Warner Exec Says HD DVD Titles May Be Delayed

[Ilka]

http://www.homemediaretailing.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?article_id=8762

"The much-ballyhooed launch this month of the next-generation HD DVD format promises to be more of a whimper than a bang.

Warner Home Video, the only studio which in January had set a firm date, March 28, for its first HD DVD titles to arrive in stores, now says it may not be ready in time due to technical issues.

“To be honest, the outlook is tenuous — we’re still coming out with an initial slate, but we may be a week or two later; we just don’t know,” said division president Ron Sanders.

..."

[PerHT]

“I’d be surprised” if any Paramount HD DVD titles arrive in stores before mid-April
The gap is narrowing fast.

Universal Studios Home Entertainment, which announced a dozen titles in January, likewise hasn’t scheduled any firm release dates. “We’re just trying to set a date that makes sense,” said a studio source who asked not to be named. “It’s new technology and dates are going to move around a bit. And keep in mind, this is a very small launch.

Just waiting for the big BD launch? ;) :D

Warner Home Video, the only studio which in January had set a firm date, March 28, for its first HD DVD titles to arrive in stores, now says it may not be ready in time due to technical issues.

“We’re just trying to set a date that makes sense "Universal spokesman"
End of May? :p :D

Good luck with your purchase HD-DVD boys, it will be fairly useful 29. March.

Per

[johnovox]

[QUOTE=PerHT]The gap is narrowing fast.



Just waiting for the big BD launch? ;) :D




End of May? :p :D

Good luck with your purchase HD-DVD boys, it will be fairly useful 29. March.

Per[/QUOTE]

Ok, so I have to wait two weeks and then I can watch Harry Potter 4 in HD, at which time you will be watching which BD discs? Oh and where are the release dates for Blu Ray in Norway? Might want to rethink that post pal

[nyg]

[QUOTE=johnovox]Ok, so I have to wait two weeks and then I can watch Harry Potter 4 in HD, at which time you will be watching which BD discs? Oh and where are the release dates for Blu Ray in Norway? Might want to rethink that post pal[/QUOTE]
The point is that HD DVD fans have been touting the early launch of their format for quite awhile now and that advantage is even smaller with this news today. Instead of a 7 week advantage it's now 5 or 6, maybe less than that. That's nothing to brag about IMO.

[Clepto]

[QUOTE=n2blu]The point is that HD DVD fans have been touting the early launch of their format for quite awhile now and that advantage is even smaller with this news today. Instead of a 7 week advantage it's now 5 or 6, maybe less than that. That's nothing to brag about IMO.[/QUOTE]

Well, can't count the chickens before they're hatched. If HD DVD is having these issues, there's no reason that BD will be immune as well. Probably safer to wait till May 23 and then start pointing fingers (;

[Clepto]

[QUOTE=johnovox]Ok, so I have to wait two weeks and then I can watch Harry Potter 4 in HD, at which time you will be watching which BD discs? Oh and where are the release dates for Blu Ray in Norway? Might want to rethink that post pal[/QUOTE]

Actually, we could all watch HP in HD in 6 days (;

[bdraw]

This is very concerning to me, it wasn't that long ago that the studios annonced they would support both and now they are draggin their feet releasing titles.

The most concerning part isn't that Warner is delaying, but the fact that Paramount and Universal haven't even annonced a firm date yet. The article indicates that they believe it will be another 6 weeks before after the annoncment.

[Art Sonneborn]

So, can we buy a demo disc with the player ? :(

Art

[Tom Bley]

[QUOTE=Art Sonneborn]So, can we buy a demo disc with the player ? :(

Art[/QUOTE]

Yes, but it will be down rezzed over component.

[darinp2]

[QUOTE=Art Sonneborn]So, can we buy a demo disc with the player ? :( [/QUOTE]I'll be pretty happy if a player ships to me on the 28th, but pretty disappointed if all I have to play on it is the hybrid disk Microsoft was handing out at CES. I guess I should have asked if I could have a box of them and then put them on ebay. ;)

If the players ship and disks don't for a week or two then I think Toshiba will be partially to blame for not making a disk like, "The Beauty of Japan" and including it with each player. When a Toshiba rep told me last week that it wouldn't come with any demo disk I told him they better hope some movies ship on time.

--Darin

[Art Sonneborn]

[QUOTE=Tom Bley]Yes, but it will be down rezzed over component.[/QUOTE]


True ?

Art

[Art Sonneborn]

[QUOTE=darinp2]I'll be pretty happy if a player ships to me on the 28th, but pretty disappointed if all I have to play on it is the hybrid disk Microsoft was handing out at CES. I guess I should have asked if I could have a box of them and then put them on ebay. ;)

If the players ship and disks don't for a week or two then I think Toshiba will be partially to blame for not making a disk like, "The Beauty of Japan" and including it with each player. When a Toshiba rep told me last week that it wouldn't come with any demo disk I told him they better hope some movies ship on time.

--Darin[/QUOTE]

Yea, this is strange. :(

Art

[AriasCA]

Even if the advantage is smaller for HD-DVD with this delay, they still have the upperhand on BD with the price of the players. The inital cost of the player, is whats going to help win this format war.

[Issac Hunt]

If Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, et al feel threatened by the price of the Toshiba player won't they just cut their own prices? 10,000 units is hardly set to put the fear of God into any of the major CE manufacturers, now is it.

[Julie]

[QUOTE=Issac Hunt]If Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, et al feel threatened by the price of the Toshiba player won't they just cut their own prices? 10,000 units is hardly set to put the fear of God into any of the major CE manufacturers, now is it.[/QUOTE]

No because they can't afford to.

[PerHT]

[QUOTE=johnovox]Ok, so I have to wait two weeks and then I can watch Harry Potter 4 in HD, at which time you will be watching which BD discs? Oh and where are the release dates for Blu Ray in Norway? Might want to rethink that post pal[/QUOTE]

Well, fall at earliest, but I won't be betting my hard earned $$ on it. HD in Europe is lagging behind both Japan and US. On the good side, we won't be bothered with "restricted HD over component" issues.. Except for those with CRT projectors.

But you must agree with me that both Toshiba & perhaps also BDA are rushing formats to the market. That's why nothing is organised and you guys pay the price. We will have discs on the release date. But only BD has announced anything about Europe so... Guess Toshiba is aiming at you guys only..

Per

[nataraj]

[QUOTE=PerHT]But you must agree with me that both Toshiba & perhaps also BDA are rushing formats to the market. That's why nothing is organised and you guys pay the price. We will have discs on the release date. But only BD has announced anything about Europe so... Guess Toshiba is aiming at you guys only..[/QUOTE]

I hate to break this to you. Things are always rushed to the market. Engineering would rather have an enternity to get everything right ... but marketing wanted it launched last year. Unless there are deadlines, stuff like AACS will never be finalized (even interim).

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=nataraj]Things are always rushed to the market. [/QUOTE]

Is that the Microsoft motto? ;)

[Alan Sh]

[QUOTE=Grubert]Is that the Microsoft motto? ;)[/QUOTE]
Why did you make this post?

How does it relate to the topic?

Why are non-owners constantly making OT negative comments in this subforum drowning out info that owners need?

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=Alan Sh]Why did you make this post?

How does it relate to the topic?[/quote]

Microsoft is a leading member of the HD DVD side. So their launching background is relevant. Just as someone says Blu-ray will have horrible DRM because Sony BMG released CDs with a rootkit. Or when they say the PS3 will suck as a BD playback console because the PS2 sucked as a DVD player.

[nataraj]

[QUOTE=Grubert]Is that the Microsoft motto? [/QUOTE]

And which company do you work for ? They must specialize in trolling.

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=nataraj]And which company do you work for ? They must specialize in trolling.[/QUOTE]

One unrelated with CE, media or IT.

I seem to have struck a nerve, considering your own penchant for sarcasm. Of course, it doesn't feel the same when you're at its sharp end.

[Alan Sh]

[QUOTE=Grubert]Microsoft is a leading member of the HD DVD side. So their launching background is relevant. Just as someone says Blu-ray will have horrible DRM because Sony BMG released CDs with a rootkit. Or when they say the PS3 will suck as a BD playback console because the PS2 sucked as a DVD player.[/QUOTE]

As an someone who will shortly be receiving a player I want to know specific information if the titles from Warner, Universal and Paramount have been delayed.

What does your attack on Microsoft have to do with that?

Nothing.

You are trying to change the topic to your own agenda.

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=Alan Sh]As an someone who will shortly be receiving a player I want to know specific information if the titles from Warner, Universal and Paramount have been delayed.

What does your attack on Microsoft have to do with that?

Nothing.

You are trying to change the topic to your own agenda.[/QUOTE]

Look who first posted this information on the forum yesterday.

You are welcome.

[Issac Hunt]

[QUOTE=Julie]No because they can't afford to.[/QUOTE]
Yes, they can.

[QUOTE=Alan Sh]As an someone who will shortly be receiving a player I want to know specific information if the titles from Warner, Universal and Paramount have been delayed. [/QUOTE]
Sounds like you're a non-owner as well. When there's info feel sure it will be shouted to the rafters in multiple miss-labeled threads by whichever "side" think it best suits their format. You won't be left wondering.

[PeterS]

Just cancelled my HD-DVD player order based on this.

Without a FIRM commitment and coordinated strategy, this is extremely likely to fail (not that I give either format a real future at this point). However, it seems that the studios may be waking up to the fact that they do not want to support two formats either.

I could be wrong, but this latest move put me back on the fence.

[Scarpad]

[QUOTE=Ilka]http://www.homemediaretailing.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?article_id=8762

"The much-ballyhooed launch this month of the next-generation HD DVD format promises to be more of a whimper than a bang.

Warner Home Video, the only studio which in January had set a firm date, March 28, for its first HD DVD titles to arrive in stores, now says it may not be ready in time due to technical issues.

“To be honest, the outlook is tenuous — we’re still coming out with an initial slate, but we may be a week or two later; we just don’t know,” said division president Ron Sanders.

..."[/QUOTE]

The launch of Both HD DVD and Blue Ray is a disaster, I had originally ordered the Toshiba Player but have come to realize that anyone who places their Hard earned money with Either camp is foolish. My upconverting Player has made me happy enough with SD DVD that I can wait.

[Alan Sh]

[QUOTE=Grubert]Look who first posted this information on the forum yesterday.

You are welcome.[/QUOTE]
You did not answer my specific question.

How did that specific post inform me about titles being delayed.

It didn't.

[raidbuck]

[QUOTE=Clepto]Actually, we could all watch HP in HD in 6 days (;[/QUOTE]

Explanation please?

Thanks,

Rich N.

[Catdaddy67]

I know HBO carries Harry Potter in HD next month. :)

[rdjam]

"What a difference a day makes... and the difference is youuuu..."

Sorry, a song I like :) I would expect some teething problems on launch, so I'm hardly going to cancel based on a week's delay, or so.

I'm assuming that there were some last-minute changes to the content on the discs, or gearing up manaufacturing (we saw some hints on this last week, but they are probably doing a low-volume custom run from one of the disc-fab companies).

I'm pretty certain that we'll have software available at launch and more in the first two weeks.

Don't see a reason to panic, personally

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=rdjam]"What a difference a day makes... and the difference is youuuu..."

Sorry, a song I like :) I would expect some teething problems on launch, so I'm hardly going to cancel based on a week's delay, or so.

I'm assuming that there were some last-minute changes to the content on the discs, or gearing up manaufacturing (we saw some hints on this last week, but they are probably doing a low-volume custom run from one of the disc-fab companies).

I'm pretty certain that we'll have software available at launch and more in the first two weeks.

Don't see a reason to panic, personally[/QUOTE]

If I may refresh your memory, one of the two main reasons the spokesman for HD DVD gave during CES for choosing HD DVD over Blu-ray was that HD DVD had a firm March launch date, as opposed to summer for Blu-ray. Now we know both claims were untrue - HD DVD (considered as the hardware + software ensemble) may launch in April, and Blu-ray will launch in May (which is spring).

Imagine Mark Knox saying, "Yeah, HD DVD is better because it'll launch in early April, and Blu-ray in late May". :D

[rdjam]

[QUOTE=Grubert]If I may refresh your memory, one of the two main reasons the spokesman for HD DVD gave during CES for choosing HD DVD over Blu-ray was that HD DVD had a firm March launch date, as opposed to summer for Blu-ray. Now we know both claims were untrue - HD DVD (considered as the hardware + software ensemble) may launch in April, and Blu-ray will launch in May (which is spring).

Imagine Mark Knox saying, "Yeah, HD DVD is better because it'll launch in early April, and Blu-ray in late May". :D[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm.... I seem to recall that all we have heard on this post is that ONE studio has announced that they will be a week or two late. Other movies are still on track.

Furthermore the equipment is not delayed - so kind of makes your statement a bit iffy, particularly as the rest of it is based on BD pronouncements of deliveries over two months away.

ALSO - I didn't see too many people latch onto the announcement by Disney yesterday that they are looking at releasing on HD-DVD also.

I think this is very significant, myself...

Hmmm...

[rdjam]

Here's a quote from a story about it yesterday:

"Now it appears as though a Blu-ray backer may opt for a bit of neutrality as well. During the company's annual meeting with shareholders last week, Disney CEO Robert Iger said that HD DVD support is a real possibility. Saying that "we're very exited about next generation DVD formats," ....Iger admitted that the company "will probably publish in both formats." That is, Disney will likely release titles in both HD DVD and Blu-ray."

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=rdjam]Here's a quote from a story about it yesterday:

"Now it appears as though a Blu-ray backer may opt for a bit of neutrality as well. During the company's annual meeting with shareholders last week, Disney CEO Robert Iger said that HD DVD support is a real possibility. Saying that "we're very exited about next generation DVD formats," ....Iger admitted that the company "will probably publish in both formats." That is, Disney will likely release titles in both HD DVD and Blu-ray."[/QUOTE]

News from last Friday: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=654856

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=rdjam]Hmmmm.... I seem to recall that all we have heard on this post is that ONE studio has announced that they will be a week or two late. Other movies are still on track.
[/QUOTE]

From the rest of the article:

Warner
The President of Warner Home Video has said: “To be honest, the outlook is tenuous — we’re still coming out with an initial slate, but we may be a week or two later; we just don’t know”. They admit they still haven't set prices (that is, they say, why they stopped Walmart from selling the HD DVDs). Best Buy, too, reportedly had to pull Warner HD DVD titles from its weekly circular.

Paramount
Paramount Pictures Home Entertainment still has set no dates. And assuming the traditional six-week soliciation period, “I’d be surprised” if any Paramount HD DVD titles arrive in stores before mid-April, according to a studio source.

Universal
Universal Studios Home Entertainment hasn’t scheduled any firm release dates. “We’re just trying to set a date that makes sense,” said a studio source who asked not to be named. “It’s new technology and dates are going to move around a bit. And keep in mind, this is a very small launch.”

[JBlacklow]

[QUOTE=rdjam]Hmmmm.... I seem to recall that all we have heard on this post is that ONE studio has announced that they will be a week or two late. Other movies are still on track.[/QUOTE]The linked article quotes sources within Paramount and Universal as being unsure of releasing several weeks after the launch date, let alone on it.
Furthermore the equipment is not delayed - so kind of makes your statement a bit iffy, particularly as the rest of it is based on BD pronouncements of deliveries over two months away.Where's the RCA player announced at CES that's just a rebadge of the Toshiba? Where's the players from Sanyo and NEC? Sure they're making announcements for Blu-ray two months out, but at least we're hearing something from multiple hardware and software manufacturers, including prices.
ALSO - I didn't see too many people latch onto the announcement by Disney yesterday that they are looking at releasing on HD-DVD also.

I think this is very significant, myself...

Hmmm...It would have been significant if Iger had said they will release content soon with a marketing push, instead of saying they would probably release something eventually and that all of their market support and advertising is behind Blu-Ray.

[johnovox]

[QUOTE=n2blu]The point is that HD DVD fans have been touting the early launch of their format for quite awhile now and that advantage is even smaller with this news today. Instead of a 7 week advantage it's now 5 or 6, maybe less than that. That's nothing to brag about IMO.[/QUOTE]

No, the point is that why would people be happy about a delay in the release of either format, unless you have a vested financial interest in a particular format or are affiliated with a company that does. Otherwise, how can you be a "fan" of either format when to the general public, neither exists yet? These fanboys of boths formats are just a little pathetic.

I am looking forward to getting my HD-A1 on March 28th, even if I have to wait a week or two to see HD-DVD titles. I am just excited about watching hi-def discs. I would be picking up a BluRay player as well if it were released at the same time for a reasonable price. For now, I will be content with HD-DVD and pick up a P3 when its released. I could care less who wins the format war - by the end of the year I will hopefully have both plus an awesome next generation game console for less than $1,000.

[rlindo]

grubert,

dude you need to find a real life hobby or something. I have no clue how a guy can actually get enjoyment of going onto a forum and constantly getting into schoolgirl type discussions with people who like HD-DVD. Doesn't it get old and boring to constantly recite the same drivel over and over to them about something that really does not matter? Then again, I have no clue why the people on this forum even reply back to you since all it appears to do is feed your trolling.

WOW.

same goes for jblacklow.

you guys need some help...seriously.

It embarrasses me as a fellow human that I can't go to the bd or hd-dvd boards without seeing people get into hissy fits over something that is so sad to be arguing over.

Pretty sure nobody here gave birth or is marrying hd-dvd or blu-ray so how about people use some logic and maturity and quit the useless arguing over these two formats which most likely will fail since people in each camp are dropping the ball. Most people on these two forums should be classified as adults so how about they act like it instead of 5th graders. I mean really....the fanboyism and crap is pathetic.


As for the original topic...that's a shame because I know if I was buying a player on the release date I'd be somewhat peeved with no hd-dvd movies to watch on it. I'd like to hope the studios will have titles out by mid April for all the people who will be buying right away so they can get their enjoyment.

[Grubert]

Rob,

I don't think you have ever complained about nataraj. Or Escamillo. Or deadmeatGA.

[rdjam]

Hmmm... My girlfriend always changes the topic when a good point is made, also :)

The RCA player not being available yet has nothing to do with the point, really.

I'd also correct another false statement where you say "all of their (Disney) market (sic) support and advertising is behind BluRay". He said they "have been" supporting BluRay to date, but that ultimately they will likely support both.

I needn't take great pains to point out that he was addressing his shareholders - who would no doubt be interested to know why a possible revenue opportunity might be overlooked.

The article ended "If HD DVD sees a strong launch, more Blu-ray-only studios may ultimately show where their true allegiances lie: making money."

...which is what I have pointed out previously...

[rdjam]

Also, let's add the announcement from Saturday...

Following LG's lead, Fujitsu-Siemens has announced that it too will avoid taking sides in the Blu-ray/HD-DVD war, and will support both platforms. "We don't take a stand in that fight, and actually we're very sorry that fight is happening," a Fujitsu-Siemens exec told Reuters.

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=rdjam]I'd also correct another false statement where you say "all of their (Disney) market (sic) support and advertising is behind BluRay". He said they "have been" supporting BluRay to date, but that ultimately they will likely support both.
[/QUOTE]

Wrong. He did say:
But our support and marketing will be for Blu-ray and we’re optimistic that is the format that is going to prevail and there will be a number of titles made available in Blu-Ray later in Calendar year 06.

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=rdjam]Also, let's add the announcement from Friday...

Following LG's lead, Fujitsu-Siemens has announced that it too will avoid taking sides in the Blu-ray/HD-DVD war, and will support both platforms. "We don't take a stand in that fight, and actually we're very sorry that fight is happening," a Fujitsu-Siemens exec told Reuters.[/QUOTE]

Wrong again. They were neutral to begin with, as proves its being a member of the HD DVD Promotion Group as of March 1.

[rdjam]

[QUOTE=Grubert]Wrong again. They were neutral to begin with, as proves its being a member of the HD DVD Promotion Group as of March 1.[/QUOTE]

Is that March 1st, like last week sort of March 1st?

[HDTV-NUT]

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyid=2006-03-14T102607Z_01_N14311257_RTRUKOC_0_US-FILM-HDDVD.xml

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=rdjam]Is that March 1st, like last week sort of March 1st?[/QUOTE]

Yes. If they were neutral on March 1st, they couldn't have flip-flopped to neutrality on March 10th, now can they?

[rdjam]

Also, really must question the relevance of this sort of back and forth in the HD-DVD software thread...

[rdjam]

[QUOTE=Grubert]Yes. If they were neutral on March 1st, they couldn't have flip-flopped to neutrality on March 10th, now can they?[/QUOTE]

Your quote "neutral from the beginning" was misleading and I was merely allowing you the opportunity to highlight that by yourself - which you did admirably.

So the point still stands as per my post on it - whether they said anything 10 days before probably doesn't redefine the whole issue.

Again, I'm forced to question the relevance of your contributions to this thread - it'll be a long few weeks for all of us here if we have to keep wasting time with "trolls" going on and on... and on.... and...

[Grubert]

[QUOTE=rdjam]Also, really must question the relevance of this sort of back and forth in the HD-DVD software thread...[/QUOTE]

That's a bit rich considering it was you who brought that up (post #33).

[SurfingMatt27]

Just ignore him rdjam, there really is no point in arguing since he will always have to put in the last word.

[rdjam]

:)

[raidbuck]

[QUOTE=Catdaddy67]I know HBO carries Harry Potter in HD next month. :)[/QUOTE]

That's great, thanks, my wife is a big fan. The DVR will be in use for sure.

Rich N.

[PerHT]

At least HD-DVD guys are optimistic ;)

Btw Grubert I really enjoy reading your posts as I find many of them interesting and reflected so keep them coming. He's also taken the initative to gather information in threads like only a true enthusiast would.

There's a lot of emotion on this formatwar, and different opinions and ideas. Without different opinions and ideas it would be a boring chat..

Per

[darinp2]

[QUOTE=Catdaddy67]I know HBO carries Harry Potter in HD next month. :)[/QUOTE]Most likely 75% of it with the sides cut off and the middle blown up, increasing the size of the film grain and decreasing image quality.

--Darin

[Grubert]

takk :)

[Catdaddy67]

Its not OAR, but it does look much better than SD. I dont mind it at all. I have a few redcorded tapes, and it does look good on the Ruby, specially through my Vantage. :)

[Clepto]

[QUOTE=darinp2]Most likely 75% of it with the sides cut off and the middle blown up, increasing the size of the film grain and decreasing image quality.

--Darin[/QUOTE]

Heh, the pessimist in me seems them using the same encode for HD DVD... Warner owns HBO after all (;

[darinp2]

[QUOTE=Clepto]Heh, the pessimist in me seems them using the same encode for HD DVD... Warner owns HBO after all (;[/QUOTE]I'm glad Warner hasn't done this with DVD and don't expect it with HD-DVD or BluRay, at least for now. The 2.35:1 actually helps them give better image quality with the same bitrate also. I'll skip the HBO version and wait for one on disk with better image quality and better sound quality.

BTW: If you reverse the (; to a ";" and a ")" you will get the ;) that people will recognize easier.

[QUOTE=Catdaddy67]Its not OAR, but it does look much better than SD. I dont mind it at all. I have a few redcorded tapes, and it does look good on the Ruby, specially through my Vantage. :)[/QUOTE]With a projector as nice as the Ruby you should be able to see the improved image quality when this comes out on next gen disk.

--Darin

[Clepto]

[QUOTE=darinp2]\
BTW: If you reverse the (; to a ";" and a ")" you will get the ;) that people will recognize easier.

With a projector as nice as the Ruby you should be able to see the improved image quality when this comes out on next gen disk.
[/QUOTE]

Bah, all you people write your smileys backwards (:

Yeah, I think the best format for HD really is a projector, and while I obviously will enjoy improved PQ on my piddly 42", I'm doubtful that a really good DVD transfer will be that much more noticeable to me than an HD DVD. Makes it easy for me to hold off until I get my next display, as by then, there will either be a stalemate or a victor in the 'war' (;

[Catdaddy67]

With a projector as nice as the Ruby you should be able to see the improved image quality when this comes out on next gen disk.

--Darin

I agree. I am not too concerned over the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray outcome, though. I will buy both when they come out, and hope both will be successful. Personally, I am hoping for there to be more HD-DVD titles at launch, but in the event they come later than sooner .. HD cable and D-VHS will just have to hold us over til they do.

Im getting my HD-DVD player on March 28, if they are sold that day, and the day they launch the Blu-rays Ill get one of those, too.

[boo]

[QUOTE=Catdaddy67]I know HBO carries Harry Potter in HD next month.[/QUOTE]

But it is Harry Potter 3 they will be showing ( for the 100th time ), number 4 will not be on HBO till around Nov.06.

[QUOTE=darinp2]Most likely 75% of it with the sides cut off and the middle blown up, increasing the size of the film grain and decreasing image quality.[/QUOTE]

All the HP movies have been shot Open 35mm, so while you do get some of the sides cut off, you do get more info at the top and bottom of the film, that way you do not get 'decreasing image quality'.

I do prefer OAR, and I wish either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray gets there butts into gear so I can drop the premium movie channels, I hate the zoomed in look.

[Art Sonneborn]

[QUOTE=rdjam]Also, really must question the relevance of this sort of back and forth in the HD-DVD software thread...[/QUOTE]

I would question the relevance of this back and forth period ! :(

Art

[Catdaddy67]

But it is Harry Potter 3 they will be showing ( for the 100th time ), number 4 will not be on HBO till around Nov.06.


You are correct. My bad. I saw Harry Potter on the schedule and assumed it was the 4th, it is the 3rd one.

[Julie]

Yes, they can.

Then get back to me when one of the BR backers release a standalone BR player for $500...sorry PS3 doesn't cut it just like PS2 didn't cut it.

[quickfire]

Since this thread is a pissing fight.....I'm going to throw some info at you here on this thread.......OK ......:D If HD-DVD & Blu-Ray are to be succesful..they will have to do the following..........SELL THERE PRODUCTS AT WAL-MART!!!!!Heres another thing I thought of MAYBE there will be two fifferent versions of the same Movie...Lets say SPIDERMAN 3 for an example.....ok you have the chioce of the Movie only with some added extra bonus features with it THAT WILL OUTPUT the FULL resolution over COMPONENT& HDMI...and you have a choice of the the HOLY GRAIL..that outputs only over HDMI BUT has tons'& tons of extra features games .etc.That would entice alot of people to want to buy the HDMI TV as soon as possible....dont tyou think?

[bferr1]

Selling two versions of the same movie (ICT ON or ICT OFF) would confuse the hell out of most people, especially the average Walmart shopper. A lot of irate customers, a lot of players and movies returned to the retailer, a lot of people rediscovering the simplicity of SD DVD.

[Ken Ross]

[QUOTE=Grubert]If I may refresh your memory, one of the two main reasons the spokesman for HD DVD gave during CES for choosing HD DVD over Blu-ray was that HD DVD had a firm March launch date, as opposed to summer for Blu-ray. Now we know both claims were untrue - HD DVD (considered as the hardware + software ensemble) may launch in April, and Blu-ray will launch in May (which is spring).

Imagine Mark Knox saying, "Yeah, HD DVD is better because it'll launch in early April, and Blu-ray in late May". :D[/QUOTE]

You guys just don't give up...unreal. :rolleyes:

Why is it SO important to pollute threads on a product you have no intention to buy? Why is it SO important to knock this format every step of the way?

Utterly unreal....I haven't seen anything like this in the years I've been on AVS. If all areas of AVS were like this, I'd find another forum somewhere. You are just amazingly.

[SurfingMatt27]

i agree^^^

[Q of BanditZ]

[QUOTE=Ken Ross]You guys just don't give up...unreal. :rolleyes:

Why is it SO important to pollute threads on a product you have no intention to buy? Why is it SO important to knock this format every step of the way?

Utterly unreal....I haven't seen anything like this in the years I've been on AVS. If all areas of AVS were like this, I'd find another forum somewhere. You are just amazingly.[/QUOTE]

What did Grubert write that wasn't true? Can you directly refute anything that he wrote? If you can, then do so. That's far more constructive and satisfying for all involved. We'll all learn something at that rate.

Why so angry? Why so defensive? Why the crybaby routine all the time?



[QUOTE=SurfingMatt27]i agree^^^[/QUOTE]

I definitely miss CrocHunter.

[Ken Ross]

[QUOTE=Q of BanditZ]
Why so angry? Why so defensive? Why the crybaby routine all the time?[/QUOTE]

Why?
* Because it is UNCONSTRUCTIVE to do nothing but knock a format you have no interest in

* Because it is UNCONSTRUCTIVE to clog threads with nothing but hope for the demise of a new HD format

* Because it is UNCONSTRUCTIVE to make it difficult to impossible for people to try to find INFORMATION on HD DVD when you guys pollute these threads continually!

* Because it is UNCONSTRUCTIVE to post in the manner you guys post that is totally contrary to what AVS is all about and why AVS has garnered the great reputation it has. If guys like you ran AVS, this forum would be the laughing stock of the AV community.

Specifically to Grubert's post: "If I may refresh your memory, one of the two main reasons the spokesman for HD DVD gave during CES for choosing HD DVD over Blu-ray was that HD DVD had a firm March launch date, as opposed to summer for Blu-ray. Now we know both claims were untrue - HD DVD (considered as the hardware + software ensemble) may launch in April, and Blu-ray will launch in May (which is spring)."

Do YOU have information that none of us have that shows that HD DVD will indeed be delayed beyond March? Do YOU have firm proof (as Grubert states) that Blu-Ray "will" launch in May and HD DVD "may" launch in April. Notice the choice of "will" and "may" in regards to how they're applied to each format.

No Q, you do nothing, utterly nothing to constructively bring to the table information on HD DVD. Reviling in any downturn in the state of HD DVD is not IMO, bringing anything to the table.

Why am I angry? Becuase guys like you bring the quality of AVS down in to the gutter. Is that clear enough?

I will repeat, UNREAL! :rolleyes:

[Q of BanditZ]

[QUOTE=Ken Ross]Why?
* Because it is UNCONSTRUCTIVE to do nothing but knock a format you have no interest in

* Because it is UNCONSTRUCTIVE to clog threads with nothing but hope for the demise of a new HD format

* Because it is UNCONSTRUCTIVE to make it difficult to impossible for people trying to find INFORMATION on HD DVD when you guys pollute these threads continually!

* Because it is UNCONTRUCTIVE to post in the manner you guys post that is totally contrary to what AVS is all about and why AVS has garnered the great reputation it has. If guys like you ran AVS, this forum would be the laughing stock of the AV community.

Specifically to Grubert's post: "If I may refresh your memory, one of the two main reasons the spokesman for HD DVD gave during CES for choosing HD DVD over Blu-ray was that HD DVD had a firm March launch date, as opposed to summer for Blu-ray. Now we know both claims were untrue - HD DVD (considered as the hardware + software ensemble) may launch in April, and Blu-ray will launch in May (which is spring)."

Do YOU have information that none of us have that shows that HD DVD will indeed be delayed beyond March? Do YOU have firm proof (as Grubert states) that Blu-Ray "will" launch in May and HD DVD "may" launch in April. Notice the choice of "will" and "may" in regards to how they're applied to each format.

No Q, you do nothing, utterly nothing to constructively bring to the table information on HD DVD. Reviling in any downturn in the state of HD DVD is not IMO, bringing anything to the table.

I will repeat, UNREAL! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

You really need to stop taking the Internet so seriously. Go out and get some fresh air or something. Wow.

I'd hate to see you in real life is something important actually happened to you that wasn't good.

[Ken Ross]

Hey buddy, YOU asked, I TOLD.

[Alan Sh]

[QUOTE=Q of BanditZ]You really need to stop taking the Internet so seriously. Go out and get some fresh air or something. Wow.

I'd hate to see you in real life is something important actually happened to you that wasn't good.[/QUOTE]

Instead of responding to Ken's objections you attack Ken.

Why are you doing this?

[Clepto]

[QUOTE=Ken Ross]Why?
* Because it is UNCONSTRUCTIVE to do nothing but knock a format you have no interest in
:[/QUOTE]

Actually, I'd say you'd get the best CONSTRUCTIVE criticism from someone who has nothing to gain... Doesn't necessarily mean they're interested in BD either... But it might be good to get the perspective of the non 'fanboy'.

Some of the more interesting discussions have been spakred from the red vs blue teams... Of course, a whole slag of crap has been generated as well (;

[markrubin]

Good night folks :)

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