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Panasonic Canada has just added the DMR-ES10 to their website indicating that stock of the new model line is starting to dribble into North America.

It's interesting how the layout has carefully played down the inclusion of the "+" format. A non-specific "multi-format" statement, plus a graphic that requires a telescope to properly see what they are defining as multi-format:

http://www.panasonic.ca/english/audi...vd/dmres10.asp
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According to the multi-format graphic

Recordable Formats
DVD-RAM (VR mode)
DVD-R (Video mode)
DVD-RW (Video mode)
DVD+R

Playback Formats
DVD-RW (VR mode)
DVD+RW
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....It's interesting how the layout has carefully played down the inclusion of the "+" format. A non-specific "multi-format" statement, plus a graphic that requires a telescope to properly see what they are defining as multi-format:
Indeed. You need a frickin' microscope to see the letters. What are they, about three Ã…ngstroms wide? They're so small they make a proton look like a beach ball. :rolleyes:
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that unit is currently being sold at my local Best Buy for $188.00. It is tempting me to return my e55 I just purchased at Costco in favor of th es10 for its ablility to record on multiple types of discs plus its suppose to deliver 500 lines of rez. in lp mode.
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Does the unti have a hard drive? I see the manufacturers suggested retail is 399.00.. shivaji, you saw it at best buy for 188.00??
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I just picked one up at Best Buy for $188 today. I'm still trying to figure it out and that's part of the reason I registered at this site. It has a bunch of options and I'm still getting used to it. Definately worth the money.
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Does it have a hard drive? For that price I assume it doesn't?
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Does it have a hard drive? For that price I assume it doesn't?
No, it doesn't.
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Thanks Darrell.
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For those who have indicated an aversion to silver components, it looks like Panasonic is offering a choice on this model. It's also nice to see that they've reinstated direct access to FR mode on the remote:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-NKCaZfz...display=XL#Tab
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According to that it can only play and record DVD-RAM and DVD-R. Is that just an error made by Crutchfield or is a different model? There is a K on the end.
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K on the end means BLACK.
S on the end means SILVER.

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According to that it can only play and record DVD-RAM and DVD-R. Is that just an error made by Crutchfield or is a different model? There is a K on the end.
"K" is Panasonic's code for black finish. You are correct that Crutchfield's specs are incorrect. If you look at the front panel in the picture, you'll see it states format support for "DVD-RAM/DVD-R/DVD-RW/+R".
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$188 and $199 !!!

For a new and improved model listing at $399.

I wonder why they are selling at such a low price??
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$188 and $199 !!!
For a new and improved model listing at $399.
I wonder why they are selling at such a low price??
Well, 2005 was predicted as "The Year of the DVD Recorder" as far as mass acceptance. Welcome to the era of cutthroat pricing and the fear of competition from Far East knockoffs.
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Well, 2005 was predicted as "The Year of the DVD Recorder" as far as mass acceptance. Welcome to the era of cutthroat pricing and the fear of competition from Far East knockoffs
Well, so far, I like it.

I suppose it would be a good strategy to reel in as many entry level consumers to Panasonic brand loyalty, and then upgrade them to more advanced units with hard drives etc. down the road.
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Well, so far, I like it.
Yea, me too :D
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Umm... Panasonic's CES 2005 press release in January lists MSRP for the DMR-ES10 at $249.95 U.S. so $199.99 street sounds about right. BestBuy.com has it on sale right now but lists it as "coming soon."
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Is that MSRP $399 in Canadian dollars?

Wow $399 CAD is $328 USD. The USD has taken a real dump (and IMHO has a long way to fall still).
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I had picked up an E55 from Best Buy that I was very happy with
when I read about the new ES10. I also saw that the website lists
it as "coming soon". I went there on my lunch hour, and saw a demo
model on display. I asked if they had any, and sure enough, they had
about 6, but they hadn't put them out yet. It turns out they all got
some in, but weren't putting them out until they dumped the last of
their E55's (which were reduced to $235). Not only that, but the ES10
was on sale for $189! I picked one up and I'll be giving it a quick A/B
comparison with the E55.
The fact that it now writes to -rw and +r doesn't really matter to me,
as I prefer to use the ram discs, which I transfer to my pc for editing.
My only concern is that I only have 3 days left to return my E55 if I
decide to keep the ES10 and I'm hoping there are no major bugs in
it, being an early release.
Has anyone had a chance to play around with one of these yet? I'd
be curious to read your opinions.
One thing I like better already. It comes with a dvd-ram disc. Something
they didn't do with the older model. Sometimes it's the little things.
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I just got it yesterday and I've played around with it a little bit. The recording quality is great and the functionality is superb. Very easy to navigate through all the menu functions.

Since this is my first DVD Recorder, I have nothing to compare it to but I think you'll be just as happy if not happier with the ES10.

I'm curious to see what you post for a review.
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Hello,

Glad I discovered this forum. I just returned from my local Best Buy where I purchased the Panasonic on sale for only $179.99.

The sales person tried to sell me an 4 year extended warranty for $70. He stated that DVD recorders build up more heat than just a DVD player. Should I have purchased the warranty? This is my first DVD recorder and I know it will be getting daily use. It will be replacing an old VCR that never required any service.

Thank you
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At nearly 40% of the purchase price, the warranty extension 3 years past the manufacturer's warranty is hardly worth it. The state of the technology is such that if the thing dies more than a year from now (which is unlikely, the heat issue is baloney, especially for a non-hard-drive based DVD recorder) you will likely want to just purchase whatever is available at that time which will probably be a high definition blu-ray recorder or equivalent. If you were plunking down $500 or more for something more fragile (say an LCD TV, then that might be a different matter).

The Future ain't what it used to be...
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Don't forget also that when you buy an item with many of the gold credit cards, they will double the manufacturers warranty. If panasonic for instance warrants the product for a year, the credit card company will extend it to two years. The extended warranties the stores sell are ripoffs for suckers.
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People mentioned earlier in the thread that the suggested MSRP for the ES10 was $399, but is selling for $189 at Best Buy(up until Saturday night 3/26/05. Then it goes to it's regular price of $199 on Sunday).

This sounds like to me people are getting the ES10 confused with the ES30 which is the VCR/DVD Recorder Combo. That sounds like more of the price of that unit and that people are getting are confused.

The current E75 is being closed out on Open box sales for between $309-$329.

Anyone know when these other new units are supposed to arrive(the ES30 and the E100[one with the HDD, not sure about the model #]) and then guess how much they will retail for.

It also seems surprising that BB has their stock in and are out selling it while CC has nothing.
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People mentioned earlier in the thread that the suggested MSRP for the ES10 was $399...
This sounds like to me people are getting the ES10 confused with the ES30 which is the VCR/DVD Recorder Combo.
No, because some people may not have realized that the link was to Panasonic Canada. The Canadian list price is $399 (CAN). The U.S. list price is supposed to be $249 (U.S)...whenever Panasonic US decides to put it up on their website.
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So does anyone have a solid opinion on this unit(the E10)?

I am considering the Panny E10 for around $203 total at BB before Sunday. Is it worth it? Is the new LP recording level a GREAT improvement over the older model(E55 and other models)?

Is it worth getting and spending more(about $35 more) than on the Pioneer 225-S(i believe this is the same as the 220-S at WalMart, just a different model # for BB units) which will come to about $167 total(up until Sunday.)

This unit is going to be mainly archive VHS recordings(from a 4 head Hi-Fi Panny via analog cable to the composite input on the DVD recorder). Are the Panny models better at this than the Pioneers? Will this matter at all, considering we are talking about analog sources here(but I thought I read somewhere that the Panny units "handle" VHS dubs BETTER than the Pioneers, with less no jitter, and are easier to record commercial tapes as well)?

Is the new technology worth it on the E10, or just get the cheaper model Pioneer because the new technology is not that different than the old(this is where i am wondering about this "new" LP recording level).

Both have FR modes, right? I know the Panny does, but not about the Pioneer(the 220 does so I am guessing the 225 does also.)
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From what I've heard, the Pioneer units have very poor video quality compared to the Panasonic. Like I said before, this is my first DVD recorder and I have nothing to compare it to, but I love it.
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Hello,

Glad I discovered this forum. I just returned from my local Best Buy where I purchased the Panasonic on sale for only $179.99.

The sales person tried to sell me an 4 year extended warranty for $70. He stated that DVD recorders build up more heat than just a DVD player. Should I have purchased the warranty? This is my first DVD recorder and I know it will be getting daily use. It will be replacing an old VCR that never required any service.

Thank you
MJW
You don't need an extended warranty. I have had Panasonic Recorders (DMR-E30/E50/E55) for nearly 3 years with daily use without any problems. I sold the E30 last year but I've still got the E50 & E55. As long as you clean the disc reading laser every 6 months all should be OK. Panasonic Recorders have got an unmatched reputation for reliability.

I've just bought the ES10 here in England (UK) for £199.89 at the current exchange rate thats $373.79.

This is a very stylish recorder.. The quality of recordings in the LP mode is almost as good as the SP mode, plus you get 4 hour recording time vs 2 hours for the SP mode. The SP mode should still be used for recordings of 2 hours or less, as the higher bit rate gives it an advantage where there are many fast moving scenes. There is also the FR mode which automatically adjusts the bit rate to match set recording times.
On playback of pre-recorded DVDs, the image reproduction is more faithful with more natural hues & outstanding depth. The new 12 bit D/A converter has made this recorder an excellent recording & playback machine.

Response times have been improved allround.

I have verified the 1 second quick start: with a DVD-RAM disc in the machine, if you press the power on button & immediately press the record button, recording starts instantly (within 1 second)

Press the Program/Check button from power off state and the timer recording page displays within 3 second.

Press play button from power off & playback begins within 8 seconds.

Place a pre-recorded DVD video disc in the tray, press the open/close button & playback begins within 12 seconds.

Overall, I'm very impressed by the ES10, I only wish I could have bought it for $179.99. At those cheap US prices, these machines are excellent value.
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