They Say Plasma- No Bars,Still,Or Screen First 1000 Hours!

[HoustonGuy]

For the first 1000 hours they say. . Now that could last at least 7 months if you watch 5 hours a day. I would wager that only 5% of the buyers ever do this. Is it not freaking ridiculous? You will get burn in on your plasma. It is just a matter of time and usage. But that is why you bought the extended warranty.
They say do NOT subject your Plasma to still shots ,logos etc or anything other than FULL SCREEN MODE for the first 6 months.. I agree.

[gotchaforce]

what?

are you talking about general guidelines for using a plasma or the first 50-100 hours of break in period?

[SkyNett]

What?

I passed the 1,000 hour mark in less than 4 months.

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make... :confused:

[RichB]

"What's all this I hear about 1000 hours breaking period?" - Rosanne Rotanadana :)

100 Hours is the number.

[dontdothat88]

huh? Actually, im not even sure about the 100 hours, anybody have a link to where it says that? And who's this "they". The last link i seen about plasma burn in i believe was written a couple years ago, nothing recent. And you said yourself, "5% of people do this", i think that may be a pretty accurate number, which tells me that the whole burn in thing is WAYYYYYYYYY overhyped. 95% of the people just get it home and watch tv, with bars, logo's, whatever is on, and i would guess that a VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY small percentage of those people have burn in. If they all got burn in, plasma sales would be at 0 next year.

[RandyWalters]

[QUOTE=HoustonGuy]For the first 1000 hours they say. . Now that could last at least 7 months if you watch 5 hours a day. I would wager that only 5% of the buyers ever do this. Is it not freaking ridiculous? You will get burn in on your plasma. It is just a matter of time and usage. But that is why you bought the extended warranty. They say do NOT subject your Plasma to still shots ,logos etc or anything other than FULL SCREEN MODE for the first 6 months.. I agree.[/QUOTE]An extended warranty (or the factory warranty for that matter) will not cover any type of TV for burn-in so it's not just a plasma thing. Burn-in is caused by carelessness but the new Pannys are less susceptible to burn-in than ever before.

Panasonic recommends breaking in the plasma for 100 hours, not 1000, but the next 900 hours they do want you to excersize caution and use common sense. I run mine in 4:3 mode more than half the time and i have zero burn-in so far (i have about 2,000 hours on it now).

From the Panasonic white paper:

After the hundred-hour break-in period, during the next nine-hundred hours:

· Continue to retain the picture setting at 50% or less.

· Limit the use of 4:3 aspect ratio mode (traditional picture size that does

not fill the entire screen) to 15% of viewing time.

· Limit the use of static images (computer, video games, etc.) to less than

10% of viewing time.

After one-thousand viewing hours, panels are much less likely to experience image burn-in.

White Paper (http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/pressroom/cont2.asp?Filter=12&cont_id=822)

[dontdothat88]

randy, that the white paper i was looking for, its from NOV 2004, which means it relates to last years models, which means pretty much nothing now. That would be the WORST case scenario, there isnt even a white paper for this year, probably because its not even an issue any more, doesn't need to be broken in

[JohnMR]

[QUOTE=HoustonGuy] You will get burn in on your plasma. It is just a matter of time and usage. [/QUOTE]

Really? Well, My first Panny a 42 6U has just over 10,000 hours and has no burn in at all. The Panel is now in my daughters room and still getting a few hours a day. No problems at all.

John

[kingfrog]

I don't know who THEY are but I certainly am not going to avoid 4:3 viewing, logo stations, Fox News and playing Vgames for six months!!!They are not in the user's manual. The "They" also said plasma gas needs recharging I suppose and only lasts a couple years.

Im not burning in my 4 day old Plasma. Just using it as I would normally use any TV. I played Madden on it for around 7 hours so far and watched about 6 DVDs, I don't see any image retention at all. RPCRTs were supposedly worse then Plasma insofar as burn in goes and there was no "white paper" with a break in period to my knowlege just the normal warnings in the manual.

I cannot be bothered with a stopwatch and special viewings. Nor will I subject my family to that. If the TV lasts 8 years instead of ten so be it.
That having been said, purchasing mine at Costco does make me braver then most but thats why I bought it there. I am using it as I would use any new TV. If it becomes a problem they will get it back. I'm betting that it won't happen that I will have issues because did not burn it in the first 100-1000 hours of use.

[pstrisik]

[QUOTE=RichB]"What's all this I hear about 1000 hours breaking period?" - Rosanne Rotanadana :)

100 Hours is the number.[/QUOTE]
I think you mean Emily Litella... "What's that you say? 100 hours? Ohhhh! I though you said, Hunt the flowers! Well then..... Nevermind!"

Rosanne Rosanadana would have said something like, "It's always something. If it wasn't burn-in, it was motion judder. If it wasn't motion judder, it was red push. It was making me sick! I thought I was going to puke all over my remote control!"

Sorry, couldn't resist the nostalgia. :D

[Paul Bigelow]

"Jane looks over disgustingly..." ;-)

Paul

[optivity]

[QUOTE=dontdothat88]randy, that the white paper i was looking for, its from NOV 2004, which means it relates to last years models, which means pretty much nothing now. That would be the WORST case scenario, there isnt even a white paper for this year, probably because its not even an issue any more, doesn't need to be broken in[/QUOTE]Not necessarily, the recommendations as specified by Panasonic in their white paper:

"Plasma Facts and Myths Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective" (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='plasma%20white%20paper%20panasonic')

will apply to "any" phosphor based fixed pixel display with a lifespan rated at 60,000 hours until half-brightness.

[Dovetails]

[QUOTE=kingfrog]I don't know who THEY are but I certainly am not going to avoid 4:3 viewing, logo stations, Fox News and playing Vgames for six months!!!They are not in the user's manual. The "They" also said plasma gas needs recharging I suppose and only lasts a couple years.

Im not burning in my 4 day old Plasma. Just using it as I would normally use any TV. I played Madden on it for around 7 hours so far and watched about 6 DVDs, I don't see any image retention at all. RPCRTs were supposedly worse then Plasma insofar as burn in goes and there was no "white paper" with a break in period to my knowlege just the normal warnings in the manual.

I cannot be bothered with a stopwatch and special viewings. Nor will I subject my family to that. If the TV lasts 8 years instead of ten so be it.
That having been said, purchasing mine at Costco does make me braver then most but thats why I bought it there. I am using it as I would use any new TV. If it becomes a problem they will get it back. I'm betting that it won't happen that I will have issues because did not burn it in the first 100-1000 hours of use.[/QUOTE]

FWIW; the other day I was asking one of our local high end dealers what - if any - procedure they used when delivering and setting up plasmas for their customers. These guys are doing 7 - 8 PDP installs a week. He told me they simply calibrate the set using a DVE disc so the customer instantly has the best PQ. Then tells them to sit back and ENJOY!!! He reports no problems of customers having burn - in issues with the sets thereafter. ;)

[Franchot]

When I got my Panny, I just alternated between widescreen movies (all aspects) and 4:3 movies (with side bars) from the get-go...two years later--no burn-ins or problems.

[dontdothat88]

[QUOTE=optivity]Not necessarily, the recommendations as specified by Panasonic in their white paper:

"Plasma Facts and Myths Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective" (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='plasma%20white%20paper%20panasonic')

will apply to "any" phosphor based fixed pixel display with a lifespan rated at 60,000 hours until half-brightness.[/QUOTE]

any as of that printing, nov 2004. I also recall panny saying that the new generation would be less susceptable to burn in, therefore that white paper would not be relevant, unless updated to reflect the 'new' technology they integrated into the new panels.

[optivity]

I have about 600 hours on my PDP and see no evidence of image retention. As I've become less paranoid about this issue I have started limited use of 4:3 aspect ratio and will occasionally play a DVD in it's OAR.

During the 1st 100 hours I believe PDP owners should be very careful with their displays. The "key" is to use reasonable contrast/brightness settings, vary the programming being displayed on the TV and whenever possible, fill the entire display.

I'm not sure but IMO the prolonged use of black bars may tend to show evidence of uneven phosphor wear after a period of years.

[optivity]

[QUOTE=dontdothat88]any as of that printing, nov 2004. I also recall panny saying that the new generation would be less susceptable to burn in, therefore that white paper would not be relevant, unless updated to reflect the 'new' technology they integrated into the new panels.[/QUOTE]As I said, I believe the information covered in this document is applicable to "any" PDP with a lifespan rated at 60,000 hours until half-brightness. While manufacturers continue to improve their products and add features to decrease the risk of burn-in... the lifespan rating has not changed and 720p phosphor based technology remains "essentially" the same.

[dontdothat88]

[QUOTE=optivity]As I said, I believe the information covered in this document is applicable to "any" PDP with a lifespan rated at 60,000 hours until half-brightness. While manufacturers continue to improve their products and add features to decrease the risk of burn-in... the lifespan rating has not changed and 720p phosphor based technology remains "essentially" the same.[/QUOTE]

so then panasonic was just blatantly lying when they said the new generation has improved burn-in resistance? I agree they say "any with a lifespan of 60,00 hours", but that was Any as of the time of that printing, they cant tell the future and how resistance to burn in may be improved.

[SkyNett]

[QUOTE=dontdothat88]so then panasonic was just blatantly lying when they said the new generation has improved burn-in resistance? I agree they say "any with a lifespan of 60,00 hours", but that was Any as of the time of that printing, they cant tell the future and how resistance to burn in may be improved.[/QUOTE]

No...actually a few of the guys here have Panny's that are several years old and they still report robust anti-burn in performance, even from panels that aren't "brand-new".

[michaelingp]

This is the same old "no pain no gain" mantra you see in so many forums. "People today just got no backbone." "In my day, we couldn't just enjoy the TV, we had to baby it." "You can do what you want, but as for me, I'm going to take care of my set." "How does it hurt to take good care of an expensive material possession?" Etc. etc.

For some reason, it just kills some guys to know that some other guy who is less consciencious, less intelligent and less careful is actually enjoying their TV more without all the stop watches, the deprivation, the distorted pictures, etc.

[TheSkeptiks]

Yeah, I did the whole worry thing for about a month...then I said screw this, it's just a tv.

No problems. I treat this like any other tv. I pause Tivo to go to the bathroom, I watch CNN HEadline news with tickers, I play Halo2 almost non stop with static symbols on the screen, I watch DVD's with bars on top and on bottom.

Screw it. I really enjoy this tv now without having myself worry about how long a static image has been on my screen.

No image retention, no burn in.

EVERYONE, just enjoy your tv and treat it like a tv. I've been on this forum for a while now and I can not recall any plasma owner that has had any burn in (now that I said that I'm sure a few will pop up)
Even with everyone saying they have ZERO problems people still bring up the burn in/image retention/lifetime of the unit, etc.

Once people here something negative they never want to believe it's not true.

[optivity]

[QUOTE=dontdothat88]so then panasonic was just blatantly lying when they said the new generation has improved burn-in resistance?[/QUOTE]No. While all manufactures of PDPs strive to reduce the risk of image retention, none can prevent the damage that occurs to a misused display.

[kingfrog]

[QUOTE=TheSkeptiks]Yeah, I did the whole worry thing for about a month...then I said screw this, it's just a tv.

No problems. I treat this like any other tv. I pause Tivo to go to the bathroom, I watch CNN HEadline news with tickers, I play Halo2 almost non stop with static symbols on the screen, I watch DVD's with bars on top and on bottom.

Screw it. I really enjoy this tv now without having myself worry about how long a static image has been on my screen.

No image retention, no burn in.

EVERYONE, just enjoy your tv and treat it like a tv. I've been on this forum for a while now and I can not recall any plasma owner that has had any burn in (now that I said that I'm sure a few will pop up)
Even with everyone saying they have ZERO problems people still bring up the burn in/image retention/lifetime of the unit, etc.

Once people here something negative they never want to believe it's not true.[/QUOTE]


Im with you. No formal burn in program for me. Just using and and enjoying it. I too have paused DVDs. Left it on the menu screen for a while I was on the phone. Played Madden, and genrally I am not worried about it. If only because I have not read of burn in issues on any of there great forums. There will always be those who are slightly OC about their stuff be it TVs or lawn mowers. Others never change oil. Most fall in between and pick our obsessions carefully.

I read manuals and buy where I am protected the most, even if the choices are less. Neither Costco or Maxent reccommends a break in period, Thats enough for me.

[optivity]

[QUOTE=michaelingp]This is the same old "no pain no gain" mantra you see in so many forums. "People today just got no backbone." "In my day, we couldn't just enjoy the TV, we had to baby it." "You can do what you want, but as for me, I'm going to take care of my set." "How does it hurt to take good care of an expensive material possession?" Etc. etc.

For some reason, it just kills some guys to know that some other guy who is less consciencious, less intelligent and less careful is actually enjoying their TV more without all the stop watches, the deprivation, the distorted pictures, etc.[/QUOTE]Dude... those of us who are older and wiser than you fully appreciate what it takes to "earn" our $5000 toy(s) so we tend to take better care of our possessions. After a period of time using this new technology, we become more willing to display black bars and 4:3 aspect ratios. With experience comes patience and the ability to keep our panels out of "torch" mode for at least 100 hours. :rolleyes:

[Bud-man]

Burnin?....what's that? i cranked up the default Vivid settings even more..blacks were too dark!!!!!
I want to see the lace in black lace!!!!, not a black blur!!!
Here's my 'Vivid" mode setup
picture +25
brightness +10
color -5
tint -5
sharpness 0
all noise reductions to off
black level light

[dontdothat88]

[QUOTE=optivity]No. While all manufactures of PDPs strive to reduce the risk of image retention, none can prevent the damage that occurs to a misused display.[/QUOTE]
still didnt answer my question. Your saying that the white paper that they put out for last years model, is still 100% relevant for this years model. Well panasonic would disagree with that statement, since they said this years model is better with burn in. So either panasonic lied when they said this years model is better, or, like i have been saying, last years white paper is no longer relevant, you cant have it both ways.

edit: by the way like so many others have been saying, i watch what i want when i want, havent had even a HINT of burn in in either my 50px500u or 37px50u. Granted i watch mostly hd, but there is NO way i would pay this kind of money for a tv then watch everything stretched or zoomed, i would rather watch a 25 inch crt then that. And in a month when i get my xbox, i plan on playing for hours and hours at a time, and stopping when i get tired of playing, not when i get 'scared' of burn in.

[optivity]

[QUOTE=dontdothat88]still didnt answer my question. Your saying that the white paper that they put out for last years model, is still 100% relevant for this years model. Well panasonic would disagree with that statement, since they said this years model is better with burn in.[/quote]"As I said, I believe the information covered in this document is applicable to "any" PDP with a lifespan rated at 60,000 hours until half-brightness. While manufacturers continue to improve their products and add features to decrease the risk of burn-in... the lifespan rating has not changed and 720p phosphor based technology remains "essentially" the same."

[QUOTE=dontdothat88]So either panasonic lied when they said this years model is better, or, like i have been saying, last years white paper is no longer relevant, you cant have it both ways[/quote]"all manufactures of PDPs strive to reduce the risk of image retention, none can prevent the damage that occurs to a misused display"

[QUOTE=dontdothat88]edit: by the way like so many others have been saying, i watch what i want when i want, havent had even a HINT of burn in in either my 50px500u or 37px50u.[/quote]"After a period of time using this new technology, we become more willing to display black bars and 4:3 aspect ratios. With experience comes patience and the ability to keep our panels out of "torch" mode for at least 100 hours"[QUOTE=dontdothat88]Granted i watch mostly hd[/QUOTE]"The "key" is to use reasonable contrast/brightness settings, vary the programming being displayed on the TV and whenever possible, fill the entire display"

Hopefully after reading the same information "twice" you can understand. IMO it is more prudent to follow the manufacturers recommendations instead of some anonymous yahoo who gets his thrills from posting "trash" in an Internet Forum. :rolleyes:

[dontdothat88]

[QUOTE=optivity]"As I said, I believe the information covered in this document is applicable to "any" PDP with a lifespan rated at 60,000 hours until half-brightness. While manufacturers continue to improve their products and add features to decrease the risk of burn-in... the lifespan rating has not changed and 720p phosphor based technology remains "essentially" the same."

"all manufactures of PDPs strive to reduce the risk of image retention, none can prevent the damage that occurs to a misused display"

"After a period of time using this new technology, we become more willing to display black bars and 4:3 aspect ratios. With experience comes patience and the ability to keep our panels out of "torch" mode for at least 100 hours""The "key" is to use reasonable contrast/brightness settings, vary the programming being displayed on the TV and whenever possible, fill the entire display"

Hopefully after reading the same information "twice" you can understand. IMO it is more prudent to follow the manufacturers recommendations instead of some anonymous yahoo who gets his thrills from posting "trash" in an Internet Forum. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

very nice, still didnt answer a very simple question. Are you saying panasonic lied???????? You are saying the 04 models and 05 models are exactly the same when it comes to burn in, that is the oposite of what panasonic stated. So either you are wrong, or panasonic is just blatantly lying when they say this years models are less susceptable to burn in.

[kingfrog]

[QUOTE=optivity]Dude... those of us who are older and wiser than you fully appreciate what it takes to "earn" our $5000 toy(s) so we tend to take better care of our possessions. After a period of time using this new technology, we become more willing to display black bars and 4:3 aspect ratios. With experience comes patience and the ability to keep our panels out of "torch" mode for at least 100 hours. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Ah Duuuude..Who are you calling older using that term?

I think anyone who has the bread to spend on this technology is quite aware of what it took to "earn" such. Those who spent a good sum of money do not want to be stuck with a pocket watch and a primer on what to watch and for how long. they earned the right to do as they please with their sets.

My manual had no such break in recommendation. Just the perfunctory warning that has been around for the past 30 years regarding static images.

Its not an "appreciation" for the cost of the set that allows some of us to be free of the OC surrounding it. It is precisely the cost of it which claims freedom from those very arbitrary "rules" those who worry more about such things are forced to follow.

[BarnacleBill]

[QUOTE=pstrisik]I think you mean Emily Litella... "What's that you say? 100 hours? Ohhhh! I though you said, Hunt the flowers! Well then..... Nevermind!"

Rosanne Rosanadana would have said something like, "It's always something. If it wasn't burn-in, it was motion judder. If it wasn't motion judder, it was red push. It was making me sick! I thought I was going to puke all over my remote control!"

Sorry, couldn't resist the nostalgia. :D[/QUOTE]
Pstrisik, you ignorant slut! :D :D
(This thread needed some serious lightening up.)

[optivity]

[QUOTE=dontdothat88]very nice, still didnt answer a very simple question. Are you saying panasonic lied???????? You are saying the 04 models and 05 models are exactly the same when it comes to burn in, that is the oposite of what panasonic stated. So either you are wrong, or panasonic is just blatantly lying when they say this years models are less susceptable to burn in.[/QUOTE]I said:

"manufacturers [color=red]continue to improve their products and add features to decrease the risk of burn-in...[/color] the lifespan rating has not changed and 720p phosphor based technology remains "essentially" the same."

so no:

"the 04 models and 05 models are [not] exactly the same when it comes to burn in"

and I do not believe I'm wrong or that "panasonic is just blatantly lying when they say this years models are less susceptable to burn in"

[quote=kingfrog]My manual had no such break in recommendation. Just the perfunctory warning that has been around for the past 30 years regarding static images.[/quote]While I'm impressed you actually made it to page two of your owner's manual... the white paper I referred to is Panasonic's advice "From the Video Purist Perspective" which I assume you're not.
[quote=kingfrog]Its not an "appreciation" for the cost of the set that allows some of us to be free of the OC surrounding it. It is precisely the cost of it which claims freedom from those very arbitrary "rules" those who worry more about such things are forced to follow.[/quote]Dude... you're free to watch your PDP in "torch" mode, black bars and all, anytime you want... it doesn’t matter to me. But if you insist on passing out "bad advice" in this Forum... I'll call you on it.

[dtrell]

mods, isnt there a burn-in thread already?

[optivity]

[QUOTE=dtrell]mods, isnt there a burn-in thread already?[/QUOTE]Not a mod, but the answer to your question is yes. Are you applying for this position? :)