Windows x64

[Ringnes]

Hi,

Whats the newest status on Windows x64 regarding HTPC? Does the stuff we need, like ZoomPlayer, dScaler5, ffdshow and Reclock work with x64?

[kongo-jee]

yes i second this question....will fusion or myhd work on a windows 64 system?

[foundation]

If they don't supply drivers for the boards then no. Win x64 will run most software programs, but hardware requires updated drivers.

[stanger89]

Until the software (specifically decoders/post processors) are re-written/optomized for 64 bit processors, even if there were drivers, there'd be no benefit.

[Carmine]

I dual boot MCE and x64. I love x64, and Im just waiting on a ATI Theater 550 pro driver to completely switch. I use ZP, ffdshow, itunes and the Nvidia decoder works fine.

[stanger89]

Not trying to start a fight :), but why is x64 so good? What works better in it? Seriously, I've got an A64 and a copy of X64, but I'm still running XP Pro, because to my knowledge, x64 offers me nothing.

[sotti]

x64 gives you more than 4GB of addressable memory
x64 gives you 64bit percision in a single operation
x64 gives you twice the numbers of registers for any operation.

Of those 3 benefits, only the doubled registers will give you a general increase perfomance and that is where the main bump in perfomance comes from. The others two are only relevant in specific circumstances.

And still it only gives you a boost when application is recompiled for x64.

I honestly wouldn't run x64 because of the driver issues, but if you've got drivers for everything then go for it. The driver issue is the ONLY downside (some games that use starforce protection require an x64 driver to run, stupid driver based copy protection).

[stanger89]

[QUOTE=sotti]x64 gives you more than 4GB of addressable memory
x64 gives you 64bit percision in a single operation
x64 gives you twice the numbers of registers for any operation.

Of those 3 benefits, only the doubled registers will give you a general increase perfomance and that is where the main bump in perfomance comes from. The others two are only relevant in specific circumstances.

And still it only gives you a boost when application is recompiled for x64.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that didn't come out right, I understand the potential benefits that there will be once the "transition" happens. Basically I was wondering what apps have been recompiled/optimized for x64.

[sotti]

basically nothing that doesn't install with the OS.

[sandiego1]

x64 is totally buggy and not worth it at the moment. XP pro is sufficient for HTPC needs.

[masicycle]

Have to second what sandiego said. I installed x64 for my HTPC and found it completely uncompelling and not worth the hassle whe compared to standard XP-Pro. The user-interface for x64 is definitely "snappier" and some apps which are ported to 64-bit do run a bit quicker but the whole experience was definitely not better. The lack of broadbased driver support (Prodigy soundcard, iMon remote, etc.) make this a non-starter for me. YMMV, however.

Kevin.

[vidkidd]

Although most applications are not recomplied or have been modified to take advantage of x64, what most people fail to take into account is that all OS related operations, including video, file subsystem, ect, are all optimized to handle the goodness of the additional processing strength. On Disk intensive operations with non x64 apps, we generally find a 25% boost in I/O performance.

It's great to have a "Professional Grade" OS around again. Not too long ago, when 98 was mainstream, 2000 was in the same position that x64 is in today. A powerful OS with a driver support and user base to boot. That's not to say XP isnt the best windows version to date, its great, but x64 is the next evolution of the OS.

My main HTPC uses XP Media center and rests on a 2.6 P4 and I couldn't be happier, while my project box is a AMD 3.8 X2 that dual boots into XP Pro and x64. I admit that I tend to use x64 daily and only revert to Pro only when I need DVD burning support from Nero. Multitasking on a dual core CPU in a x64 operating system cant be beat.

Windows x64 is an industrial strength, stable operating system that has been built to take advantage of the latest processing power on the desktop. If there is something buggy about it, it's probably 3rd party software, driver or hardware related.

Thx,
Vidkidd

[starshipwarrior]

VidKIDD this part of your reply
"My main HTPC uses XP Media center and rests on a 2.6 P4 and I couldn't be happier, while my project box is a AMD 3.8 X2 that dual boots into XP Pro and x64. I admit that I tend to use x64 daily and only revert to Pro only when I need DVD burning support from Nero. Multitasking on a dual core CPU in a x64 operating system cant be beat."
Thats good news to hear since I currently was considering buying a X64 MB/CPU combo
But the question begs to be asked - What about Vista (AKA Longhorn) from what I have read there may be 5-7 versions of it and I have not heard anything about X64 support ( I may have missed it so correct me if wrong )

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[starshipwarrior]

I posted a few minutes ago and its missing (Ghost-LOL)

VidKidd -"Quote"
"My main HTPC uses XP Media center and rests on a 2.6 P4 and I couldn't be happier, while my project box is a AMD 3.8 X2 that dual boots into XP Pro and x64. I admit that I tend to use x64 daily and only revert to Pro only when I need DVD burning support from Nero. Multitasking on a dual core CPU in a x64 operating system cant be beat."

This is good news to hear but the question begs to be asked -
What about the new OS - Vista AK Longhorn - 5-7 versions are coming out as I have read - and no mention of anything 64 was said in the reviews unless I missed one
Any one have any info on it

Starship Warrior

[vidkidd]

As for vista x64, as a member of MSDN, I have had Vista and Vista x64 loaded on my X2 3800 system and have found it to perform better than x64 professional or XP Pro. I have tested DVD codec's work from NVidia and Cyberlink and they work just fine.

My main problem is that my motherboard, Jetway A210GDMS-Pro is based on the ATI Xpress 200 Northbridge and the ULi 1573 Southbridge and although the ULi implementation of USB and SATA is superior to ATI's, there are no drivers I have been able to find that work on it in Vista or Vista 64.

Thx,
Vidkidd

[diogen]

Anybody tried the new 64bit Encoder? Any faster?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=605182

Diogen.

[njdreamer]

I run Win x64 with Zoomplayer, DScaler 5, ffdshow and reclock. Works great.
The only thing missing for me are the 64 bit drivers for my Hauppauge PVR-250 which I use with SageTV on another system.

[Carmine]

One of the major benefits IMO is that Win XP x64 is baed off of Windows Server 2003. Win 2003 is more stable and responsive then regualr XP. Also not having support for 16-bit applications is a plus I think.

I dual boot MCE and I use Win XP x64 for gaming, and its a great setup. throw it on another partition, then you can have 32 bit to go back to.

BTW, anyone heard of the ATI Theater 550 getting x64 drivers?