These new models feature the latest tube technology called the quintrix sr super high resolution tube. This tube uses a new super shadow grill mask- to produce a super fine pitch. A new super electron gun, super pigments, new deflection yoke, shorter tube neck, a new tinted black glass. This tube produces incredible lifelike images. also, a new super video processing called Acuity, developed to deliver about 2300 pixels per line, not even the sony xbr 910 or 960 can achieve such many pixel pe line. a new super digital scanning 100MHz along with 10bit color processing. This television is capable in delivering stunning video performance, lifelike colors and details

Have you ever considered being a brochure. You have the gift of talking like one. Sounds nice though.

That's all well and good, but do these new Panasonics input or display 720p?

Where did this press release originate? Where are the specs?

Whats the physical dot-pitch specification on that new CRT?

I count at least 8 'supers' in that post. Me thinks he is being a bit sarcastic.

Related latest news :

http://www.panasonic.com/MECA/press...TPDA_032204.pdf

http://www.twice.com/article/CA4051...y=Breaking+News

Panasonic 2004 CRT TV line-up :
http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_e...=12&cont_id=587

p.s. : It seems additional integrated ATSC/CableCard/HDMI model, CT-34WXD64 (not listed in the press) is added to the new 2004 line-up.

This cant be true, Sony is the only one that is allowed to use the word Superfine.

It says 1080 lines of horizontal resolution the current sonly xbr does 1401. At least it beats the old xbr800 go Panny

Am I understanding the press release right? Are they suggesting that the new 2004 direct-view Panasonic HDTVs are capable of resolving the full 1080i resolution? By this I mean, 1920x1080i. If this is true, this actually would one-up Sony's XBR910/960. It would be nice to see Panasonic make such a breakthrough.

1401 number of Sony super fine pitch Trinitron CRT is slit count. I think the 1080 number of the Panasonic press is TVL/PH. It is different concept.

For TVL/PH, see http://jkor.com/peter/tvlines.html

It clearly says 1080 lines of horizontal resolution which is not a full 1080i picture. The old Sampo 34 had about 1000 lines and the older Sonys (read as xbr800) had 850. This is a nice jump but still not current 34xbr levels plus it is shadowmask I like the wire grille

Excuse me, but do you think Sony 1401 number is the lines of horizontal resolution?
1401 is just slit count.

Check also the following for the lines of horizontal resolution.

http://www.home-theater-faq.com/wha..._resolution.htm

- What is meant by lines of resolution? -

Lines of horizontal resolution are often confused with scan lines. The two are totally different things, be careful when shopping for equipment. Lines of horizontal resolution refers to visually resolvable vertical lines per picture height. In other words, it's measured by counting the number of vertical black and white lines that can be distinguished an area that is as wide as the picture is high. Lines of horizontal resolution applies both to television displays and to signal formats such as that produced by a DVD player. Since DVD has 720 horizontal pixels (on both NTSC and PAL discs), the horizontal resolution can be calculated by dividing 720 by 1.33 (for a 4:3 aspect ratio) to get 540 lines. On a 1.78 (16:9) display, you get 405 lines. In practice, most DVD players provide about 500 lines instead of 540 because of filtering and low-quality digital-to-analog converters. VHS has about 230 (172 widescreen) lines, broadcast TV has about 330 (248 widescreen), and laserdisc has about 425 (318 widescreen). Scan lines, on the other hand, measure resolution along the y axis. DVD produces 480 scan lines of active picture for NTSC and 576 for PAL. The NTSC standard has 525 total scan lines, but only 480 to 483 or so are visible. (The extra lines are black and are encoded with other information). Since all video formats (VHS, LD, broadcast, etc.) have the same number of scan lines, it's the horizontal resolution that makes the big difference in picture quality.

True Pixel Count
"Lines of resolution" may ultimately be replaced by a true pixel count when referring to resolution in the future (especially in all-digital systems). In the future, as digital technology becomes much more uniform across manufacturers, the main difference in overall resolution of future video system will be more or less directly related to true pixel count. So this provides a simpler, more definite point of comparison, and therefore might make more sense that using the older "lines of resolution" method. However, "lines of resolution" will remain a technically more accurate measurement, as it takes the whole system into account.

Here's the quote: This seems to refer to the # of scanlines (ie max vertical resolution) as opposed to the horizontal resolution. I don't see any mention of the horizontal dot/line resolution in the links provided.

I could be wrong, but I think the reason they're making such a big deal out of the 1080i is that it's their first US plant to mfr such high-scan widescreen TV tubes. An interesting development.

Check also the attached presentation materials. I just found it from a Panasonic EU web site.

1. New Shadow Mask Configuration

2. Acuity Line Structure

(Number of pixels are doubled on each line to 2376.)

It's just marketing material, but interesting.

Is that 2376 RGB clusters, or are they counting all the individual red, green and blue dots?

Most mfrs count the clusters for the horizontal rez, since it takes all three colors to produce white.

Being a videophile myself, I can say that this is awesome news. The problem is that I have no money, and I won't be able to purchase one of these new Pannys anytime in the foreseeable future.

Yeah, I also think the 2376 number is all the individual dot count, but its data and photo are from European conference (Cebit 2003) about one year ago and the CRT presentation material is for EU market.

Julio388, could you give us your source of the 2300 pixels?

The 1080 number in the latest Panasonic US press doesn't seem to refer to scan lines IMO.
(See also this chart : http://www.cedmagazine.com/ced/gifs/9808d3.gif)

And also I think the new US CRT for HDTV has more total cluster count than the EU at least.

The best in picture performance

Next generation television is here...as well as the Quintrix SR tube, our most advanced cathode ray tube sets feature the Acuity Core, our all new Digital technology that takes picture quality to the next level.

SUPERIOR PICTURE RESOLUTION

Panasonic’s EISA award winning PD30 series and the new PX30 model delivers the ultimate in CRT TV picture quality. Not only does it take advantage of our unique Acuity Core technology, it also benefits from Improved Motion Compensation which enhances picture quality even further.

QUINTRIX SR

With the newer QuintrixSR (Super Resolution) tubes, we’ve enhanced key component technologies to give you picture performance that is simply staggering.

NEW SHADOW MASK CONFIGURATION

We have developed a new and different shaped Shadow Mask which now has fine-pitch meshing. The new fine-pitch mask has less material and therefore allows more beam current to easily pass through it with low energy loss. It means greater brightness without any side effects. Picture resolution and detail levels are also dramatically enhanced. By using smaller phosphor dots on our screen faceplates and a new shaped electron gun we can create image details that are almost as fine as a computer monitor.

BETTER BLACKS, HIGHER CONTRAST

The use of a black-tinted glass greatly improves black reproduction. This delivers deep, rich blacks while maintaining high brightness. The resulting images have exceptionally high contrast.

SUPER OLF ELECTRON GUN

Our LOLF guns have evolved into Super OLF. They now fire at a smaller diameter on the screen which means finer detail can be more readily pinpointed. You’ll also notice greater accuracy, especially at screen corners. What’s more, a high efficiency Deflection Yoke makes it possible to narrow the neck of the electron gun, reducing reflection and helping to save energy.

VIRTUALLY NO PICTURE NOISE

With Quintrix SR, you can say goodbye to the sawtooth and jagged edge effects often seen when someone wearing a checked jacket appears on TV. When switched to progressive mode, QuintrixSR dramatically reduces these picture distortions.

ACUITY LINE STRUCTURE

Most TVs offer picture resolution of 625 lines with 1024 pixels per line and resolution of 833 horizontal lines with more than 2376 pixels per line - over double that of a standard TV. Vertical line resolution is also improved by a third when compared to a non-Acuity set.

NEW 3D COMB FILTER

With Acuity, you can even see higher resolution still images accurately on your TV. That’s due to the NEW 3D Comb Filter which reduces the moiré effect you sometimes get when watching a picture that contains fine lines or patterns.

EXCEPTIONALLY SMOOTH IMAGES

The Acuity Core brings other advantages. Standard 100Hz systems often create judder or blurring during fast motion scenes. In the PD30 Series, the advanced Motion Compensation reduces this. This spells the end for flicker and also means the pictures you see are smooth, natural and supremely sharp.

LOOK SHARPER

A smoother, cleaner, sharper, smarter picture with no flicker, judder or blur. You might call that perfection. We’ve called it Acuity. And when you marry Acuity with Quintrix SR, the result is as perfect as the picture. BETTER BLACKS, HIGHER CONTRAST The use of a black-tinted glass greatly improves black reproduction. This delivers deep, rich blacks while maintaining high brightness. The resulting images have exceptionally high contrast.

Julio,

We appreciate your info but lets keep it in a single thread.
Three threads is foolish.

Craig

i can't wait until May when the 34 inch is released. I think its great they are incorporating this new technology which sounds like it will be comparable to the sony XBR's and at a retail price of 1399. Tough to beat at that price. It will be interesting to see what people have to say once these new sets are unveiled.

Im actually waiting for the sony xbr 960. The panny may come close to the pq of the sony, but it does not include 2 important optiond the sony does:

1.) No hdtv tuner- This is not 100 percent needed, but if you dont have hdtv cable yet (which I dont) or dont have a dish, you would have to buy a tuner. Those go for 400-700 dollars a piece or rent one when you get cable for 10 dollars a piece...

2.) No card- With this nifty device, no more need of a cable box!!!! Oh yea!


3.) You cant go around to all your friends and say "I HAVE A SONY XBR"


Msrp sony xbr: 2200
Msrp Panny: 1399

worth the extra 800 dollars. I say yes!

I guess you didn't see what was posted earlier in the thread:

Yes,,,, But that is not for their hdtv widescreen tv sets....its for the 4:3 who wants a 4:3 anymore? especially for 1799 msrp....

Jamison -
yes, that is for their widescreen set. note it is the CT-34WXD64 - a 34" widescreen set that has been added. So panny and sony will both be offering 34" 16:9 sets with ATSC tuners.

No price has been announced but there is $400 premium for this functionality on the 36" sets - so $1799 MSRP is probably a good guess.

Check cdmn2004 post on the first page. Go to the link that says and scroll to the bottom:

Panasonic 2004 CRT TV line-up


You will notice that only the model CT-34WXD64 has the card and the hdtv tuner. It is clearly a 4:3 Hdtv set for 1799 (not a guess btw). Maybe Panny will include those features in their widescreen sets in 2005 or 2006??? These features are the sign of the future and without them, your tv will be outdated faster.

My bet for the Number 1 widescreen HDTV is the Sony XBR 34" 960 coming out in June. But that is my opinion.

4:3 integrated set is CT-36HLD64.
Check out this site : http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_e...=12&cont_id=587

CT-34WXD64 you mentioned is 16:9 integrated set additionally included in the 2004 line-up.

See this thread -> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...threadid=386966
* CT-34WXD64 Google search :
http://store.hdtvtime.com/ct-34wxd64.html and http://pac-2000.com/ct-34wxd64.html

So, total number of 2004 Panny integrated ATSC/CableCARD/HDMI CRT model will be two.
16:9 34 inch and 4:3 36 inch.

P.S. And as julio388 showed, the 2376 number is from EU CRT. EISA award.