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I NEED to transfer recordings to my computer for storage, so I bought 2 belkin wireless routers, I use the Intel 2100 internal dsl modem.
The intel wont work with routers so I bought 2 cisco 678 cap modems and upgraded to the newest cap firmware 2.4.6. cap to use with my cap line.
I cant get either to train, so I call quest dsl service and after testing and more testing the tech finds out that I am in a CAP modem pool which wont work with the cisco.
The tech states that to use these modems I will have to change to DMT.
If I change to DMT my speeds will be set at 256/256 instead of the 640/272 I have now. I dont want to lose my speed.
I am sure that there are subscribers that use the cisco 678 on a cap line, but they wont change my line to anything but DMT.
My replayTv is full.
What are my options now?
BTW, I have used the search and I have not come up with anything that fits my problem.
Thanks for any ideas!
dstoffa
03-28-06, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=juddev]I NEED to transfer recordings to my computer for storage, so I bought 2 belkin wireless routers, I use the Intel 2100 internal dsl modem.
The intel wont work with routers so I bought 2 cisco 678 cap modems and upgraded to the newest cap firmware 2.4.6. cap to use with my cap line.
I cant get either to train, so I call quest dsl service and after testing and more testing the tech finds out that I am in a CAP modem pool which wont work with the cisco.
The tech states that to use these modems I will have to change to DMT.
If I change to DMT my speeds will be set at 256/256 instead of the 640/272 I have now. I dont want to lose my speed.
I am sure that there are subscribers that use the cisco 678 on a cap line, but they wont change my line to anything but DMT.
My replayTv is full.
What are my options now?
BTW, I have used the search and I have not come up with anything that fits my problem.
Thanks for any ideas![/QUOTE]
How about a Cross-over cable?
I don't see why you need to use rotuers to accomplish LAN transfers. Replays were designed for in-home sharing without the use of a router.
-Doug
I tried that yesterday and the computer (winXP pro) couldnt find the replay.
Any "how to" on doing this?
Thanks
dstoffa
03-28-06, 02:03 PM
[QUOTE=juddev]I tried that yesterday and the computer (winXP pro) couldnt find the replay.
Any "how to" on doing this?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Your PC will not "see" the Replay.
Here is what to do. I am assuming that you are using the modem for guide updates. The procedure will be different if you are using the ethernet ports for updates, but I don't see that based on what you are telling me.
1. Get a Crossover cable.
2. Install DVArchive on your PC.
3. Use crossover cable to connect Replay to PC.
4. Diable ALL FIREWALLS on your PC. (Since you are not connected to the internet anymore, this shouldn't be a risk.)
5. Change the IP address of the NIC that the network cable is connected to. Make it 192.168.0.2. Set the Subnet to 255.255.255.0. Don't need anything else.
6. Start DVArchive. DVArchive shoud autmatically FIND your Replay. (Click on the MESSAGES tab, and it will tell you the IP address of your Replay. The Replay assigns iteslf an IP address on 192.168.0.x when it isn't served one.
7. Use DVArchive to download your shows.
FYI, I used to use a Win98se P2-300 MHz machine and a crossover cable to download shows. No special hardware is required. The biggest stumbling block for me was I thought I needed the IP address of teh RTV to make this work. It was not the case. Your PC never sees the Replay until DVArchive is running.
They both have to be on the same "network" with a crossover cable to see one another--and only then through DVA. For example, if the private ip of the xp box is 192.168.0.100 and the replay is 192.168.1.100, they won't see each other.
Doing a simple search in this forum on crossover cable gave me this...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php?searchid=6206034
One of the posts from the search you linked hopefully will work for me.
Thank you for the info, I didnt think to search for crossover.
From the search:
Stop.
DO NOT change the settings of your RTV Unit. Here is what you need to do to connect a PC to a RTV Unit with an XO Cable.
DO NOTHING TO THE REPLAY UNIT. Changing the network settings on the RTV will cause it to try to use the XO cable to get network updates - you don't want that. You do all the mods on the PC side.
Start -> Sedttings -> Network Connections
Select the Card you will plug your XO cable into. Select the TCP-IP Properties.
Assign your PC the IP Address of 192.168.0.2
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
You don't need to worry about anything else (DNS, Gateway). Save your changes. Reboot.
Plug the XO cable into the RTV and the PC.
Start DVArchive. DVArchive will AUTOMATICALLY find your RTV Unit. This happens becuase Replays are designed to stream from one unit to another without a hub / switch. They assign themselves an IP address in the 192.168.0.X network if they are not served / assigned one.
It worked!
Thanks Everyone
Does it actually take longer to move these shows, then to watch them?
I am getting around 297 KB/s
dstoffa
03-28-06, 02:47 PM
[QUOTE=juddev]Does it actually take longer to move these shows, then to watch them?
I am getting around 297 KB/s[/QUOTE]
You can change the settings. I beleive DVA puts a ceiling of 300 kB/sec by default. You can bump this up. Check one of the settings tabs in DVA. If you bump this up, I suggest you turn OFF the Replay, and make sure it isn't scheduled to record anything while you are downloading shows.
In addition, make sure all of the PATHs (for downloading and the local guide) exist. What MAY happen if your Local_Guide path is invalid, is that DVA will download the show, and try to copy it into the Local Guide. Since it can't find the local guide, it coughs up the show, and you just wasted your time downloading. You should get NO error messages when you start DVA.
I received an email message showing a post you have edited, and noticed that you had PATH errors....
Can I assume you fixed the network card's IP address?
I changed the setting to 0, which works out to be 144 MB/s
This is still going to take me days to transfer just this season of deadwood!
dstoffa
03-28-06, 03:01 PM
[QUOTE=juddev]I changed the setting to 0, which works out to be 144 MB/s
This is still going to take me days to transfer just this season of deadwood![/QUOTE]
How much stuff are you moving? Are your shows all at highest quality?
When I offload my shows (standard quality), it ususally takes 20-25 minutes for a 1 hour show, and I have my limit set at 600...
I use the highest setting, most shows are 2.4 gig each.
the 200 gig drive in the replay is down to 6 hours left.
dstoffa
03-28-06, 03:25 PM
[QUOTE=juddev]I use the highest setting, most shows are 2.4 gig each.
the 200 gig drive in the replay is down to 6 hours left.[/QUOTE]
Overkill, in my opinion. You don't need that resolution, imho, unless you have a REALLY big TV. And then, meduim shoudl do fine.
FYI, the Bitrate of the MPEGs generated by HIGH MAY spike out of the DVD Spec range. MEDIUM is better if you plan to author DVD from Replay MPEGs. I use STANDARD files for authoring shows to DVD (It's good enough for me). On occasion I will used a MEDIUM MPEG for a good movie or something, but NEVER for TV Shows.
The reason I used the highest setting is so it would make good quality dvd's.
So you are saying to use the medium setting instead?
Will the deadwood episodes (high setting) burn to DVD ok?
dstoffa
03-28-06, 03:54 PM
[QUOTE=juddev]The reason I used the highest setting is so it would make good quality dvd's.
So you are saying to use the medium setting instead?
Will the deadwood episodes (high setting) burn to DVD ok?[/QUOTE]
High MAY be out of spec range. It may burn, but it is possible that some DVD players will barf up that DVD. Search for "DVD Authoring" on this forum to get other people's opinion. I think the best rule to follow is: "Use the lowest setting which looks good on your TV."
As it stands right now, you'd be lucky to get two one-hour shows on a DVD-5. I can get six or seven one-hour shows (sans commercials) on a DVD-5 when I use a STANDARD files.
Regardless, depending on the DVD Authoring software you used, your mpeg MAY be re-encoded. It will lose quality during that process.
I know TMPGENC DVD Author does NOT re-encode the mpeg. There are others that won't either. Again, search the forum.
I reset my replay to now record by default in medium.
I just wish that I had researched this before now.
Thanks
dstoffa
03-29-06, 07:41 AM
[QUOTE=juddev]I reset my replay to now record by default in medium.
I just wish that I had researched this before now.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Your shows will NOT be recording in MEDIUM, regardless what your Replay tells you. There is a bug in the software, which has not (and proabably will not) be fixed.
A Replay Channel (whether it be a theme channel or a repeated (dot, double-dot) channel will inherit the default QUALITY setting at time of creation. This cannot be changed. Changing what is displayed in "Change Recording Settings" does not change the QUALITY setting of said channel.
In order to change the QUALITY of a channel, you must delete the existing channel, change the DEFAULT recording quality to the desired quality, then re-create the channel.
[QUOTE=dstoffa]Your shows will NOT be recording in MEDIUM, regardless what your Replay tells you. There is a bug in the software, which has not (and proabably will not) be fixed.
A Replay Channel (whether it be a theme channel or a repeated (dot, double-dot) channel will inherit the default QUALITY setting at time of creation. This cannot be changed. Changing what is displayed in "Change Recording Settings" does not change the QUALITY setting of said channel.
In order to change the QUALITY of a channel, you must delete the existing channel, change the DEFAULT recording quality to the desired quality, then re-create the channel.[/QUOTE]
Really? Huh, never heard this before. Can you cite a source? I'd like to read about it.
dstoffa
03-29-06, 09:38 AM
[QUOTE=Creech]Really? Huh, never heard this before. Can you cite a source? I'd like to read about it.[/QUOTE]
I learned by trial, error, and testing. Then I searched on it. Here is one thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=503002&highlight=recording+quality
I assume you can find more.
djdementia
03-29-06, 10:56 AM
[QUOTE=dstoffa]Your shows will NOT be recording in MEDIUM, regardless what your Replay tells you. There is a bug in the software, which has not (and proabably will not) be fixed.
A Replay Channel (whether it be a theme channel or a repeated (dot, double-dot) channel will inherit the default QUALITY setting at time of creation. This cannot be changed. Changing what is displayed in "Change Recording Settings" does not change the QUALITY setting of said channel.
In order to change the QUALITY of a channel, you must delete the existing channel, change the DEFAULT recording quality to the desired quality, then re-create the channel.[/QUOTE]
That's not a bug, that's by design and therefore of course it won't be fixed it's working as intended. When you set the "default record settings" that is the "default for all future recordings that you setup" this will not change any recordings that are already setup. I think it would be extremely stupid if it changed all recordings that were already setup to record!
I record some of my stuff in medium and some in standard. I tend to record current well produced shows like CSI or Battlestar Gallactica in high, but I record older "rerun" shows in standard like Seinfeld or Everyone Loves Raymond. I would be pretty pissed off if I went and changed the default recording to medium and it changed all my Seinfeld & Raymond shows to medium!
The point of it is to change any future channels or themes you setup to record.
[QUOTE=djdementia]That's not a bug, that's by design and therefore of course it won't be fixed it's working as intended...
...The point of it is to change any future channels or themes you setup to record.[/QUOTE]I suspect the *bug* part is when you change your mind/change the option locally, and the Replay misleads. Reporting it will record the new quality when it won't.
Many may not notice unless the original global default was standard quality or they offload the show and notice the file size.
I would agree this will not likely be fixed. ;)
dstoffa
03-29-06, 11:34 AM
[QUOTE=KenL]I suspect the *bug* part is when you change your mind/change the option locally, and the Replay misleads. Reporting it will record the new quality when it won't. [/QUOTE]
Yes. That indeed is the bug part. A Replay Channel's QUALITY is determined at the time of its creation, and CANNOT be changed later (via the "Advanced Settings" button in the "Recording Options" for said channel) regardless what the Replay tells you it will record at.
If you have your GLOBAL DEFAULT set to STANDARD, you will only get STANDARD Quality shows, even if you change the settings for some channels.
The only exception to this rule is a MANUAL RECORD. Manual recordings are only created when you press DONE. Therefore, it never inherits the global properties of the particular unit. If you tell it MEDIUM, it will record MEDIUM, even if the global default is STANDARD. You still won't be able to change the quality (later) once the channel is made.
[QUOTE=KenL]I would agree this will not likely be fixed. ;)[/QUOTE]
1st Q '03.
djdementia
03-29-06, 02:43 PM
[QUOTE=dstoffa]Yes. That indeed is the bug part. A Replay Channel's QUALITY is determined at the time of its creation, and CANNOT be changed later (via the "Advanced Settings" button in the "Recording Options" for said channel) regardless what the Replay tells you it will record at.
If you have your GLOBAL DEFAULT set to STANDARD, you will only get STANDARD Quality shows, even if you change the settings for some channels.
The only exception to this rule is a MANUAL RECORD. Manual recordings are only created when you press DONE. Therefore, it never inherits the global properties of the particular unit. If you tell it MEDIUM, it will record MEDIUM, even if the global default is STANDARD. You still won't be able to change the quality (later) once the channel is made.
1st Q '03.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I didn't realize that. About 3 months ago I upgraded my 5040 to a 200Gb drive. I went and manually changed some of the shows from standard quality to medium at that time. I can't remember now which ones I changed which may have experienced this bug and which ones I setup after installing the new drive. Is there a way to tell? Will the show say "standard" still or will it report "medium" even though it's actually standard? What about if I view my show listing via dvarchive?
I find it odd because I noticed a huge difference in a very large percentage of my shows that I switched from Standard to Medium quality. The whole reason I did the upgrade in the first place was because I went from a 14" TV in my office to a 19" and the quality looked really terrible on the 19". Immediately I noticed a difference after the drive upgrade and switching the majority of my shows to medium.
In other words, I did exactly what you said and I did not experience the same results of the bug. Also, when I did this I had previously had everything stored in All Shows. With the increased capacity I started recording more and had the need to start categorizing my shows, so I made a buch of categories and moved shows around. Do you think that by changing the quality & moving the category at the same time that it's a work around for the bug?
dstoffa
03-29-06, 02:58 PM
[QUOTE=djdementia]Oh, I didn't realize that. About 3 months ago I upgraded my 5040 to a 200Gb drive. I went and manually changed some of the shows from standard quality to medium at that time. I can't remember now which ones I changed which may have experienced this bug and which ones I setup after installing the new drive. Is there a way to tell? Will the show say "standard" still or will it report "medium" even though it's actually standard? What about if I view my show listing via dvarchive?[/QUOTE]
The CHANNEL will read something like, "3 Episodes at Medium Quality." The Show itself (recordings made by the channel) will read, "1 hour recorded at Standard Quality". In addition, DVArchive will tell you the Quality of your show (and you can tell by the file size, too.)
Actually, now that I think of it, you can't really tell the quality of the program from the Replay Guide. You will need DVA to tell you the quality of the show. HOWEVER, you can witness this bug if you catch your Replay in the act of recording on the bastardized channel. This is how I first discovered the problem. If the CHANNEL reads, "3 Episodes at MQ" and the Channel is currently recording a show, you can scroll over to the Episode and the Gudie will tell you, "Currently recording at Standard Quality"
[QUOTE=djdementia]
I find it odd because I noticed a huge difference in a very large percentage of my shows that I switched from Standard to Medium quality. The whole reason I did the upgrade in the first place was because I went from a 14" TV in my office to a 19" and the quality looked really terrible on the 19". Immediately I noticed a difference after the drive upgrade and switching the majority of my shows to medium.
In other words, I did exactly what you said and I did not experience the same results of the bug. Also, when I did this I had previously had everything stored in All Shows. With the increased capacity I started recording more and had the need to start categorizing my shows, so I made a buch of categories and moved shows around. Do you think that by changing the quality & moving the category at the same time that it's a work around for the bug?[/QUOTE]
You upgraded the Hard Drive. If you simply moved your image, then whatever you had set before as the defualt recording quality will remain. I am unsure if the channels on your old disk will move over to the new one.... However, if you used a fresh image, I beleive HIGH Quality is the factory default, and you have to change that to something else. In addition, your Replay Guide would be empty. So you'd have to re-create all your channels. If you set the default to medium, re-created your shows, then made some of those channels standard, everything would still be recording at medium.
Bottom line is you can tell by comparing the CHANNEL description to the SHOW description. If you changed the RQ AFTER the channel was created, you will see the discrepancy.
djdementia
03-29-06, 04:23 PM
You upgraded the Hard Drive. If you simply moved your image, then whatever you had set before as the defualt recording quality will remain. I am unsure if the channels on your old disk will move over to the new one.... However, if you used a fresh image, I beleive HIGH Quality is the factory default, and you have to change that to something else. In addition, your Replay Guide would be empty. So you'd have to re-create all your channels. If you set the default to medium, re-created your shows, then made some of those channels standard, everything would still be recording at medium.
Bottom line is you can tell by comparing the CHANNEL description to the SHOW description. If you changed the RQ AFTER the channel was created, you will see the discrepancy.
I copied all my channels & shows, I didn't start fresh when I upgraded. I used the linux boot CD and ran the procedures to copy 1st partition, 2nd partition (shows), then patch. Also, all my recordings were still set at standard at this point I didn't change shows to medium until after the upgrade.
I just checked DV Archive and the majority of my shows that were supposed to be medium are in fact medium quality. There are 2 channels that are suspect, I can't remember what I had them setup to and unfortunately DV Archive doesn't appear to tell you what quality the channel was setup to record as (even if you look at channel properties). I'll have to check later when I'm at home (I remote control my home PC to do DV Archive).
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