New Pioneer sets on the way

[Influence]

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=16836

Besides the info on the 5000EX (50" 1080P panel, not sure if this is a Europe/Asia version of the FHD1 Elite), check out the last lines:

"Pioneer also announced that it will introduce two new plasma TVs. The 50-inch PDP-507HX and the 42-inch PDP-427HX plasma TVs will be available in early June, 2006 in Japan at a suggested retail price of 600,000 yen ($5,096) and 480,000 yen ($4,077) respectively."

What's interesting here is the mention of a new 42" set, not a 43." It makes me wonder if Pioneer is dumping their traditional 43" panel in favor of the industry standard 42." It's possible that they are trying to get better economy of scale going as well, by utilizing the 42" production facilities of the NEC plasma plants they bought out and condensing their product offering.

Of more importance to me though is the new 50." The model number makes it look like a 7th gen panel, so I wonder what the differences will entail.

[torch]

[QUOTE=Influence]
Of more importance to me though is the new 50." The model number makes it look like a 7th gen panel, so I wonder what the differences will entail.[/QUOTE]


I will speculate that they will have the required electronics to make them 1080P input capable.

[D-Nice]

Updated xx60/xx30 panels. No new ACE or Pure Cinema. HX signifies no MR. They will be 1080p capable, although the current 6Gs are suppose to be.

[yobob]

I wonder what the contrast ratio will be. Didn't see it listed.

[dark1x]

The PDP-5000EX looks incredible, but at 1,050,000円, we're back to the days when plasma first started showing up. :\

What's this about the DRE (dynamic range expander) mentioned? Naturally, they say it will improve the low end gradations, but I'm curious as to whether it will be able to deliver a darker black (in a low light environment). Just a gimmicky name or will we see significant increase in the reproduction of the dynamic range?

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=dark1x]The PDP-5000EX looks incredible, but at 1,050,000円, we're back to the days when plasma first started showing up. :\

What's this about the DRE (dynamic range expander) mentioned? Naturally, they say it will improve the low end gradations, but I'm curious as to whether it will be able to deliver a darker black (in a low light environment). Just a gimmicky name or will we see significant increase in the reproduction of the dynamic range?[/QUOTE]

DRE already exists in the current panels. It is designed to "enhance" details in dark colors and does a great job of doing that.

[redgtxdi]

I think it's safe to say that prices will be lowered before they even hit the stores.....(or the trucks for that matter).

Usually there's MSRP
Then rumored street.
Then real street.
Then 1st 30 days of sale street.
Add a coupon here or there & presto.........a sub $3K 42" new Pio!

Just my .02!

[MaliciousBraham]

Impress Japan Link - translated, with pictures!!!

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060419/pioneer2.htm

The announced prices are right in line with what is being sold now, so if there are no huge improvements, I wouldnt expect any price changes either.

They are apparently claiming increased color reproduction over the 6G panels (107% of ntsc standard), and the contrast is stated as 4000:1

The japan press release actually has some more info...
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?&u=http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release532-j.html

10% increase in contrast, new "bnr" block noise reduction, 1080p input, still 720p displays, no side mounted speakers, no seperate MR - everything is in the panel now.

[petp13]

looks like they lose the side mounted speakers and the media-receiver.
anyone else bummed about this?

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=petp13]looks like they lose the side mounted speakers and the media-receiver.
anyone else bummed about this?[/QUOTE]

disappointed to see them go but I knew it was coming down the pipe. Hopefully the Elites will keep these options.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=MaliciousBraham]Impress Japan Link - translated, with pictures!!!

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060419/pioneer2.htm

The announced prices are right in line with what is being sold now, so if there are no huge improvements, I wouldnt expect any price changes either.

They are apparently claiming increased color reproduction over the 6G panels (107% of ntsc standard), and the contrast is stated as 4000:1

The japan press release actually has some more info...
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?&u=http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release532-j.html

10% increase in contrast, new "bnr" block noise reduction, 1080p input, still 720p displays, no side mounted speakers, no seperate MR - everything is in the panel now.[/QUOTE]

I'm still getting my 1130s :D

[flyjar]

When can we expect these state side?

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=flyjar]When can we expect these state side?[/QUOTE]

Late summer early fall

[MaliciousBraham]

my guess would be october-ish they will actually get to stores for real, about the same time the 5060's and 1130's arrived last year.

The way I read the press release, they only state the 1080p model will be released worldwide in time for world cup. The 7G 720p sets are probably on the same old schedule as before, which would be October-ish.

[Elemental1]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]disappointed to see them go but I knew it was coming down the pipe. Hopefully the Elites will keep these options.[/QUOTE]

Well, the 1140HD is an Elite without MR so.....maybe it's a trend?

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Elemental1]Well, the 1140HD is an Elite without MR so.....maybe it's a trend?[/QUOTE]


I've seen no data stating that the Elites will not have a MR. If you have, please share.

[Elemental1]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]I've seen no data stating that the Elites will not have a MR. If you have, please share.[/QUOTE]

Somebody at Pioneer told me the 1140HD is a 1130HD sans MR. I have no idea if this is true. The 1140HD is not out yet, right? Have you heard of it?

[Auditor55]

yip pee!! more over priced Pioneer plasma sets on the way :(

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Elemental1]Somebody at Pioneer told me the 1140HD is a 1130HD sans MR. I have no idea if this is true. The 1140HD is not out yet, right? Have you heard of it?[/QUOTE]

If they get rid of the MR, they will reassign the model number....so it will not be called an 1140.


On another note, looking at the specs of the 5000EX I found this:

Improvement of discharge
speed The number of pixels of the full HD reaches approximately 2 times that of the XGA model, improvement of drawing speed becomes the indispensable element. By the effect of " high purity crystal layer ", it becomes with 0.7 mu S from former 2 mu, S approximately 3 times speeds up also the time when it is necessary for the entry of the result and 1 line which succeed in shortening the phenomenon which is called statistical lag of discharge to 1/100.


As predicted, Pioneer has been tinkering with the "crystal emissive layer". If those discharge comparisons are between a 6G and 7G Pioneer, the black levels and contrast ratio should be staggering.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Auditor55]yip pee!! more over priced Pioneer plasma sets on the way :([/QUOTE]

Pricing has not been made public for the USA. Will they cost more than a "Panasonic"...yes. Will it be a large margin....no (few hundred at the most).

[Elemental1]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]If they get rid of the MR, they will reassign the model number....so it will not be called an 1140.

[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the same person never even heard of the 1080p model coming out so I took that info with a large grain of salt :D

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Elemental1]Yeah, the same person never even heard of the 1080p model coming out so I took that info with a large grain of salt :D[/QUOTE]

Let me guess....Magnolia sales rep.

[Elemental1]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]Let me guess....Magnolia sales rep.[/QUOTE]

No, an employee at Pioneer. I mean what I say. ;)
I just now saw that mentioned in another thread, BTW.

[Sam1000]

I'm glad, I did not pull the trigger on NEC xr5 this week. But, the long wait starts now. I hope they release the 50" simulteneously in Japan and US. I was very surprized last week when Magnolia guy told me about the new upcoming models. I posted the question about the new models in the Pio thread but nobody knew about it.
Acoording to the Magnolia rep, the new models were suppose to be in the store around June/July timeframe. I'll be real happy if that happens.

[torch]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]
As predicted, Pioneer has been tinkering with the "crystal emissive layer". If those discharge comparisons are between a 6G and 7G Pioneer, the black levels and contrast ratio should be staggering.[/QUOTE]

I will guessulate that pioneer already has this glass in production in the NEC 42" display. ;)

[The Hornet]

Ok, I had to post a picture. Here is the PDP-427HX:

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/pdp/lineup/img/img_42.jpg

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/images/PDP-427HX.jpg

[Mike1117]

No word on the replacement for the 61" models - 6100HD/1410HD?

[DigsMovies]

[QUOTE=Elemental1]Well, the 1140HD is an Elite without MR so.....maybe it's a trend?[/QUOTE]


Check out the latest issue of "theperfectvision"- Looks like the new 50" Elite is the PRO-1300 HD. That's just off their website. I need to pick up the current issue. Really wish Pioneer would get just a bit more competitive with their pricing.

Edit: as pointed out, this is in fact a misprint on their website. The model reviewed is in fact the 1130.

[KenLand]

[QUOTE=Mike1117]No word on the replacement for the 61" models - 6100HD/1410HD?[/QUOTE]

That's what I want to know. 50" and smaller is err... small.

Ken

[plazman]

[QUOTE=The Hornet]Ok, I had to post a picture. Here is the PDP-427HX:

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/pdp/lineup/img/img_42.jpg

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/images/PDP-427HX.jpg[/QUOTE]
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Does the styling reming anyone of the 500U? The stand and silver frame around the bezel are also very NEC XR5-like.

I am assuming a price drop from the current models. My guess also is that Pio will price it at the same level as the 600U. Looking like that is where the royal plasma battle will be this summer :p

[pro_ac628]

[QUOTE=The Hornet]Ok, I had to post a picture. Here is the PDP-427HX:

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/pdp/lineup/img/img_42.jpg

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/images/PDP-427HX.jpg[/QUOTE]
Hey Hornet is this the new 42" pioneer coming out soon?Im wanting to buy a plasma but cant decide on the panasonic 42" 8huk or the NEC XR4,maybe I should wait for the the new pioneer? geno

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=DigsMovies]Check out the latest issue of "theperfectvision"- Looks like the new 50" Elite is the PRO-1300 HD. That's just off their website. I need to pick up the current issue. Really wish Pioneer would get just a bit more competitive with their pricing.[/QUOTE]


Nope....typo. They have a review for the 1130 in their latest mag.

[MaliciousBraham]

[QUOTE=DigsMovies]Check out the latest issue of "theperfectvision"- Looks like the new 50" Elite is the PRO-1300 HD. That's just off their website. I need to pick up the current issue. Really wish Pioneer would get just a bit more competitive with their pricing.[/QUOTE]

FYI, The Perfect Vision is available for pdf download free at AVguide . com. Registration is required, but free.

There is no Pioneer plasma mentioned in the May/June Issue.

There was an Elite 1130 Review, and a darn good one, in the previous issue.

[plazman]

[QUOTE=DigsMovies]Check out the latest issue of "theperfectvision"- Looks like the new 50" Elite is the PRO-1300 HD. That's just off their website. I need to pick up the current issue. Really wish Pioneer would get just a bit more competitive with their pricing.[/QUOTE]
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There is in fact a competitively priced Pioneer available today. Just search for Pioneer PDP42A3HD

It's priced at or lower than the current Panasonics. This model from what I can tell does away with the MR. I am assuming it would use the same Pioneer glass and processor....

[DigsMovies]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]Nope....typo. They have a review for the 1130 in their latest mag.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info! I saw that on their website and was hoping it was news on a replacement for the 1130. Does anyone know if models like the 1130 or 5060 will be replaced in 2006? Any details?

[R Harkness]

Wow. Imagine a new Pioneer 50" 1080p model with increased contrast. If so, no wonder it made such great impressions at CES.

[dukmahsik]

man that 50" set is to drool for!

[Influence]

is said 1365 horizontal on the Japanese page. Which means that this particular panel is NOT based on the current 6G Pioneer designed panel, but the 50" NEC designed panel. Maybe these won't be coming to the states.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Influence]is said 1365 horizontal on the Japanese page. Which means that this particular panel is NOT based on the current 6G Pioneer designed panel, but the 50" NEC designed panel. Maybe these won't be coming to the states.[/QUOTE]


Nope, just means that Pioneer is finally merging NEC with its main lines. This was bound to happen.

[rmb1035]

[QUOTE=MaliciousBraham]Impress Japan Link - translated, with pictures!!!

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060419/pioneer2.htm

The announced prices are right in line with what is being sold now, so if there are no huge improvements, I wouldnt expect any price changes either.

They are apparently claiming increased color reproduction over the 6G panels (107% of ntsc standard), and the contrast is stated as 4000:1

The japan press release actually has some more info...
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?&u=http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release532-j.html

10% increase in contrast, new "bnr" block noise reduction, 1080p input, still 720p displays, no side mounted speakers, no seperate MR - everything is in the panel now.[/QUOTE]
"the reality it actualizes the image beauty which overflows"

:D

[tony17]

Wow, these seem to be the first true Pio/NEC 50" collaboration. I'm pretty excited to see the results!!!!!

[tdavis21484]

I'm hearing June on this. What are you folks hearing? (From reliable sources. Read: not me.)

[Elemental1]

They better get their pricing in line with reality soon even if these nexgen sets are the best on the market.

[shane55]

[QUOTE=plazman]-------------

There is in fact a competitively priced Pioneer available today. Just search for Pioneer PDP42A3HD

It's priced at or lower than the current Panasonics. This model from what I can tell does away with the MR. I am assuming it would use the same Pioneer glass and processor....[/QUOTE]


I just noticed this...
I'd seriously advise people to stay away from this panel. I picked one up from Costco on Friday. To me it's useless as I am not a sports-only viewer. I actually watch movies and dramas and other programming that has shadows.... which this POS can not handle.

If all one watches is well-lit sports or talk shows, this is the panel for you. But if you are a cinephile or someone who watches CSI, Sopranos or any other show that may have a scene that is not 100% brightly lit... fuggetaboudit.

Medium, glowing grey is the best this thing can call 'black'. No shadow details at all. It's difficult to watch. :(

shane

[torch]

Now back to our regular pioneer programming :cool: .

[tdavis21484]

The response I got from Pioneer, querying about the 7G sets: (I also posted this in the other thread)

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.

We do not have this information available just yet. I would suggest viewing the "Press Room" on the Pioneer website under Company overview, here you will find the latest information and news on new Pioneer product and models.


Thank You,

Lance
Customer Service Representative

[Elemental1]

[QUOTE=tdavis21484]The response I got from Pioneer, querying about the 7G sets: (I also posted this in the other thread)

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.

We do not have this information available just yet. I would suggest viewing the "Press Room" on the Pioneer website under Company overview, here you will find the latest information and news on new Pioneer product and models.


Thank You,

Lance
Customer Service Representative[/QUOTE]

Translation: Sorry, but we can't even supply our older models so forget about these vaporware parts that we are mentioning due to the competition that is mopping the floor with us. :D

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Elemental1]Translation: Sorry, but we can't even supply our older models so forget about these vaporware parts that we are mentioning due to the competition that is mopping the floor with us. :D[/QUOTE]


ANYONE who has a CLUE as to how plasmas are released KNOWS that they are released in Japan FIRST. You will see the 7G Pioneers in stores late August/early September in the states.

Just because you as happy with your PX500u doesn't earn you the right to bash another product. Stop acting like a little bitch.

I'm happy that Panasonic is the industry leader as far as plasma sales are concerned....but guess what, they are not the only plasmas out there.

It's very funny how you've bashed Pioneer for their prices today, but think it is "ok" for Fujitsu to charge an even higher premium than Pioneer.

So sorry you can't "justify" the price of a Pioneer.

It just means you couldn't afford it anyway....IMO.

[essogas]

^^ I don't think they will arrive in late summer as you suggest because all the stores now are unable to get 5060 models. Pioneer has stopped making them already which would suggest the new models are just around the corner. Stores are without Pioneer inventory now, there's no way Pioneer would go 1/2 year with no sales.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=essogas]^^ I don't think they will arrive in late summer as you suggest because all the stores now are unable to get 5060 models. Pioneer has stopped making them already which would suggest the new models are just around the corner. Stores are without Pioneer inventory now, there's no way Pioneer would go 1/2 year with no sales.[/QUOTE]

There are stores in my area that have them in stock. One even said that they have another shipment coming in next week.

[tdavis21484]

[QUOTE=essogas]^^ I don't think they will arrive in late summer as you suggest because all the stores now are unable to get 5060 models. Pioneer has stopped making them already which would suggest the new models are just around the corner. Stores are without Pioneer inventory now, there's no way Pioneer would go 1/2 year with no sales.[/QUOTE]

^^^
This is what I'm banking on...my connections at BB/Magnolia have said the 50" standard PureVision, and both the 43" and 50" Elites are impossible for them to get right now, and have been for awhile. As a matter of fact, months and months ago, right before I stepped down at BB/Mag, I helped re set a display to put Philips, LG, and Samsung plasma sets at eye level, because at that point, suppliers from those companies were the only ones who were telling BB that they could guarantee consistent quantities into the warehouse...Panasonic (their problems are well documented), Toshiba (then using Panasonic glass), and Pioneer, could not.

I figure this problem at Pioneer came from retooling to use the NEC lines instead of the traditional Pioneer lines for the new sets. Perhaps they're more efficient, or better in some way than the Pioneers. In that Forbes article, it mentions two lines are shut down. Perhaps those are the old Pioneer lines? That, in my mind, would explain the supply gap, as well as the hurry to get the 7Gs to market less than a year after the 6Gs. All speculation here, to be clear.

The trickle of 50" sets that remains in some areas probably results from Pioneer strictly regulating the remaining sets they have in inventory through rationing the allocations. It would be really bad if they simply didn't supply any sets for two months...this looks better to the consumer.

[Elemental1]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]ANYONE who has a CLUE as to how plasmas are released KNOWS that they are released in Japan FIRST. You will see the 7G Pioneers in stores late August/early September in the states.

It just means you couldn't afford it anyway....IMO.[/QUOTE]

LOL...in denial AND defensive today, aren't we. ;)
Well...I did almost get an 1130HD but after checking out the SD, I felt it was not worth the wait or the extra money (yes, I could afford it ;) ) over the 500u. It is a nice set, no question about that.
Anyway, I did not justify Fujitsu's pricing. I haven't even seen one yet.
Pioneer is no niche product maker like Fujitsu is and since they can barely take on a mass market PDP maker like Panasonic in PQ, I doubt they are in Fujitsu's league when it comes to PDP's.

[D-Nice]

[QUOTE=Elemental1]LOL...in denial AND defensive today, aren't we. ;)
Well...I did almost get an 1130HD but after checking out the SD, I felt it was not worth the wait or the extra money (yes, I could afford it ;) ) over the 500u. It is a nice set, no question about that.
Anyway, I did not justify Fujitsu's pricing. I haven't even seen one yet.
Pioneer is no niche product maker like Fujitsu is and since they can barely take on a mass market PDP maker like Panasonic in PQ, I doubt they are in Fujitsu's league when it comes to PDP's.[/QUOTE]


Denial and defense of what? Are you suggesting that I'm defending Pioneer?

FACT: I currently do not own ANY TV at the time.
FACT: I will be purchasing 4 plasmas in the next 2 weeks.
FACT: At least 2 of those plasmas will be Panasonic.
FACT: Pioneers render far better SD pictures than Panasonic (especially stretch modes). I suggest you use the wonderful search feature of this forum to validate that.

As far as your other lame ass comments/excuses/whatever they are comments....ignorance is bliss in your reality.

[yobob]

Cool your jets guys, or the Mod is gonna close this one.

[Elemental1]

[QUOTE=D-Nice]Denial and defense of what? Are you suggesting that I'm defending Pioneer?

FACT: I currently do not own ANY TV at the time.
FACT: I will be purchasing 4 plasmas in the next 2 weeks.
FACT: At least 2 of those plasmas will be Panasonic.
FACT: Pioneers render far better SD pictures than Panasonic (especially stretch modes). I suggest you use the wonderful search feature of this forum to validate that.

As far as your other lame ass comments/excuses/whatever they are comments....ignorance is bliss in you reality.[/QUOTE]

It seems you are in a bliss of your own about Pioneer's delivery abilities. :D
Anyway, I look forward to your side by side observations of the sets you will be getting. I still think you are also in a blissful state about SD PQ on the Pioneer. ;)

Edit: Grammar

[agogley]

Let's get back to the topic of this thread...the new Pioneers. We can debate PQ between brands in another thread.

[MaliciousBraham]

[QUOTE=tdavis21484]^^^
This is what I'm banking on...my connections at BB/Magnolia have said the 50" standard PureVision, and both the 43" and 50" Elites are impossible for them to get right now, and have been for awhile. As a matter of fact, months and months ago, right before I stepped down at BB/Mag, I helped re set a display to put Philips, LG, and Samsung plasma sets at eye level, because at that point, suppliers from those companies were the only ones who were telling BB that they could guarantee consistent quantities into the warehouse...Panasonic (their problems are well documented), Toshiba (then using Panasonic glass), and Pioneer, could not.

I figure this problem at Pioneer came from retooling to use the NEC lines instead of the traditional Pioneer lines for the new sets. Perhaps they're more efficient, or better in some way than the Pioneers. In that Forbes article, it mentions two lines are shut down. Perhaps those are the old Pioneer lines? That, in my mind, would explain the supply gap, as well as the hurry to get the 7Gs to market less than a year after the 6Gs. All speculation here, to be clear.

The trickle of 50" sets that remains in some areas probably results from Pioneer strictly regulating the remaining sets they have in inventory through rationing the allocations. It would be really bad if they simply didn't supply any sets for two months...this looks better to the consumer.[/QUOTE]


Just an FYI, if you know Pioneer's past (I have been a lifelong Pioneer guy, as my father was before me ;)), then you know they have never considered themselves a mass market brand historically, hence the pricing some people think is so whacked out. They only really started the mass market stuff when they got into the car audio buisiness, and it kind of emboldened the other divisions of the company. It bit the home audio/video business in the butt though. Simple as that.

The restructuring, as has been stated in the company PR's, is to get them back to that non-mass market stance like old times in the home audio/video area.

The success of Pioneer in the past is that they were non-mass-market with mass market appeal. They bought into the hype themselves a little bit and tried to go mass market with the NEC purchase and it bit them. I think you'll see them scale back business to the RPTV style times, at least for a year or so until they are profitable again across the home audio/video segment, then if they dont sell some manufacturing lines will ramp back up with a more mainstream product.

Just a guess and I could be totally wrong on the predictions. But in the past they were not mass-market oriented. They were enthusiast oriented with dumbed down versions for the mass market to cover bottom line.

[Elemental1]

[QUOTE=agogley]Let's get back to the topic of this thread...the new Pioneers. We can debate PQ between brands in another thread.[/QUOTE]

Since we are discussing the new Pioneers, we are on topic. Your attempt to moderate this thread is not needed.
Next! :D

[pddr1]

what i want to know is how pioneer thinks it is able to put out 1080p in only 50 inch size and hope to compete. in my view, they need a 55 or 58 and something in a 60 or 65 inch range. IMO pioneer is the best in terms of PQ, now they need to expand their product range. i and many others are more than willing to spend the money on superior panels if we can go into the stores and find the sizes we want. i can't wait for the 50 inch 1080p, but my room could really use a 55 or 58.

[cajieboy]

Because the 50"ers will be the most popular size displays. Larger sizes will follow.

[agogley]

I would also think that the 50" would be the most popular models. The bigger models are just too expensive for most people.

[tdavis21484]

[QUOTE=agogley]The bigger models are just too expensive for most people.[/QUOTE]

Of course, so are Pioneers in general...

[cajieboy]

[QUOTE=tdavis21484]Of course, so are Pioneers in general...[/QUOTE]

So are Fujitsu's, Runco's, Bang & Olufsen's...the list goes on.

[tdavis21484]

[QUOTE=cajieboy]So are Fujitsu's, Runco's, Bang & Olufsen's...the list goes on.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but I definitely find Pioneer to be a much better bang for the buck than those you listed :)

[Elemental1]

[QUOTE=tdavis21484]Yeah, but I definitely find Pioneer to be a much better bang for the buck than those you listed :)[/QUOTE]

Hey, that's what I say about Panasonic. :D

[allanjay]

5060 or 5070?

Want the best but love the media box...what should I do?

[ssmobin]

I picked up an 1130 ~2 weeks ago and am loving it. They are still available ;)
[QUOTE=tdavis21484]^^^
This is what I'm banking on...my connections at BB/Magnolia have said the 50" standard PureVision, and both the 43" and 50" Elites are impossible for them to get right now, and have been for awhile. As a matter of fact, months and months ago, right before I stepped down at BB/Mag, I helped re set a display to put Philips, LG, and Samsung plasma sets at eye level, because at that point, suppliers from those companies were the only ones who were telling BB that they could guarantee consistent quantities into the warehouse...Panasonic (their problems are well documented), Toshiba (then using Panasonic glass), and Pioneer, could not.

I figure this problem at Pioneer came from retooling to use the NEC lines instead of the traditional Pioneer lines for the new sets. Perhaps they're more efficient, or better in some way than the Pioneers. In that Forbes article, it mentions two lines are shut down. Perhaps those are the old Pioneer lines? That, in my mind, would explain the supply gap, as well as the hurry to get the 7Gs to market less than a year after the 6Gs. All speculation here, to be clear.

The trickle of 50" sets that remains in some areas probably results from Pioneer strictly regulating the remaining sets they have in inventory through rationing the allocations. It would be really bad if they simply didn't supply any sets for two months...this looks better to the consumer.[/QUOTE]

[ssmobin]

I was debating about the 1130 versus waiting for the new 50" Elite to come out, but the fact that the new Elite most likely will not have a MR made me go with the 1130. Plus I dont know how much the new 50" Elite will be or when it will be available, so it was a no brainer for me. Good luck with your purchase.
[QUOTE=allanjay]5060 or 5070?

Want the best but love the media box...what should I do?[/QUOTE]

[plasmalvr]

[QUOTE=ssmobin]I was debating about the 1130 versus waiting for the new 50" Elite to come out, but the fact that the new Elite most likely will not have a MR made me go with the 1130. Plus I dont know how much the new 50" Elite will be or when it will be available, so it was a no brainer for me. Good luck with your purchase.[/QUOTE]

Pioneer 1080P plasma has a retail price of $9000.

[kosh2258]

[QUOTE=plasmalvr]Pioneer 1080P plasma has a retail price of $9000.[/QUOTE]

Only the Elite Pro FHD1 monitor has a MSRP of $10k, but the Elite Pro 940/1140/1540 HD will all be considerably less than that. The non-monitor Elites are 768p displays.

[malbrec100]

...on the 1140 or when it is being released?

[kosh2258]

[QUOTE=malbrec100]...on the 1140 or when it is being released?[/QUOTE]

Mid-late August - early September. There should be information from Pioneer available shortly.