. Not sure if anyone will ever be able to give you solid proof as to what percentage is Panasonic and how they know this for a fact.

[sg1717]

Good enough for me...I the only thing I really did not like about the panasonic's was the color....but with HP I now have the best of both worlds. TV Guide option doesn't do much for me anyways.

[10dulkar]

[QUOTE=tomboyter]If anyone who has the 42" set could measure the height on the stand I would really appreciate the information...the specs say 32.5" and I am hoping that it's not that tall. Thanks...Beuhler?[/QUOTE]

i am so sorry i have not been able to do this for you...was out the whole weekend...will try to find a measuring tape and get you the dimensions tonight...

[10dulkar]

so havent heard much from other people - have you set up your tv? how do you like it?

[10553311]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]i am so sorry i have not been able to do this for you...was out the whole weekend...will try to find a measuring tape and get you the dimensions tonight...[/QUOTE]

It is 32.5" with stand. Measured for someone last week.

[tomboyter]

Thanks for checking and confirming the height for me...unless there is a way to lower it by one inch, I am just going to have to settle for something else. Thank you again 10553311 !

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=tomboyter]Thanks for checking and confirming the height for me...unless there is a way to lower it by one inch, I am just going to have to settle for something else. Thank you again 10553311 ![/QUOTE]

That's too bad...from what others have said who have the set it seems like a great find. I hope to find out in a few days. Maybe you can look into modifying the shelf above or below the set somehow...wish you luck.

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=tomboyter]Thanks for checking and confirming the height for me...unless there is a way to lower it by one inch, I am just going to have to settle for something else. Thank you again 10553311 ![/QUOTE]Is it possible to mount it in your space without using the supplied table-top stand? That thing adds about 2.5" or so.

[1920x1080]

[QUOTE=tomboyter]Thanks for checking and confirming the height for me...unless there is a way to lower it by one inch, I am just going to have to settle for something else. Thank you again 10553311 ![/QUOTE]
Is there any way you could use an articulating wall mount in the space you have to work with? It sounds like the surface to the rear won't need to support the whole weight of the panel, but just enough to keep it from tipping over.

[Yoda1]

Anyone have a picture of the remote for this thing?

I'm thinking about taking the plunge and would love to know how it is. Thanks.

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=Yoda1]Anyone have a picture of the remote for this thing?

I'm thinking about taking the plunge and would love to know how it is. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you download the owners manual it shows a diagram of the remote. It looks nothing like the Panny remote but seems to have the same buttons (all in different locations though).

[Kevin C Brown]

Where are the best places to get a good deal on one of the HP's? I have a buddy looking at the 42", and he says he can't find it for that much less than the PX500u.

[frank bavaro]

my hp50"pl5000n was set up last night as of 7 pm - 1st impressions-------------
sources are - sony 777es dvd/cd player and and h-10 hdtv box from d*
pq is beautiful in hd and dvd , did not see any black levels changing , yet
did experience 2 or 3x, a video dropout with the h-10 - but that is not a hp 5kn issue-
piano black bezel/frame is very nice , but larger than expected - in fact , significantly larger than the 42" panny edtv in my bedroom
i do NOT like the remote , that may change as i get used to it - but then again, shortly, i'll be getting a universal to operate the denon reciever , sat box, tv and sony dvd player
tv , on wall mount , comes out 6 " from the wall , more than i expected - that may be great for almost everyone , for us , gonna take some getting used to, this unit is replacing a mitsuitbishi 40" crt that was sunk into the wall flush
tv is plugged into denon "switched" plug and did not come on when denon was activated - the mitsu did - red light goes on for a second on the hp then drops out - tv has to be put on the remote or button pushed
to me, in this room (my family room) from a certain distance (about 10') "vivid" seems better than "std" - in my bedroom with an panny edtv we use "std" and it's fine
anyone experience the same, have any thoughts or suggestions or questions ?

[rod_video]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]my hp50"pl5000n was set up last night as of 7 pm - 1st impressions-------------
sources are - sony 777es dvd/cd player and and h-10 hdtv box from d*
pq is beautiful in hd and dvd , did not see any black levels changing , yet
did experience 2 or 3x, a video dropout with the h-10 - but that is not a hp 5kn issue-
piano black bezel/frame is very nice , but larger than expected - in fact , significantly larger than the 42" panny edtv in my bedroom
i do NOT like the remote , that may change as i get used to it - but then again, shortly, i'll be getting a universal to operate the denon reciever , sat box, tv and sony dvd player
tv , on wall mount , comes out 6 " from the wall , more than i expected - that may be great for almost everyone , for us , gonna take some getting used to, this unit is replacing a mitsuitbishi 40" crt that was sunk into the wall flush
tv is plugged into denon "switched" plug and did not come on when denon was activated - the mitsu did - red light goes on for a second on the hp then drops out - tv has to be put on the remote or button pushed
to me, in this room (my family room) from a certain distance (about 10') "vivid" seems better than "std" - in my bedroom with an panny edtv we use "std" and it's fine
anyone experience the same, have any thoughts or suggestions or questions ?[/QUOTE]


frank, good summary, thanks!

what about the buzzing?
country of assembly?
any pixel problems?
anything besides the aesthetics that you don't like about the remote?

....

does the set feel robust, cheapy, ... ?

[jflegert]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]...
tv is plugged into denon "switched" plug and did not come on when denon was activated...[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that you are plugging the plasma into a Denon A/V receiver? If so, I thought that was a no-no.


Regards,
John Flegert

[frank bavaro]

yes i did - into the denon switched plug in back - why is it a no-n o ?

[frank bavaro]

rod - no buzzing , again - yet -
these observations are after about 3 hrs of watching and fiddling
no pixel trouble,
does not have cheap feel to it at all - it really does look great -
did not look to find country of origin
remote - supposed to be backlit - imo only barely - buttons are either flat or recessed - none are raised - to find easily - black on black or dark blue buttons , no real contrasting lettering for functions - but that is minor stuff - once tv is on don't that remote much
everything else is either sat box remote or denon remote

[frank bavaro]

john - should i be concerned about plugging the tv into the denon ? ie - damaging something ?

[hoodlum]

Is the service manual accessible through the same method with the HP and Panny?

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]john - should i be concerned about plugging the tv into the denon ? ie - damaging something ?[/QUOTE]
Isn't the wattage of the plasma rated too high for the outlet on the Denon receiver?

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]...does not have cheap feel to it at all - it really does look great....
[/QUOTE]
Are you speaking about the plasma set or the remote??
I'm also interested as to why the set sits about 6" from the wall....Is the HP deeper at the bottom than the top which would account for this distance....or is it due to the wall mount?

[frank bavaro]

6" deep b cuz of the sanus wall mount
hoodlum - yes
so , i may burn out / blow up the denon by using this method ? or poss fire ?

[frank bavaro]

the plasma set really does look great - remote a diff story

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]6" deep b cuz of the sanus wall mount
hoodlum - yes
so , i may burn out / blow up the denon by using this method ? or poss fire ?[/QUOTE]

blowup-no....overheat & fire-maybe. From what I know you need to be careful about what you plug into the outlets on receivers. Get the manual out and read the wattage. I know the HP doesn't put out 535 watts constantly, but I'm pretty sure the outlet on your Denon can only handle wattage a lot less than that. Check and be sure. If I'm wrong...someone else chime in here with the accurate info.

One more thing....explain the second sentence in the quote above....not sure what you meant after you wrote "sanus wall mount..."

[jflegert]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]john - should i be concerned about plugging the tv into the denon ? ie - damaging something ?[/QUOTE]
I'm no expert on this, just trying to be helpful. I would suggest reading your manual.

As CJArciola, III stated, I don't think the outlets on the backs of receivers are meant for a "heavy" load.

Here is a quote from the manual of the Denon receiver I have: "...Only use the AC OUTLETS for audio equipment. Never use them for hair driers, TVs or other electrical appliances. ..."


Good luck,
John Flegert

[frank bavaro]

the tv + wall mount brings the front of the unit 6" from the wall - so i guess tv -4" , wall mt -2" ?

[haveoneolboy]

I can see a "Made in Japan" sticker looking inside the back of my HP. The wall mount you have must be the reason it is set so far off the wall. I am using the included stand. So far I love mine. It is really a beautiful set. Gret PQ, black level, quiet. I don't have any problems with the universal remote. I guess it is just what you are used to.

[CJArciola, III]

haveoneolboy...what size plasma did you get?

[10dulkar]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]the tv + wall mount brings the front of the unit 6" from the wall - so i guess tv -4" , wall mt -2" ?[/QUOTE]

i need to buy a wall mount too...can you tell me which one you bought? i know u mentioned sanus but do you know the model name?

also completely agree abt the remote - i hate it...but since i have a universal, did not really worry too much abt it...

[frank bavaro]

sorry no, don't know which one
it is a sanus flat wall mount - avail on the j and r website - there were 2 to choose from - a black one and a silver one - i chose black

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]sorry no, don't know which one
it is a sanus flat wall mount - avail on the j and r website - there were 2 to choose from - a black one and a silver one - i chose black[/QUOTE]

Don't want to butt in here...but you and I got the same wall mount from J & R....

10dulkar...It is the Sanus Flat Panel Wall Mount- Model VMPL/B (B for Black). It allows you to tilt the set up to 15 deg. if you want.

[10dulkar]

hmmm - now i am confused....

you are talking about Sanus VMPL and frank sent me a link for VMPL50S....they are similar but not the exact same....

anyway...i have ordered the VMPL50S - lets hope that works....

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]hmmm - now i am confused....

you are talking about Sanus VMPL and frank sent me a link for VMPL50S....they are similar but not the exact same....

anyway...i have ordered the VMPL50S - lets hope that works....[/QUOTE]

They are both very similar. Not sure what Frank got, but I checked with J&R and I am being sent the VMPL/B which is black in color and supports more weight. The one you ordered brings the unit closer to the wall...might have been better off if I had ordered that one. Anyway...they both allow for tilt and I'm sure will work.

[Cynder]

woohoo! I'm finally getting a plasma hopefully this week. hp pl5000n. The place I ordered 50px50u from said since I've been waiting since 9-21 they'd make me a deal for hp's 50" What JR's shipping for plus free 5 year in home warranty doesn't sound so bad. It looks allot better to my eyes than pannys too. I was going to put a dimmer in fan light kit but with ambilight maybe I won't need to and forgo the hassle of not being able to use light switch anymore, just remote dimmer. I think I should have read up on fan light dimmers.
anyway-waaHOO! err southern yeeHAW! :cool:

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=Cynder]woohoo! I'm finally getting a plasma hopefully this week. hp pl5000n. anyway-waaHOO! err southern yeeHAW! :cool:[/QUOTE]

Congrats! From my count that makes about 5 us going with the HP's...we're either making a good move or we're all crazy! Where did you manage to find one of the 50" sets?

[Cynder]

6ave.com
He said I actually had a 7 day return window which isn't stated in their "help desk" polices. Their polices contradict one another. They don't make for an easy big purchase but I've received my email receipt. The price is right but no warranty extension time given on receipt. He knocked $750 off the price of tv on receipt which is what he sells warranty for I guess. I'll keep you posted.
I must get back to stripping furniture which is very time consuming! bah

Oh and Thanks to AVS for helping everyone make their purchases! I haven't been anywhere else. You guys are first rate keeping it civil! No Hate

[M_A_C]

I should be getting my 5000 tomorrow. I'm pretty excited aswell! I'm upgrading from a infocus 4805 projector, so it should be interesting.

[Cynder]

I thought this was a little amusing where hp's comparing to 50px500
http://h10058.www1.hp.com/digital/entertainment/us/en/theater/selecting/plasma_comparison.html
If you read the manual here
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?dlc=en&lc=en&product=1099030&cc=us&
it says in specs page 81 the same for pannys comparison wattage for speakers, not 46 watts.

[krowdy]

The wait for the 500u was killing me, so I pulled the trigger and ordered the HP PL5000N (bought it through TV Authority). I should get it by tomorrow or early next week. When I get it all set up, I will post a full report.

[frank bavaro]

black levels changing alert !! - hp pl5000n
i saw it , fairly signifantly,last night during "monster-in-law" using a sony 777es (i don't think it is a source problem)
this also happens on my 42 "panny edtv in the bdrm using a denon 2910 there
it happens in dark and dimly lit scenes - it looks almost like there is a fireplace going in the room in the scene - lots of shimmering and changing blacks - pretty distracting
having said that, the PQ otherwise is just beautiful - anything else is fantastic - ie diff scenes , tv in std def or hd def just georgeous

[CJArciola, III]

Frank,
What picture setting do you have it on? (stand or cinema) Well I guess this set IS a replica of the panasonic set....oh boy.

[frank bavaro]

i had the set on "vivid" but i suspect it would happen on any of the 3 settings
again , it happens on my bdrm set , and that is on " std"

[10dulkar]

hey guys - watched sd content last night and must say - could not believe it is sd...it was so clear...i am still amazed bacause my previous experience was with vizio and the difference is just night and day....

...well if i do have the black shift problem (hopefully i dont), but even if i do, i guess its ok coz there are just so many positives here....

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]i had the set on "vivid"... [/QUOTE]
From what I've read on burn-in, shouldn't you keep the set off "vivid setting" for at least the first 100 hrs. of use since the phosphors are more susceptible to burn-in? Not sure, though...you have more experience w/plasmas than I do.

[ryan9110]

[QUOTE=krowdy]The wait for the 500u was killing me, so I pulled the trigger and ordered the HP PL5000N (bought it through TV Authority). I should get it by tomorrow or early next week. When I get it all set up, I will post a full report.[/QUOTE]

Did TVA have the HP in stock? I couldn't find it listed on their website. I thing I'm going to pull the trigger on one as well, but no seems to carry them or have them in stock.

[haveoneolboy]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]black levels changing alert !! - hp pl5000n
i saw it , fairly signifantly,last night during "monster-in-law" using a sony 777es (i don't think it is a source problem)
this also happens on my 42 "panny edtv in the bdrm using a denon 2910 there
it happens in dark and dimly lit scenes - it looks almost like there is a fireplace going in the room in the scene - lots of shimmering and changing blacks - pretty distracting
having said that, the PQ otherwise is just beautiful - anything else is fantastic - ie diff scenes , tv in std def or hd def just georgeous[/QUOTE]

I'll have to check that one out. I tested mine with the dark scene on Finding Nemo and didn't notice this at all, it was a flawless picture.

[Cynder]

Maybe I haven't read enough or too much but I thought black shift was related to power save mode being set to on plus maybe too high a settings, contrast,brightness etc.. NO? Have you tried to stop this with settings on your edtv frank?

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=Cynder]I thought this was a little amusing where hp's comparing to 50px500
http://h10058.www1.hp.com/digital/entertainment/us/en/theater/selecting/plasma_comparison.html
If you read the manual here
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?dlc=en&lc=en&product=1099030&cc=us&
it says in specs page 81 the same for pannys comparison wattage for speakers, not 46 watts.[/QUOTE]

I've also noticed the discrepancies in this comparison where it lists the HP PL5000n as having 46 watts and four speakers. However, the HP manual (and other HP sources) rate it at 26 watts and five speakers, just like the 500U. This is probably where the rumor of the HP having different speakers than the Panasonics comes from. The comparison also doesn't mention the split screen P in P feature on the HP, but the manual shows that it has that also. Lastly the comparison lists the HP (and Panny) as having 8.58 billion colors, where other HP sources use the more conservative 3.62 billion. This has also caused some confusion since Panasonic tends to use the 8.58 figure for their consumer sets. Both numbers are correct but only the specs for the commercial sets seem to explain the difference (3.62 billion full time, 8.58 billion maximum [in low brightness scenes]).

I'll stick 100% to my original statement: With the exception of the TV Guide, case and accessories the PL5000n is a Panasonic 50PX500U and the PL4200n is a 42PX500U. They are made by Panasonic for HP, and as such will have all the Panny's good points and (unfortunately) their bad points as well. If I were in the market for a 500U and the price was right on one of these I wouldn't hesitate for a minute.

[LukFilm]

[QUOTE=Cynder]woohoo! I'm finally getting a plasma hopefully this week. hp pl5000n. The place I ordered 50px50u from said since I've been waiting since 9-21 they'd make me a deal for hp's 50" What JR's shipping for plus free 5 year in home warranty doesn't sound so bad. It looks allot better to my eyes than pannys too. I was going to put a dimmer in fan light kit but with ambilight maybe I won't need to and forgo the hassle of not being able to use light switch anymore, just remote dimmer. I think I should have read up on fan light dimmers.
anyway-waaHOO! err southern yeeHAW! :cool:[/QUOTE]
I've order the SAME plasma from the SAME place on the SAME day and got a very similar offer. HP PL5000N for 5.4% less than out-of-stock J&R plus 5-year in-home warranty. Not sure if I should jump on it or not, it's still 16.67% more than I was originally paying for 50U and not sure if it's worth it. Any suggestions?

[Cynder]

RicheyPoor:
I was told when ordering pl5000 it was 50px500u minus pip but manual states otherwise. H.P. isn't helping matters spredding misinformation. I googled pl5000 even though I was 90% sure from reading here.

LukFilm:
Haha.. you edited right after I hit reply. I know I haven't lost my mind.
Its up to you if the extra features plus warranty is worth it to you. I was reading up on warranty's already and originally wanted the 50px500 but at the time the interent dealers with low prices were much more shady IMO than 6ave making pricing too big a difference to pass up. That is an excellant deal. ;)

[10553311]

[QUOTE=frank bavaro]black levels changing alert !! - hp pl5000n
i saw it , fairly signifantly,last night during "monster-in-law" using a sony 777es (i don't think it is a source problem)
this also happens on my 42 "panny edtv in the bdrm using a denon 2910 there
it happens in dark and dimly lit scenes - it looks almost like there is a fireplace going in the room in the scene - lots of shimmering and changing blacks - pretty distracting
having said that, the PQ otherwise is just beautiful - anything else is fantastic - ie diff scenes , tv in std def or hd def just georgeous[/QUOTE]

I've had my 42" HD HP for 2 weeks now and I've noticed this as well over the last 3 days. Just like a faint fireplace look-is a good visual description- was not that distracting for me, but I did notice, but I have the 42".

Can't tell you all my settings currently - but VIVID is not set and I've seen it with even CINEMA setting. But as all new owners will say - not a problem.

Some of my Digital SD channels through comcast almost look HD - unbelievable set. With this set I'm starting to classify about 5 source groups based on quality.

1) HD (1080i)
2) Almost HD - Super SD
3) Great SD
4) Standard SD
5) Poor/Very Poor SD

May be overkill, but these are the classes of TV I feel I watch through COMCAST Digital on this TV.

[CJArciola, III]

Cynder:
I was told when ordering pl5000 it was 50px500u minus pip but manual states otherwise...
From what I can see, HP set has split-screen PIP, both have photo viewer, both have same sound system, the HP has a digital audio output-panny doesn't, HP has no TVGOS, both use the same plasma panel...exactly what are you saying when you write, "manual states otherwise?"

[frank bavaro]

black levels changing update !!!!!!!!!!

watched "kingdom of heaven" last night - not once did i notice it , at all
2 1/2 hr movie , with tons of dark , almost black and dimly lit scenes - black levels changing was a non-issue
very pleased and surprised , but bewildered - what makes it happen ?
i know it's there , on occasion - on my 42" panny and now the 50" hp - perhaps quality of video transfer to dvd ? ie - monster -in-law was sh*t , kingdom - way, way better

[10dulkar]

that is an interesting observation...i was watching an indian movie last night....and in one scene i did notice the black level changing....could be a result of the video quality coz i watched LOTR and did not notice it at all....

[hoodlum]

If it is source dependant then you should see it on a CRT. Anyone want to try? :)

[rod_video]

frank, dulkar, thanks for keeping us up-to-date on your observations with the black-level issue!!

[haveoneolboy]

[QUOTE=10dulkar]that is an interesting observation...i was watching an indian movie last night....and in one scene i did notice the black level changing....could be a result of the video quality coz i watched LOTR and did not notice it at all....[/QUOTE]

I watched LOTR last night also on my 42" ED HP4200 and did not notice this. I am addicted to movies now. I have almost talked myself into moving this set to the bedroom and getting the HP PL5000N for my living room.

[huskyboy]

Can someone message me the contact in jandr to get a deal for hp pl5000n

[Citivas]

[QUOTE=RicheyPoor]
I'll stick 100% to my original statement: With the exception of the TV Guide, case and accessories the PL5000n is a Panasonic 50PX500U and the PL4200n is a 42PX500U. They are made by Panasonic for HP, and as such will have all the Panny's good points and (unfortunately) their bad points as well. If I were in the market for a 500U and the price was right on one of these I wouldn't hesitate for a minute.[/QUOTE]

I am planning to make the switch from my 500U order to HP today so I checked out both manuals. The sound says 26W in both and even the exact dimensions of the speakers are the same, so it doesn't appear to be a difference. However, I have not seen anyone mention that in adidtion to no TV Guide feature, the HP is also lacking the IR Blaster. Perhaps the assumption is this only is useful with the TVGO option so it is not mentioned separately...

The manuals pictues of the setup menus appear identical in both, except the HP logo. That gives me reason to believe the HP firmware was a divergence of the Panny 500U code. My question is, are they now on totally separate paths subsequent to that initial off-shoot? Will we be able to count on HP providing updates equivilent to and on the same time frame as Panny as necessary? I understand there already is an upgrade to fix a cable card issue, etc...

Also, what is the general opinion about needing HP to support the set instead of Panny? I have mixed feelings. The gist I have read is that Panny does not have the best support. That said, I fear the HP people are going to have no expert experience with the sets and that this will be a disadvantage with any serious issues.

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=Citivas]I am planning to make the switch from my 500U order to HP today so I checked out both manuals. The sound says 26W in both and even the exact dimensions of the speakers are the same, so it doesn't appear to be a difference. However, I have not seen anyone mention that in adidtion to no TV Guide feature, the HP is also lacking the IR Blaster. Perhaps the assumption is this only is useful with the TVGO option so it is not mentioned separately...

The manuals pictues of the setup menus appear identical in both, except the HP logo. That gives me reason to believe the HP firmware was a divergence of the Panny 500U code. My question is, are they now on totally separate paths subsequent to that initial off-shoot? Will we be able to count on HP providing updates equivilent to and on the same time frame as Panny as necessary? I understand there already is an upgrade to fix a cable card issue, etc...

Also, what is the general opinion about needing HP to support the set instead of Panny? I have mixed feelings. The gist I have read is that Panny does not have the best support. That said, I fear the HP people are going to have no expert experience with the sets and that this will be a disadvantage with any serious issues.[/QUOTE]


"If I were in the market for a 500U and the price was right on one of these [5000n] I wouldn't hesitate for a minute."


Shortly after making the above statement I was given the opportunity to put-up or shut-up when 6th Ave called me with a pretty sweet deal on the 5000n. I've been waiting for a 50PX50U not a 500U because I really didn't need the extra features and didn't like the additional depth caused by the 'speaker bump' as I'm going to wall mount it. However, the promise of delivery tomorrow combined with the price made me think twice and I decided to 'put-up'. If it actually shows up tomorrow (I've heard too much about 6th Ave to be very trusting) I'll be posting photos and updates over the weekend.

Citivas:
Your point about the firmware is a good one. I used to work in electronics and I'll probably be tempted to try the Panny firmware one day (if HP doesn't bring out their own updates) but for now I just want to enjoy my first plasma TV!

[huskyboy]

just made order with 6ave.... got ok deal... but one guy supposedly got a crazier better deal but did not grap it.... was on preorder for 50u.... manager of the tv electronics at 6ave... made me an offer that was pretty good in my eyes... threw in wall mount and 6 year warranty

i just hope everyone is true in saying that this is just a rebadge.... glup.... but want a tv now... couldn't wait anymore

[huskyboy]

so does the hp pl5000n have spilt screen or some kind of PIP? can someone confirm that?

[BarnacleBill]

[QUOTE=CJArciola, III]HP has a digital audio output-panny doesn't, HP has no TVGOS, both use the same plasma panel...exactly what are you saying when you write, "manual states otherwise?"[/QUOTE]
I don't know about the 500U specifically, but the Panny 50U has digital out. It's over to the left of the other connectors and easy to miss.

[Cynder]

[QUOTE=CJArciola, III]From what I can see, HP set has split-screen PIP, both have photo viewer, both have same sound system, the HP has a digital audio output-panny doesn't, HP has no TVGOS, both use the same plasma panel...exactly what are you saying when you write, "manual states otherwise?"[/QUOTE]


I meant the salesman was wrong to say pl5000 didn't have PIP.

Way to go Huskyboy. Mine didn't ship till yesterday from Monday's evening order. I need to figure out what cables I need.

What brick and mortar stores carry good quality cables that don't cost an arm/leg?
All I keep reading about is Monster Cable.

[huskyboy]

[QUOTE=huskyboy]so does the hp pl5000n have spilt screen or some kind of PIP? can someone confirm that?[/QUOTE]


off the hp site indicates... it has a spilt screen capability

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=huskyboy]so does the hp pl5000n have spilt screen or some kind of PIP? can someone confirm that?[/QUOTE]

It's in the 4200n/5000n manual on pg 31 (or 39)...
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00420342.pdf

[Citivas]

[QUOTE=huskyboy]just made order with 6ave.... got ok deal... but one guy supposedly got a crazier better deal but did not grap it.... was on preorder for 50u.... manager of the tv electronics at 6ave... made me an offer that was pretty good in my eyes... threw in wall mount and 6 year warranty

i just hope everyone is true in saying that this is just a rebadge.... glup.... but want a tv now... couldn't wait anymore[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about "Steve"? That's who I spoke to. He claimed to be the manager of TV's then later said he was kinown as the "HP Guy." Story kept changing. He also claimed that it was exactly the same as the 500U except the split screen function, which is just plain wrong but I let him go on... When I spoke to him it was obvious he works from home and he was trying to be subtle about multitasking and talking to his wife and halving to hold a crying baby in the background... He said his GM (another contradiction about his job) gave him a folder with 100 people to call to try to change their orders. When I tried to talk to him about the other deals I was PM'ed here with the extended warranties thrown in he claimed they must have misunderstood and said he had not sold a single unit with a free warranty. He later offered to with me after he called back after "doing the math" but not quite as good a deal as he had offered someone else who hadn't taken it...

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=CJArciola, III]...the HP has a digital audio output-panny doesn't..."[/QUOTE]

Both the 50PX500U and the PL5000n have (optical) digital audio output. It's in the same spot on each.

[Yoda1]

TV Authority sells the HP for a very attractive price.

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=Yoda1]TV Authority sells the HP for a very attractive price.[/QUOTE]

From their website it looks like they only have the older [non-Panasonic] models. I couldn't find the PL4200n or the PL5000n listed.

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=RicheyPoor]Both the 50PX500U and the PL5000n have (optical) digital audio output. It's in the same spot on each.[/QUOTE]

Stand corrected

[Yoda1]

[QUOTE=RicheyPoor]From their website it looks like they only have the older [non-Panasonic] models. I couldn't find the PL4200n or the PL5000n listed.[/QUOTE]

Give them a call on Monday. They absolutely sell the new HPs. They sell a lot of stuff that isn't listed on their site.

[Citivas]

[QUOTE=Yoda1]Give them a call on Monday. They absolutely sell the new HPs. They sell a lot of stuff that isn't listed on their site.[/QUOTE]

I brought this up -- that the TVA site doesn't list the 5000N -- in a different thread and a rep from TVA responded and said it is not listed because they don't have stock yet but that they are on order and planned to list it then...

[Yoda1]

I'm interested in the HP but I can't seem to pull the trigger. I just have a weird feeling that HP customer service is gonna suck or something. I guess I'll just wait for the Panasonics to come back in stock.

[smithneeley]

6ave offered me the PL500N for a great price and no shipping. I had ordered the 50PX50U and they gave me the HP for the same price and will ship on Monday. I bought the extended warranty which I researched and is through a reputable firm. 6ave has been straight up with me and after 4 weeks waiting for the Panasonic I wanted a TV because I sold my old set. I am not willing to wait 8 weeks or more as I see some members doing. I will keep everyone informed of how it goes.

[jmhillrph]

For what it's worth, CNET now has a review of the HP PL4200N (since I don't have the minimum 5 posts, I can't attach the link).

[CJArciola, III]

[QUOTE=jmhillrph]For what it's worth, CNET now has a review of the HP PL4200N (since I don't have the minimum 5 posts, I can't attach the link).[/QUOTE]

Here's the link:CNET review PL4200N (http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_PL4200N/4505-6485_7-31484731.html)
Wonder why they didn't review the 5000N which has a higher resolution...something they found fault with in the smaller, lower resolutiion 42" panel.

[Citivas]

[QUOTE=CJArciola, III]Here's the link:CNET review PL4200N (http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_PL4200N/4505-6485_7-31484731.html)
Wonder why they didn't review the 5000N which has a higher resolution...something they found fault with in the smaller, lower resolutiion 42" panel.[/QUOTE]

Also interesting that they comletely missed the fact that it IS a Panasonic, comparing the two as if they were different. Their reviewers need to spend more time trolling around here...

[RicheyPoor]

[QUOTE=jmhillrph]For what it's worth, CNET now has a review of the HP PL4200N (since I don't have the minimum 5 posts, I can't attach the link).[/QUOTE]
Here's the link:
http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_PL4200N/4505-6482_7-31484731-2.html?tag=top

Interesting review. It scored a 7.5, Higher than the 42PX50U's 7.1 but this was due to style and features. Here's a few quotes:

They liked the blacks:
"Overall, we were pleasantly surprised by the HP PL4200N's very good picture quality. The blacks on this panel are right up there with those of our reference Panasonic models, such as the aforementioned TH-42PX50U and the industrial TH-42PHD7UY." [Gee] ;)

...but weren't as happy with the color:
"The color decoding, as we are finding with most plasmas, was far from accurate."

"In terms of color reproduction, the HP falls a bit short of the Panasonics we've tested, which is the reason for its lower overall performance score."

The conclusion:
"Despite some trade-offs in color fidelity, the HP PL4200N delivers a surprisingly solid picture with excellent blacks and plenty of punch."

Perhaps the most interesting feature of the review was that the 4200n scored 'good' in the DC restoration test (vs. the 42PX50U's 'poor'). This could mean several things, one of which is sloppy testing procedures (which is what I suspect). Perhaps the Panasonic was on Vivid during the test and the HP on standard? The fact is we don't know because cnet doesn't say. Another thing that surprises me is that having this set in front of them, could they not notice it's similarity to the 42PX500U (and the Panasonic lineup in general). This should have been instantly apparent to anyone in the business they're in. Are they not allowed to mention this (or even speculate)? If they truly didn't notice then they aren't too observant, that's why putting too much weight on these reviews (or any one review) is dangerous.