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post #1 of 35 Old 05-24-2005, 08:53 PM - Thread Starter
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well i pulled the trigger today and bought a new hdd dvr from circuit city.

before i get flamed for paying regular retail for anything, I must say that normally i buy electronics over the 'net, but with something as touchy as a hd dvd recorder i decided it would be best to have the safety net of a large retailer to handle any possible problems with it. (besides, i wanted it NOW)

so, i am new to this forum but i have read a few of the posts here while i was deciding on which unit to buy. panasonic was the value choice and once i heard that the new units would support dvd rw my decision was made. i have been playing with it all afternoon and i must say that i am fairly impressed with the quality... even at the 4 hr mode it looks pretty good. i think that i will use a higher setting for anything i want to preserve, but for general recording it will work just fine. one thing i will say for others new to this... always record at the quality setting that you are going to burn the dvd in. you can then use the hi speed option which is much, much faster!

i guess i do have one question about the 'guide. right now the machine is off and i am waiting for it to download... is there anything that will show me when it has started, or finished downloading? when i set it up i put in the guide info, but then went and had the tuner find the channels since i wanted to play. i got a message saying that this might interfear wiith the guide... is there anything i should do before letting the guide download, like clearing the channels? (i did not see this option)

another question would be about dvd ram. i just bought a nice sony dl dvd burner for my pc, but of course it does not support ram. are there any cheap dvd ram burners for pc that i should look into? it might be nice to do some editing on the pc once in awhile. so far i am really amazed at how the dvd ram acts like a mini hard drive. something i have never looked into before...

so if anyone wants to give me some general advice on media, settings etc or anything specific to panasonic recorders feel free to post! also since this is a pretty new recorder i will be happy to answer any questions you might have about the eh50 :)


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Welcome to the forum, lafester. :)

I know you have much to read, and I hope you have much to write about your new EH50. Good luck with it!
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thanks!

i know many people have said that the panasonics are hard to figure out, but so far i have not had any problems. the menus are a little weird, but nothing major. obviously they are not too concerned about having things in proper english both onscreen and in the instructions which is fairly strange but not really a problem. really the only thing i don't like about it is the cheap remote. for $450 i would think that a nice sturdy remote would be included. you cant even do a simple channel toggle on this remote... unless i haven't found it yet. it doesn't have a very wide range either...

after many attempts at finding a good way to link a pc to tv for recording i decided that this would be the way to go for both performance and ease of use and so far i am happy with this decision. now i need to find a good way to link the eh50 to the pc and i think the best way is with dvd ram.

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I would recommend a panny dvd burner. There was an outfit [chiefvalue.com] selling the latest non-cart drive [SW-9585C] for around $50 [no software] -- but I don't know if a price that good can still be found. And sadly, the cart version [SW-9573C] is about $180 -- although I would still recommend it over the non cart version. The disks last so many read-write cycles, it's nice to keep them as clean and scratch-free as possible.
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I made a -RAM with an E85 and I have a Pioneer 109 DVD drive that reads -RAM. I get "Incorrect function" when I try to look at it with FileMgr or do a DIR on that drive. DvdXSoftware folks said they do not intend to do anything with -RAM, so I do not have any idea what software to use with -RAM's made using a Panny. Any suggestions?

This is one readon I'm interested in the EH50. It also does -RW. So, I can get from DVD Rec to PC.

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well from reading other posts it looks like it is possible to to edit ram on a pc, but i do not know the specifics from memory. i thought ram would be best since you can edit "on disc" so to speak and not transfer data back and forth on the computer.

i will be trying dvd-rw since i am aready compatable with that format for now. i will post results after i test.

i have one thing to note on the eh-50 that has not been brought up yet (that i know of).
i was reading last night that e100 and e80 users were not happy that the e85/95 would not let you manually record with a daily/weekly option. i can say that the eh50 does have this option but i have not had the unit long enough to test for reliability.

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one more question on tv guide...

of course it did not download last night and i got an error message saying it failed to find any tvguide information. anything i should try or should i just keep waiting? i know this service is pretty weak and i am happy just recording manually, but obviously i would like to have the tv guide option working if possible.

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I bought a Panasonic ES-10 last hour from Circuit City myself (5 free DVD RAM disks on rebate too, nice).
Anyway, because I will use the RAM Disks to some extent, I did order a LG Multiformat DVD drive from Newegg today to go into my Dell PC. It's a "Deal of the Day" and runs $52.99 with free shipping.
This internal DVD drive does the following for write:
WRITE Speed
DVD+R 16X
DVD+RW 4X
DVD-R 16X
DVD-RW 4X
CD-R 40X
CD-RW 24X
DVD+R DL 4X
DVD-RAM 5X

Heck of a drive (dual layer no less) for just over $50 delivered. So , out with the DVD reader I have and in with this which will join the dual layer burner in there now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136049
if you're interested.
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yeah i get the 5 free rams also. not too bad!

thanks for the link! that looks like a pretty good deal, and it even has a black front cover...

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Look around newegg then. I looked for black to match the Dell. There may be one in beige.
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i did look around and saw some beige bezels, but i was saying that i like the black one... sorry if it did not come out right in the post and thanks again for the link~

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i have one thing to note on the eh-50 that has not been brought up yet (that i know of).
i was reading last night that e100 and e80 users were not happy that the e85/95 would not let you manually record with a daily/weekly option. i can say that the eh50 does have this option but i have not had the unit long enough to test for reliability.
lafester,

Both the E500 and the E95 allow for both weekly and daily (M-F) manual timer recordings (I don't know about the E100 or the E85). I think what others were complaining about was the lack of a 7-day (Sun-Sat) daily manual recording setting. There is no difference that I can see between the E95, E500 and the EH50.

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so I do not have any idea what software to use with -RAM's made using a Panny. Any suggestions?
DVD-RAM discs are actually recorded as UDF 2.01 format in VR mode, so you need a UDF file reader utility in order to see the files recorded in VR mode if your current OS is not Windows XP SP2 yet. You can search on the net to find such a reader utility.

Also, I really don't see the need, for most people, for a PC buner with DVD-RAM writing feature since DVD-RAM has very limited playback compatibility anyway. Instead, DVD-RAM reading capability is more important so people can transfer files from DVD-RAM to HDD for editing and re-authoring, and then record the edited files in Video mode on more compatible DVD-R/RW media.
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lafester,

Both the E500 and the E95 allow for both weekly and daily (M-F) manual timer recordings (I don't know about the E100 or the E85). I think what others were complaining about was the lack of a 7-day (Sun-Sat) daily manual recording setting. There is no difference that I can see between the E95, E500 and the EH50.

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thanks, and you are correct. i can't find the thread now, but i swear that they were saying the the e95 could not even do a weekly manual setting. but it was late and maybe i read it wrong.

too bad about the daily setting! what's up with no 7 day option??

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DVD-RAM discs are actually recorded as UDF 2.01 format in VR mode, so you need a UDF file reader utility in order to see the files recorded in VR mode if your current OS is not Windows XP SP2 yet. You can search on the net to find such a reader utility.

Also, I really don't see the need, for most people, for a PC buner with DVD-RAM writing feature since DVD-RAM has very limited playback compatibility anyway. Instead, DVD-RAM reading capability is more important so people can transfer files from DVD-RAM to HDD for editing and re-authoring, and then record the edited files in Video mode on more compatible DVD-R/RW media.
well, time will tell what (if anything) i will actually need to edit or store on the computer. i can at this point simply use dvd-rw to do what you are saying... my thought is that since ram is so easily edited i could swap back and forth between the computer and the eh-50 with ram much easier then dvd-rw since you can edit "on disk" so to speak.

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too bad about the daily setting! what's up with no 7 day option??
I was just looking at the E100 manual (available on the Panasonic web site) and it appears that it allows for more flexible daily manual recording. According to the manual, you can record either Sun-Sat, Mon-Sat. or Mon-Fri. (what, no Sun-Fri? :D )

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I may be wrong, but I don't think you can "edit on disc" for ram or any disc. There was/is a technology called Mt. Ranier, which allows you to use a disc as a hard drive (delete and add things to it), but it never really got popular. Also, my understanding is, and I may be wrong, that if you create a ram disc on your PC, you may not be able to high speed dub it back to the standalone hard drive. The disc as to be created on a standalone. I think you would be better off just doing it on a dvd-rw.
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No offense bnbhoha, but the above post is wrong on ALL counts regarding ability to edit-on-disc/create-on-PC/and high speed transfer back to recorder HDD a PC recorded (VR mode) DVD-RAM disc. I do it all the time using various software (DVD Movie Album, B's recorder, TMPG DVD Author, and some Ulead products) some of which was provided with my PC's Panasonic DVD-RAM multidrive. Granted not all software can do this and it must be done in VR mode.

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No offense bnbhoha, but the above post is wrong on ALL counts regarding ability to edit-on-disc/create-on-PC/and high speed transfer back to recorder HDD a PC recorded (VR mode) DVD-RAM disc. I do it all the time using various software (DVD Movie Album, B's recorder, TMPG DVD Author, and some Ulead products) some of which was provided with my PC's Panasonic DVD-RAM multidrive. Granted not all software can do this and it must be done in VR mode.

thanks!

thats what i thought, but like i said i am new to the whole dvd-ram thing.
now i just need to justify buying another dvd burner and more software that will support it.
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I bougt it 2 days ago, and tried to download the TV guide last night, but it didn't work.
Did you find out why it doesn't work?
My cable box is Adelphia. Is that why???
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one more question on tv guide...

of course it did not download last night and i got an error message saying it failed to find any tvguide information. anything i should try or should i just keep waiting? i know this service is pretty weak and i am happy just recording manually, but obviously i would like to have the tv guide option working if possible.

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one more question on tv guide...

of course it did not download last night and i got an error message saying it failed to find any tvguide information. anything i should try or should i just keep waiting? i know this service is pretty weak and i am happy just recording manually, but obviously i would like to have the tv guide option working if possible.

thanks, chris
The unit must be left off for 24 hours-or more, before the data shows up-no timer recordings, no turning it on the peek... Are you still having problems getting it?
If so, use the zip code that your cable company is located in, if it's different from the one for your neighborhood.

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Also, I really don't see the need, for most people, for a PC buner with DVD-RAM writing feature since DVD-RAM has very limited playback compatibility anyway. Instead, DVD-RAM reading capability is more important so people can transfer files from DVD-RAM to HDD for editing and re-authoring, and then record the edited files in Video mode on more compatible DVD-R/RW media.
Does this imply there is a way to play RAM discs without a dvd ram burner?
I need a new computer and have been looking at ones with dvd burners to augment my E85, and have been pricing dvd ram drives that could be added to it-the pc.

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Does this imply there is a way to play RAM discs without a dvd ram burner?
Any PC drives which can read DVD-RAM discs plus a software compatible with VR mode such as Power DVD should satisfy your needs. Currently the Pioneer DVD burner (DVR-A09/109) or DVD-ROM drives made by LG, Samsung, or Toshiba all could read DVD-RAM media.

The price of the LG Super-Multi burner has dropped to the level with other PC burners and it has the fastest (5X) DVD-RAM read speed compared to other PC drives, although it also has this potential problem to render the RAM media useless on the Panasonic recorder after reading the recorded media.

Pioneer, NEC, and BenQ have announced DVD-RAM writing support on their future burners, so there'll be more choices of RAM-compatible drives in the near future.
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^^Thanks. I had no idea that dvd-rom drive would read a RAM disc. I've been checking out the Dell website, and several of their pcs with dvd burners, offer seperate dvd-rom drive as an option.

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The unit must be left off for 24 hours-or more, before the data shows up-no timer recordings, no turning it on the peek... Are you still having problems getting it?
If so, use the zip code that your cable company is located in, if it's different from the one for your neighborhood.
I got it!!! I think it was connection. I was not using IN3 connection, instead I was using 1 pin connection. It is working great! Thanks.
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Can the EH-50 be set to start recording at a certain time? I have D* so the TV Guide is useless to me, but if I leave my STB set on the channel I want to record, can I set the EH50 to record at a given time?
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^^I don't have the E50, but you can manually program the E85 to record, so it's more than likely that the E50 can also.
You have to set it to record from the line input, when using a cable box, with as ypou mention, the box set to the channel you wish to record from.

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Can the EH-50 be set to start recording at a certain time? I have D* so the TV Guide is useless to me, but if I leave my STB set on the channel I want to record, can I set the EH50 to record at a given time?
I record stuff from my DirecTV receiver every day. I have an S-Video out from the receiver into the L1 input of the EH50. I program the reciver to "watch" a program. You then enter the same information into the manual program of the EH50 specifying L1 as the source, and you are all set.

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The unit must be left off for 24 hours-or more, before the data shows up-no timer recordings, no turning it on the peek... Are you still having problems getting it?
If so, use the zip code that your cable company is located in, if it's different from the one for your neighborhood.
It took mine three or four days before it got the guide information. in fact, for two days it said the TVguide data had failed, then on the third day, in the afternoon I checked and it had all the channel information, but no program information. The next day, it had program information.

Lafester, give it some time.

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I purchased a DMR-EH50 the beginning of this week and after several days of trying have been unsuccessful getting any TV Guide information. Has changing to the zip code of the cable company (if different from your home zip) been a successful fix to this issue?
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